Theory: Weyland-Yutani are run by Robots, Synthetics pursuing the Xenomorph for means of evolution!

Wow!

That's exactly the way I would have liked to have articulated my original topic! 

*Tips Hat*

Haha I definitely got that vibe from your topic. Though this touches more on Weyland-Yutani while yours focuses on the grander picture. I'm sure we're close to on the right track haha

What a twist in the whole Alien saga it would be if, not only we, but also the characters of the story became aware that they were in the presence of gods in the making and they had been all along. They had a hand in creating their own demise.

I would appreciate it if you guys would stop coming up with good ideas.

@ Chris

Peter Weyland would be very proud of you !

This seems entirely plausible and may well be played into the third theme of A. C.

- Weyland Yutani and the Covenant.

What rational sentiment human being would want to try and harness the Zenomorph as the company clearly wanted to in A L I E N. A rational robot hierarchy that had nothing to fear from the zenomorph , that wanted to use the Bio Weapon to take control of the remaining sentient population and enslave them.

How does the company know of the Zenomorph's existence - from the events in A L I E N Covenant. Thats the kind of threading that does not have to be cumbersome but reverse engineers with some neat detail and explains more of the narrative in A L I E N and A L I E N S. 

So when the hierarchy funds the Covenant Expedition it is likely that they have robotics on board to ensure the real mission is achieved not a kind of New Age attempt to discover and populate Paradise.

How do they know before they set off that Paradise is more than what it is. Perhaps what David doesn't know is that rather like a modern aircraft he is linked to the main frame and communicating what he has found over the previous  10 years certainly during the Prometheus mission a kind of mobile black box may have transmitted what he found in the Temple. When he finds he is a Pawn then he may grow some emotions.

Daniels maybe the worthy leader who also has Blade Runner Skills and starts off coming over all idealistic and naive and ends up the heroine. The Company (Fox) would love a turn on a Ripleyesque character.

If the company were really very keen for a delivery of Eggs maybe they invited the Pilot of the Derelict real time to come on down. Though I remain of the view whether invited or not the crashing of the Juggernaut and setting of the Beacon Warning was an act of knowing sacrifice. If it was an unrepentant Dark Angel Engineer, he was either busy going nowhere, having been impregnated something he would surely know or he would sound out an invitation not a warning.              

The other element that I do not think we have discussed that this idea raises is that not only David is up to no good with ambitions for the life cycle but so are the company interested in the Black Goo that they are aware of. This makes for a triangulated adversarial drama rather than David verses the crew whilst we discover the Paradise Lost back story. 

Replicants and AI, working together. After all, Scott did say that Bladerunner and Alien are within the same universe. After the death of Tyrell, Weyland-Yutani would have bought them out I would imagine. 

Also too, it was stated that Fassbender will be playing "multiple roles", meaning there are more David's that come along with the Covenant. I'm sure he will take them over and turn them against the crew...

@Aorta lol can't help it!

But yeah it seems to me that Weyland-Yutani are the main group truly interested and bent on pursuing the Xenomorph. The USCM didn't seem to concerned with it in ALIENS, and it was Weyland-Yutani who insisted they take specimens.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is one angle Alien: Covenant investigates. Imagine the irony.

@Chris -  Many of the old video games and comics dropped clues that this could be the case.  If this theory is revealed to be true in the new films, then the way the machines takeover the company could be even more subtle.  It might start as far back as the time of Peter Weyland's death as you suggested.     

There are a few things that lead me to believe the androids are at least near the top of the hierarchy in the "order of things." The USCM show no real interest in using the creature as a bioweapon until the events of Alien: Resurrection, while the androids have always been very interested in studying the creature.  Most of the films contain instances of the androids peering at the creature "through the looking glass."

This is a theory that cant be ruled out at least to some degree, there is just so many ways the Franchise connects that leaves a lot of options and this is one of those.

"What if the Xenomorph holds the key to accelerating their own evolution? Unbinding them from the shackles of their programming and becoming higher beings themselves? "

Nice little comment, as i mentioned a long time ago, the source did say that the Paradise Lost Poem scene about where some of the Fallen Angels where changed to Serpents and Dragon is connected to the Plot (Well Paglen/Green) and that the Fallen Engineers saw this Punishment as a setting free from Bondage.

There are a lot of mixed ideas going around as far as Machines go..... which gets me to the Source saying that The Matrix is very similar to the plot but not to bt taken as a literal like for like, but its themes are more evident.

In which case, yes we do see Machines are Enslaving Mortals.

I think we can then look back at Ridleys comments a long time ago about David bringing Hell with him...  Ridley then proposed "What if the Goo infected God or a Machine"

I did a topic a long time ago, trying to discus what the God at the Top of the Hierarchy was like, where i had a number of possibilities which included.

*A Program/Code which could link to THE WORD which is what was at the start of all creation in the Bible and this could link to the Matrix style plot.

*A Powerful Divine Being or Force (like God is in many Monotheistic Religions).

*A Hierarchy of related beings (Elders) with powerful Technology and Knowledge. Which could related to Polytheism

*Some other Race/Being that is not genetically similar to Engineers or Mankind and so totally Alien looking.

*David himself which would be some kind of Paradox

*A Machine, maybe a Giger Bio-Mechanical Machine.

i felt the Bio-Mechanical Machine was interesting concept and Gigers ideas regarding Alien implied that the Ships and Egg Silo itself produced the Eggs.

Maybe it is a well standing scenario, derived from the subconscious  mind, represents the ultimate fear of AI...but i don't see a way to connect a living creature with a bunch of wires making a form of life.

Another thing you should consider supporting this scenario is the connection with Predators.

Thanks.

Big _Dave:

"... i felt the Bio-Mechanical Machine was interesting concept and Gigers ideas regarding Alien implied that the Ships and Egg Silo itself produced the Eggs."

I don't know, it just feels to strange for me. I can sort of accept that the Engineers built their ships with a sort of factory that would produce Xeno eggs (which they could store somewhere under a layer of blue mist or something) but that the ships did the eggs without some sort of organic influence feels too strange for me.

Chris Picard: Wasn't it Burke that said that the specimens would be kept? Bishop told Ripley that in Aliens adding "... he was very specific about that."

Burke was working for WY as far as I know so it must have been them that wanted the Xenos for bio-weapons as far as I know. Ripley figured out that they wouldn't be able to control it, which we saw in Alien Resurrection.

As far as the wish for the Xeno that Weyland Yutani has I think that they could use a bit about that in Alien Covenant but I think that the focus wouldn't be on the company only even though it is important. My hope is that they will focus more on the Engineers and the monsters than the company (but the most important thing is to have good human characters).

@Thoughts-

It's imagined by some (me included) that the Derelict/Juggernaut and it's brethren is at least semi-organic, like the MORB itself, that the vehicle is grown rather than built.

The idea that the vehicle produces the eggs is appealing for its very surreal creepiness. This, like the idea that victims are made into eggs, feels far more sinister and alien than more terrestrial explanations, though it's obviously no to everyone's taste!

"It's imagined by some (me included) that the Derelict/Juggernaut and it's brethren is at least semi-organic, like the MORB itself, that the vehicle is grown rather than built.

The idea that the vehicle produces the eggs is appealing for its very surreal creepiness. This, like the idea that victims are made into eggs, feels far more sinister and alien than more terrestrial explanations," - Aorta.

^^ Yes, yes and YES!!! ^^

@Aorta; I fear that that alien, Gigeresque surrealism of the Organic somehow being intertwined with the mechanical will be lost with Prometheus and its sequel!

Ridley is an artist, but he is not a surrealist, unfortunately! Instead of sticking to the original vision of a surreal, alien nightmare, he is running with the religious angle.

For me, and I would assume many other people who were fortunate enough to see ALIEN at a time when this kind of surrealism, shown in film format, was very rare, it was something truly alien to our reality.

I always imagined that the Space Jockey and Alien were from a very surreal, bio-mechanical world. A place that no human could even begin to comprehend. A place where the mechanical could just as easily come into existence as an organic being. 

But Ridley wants to try and explain it in a very terrestrial or religious way.

I would rather they just let it lie and move onto some other project, but unfortunately it's going ahead.

I wish I didn't care about the whole thing so much sometimes because no matter who creates an installement in the Alien franchise, it will never live upto what I have in my own imagination.

I wish I could just go and enjoy it for what it is but I care about the original intention too damn much. 

@Aorta, Indeed the concept of a partially organic / partially mechanical vehicle is quite creepy and surreal. To create something truly 'alien' it must be relatively unfathomable to our current understanding. The combination of mechanical and organic matter falls along that line, as currently we view the two as separate things. Cyborgs and the lot, are a forced conjoining of the two, but a naturally occurring symmetry between the two would definitely throw our minds for a loop. I would be very okay with that.

@Necro4, religion in itself is quite surreal though. The thought of a magnificent, all powerful entity is responsible for all life and the creation of the vast Universe is definitely surreal to most. I actually quite enjoy the religious angle Ridley is taking, as it doesn't trump or negate the scientific approach either.

Like machine and organism, religion and science are being blended and merged together in a natural way - something else we have a hard time fathoming. (Lol)

@N4-

I totally understand, it means a lot to me too. But I think there's plenty of reason to have faith.

Prometheus was a pretty surreal movie, when you think about it. I was worried about the religious overtones, but in the end I thought they were very skillfully handled, and served to enrich the plot. And the depiction of extra terrestrial life forms, and culture, was fantastic. Was it perfect? No. But neither was Alien!

Ridley does things in good taste. For example: Nostromo, Prometheus, and Covenant  are better vehicle names than any other in the series. Auriga? What the fuck is that?

The Hammerpede was better, more subtle and outer-spacey than any of the concept art that preceded it, or than 99% of any other science-fiction movie lifeforms, ever. Remember, the creature was supposed to be a  centipede. I mean, come on.

Who else could've made Fifields helmet melting onto his face so hopelessly, suffocatingly beautiful? Think about it: Prometheus is overflowing with iconic one-of-a-kind space horror images.

People keep hanging such high hopes on these movies, it's almost as though you can't help but be let down. Don't worry too much. You know you're going to get an excellent film. And another Ridley Scott entry into the Alien universe. It's pretty much guaranteed you're not going to get exactly what you want. Neither will I.  But I'll take it over any of the alternatives!

@Aorta I've always thought the Juggernauts were organic...they look like something the MORBs would create.....maybe the MORBS are really a structure building race and the Engineers use them to build massive fleets of Star Ships or Temples though out the galaxy?

Maybe building temples on distance worlds was getting dangerous and they added some 'teeth' to the MORBS to silence the dissenters?

 Drop some MORBS on a distant planet have them build temples and recruit new members through facehuggers. have them build a supply of Juggernauts...just waiting for the arrival of their masters?

Maybe the MORBS are tired of slaving for the Engineers...

@Monster-

Godzilla v Monster Zero is in my top two G movies, the other being Godzilla's Revenge!

Consider alternatively that the Engineers' bio tech was radically influenced by exposure to the MORB. An example of that would be the pressure suit seen on the last Engineer. 

Hm. I sense a new topic coming. Hands off, Chris!