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""I have never really understood the connection Hammerpedes - Deacon - Xeno. Can someone explain it to me?"

The connection is simply to show a connection as far as the result of exposure to the accelerant mutagen.

Which was that Organisms, that are infected by the stain within those Urns end up being Mutated/Evolved with a mixture of DNA that is related to the Xenomorph DNA

They was all Plot Devices to show a Genetic Connection to the Xenomorph, Engineers and use as a Biological Warfare.

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I would suggest reading Spaights and Lindeloffs drafts for a better understanding of how this all works...

Talking of Drafts..... the draft that Evolved to Prometheus had a different take on Milburn and Fifield, which was never expanded upon.... Fifield was High and it was he who was toying with the Hammerpede.

The draft had other better explanations for silly moments in the movie, such as getting Lost.... the draft had it where Fifield thought Milburn had a Map Device, and Milburn thought Fifield had it.

I'm sure we have all had the same situation in real life, where say a Couple would leave their home and assume the other has the house keys... when neither have. And so end up locked out of the house.

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Lindeloff did try and tease the Hammerpedes played a role in the Xenomorph though.... in a Interview but he also called the Deacon the Progenitor too which lead to confusion and some thinking does Hammerpede+Deacon = Xenomorph

Which i think is not the case....

But it is interesting im how Worms Procreate, a Worm is both Male/Female but they cant fertilize their own Eggs. So Two Worms are needed and both end up with fertilized Eggs.  This could connect to how a Queen produces Eggs and maybe the Xeno DNA has the ability to Fertilize Eggs... hence Shaws Pregnancy..

Thats not to say this is the case though....

i would love to see the Hamerpedes Explored in future, if not on Film maybe in a Comic or Book...

There has to be a reason the Hamerpede had gone down Milburns Mouth.... more than just to kill him. But maybe not.

I would love them to be explored in one of Two Ways..

1) Hammerpede goes into the Mouth to lay its Eggs or a Egg or Embryo so in effect it acts like the Face Huger but it can go on and infect multiple hosts (it does not die after depositing a Egg/Embryo).

2) Instead of a Embryo the Hammepede puts something inside that then started to eventually Morph the Genetics of the Host and this could lead to either a Mutated Being, or a Egg.

3) Another Morphing idea... that the Hammerpedes act like a Caterpillar, it required something from Milburn or any Host, so that the Hammerpede can then enter a Metamorphosis stage where it like a Caterpillar or even a Fly Larvae it then becomes a Pupa and then something completely different then breaks free of the Pupa.

I think either of these would have been interesting.

 

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As far as Engineers Bodies then yes the idea before was Chest Buster and then Attack by the Offspring....  but this is a little odd to how they ended up being Chest Busted and Attacked in the same area...

Unless afterwards other Engineers simply dragged the body's and pilled them up....

We have to remember Production had begun prior to Lindeloffs Re-write and so some Props was more based off Spaights draft. Which include the Chest Busted Cryo-Sleep Pods.

But  we dont really know what was supposed to had happened, Shaw made a reference to it being a Outbreak like she had seen before (Ebola) then we have to look at the Decapitated Head  and why was those Engineers running to the Big Head Room that preserved the Decapitated Head and why then did those other dead Engineers all seem to be outside a Door that seems to also lead to the same room....

And why those Dead Engineers Suits all seem Hollow?

So i think my theory seems to be the more plausible but thats not to say this is the case though.

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S.M: Alright so Ridley preferred the live one, but I still think that the animated monster was better. Sometimes live action things are better and sometimes not. This one wasn’t better than the animated monster IMO but that depends on who you ask.

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Hammerpedes! : Thanks for posting the picture, that is much appreciated.

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I think in reality they had other ideas... which had to be cut for various reasons... they was working on a Animatronic Version which was my favorite as well as other Props

Both of these would have been better, but maybe could not have pulled them off to the way Ridley would have felt pleased with maybe due to budget restraints?

Who knows....

The one we got does look like a quick and cheap FIX, they would have used this scene but also use it as a basis for CGI overlay.

But Ridley was so pleased with Sean Haris work and i guess the CGI did look a bit too CGI and so the decision was made to stick with Toxic Avenger Fifield.

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Big Dave: Both these versions are a lot better than what we got on screen. Quite frankly the final version is crap compared to these. Sorry if I am harsh but this is my opinion since the final version is such a disappointment IMO.

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I agree.... these would also have linked the Black Goo and Xeno DNA connection more

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Maybe Ridley didn't want to give the impression that there is a link and Fifield was somehow turning into an Alien.

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The concept and idea was this route....

But it does seem, they had decided during shooting or just prior to change some elements... others had been changed during the Editing and indeed Post movie... Fox had released information to maybe change how the Goo was to be persevered by us all

But regardless we got what we got...

And regardless we cant rule out if Fifield was finished as far as Evolutionary effects the Goo had, we cant confirm or even rule out that this was the Final Stage of effect from the Goo..

Same goes with Holloway, before he got Torched... some Question why Fifield was not changed as much as the Hammerpedes.... it could be that they had been swimming in a larger volume of the Goo than Fifield.

We just dont know, how much of a effect the amount of Goo has on the effects... so its safe to assume Larger the Volume of Material contaminated the larger and more rapid the effect would be....

 

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Very proud of this, my first post!!!

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A compelling Post too and one thats overlooked...

One that could give us the Actual Answers to the Eggs maybe?

Prior to what Alien Covenant would do about them however...

This would be based on a few Questions?

1) Was those Worms Native to LV-223 how long had these Organisms been on LV-223 prior to Prometheus mission?

2) If they had been there a while, and even thousands of years, could a similar spillage of the Goo by Accident had infected the same kind of Worms in the Past?

3) The result of which would surely be the same (Hammerpedes) and Worms from Earth can Procreate Asexually and some are Hermaphrodites and if these Worms are the same or similar... then TWO Worms would mate and then both Worms would become Fertilized (Eggs Will).

4) If we assume this is correct and Hammerpedes can do the same but have Xeno Traits and so need a Host, then this would explain why the Hammerpede decided to enter Milburns Mouth to Lay a Egg or Eggs..

5)If these Eggs then evolve to Embryo that takes on the Traits of the Host like the Xenomorph did, then we could get a Hybrid Organism that would be a Egg Layer... as opposed to Shaws Deacon.

So if this is possible, its not impossible for the same event to have happened to the Engineers and this could explain the Outbreak and the Chest Busted Cryo-Sleep Engineers.

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The thing that has always confused me re the engineers running is that the one who slips and gets left behind to the point where he gets decapitated is found but where are the other engineers who we assume made it safely to the room and sealed the door?  There were no other bodies.

 

Are we to assume they are the ones we later see entering the ship?  

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I am not sure if someone already posted this but it doesn't "drill" a cavity into Milburn's (The Biologist) arm but rather breaks it and tears his suit and goes in and down his throat later breaking out of his chest as he was found by the crew of the prometheus with a hole in his chest and in a deleted scene it is shown that the hammerpedes were not Created but rather mutated from a worm that Milburn finds and that is why he also reaches for it because he recognized it as the same one he caught and later released (I think).

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