Alien Origin David's Experiments

"Now if you go on from there and do time travel or a long exposition of the Xeno origin then you have cut out some potentially really interesting drama"

indeed and your whole reply is on the Money....

We wont deal to deep into events post 2104 when the Covenant arrive... they dont want to be covering to much and so we can get more evolved story and characters and bring in some of that Horror that Alien had....

The Backing into.. could mean history and other elements could be touched upon at a latter date and movie..

As far as TWO Davids go.... thats interesting because Ridley said Fassbender would return in TWO Roles... David 8 and a Doppelganger and i dont think Rigby would pass as a Doppelganger?

We see Fasbender on set with brown shorter hair and what appears to be part of the Covenant Crew.....

I think the Synopsis is a key.... as why mention Synthetic David?   Dont we know he is a Robot already.... this with the Doppelganger and Fassbender playing TWO Roles and the Big Idea they have for David being in one peace... i think is very interesting.....

I dont think it means David replaces who ever is on the Covenant and so maybe there are TWO Fassbender likenesses ... One being Synthetic David 8 and the other maybe a Not so Synthetic Doppelganger 

As far as Rigby goes, who knows would the Covenant have more than one Synthetic?   or maybe a Android and a new kind of Artificial Being "Doppelganger" or is one of them secretly non-human unknown to the crew like Ash was?

Looking at the cast and how we have couples and Rigby i think he is just one of the couples.... but his Plot Device could mean he plays a Role in the Outcome as far as maybe First Time we see the New Monster?

Is he the first to be Face Hugged?

The Source claimed that in order to Re-Create you needed the Tools and Knowledge..... well he already had used the Tools in Prometheus and he kind of saw the results....

He could Re-Create this with Shaw or even one of the Females on the Covenant....

They want to top the Chest Buster Scene, and the Franchise has re-used unused concepts before..... and so the Spaights Holloway and Watts (Shaw) love making Scene could be re-used...

Imagine David 8 re-creates the Experiment again, with Rigbys Characters Partner... but this Female does not know what has happened.... maybe David infects Rigby and we get a repeat of the Holloway-Shaw incident.... which latter we get the introduction of the unused Holloway-Watts Scene.

Only its the Female who is Chest Busted by a Trillobite and what if this then Face Huggs the Male (Rigby)  The Covenant crew well some arrive to the Room and see Blood, and a Exploded Female and maybe Face Hugged male?

David could persuade the Crew (or with someone on board who has a Agenda and in the know) that they take Rigby to a Room like they did with Kane.... and that they know what they are doing.....  This leads to Rigbys Character then Chest Busting or having the Organism removed...

I am not sure if this is what we would see, but it would fit with him (Benjamin Rigby) taking part in a Plot Device.. and Potentially Topping the Chest Buster Scene from Alien.

It fits in with the Sources... Re-Create... and rumors of Trilobites on Set..

@BD

You me and Ridley all agree the beast is done to death buts that just in the "chase the M F down and blow him out of the hatch sense".

There are two ways it could be fresh and exciting.

1) Its evolutionary path "Where it all begins". I had not noticed the tag line BD thanks for reminding us. So we have a missing link creature Necronom IV. You know maybe Ridleys tease and the big idea is David & Goo = the evolutionary path = he is not just synthetic he is bio ..... But at some point he breaks his Covenant with Shaw or maybe its already to late "its been with us all the way". Thats what makes this exciting there are a lot of variables but my point is all the ingredients are all there to make it now. That also leaves open the chance in future movies not only to explore the tension between W-Y and the broader benefits (the green jelly) but who the hierarchy are. They put paid to the Engineers maybe they can help put paid to the side affects. So you have the antagonists going after the tech and protagonist looking for help to put a stop to it you know like an elephant faced creature that takes all this .... to a planetoid as an act of sacrifice and sets of beacon warning stay clear.

2) The making of fear can be the sheer scale of the infestation of the Covenant with more of a what happened off screen in A L I E N S. There will be bluffing and then right out of nowhere it gets really ugly. We may see stuff that feels like it can not get any worse ...and it does. Love making interrupted by a F H... or not the bluff. 

By the way re reading Ridley its Shaw and David that come upon a disaster thats part of the conversation from the few weeks it was called PL and indicates Noomi was always in the movie but I am fairly confident the disaster is pre David so he is picking over the bones of the disaster.   

I think the fear will come with if we can attach ourselves with the Characters and their Plight.....  These couples believe they are going to off to a Earth like uninhabitated World to start a new... like so many Europeons did after the East had found the West and the Americas...

And so it has to be centered around their hopes and dreams of finding this Paradise only to then find out they have arrived at Hell but its to late to leave and escape.

It certainly is a interesting movie in the making and there is so much that can suprise us as while we have some ideas, all the clues we have been given and synopsis and comments surely will not tell us everything.

I do think the word COVENANT will play a strong theme/element but its a case of how... and with the scope of where they would take a Prometheus sequel.... leaves us with a number of ways Covenant comes into play...   its pretty hard to work out how this would fit, but i would assume it certainly has to play a part.

Its just how many layers or multiple ways Covenant can fit in with the Plot, as Prometheus could be applied to  that movie more than one way.

I would at very least have to assume that one part of it has to relate to either.

1) Engineers be it past... or post Prometheus, prior to Alien Covenant.

2)Regards to contact and interaction with Engineer Technology

so what i mean is surely it has to fit and show us a reason why Engineers never came back.... or why maybe the company never pursued Technology on LV-223 after Prometheus.

And i would not be surprised if it involves a Covenant being broken.....  we could find themes that relate to Covenants within the Paradise Lost Poem and Greek Prometheus Mythos.

If i go back to the Topic of David's experiments...

Well if i look more into the Big Idea and maybe what is meant by the Doppelganger when i saw the Prometheus Trailers and with information we knew at this time, i wandered if we would see this Synthetic David who is a little like Pinocchio become a real boy with the help of something the Engineers had "Big Things have Small Beginnings"  and so i wandered if David was too some how Evolve himself from Synthetic to Bio-Mechanical with the help of Engineers Technology or something related to their experiments..... but ultimately he would pay the price for this buy getting Face Hugged by Shaws Baby she had removed... this Ultimately is what lead to the Xenomorph

I was not happy with this aproach as i always felt the Xenomorph Eggs and Derelict had been there for thousands of years.... but i was wrong and i found out this before watching the movie as the latter Trailers Showed if you looked at still shots, a Head with Blonde Hair... it had to be David? or Vickers (could she been a Robot too?) was what i wandered... but seeing other shots from trailers i concluded it was Davids head....  so that put this theory to bed.

But thats not to say they cant go that route with this movie...

The Doppelganger could that be the Brown Haired Fassbender on set with the Covenant crew?... and WHY did the Synopsis tell us David 8 was Synthetic when we knew this? And then  Ridley said Fassbender will play multiple roles and then more than one role and so why not say Fassbender plays Two Androids?

What if the Doppelganger is not Synthetic but is a Artificially created Humanoid... Dark Horse had to sit down with Ridley and Fox when working on Fire and Stone to make sure they was not treading on the toes of where they would be taking a Prometheus sequel and Scott said at the end of the day it was all the same TOES!

The Source said while Fire and Stone should not be considered direct Canon... it explores themes and elements that Could be applied and happen as Canon.

Fire and Stone brought us Elden a Artificial Being who was a Synthetic Construct and so they was part Synthetic and part Organic......  Could Alien Covenant explore this?

Could Doppelganger David be a Synthetic Construct like Elden?

Elden was able to be infected by the Black Goo, and Evolved...

Could a Synthetic Construct also become Face Hugged and Produce a Part Synthetic/Part Organic Chest Buster... a True Bio-Mechaniod like the Xenomorph?

Could this be how a Xeno is made?

Whats interesting too is the concept for Elden in Fire and Stone.. they was toying with both a Female... and a Cocoon Scene... like a Egg Morph but they abandoned these ideas.

The Female idea looks similar to Sil/Eve from the Species movies that was based of HR Gigers works too.... The Fire and Stone Female Synthetic Construct also became pregnant with Face Huggers that would pass on Synthetic embryos... again a idea of how the Xenomorph could have came to be...

This piece of concept work which i only ever saw not long ago, did get me thinking to the Sources claims that without Sin as in context of Paradise Lost their would be no Xenomorph...

I assume the daughter of Satan is what they meant who was constantly pregnant with the Hounds of Hell who Guard the Gates of Hell, Sin is described as Part Human and Part Serpent she is also similar to Greek Mythos of Echidna who was also Female and Part Human/Serpent and was mother of Monsters which included the Hell Hounds that Guard Hades (Hell) and also is mother to the Eagle that was sent to Punish Prometheus.

In context to Alien.... Ridley had referred to the beast as a Dragon and Serpent before... So in Context of the Franchise a Satans Serpent/Humanoid Hybrid would look a bit like Sil/Eve or the Female Synthetic Construct effected by the Black Goo as shown in the above unused Fire and Stone concept...

So its certainly interesting to see if any of these things come into play or similar.

I definitely buy into the Xeno being from a previous era and David reverse engineering, it or something similar, idea.

It does make me wonder what may have been lurking in the other silos/labs on LV-223 . . . People on here have suggested different types of goo that relate to different types of Xeno organisms, and that would be the obvious conclusion and what I think the audience was supposed to infer . . .

Maybe David gained more knowledge when locating and flying the other ship to get to Paradise; which could be alluded to, or shown, in AC?  Add that to what he may find on Paradise, and having a 'willing' humanoid test subject, and BOOM . . . 

It always comes back to me about the question of 'why' with the Xeno.  Hints from AC set-peaks suggest either an outbreak or attack/punishment of some sort.  Perhaps the Xeno, or something similar, was used on the inhabitants there and in time they began to study and develop it (using LV-223 as an R&D centre) - for counter attacks, a more 'persuasive' argument a-la the atom bomb?  Who knows!  (on a side note - i do hope we get to see glimpses of the Engineers' culture and a bit of back story as to what the hell was going on with them - and us!)

Also, we have a 'less than fully functioning' David to begin with.  Sure I've heard that he gets his head back on but is also becoming 'big idea David'.  I wonder how much experimentation/modification he will have performed upon himself?  Engineer/SJ tech does seem to have a bio-mechanical feel to it (Gigeresque) and who knows what the goo, or other forms of it, are capable of.  One thing I'd wager is that David would know pretty quickly, or could make a pretty good educated guess, and would not be burdened with ethical or moral doubts; and so would not be afraid to experiment . . .

@BD

I wrote a long post yesterday and deleted it because I felt I was missing something and as always I went back to Ridley's PL/C comments.

You and I have always thought Shaw and David come upon Paradise and that has turned out to be the case. They come upon an evolving creature (from the Deacon the forerunner) and Ridley says what they come upon is Bio mechanoid and a weapon and why would they (Engineers) make such a thing.

You and I both believe the fall and the the production of the Bio mechaniod are connected. You have offered very elaborate allegorical analysis of how it relates to Paradise Lost and reading the Poem it is easy to see how. 

This means two terribly important things :-

1) The Engineers have/had the technology to blend man and machine.

2) We know that Paradise Lost involves a disaster (speculations include inter Engineer War) but I am much aligned with hierarchal punishment for what :-

A) Release from Bondage through a sub creative act. 

B) The desire to replace what they had created "the Earth mission".

What if A is the sub creative act of creating A I and blending it into a weapon a missing link Zeno. (N  IV the evolving creature) is the reason (or cause) of the retribution.

If this hypothesis is correct.

David would have access to the Engineers blending technology for :-

1) His own big idea.

2) Reactivating and evolving the creature.

Put simply the tools and the knowledge.

This really puts David 8 right at the core of everything that happens in Covenant with Shaw being his victim and the David that the Covenant meet is not a synthetic but a blended being with a whole heap of intel on the Engineers technology. In AC we may see Daniels uncover more than the mutated goo and that leads elsewhere later but this ties all the themes together and provides us with the Covenant broken by the Engineers the Covenant broken by W-Y and a good balance between the big picture insight to the Engineers as well as a making of fear narrative. That David is a mechanical and the Xeno created in its evolving state is bio mechanical would seem to me to give Covenant a natural and logical momentum and lead us away from some of the uneasiness caused by the evolutionary script of Prom.   

"Perhaps the Xeno, or something similar, was used on the inhabitants there and in time they began to study and develop it (using LV-223 as an R&D centre) - for counter attacks"

Indeed having studied Prometheus and looking into the Prometheus Mythos back ground... i was always drawn to these Two Fresco's being related.

The pose matches closely, the look on the face or Prometheus/Engineer and the scar on the Engineer is in the same place that the Eagle Beak is at.

The Prometheus movie fresco Creature looks like it could be beaked and one of HR Gigers other Face Hugger Concepts which is in the Mural is also Beaked.

This is not to say its just circumstantial....  But we have to consider the Prometheus Mythos was about Forbidden Knowledge and Fire passed onto Mankind and Punishment for Prometheus for doing so.

Prometheus movie had shown hints the Engineers Seeded Life but came back and visited us over and over, and maybe are the ones who was behind our Advances in Technology over thousands of years (Ridley confirmed this).

Ridley has gone with a story (or was going for) that connects to Paradise Lost and indeed with the Fall of Angels and Mankind and so Satan and his Demons are prehapse the connecting theme he wished to explore.

Lucifer Rebelled against God, and it was his Actions that lead to Mankind falling by getting Adam and Eve to Eat from the Forbidden Fruit that gave Forbidden Knowledge.

Satan was punished for this..... he was turned into a Monster in some accounts.... and in Paradise Lost Poem he was punished by giving birth to a Daughter from his Head.... his Serpent/Human Daughter would constantly be birthing Hounds of Hell, as they rip apart her Entrails Daily...... This is similar to Prometheus Punishment.

The Source had claimed that in context of Paradise Lost without Sin (Satans Daughter) there would be no Xenomorphs..

So maybe the Engineers or their leader on LV-223 was sent something to punish them and the result of this Punishment leads to that Fresco Creature which in some way is the True Progenitor to the Xenomorphs?

The other Fresco this Creature appears to be holding a Egg in a similar pose to HR Gigers Egg Photo (he was the Creator of the Xeno/Egg).

This is not to say such connections are meant to be, its just a view connections i have interpreted.... which latter the Source Comments can kind of fit with.

So Deep Space yes there could be some conflict going on where the one faction was Punished but this Punishment did not succeed and the Punished Engineers then Re-Engineered the results to make their many Bio-Weapons

As for the Other Temples

They could have similar or different Bio-Weapons, we have to assume they have a similar purpose and David said there was many more Engineer Ships which means more then just ONE and so its likely the other Temples was where they got the Juggernaught from.

Spaights Draft and Ridleys ideas was that the Derelict had a number of different types of Eggs, each with a different type and the Outpost on LV-426 (Spaights Draft) they had been experimenting and creating 8 different kinds of related Organisms for use as Bio-Weapons.

So yes its likely the other Temples may have had slightly different Results.... which could mean Davids Juggernaught Cargo has a slightly different Xeno Strand than the one he used on Holloway/Shaw in Prometheus.

The Fire and Stone comics (Predator) however showed us a Predator hunting some 4 Armed Humanoid to a degree Alien Species and there was a Cave Painting that was like the Prometheus one that Holloway and Shaw found... only it depicted beings with 4 arms worshiping taller Humanoids (in Space Jockey Suits) which pointed to the same Star Map.

Why?

Maybe Each Temple is dedicated to a different Creation the Engineers had seeded?

@DeepSpace

I hope you can see that whilst we are talking about David being a kickstarter in the narrative there is a pre existing evolving creature which needs to be explained and Shaw could be used in this way rather than a birthing vehicle. However where i disagree with you and BD I do not think they will make the back story very politically complicated it will be about ideas a fall why here is what the fall was rather than a full blown Fall of the Engineer History and to leave the right bits of that history lose and speculative adds to the mythos. Big ideas strongly executed with lose details round the edges.  

"Daivd that the Covenant meet is not a synthetic but a blended being"

Indeed this is something that Fire and Stone touched upon with Elden, and my post with the Female Concept Synthetic... and how i thought before i saw Prometheus that David would evolve himself to be more than Machine but ultimately would then be able to be Face Hugged and Gestate a Chest Buster.

Deep Space also wondered what condition he would be in when the Covenant arrive.....    Ridleys comments indicate more than a simply unqualified re-attachment of his head by Shaw!

But while its likely David is back in one piece using Engineer Technology (could a Engineer had actually helped him and made a Covenant? ) who knows....

But i dont think David would be to far changed so that he would look nothing like his former self (i.e how evolved Elden from Fire and Stone had been).    I think David would have to look pretty Human for the Covenant Crew to accept him and interact with him without being alarmed..

As i doubt or hope we dont have a group of Colonists who are stupid..... and so they would be cautious if they detect and see a David who looks totally different.

Maybe David is wearing similar Engineer under Pressure Suit, the Covenant Crew would see this as odd, but he could explain that its technology he came across that can evolve and be beneficial to Mankind.... this is when he can loosely discus Engineer Technology and maybe reveal the Juggernaught?

Who knows...

The only other way is by the time the Covenant meet this new and improved David 8.... their ship is Sabotaged and they cant escape.

@BD

I also feel for Covenant to flow on from Prometheus what they find is not what Janek speculated but more of the same refined and made clear. From a story telling point of view that closes out LV223 and for future prequels as well as well answer the why not go there rather than divert the Nostromo. Its no longer a plot hole its an irrelevance. 

@BD 

Thats why I hesitated yesterday I did not think the Eldon outcome would work for the story and began thinking whether David created his own doppleganger but you come back to the same point. We need to get something into the food chain to create the Egg a face hugger and off we go. I think for a tent pole movie David to no longer be just David and Shaw to be plot device where David has access to the tools and knowledge of the evolving creature makes much sense and plays into some thing I know other like that retains the stand off between David 8 and David Covenant.

If we learn in the prologue that Engineer technology can blend David we have the seeds for the rest of the story. A blended being could either cause a woman to give birth to a face hugger or be ripe as you say for a hug themselves.

A good conversation where geekiness can lead to over thinking. Thanks.     

Indeed Michelle i think it seemed they was going to cover more deeper into the Fall and Engineers.... this i think is going to be toned down but loosely covered.... like how loosely the Xeno connections was in Prometheus.

In turn... the Xeno connections would be explored in more detail this time.

As far as the Evolving Creature.... its hard to see what they mean by this but it rules out anything regarding the time frame of post Covenant Ships arrival.

Its a case of is this Evolving Creature something that was created by David or after David and Shaw arrived on Paradise, and so was there any remains of Engineers there? and what of Shaw.

Or if there was no Engineers when David arrived, maybe he instead found something that was Evolving left behind...

Ridley implies they made it (Engineers) but in the same interview he mentioned why would they create such Evil Biology and when he has in past mentioned the Evil Biology before he mentioned it in respect to the Black Goo.

So its open to if its implied the Evolving Creature was created by the Engineers as was discovered by David upon arrival..... or if its regarding the Engineers Evil Biology that allowed David to use it to create the creature that is evolving all those years between when David had arrived and then the Covenant.

We cant really be sure as there is one missing clue and piece of evidence... that is we dont know yet how long David had been on Paradise?

Ridley did say that they are not alone (David and Shaw) as another ship is incoming... but its a case of is the Covenant on the trail of Davids Juggernaught and following it?  or is it they are coming after as in they arrive at the same destination but at totally different times.......

One piece of Evidence to help with this is that we have to assume a Engineer Ship can Travel Faster than a Earth Ship in the year 2104 but we have no evidence for this.... we dont know how fast the Engineers ships can travel but the Orrey Room Star map did show other Galaxies so we have to assume its advanced.

So if the Covenant is not far behind or following David then we have to ask what has David been up to all those years before he sets a final course to Paradise....

The Covenant is WY ship and no Merger had happened as of 2094, and Paradise is said to be the other side of the Galaxy... but we cant take Synopsis as Fact here because LV-223 was in the dark reaches of the Universe... but we surely can assume Paradise is not as close as LV-223 and Prometheus took 2 years to get there...  the Nostromo which is a 2101 commissioned ship would have taken 10 months LV-426 to Earth, so i doubt the Covenant would be as fast as say the Sulaco...

So yes a lot of what may be going on depends on When David arrives and what state Paradise is in that time, and when the Covenant set out on its voyage.... and its a case of we may never know these details as we would arrive at the Start of Alien Covenant after these Events...

Pre-Aftermath of David on Paradise and Post Covenant arriving near by.

Indeed its interesting to speculate  the connections and outcome and Ridleys comments are pushing us in a direction that may contradict his other comments..... but its only what is shown on Screen thats Ultimately Canon..

I cant see how they can ignore LV-223 as significant and future movies must cover it to a degree... LV-223 must hold a big part of the Xenomorph.

The think with the comments Ridley has made is he could be misleading with them....

His comments could draw people to think...

*So the evolving creature has something to do with David and maybe this is why the Xenomorph is Bio-Mechanical

*The Xenomorph Origins starts from after the events of the Covenant Crew coming across David and this evolving creature.

But we have to not forget that THEY (Engineers) created it and so its a statement that could be a misleading one as could it mean some Organism Evolving that David finds.... that the Engineers created or maybe the THEY CREATED is with regards to the Black Goo?

They cant pass of LV-223 and all those clues, and our Engineers and how it connects to a Fall and Fallen Angels...  the events on LV-223 had occurred thousands of years ago....  where something related to Xeno DNA was present in those Bio-Weapons and the Mural/Fresco and other clues...

Was this event merely a Prophecy.... (Mural and Fresco) or are we going to have Time Travel?

For me the Sources comments about RE-CREATION seem to be interesting and something that can cover both aspects and provide a Creation Event within the timeline of Prometheus to Alien 2094 ==> 2122 that does not contradict clues and events seen in Alien and Prometheus.

A few things are for Certain....

The Covenant crew will come across David all on his own, but would soon be Faced with a Horrific Evolving Creation that is very related to the Xenomorph..

Paradise does not seem to be in a thriving state as far as Engineer Civilization....  There is a Scene of Disaster in the movie but is this on Paradise and when does this occur?   And is it related to LV-223 as we also see this place had been a Disaster too and all that remained was ONE Engineer (maybe) on LV-223 that the Prometheus Crew had awakened...

Are their any survivors on Paradise..?  it looks unlikely by the time the Covenant arrive... but we cant say as far as when David arrives.

I think this is a interesting Shot....

We dont know what this implies exactly.... as it could just be a place on set where the Production Crew Store these Props.... but i feel the whole Cave look and Ancient Shelves look is a big give away for this to not be the case.

Janek proposed the Engineers would not be so stupid to conduct Bio-Weapons Testing on their Door Step... but we cant be sure if he was correct...

We can assume these Urns are on Paradise but its a case of when and where?

*Is this a set that is to be used as a Ancient Flash Back, where these Urns end up there and do the inhabitants of Paradise know their purpose because if they did it does not look a good way to Store such things..

*Is this a place that David or the Covenant Crew Stumble upon among Engineer Ruins.... and these are left over Urns that have been there for a long long time?

*Is this a place that David has transported his Cargo to, and maybe he could trick the Covenant Crew to thinking they have discovered evidence of a Ancient Civilization and these Urn/Jars pose no threat?

Are these the Tools David has at his disposal? and with a number of Couples on the Covenant David could Re-Create his Experiment that he had done on Holloway/Shaw.

But i think that the Non-Synthetic Doppelganger could play the key role in something that ultimately is Bio-Mechanical.

@BD

You have misunderstood my point about LV223. What I am saying is that if Covenant which moves on fluidly from Prometheus answers all the questions raised by LV223 (the black goo, the headroom, the vials, the mutagen the fresco and mural and the attack on earth) then in story telling terms we have all our answers. If Paradise is a disaster I am sure its an extension of the same disaster as LV223 and if we get answer to why a disaster occurred on Paradise then we will have the answer about LV223.

I am not for one minute suggesting we will ignore the story telling value of LV223 but we can get our answers through Paradise and if there are heads (Yes) a destroyed engineer race (highly probable) Vials (Yes) and the follow through from the Deacon what story telling value does LV223 have.      

@BD

We also know the answer about why ten years. Its to fit the timeline down to the original movie and because it makes plausible the relative state of David/Shaw/W-Y at the moment the Covenant sets out on its mission. 

So David must be a place thats suitable for the story so must Shaw and the W-Y merger has had sufficient time to take place and the merged company set off. I am sure it has nothing to do with light year travel other than they would not make it entirely implausible. Its a long way away and it takes some time to get there audiences do not study warp technology potential.

The ten years is about whatever the story needs to get the pieces on the chessboard in the right place.

Whilst Ridley may use a phase enigmatically and he may of course change his mind during filming when he says they come to Paradise and find an evolving creature I am sure he means that there is enough ambiguity with our being an outright untruth.

One thing we definitely can not be certain of is their are two roles for Michael as David but we can not guarantee that one of them is own board Covenant though any other option seems less full of drama.  

@ BD & MJ

Some very interesting ideas there- I do enjoy the detail you both go to and ideas you generate!

@MJ in particular - Your idea about David becoming/evolving into a bio/mechanical being was what I was kind of alluding to.  The idea of him then being 'infected' in the traditional sense (face-hugged) could then lead to the Xeno we see in ALIEN (or very similar)

@ BD - I also feel this could be done to David (C) by David (P).  I'm not sure I like the idea of the former being a hybrid construct rather than purely mechanical.  I think it has mileage, don't get me wrong, but not sure I'd want the franchise to go into Bladerunner territory, or riff on the comics, in this instance.  ( I imagine i may be in a minority on that though ;) 

@ MJ - Re. the evolving creature - my guess is that this was once something similar to the Deacon and used directly or inadvertently to initiate the disaster we have seen glimpses of on Paradise.  I assume a lot there but that's where the clues and my imagination, aligned to reasonable logic, take me!  

I think David will find this but perhaps 'modify' it in some way that will produce the 2nd type of beast we have been promised.  i.e we have an 'evolving original' and the David 8 model Xeno ;)

The 'evolving' bit of the synopsis does cast some doubt here though . . .  Much like how the use of the word "synthetic" suggests to me that David 8 is, or will become, not what we last knew!

Indeed Michelle i think i maybe did not quite get what you meant when you said "From a story telling point of view that closes out LV223 and for future prequels as well as well answer the why not go there rather than divert the Nostromo. Its no longer a plot hole its an irrelevance. "

So you think if Alien Covenant can answer some of those connections from LV-223 then future movies can pass it by, i am not sure if you mean it would be irrelevant as in Story Telling Terms or as in for what the company can gain from there.

As it stands now, it seems LV-223 has more rewards and treasures than LV-426 but after Alien Covenant it could be shown that Paradise has the greater reward. And so going to LV-223 is no longer important?

Forgive me if i am wrong on that interpretation of your comments.

I guess a lot depends where they are going with the Plot... surely they are not going to ignore the back ground Weyland information about detecting Acheron LV-426 in 2039 however at this point it could be merely as a point of interest for supporting life and in no way any detection of the Space Jockey SOS.  Further background information latter exposed that they thought that LV-426 would hold more importance at a greater risk than LV-223 and that David would be assigned on the Mission as the only person in the know as far as Lv-426

So i would assume we are not going with the LV-426 at the time line of Alien Covenant (circa 2104) not having a Derelict on the surface?  I hope they dont go the route that the Derelict gets there after the events of the next Movie..

I hope Ridleys backing into Alien is just that... a going backwards and not forwards once Covenant is out with its Alien Xeno clues as i feel the change of plan is to answer these sooner rather than latter to please the Fans and allow Alien 5 to not have to step on any ones toes.... so that latter movies can touch upon the LV-223 and Engineers connections.

I totally agree we dont need Spoon Fed scenes... they need to however be less ambiguous than Prometheus for the most part as while some could figure out Prometheus and its trying to connect LV-223 with LV-426 and Derelict/Space Jockey and cargo with the Juggernaught/Engineers and Black Goo.... not everyone could make the connections.