PARADISE

And so i was not trying to sugest that Ridley had every intended or indeed said we are going for a Paradise Lost re-telling.....   we are borrowing themes from this but its not going to be a literal way and any element of the Paradise Lost which is as follows... could be changed and evolved into something different than what the literal poem was going for.

*We have God (Higher Caste of Hierarchy) we have Angels (lower caste of Hierarchy) who had in some part decided they should not have to live by the rules of their Hiearchy and what makes the Hiearchy much more special than them... so they Rebel... 

*This causes a War between Factions/Hierarchy Structure and the Rebellious eventually lose this battle and are cast away from where they had came.  They would also in future suffer Punishment as well as Banishment.

This is the tale that fits the Fall of the Angels.. Ridley had referred to the LV-223 Engineers as Fallen... now i think he is revering to all the Engineers as being Wicked... but it could be that different to the context literally of Paradise Lost... the Fallen are the ones who have now turned Paradise to their own... or indeed they could have been kicked out and ended up making some other place in the Galaxy Home (LV-223).

I feel in context to Paradise Lost Ridley is going more for the context of the Fallen Angels... and so maybe the Fall of Mankind could not even apply we just dont know as we cant be sure how loosely he is taking the connections.

If we explore the other Fall which is of Mankind... well in context this is basically showing that after one failed sub-creation attempt... the Hierarchy had again started another that was similar but not the same in the hope of finally not having the flaws that led to the previous Rebellion.

Paradise Lost shows us however that the previous Rebellious Faction had gone onto corrupt the new creation too so that they also Fall from God and are to be kicked out and abandoned.

We dont know how literal this would be or even if this would apply...

The ambiguity of it all and no knowing how far the Paradise Lost theme is connected makes for a number of ways this could all fit in.....  i have merely tried to find different theories that could maybe fit.

But i offer not one solid one, because we have to look at it like a Tree and it can branch out in a number of ways and we cant be certain which way they are going.

Surely enough wont be that we have some GREAT Magical God who is all Good who creates Angels and one Evil Angel decided to go against God and then get 1/3rd of the Angels to join him.... and this Evil Satan is kicked from Heaven...  But then God creates Man and lays down Rules for them but this Evil Satan comes along and turns Man against God so the Good God has to punish Mankind..

Paradise Lost seems to paint Satan as some kind of Freedom Fighter... much like Luther King or a Mandela and so his only sin really is to want freedom for himself and others than to have to be restrained under the Tyranny Rule of God.

Satan latter in act of revenge,  corrupts Man or does he merely open Mans eyes by giving knowledge that allows Man to have knowledge of everything that is forbidden...

Satans Sin... and Actions pretty much echo those of Prometheus.... by giving Mankind Knowledge and Tools that would eventually put us on equal footing.

I cant be sure if this is the case.. its what i assume, and i feel to some degree these themes are what we shall see but to not expect a literally word for word rewrite of Paradise Lost, just as Prometheus did not literally show us the Engineers as Magical Gods or even Angels in a literal sense.

I think the theme fits with David 8.  a creation of Mankind to serve and perform tasks that Mankind no longer has to do, and David Androids can perform these Tasks not only well but far greater than Mankind ever could.... its how much freedom to you allow the AI of these Androids before they realize they are superior to us, and should not be serving us or be bound by our Rules and Agenda for them.....

This knowledge could spiral to rebellion and we then have a Terminator, I-Robot and Matrix on our hands... and i feel this is a theme that we do get in Paradise Lost and Prometheus Mythos to a degree.

I cant be sure and i hope i have never implied 100% this is what Ridley is doing.... i think loosely however these themes are to be explored some what...

A thing to remember to is Ridley Scott and Fox regarding the Agenda and Ideas behind the Engineers and Connections has been a work in progress and things have been evolved as they go along... and so from prior to Prometheus to after Alien Covenant its not quite been the same A-Z it has been somewhat a STRAW MAN approach too.

But i now think they have a Total Plan sorted... and the purpose of this debated and others is to try and piece to piece the clues to try and figure out where potentially we are being taken..

But we shall never know for sure until August 4th and until then its just a case of debates and theories and i sincerely hope i have never came across hostile in how i present my ideas and i hope i have never came across as degrading to others.

I think that using the inspiration of the garden of Eden is a good thing. They don't need to make a copy of it but using it as a inspiration. New Zeeland where they shot the scenes seems to be a place where they can use the environment to make paradise look like a nice place.

Hopefully they will deal more with the Alien roots in this movie and not make a mess like Prometheus was. More direct links to the alien (Xeno) is what I wish for. I hope that the fall of Paradise and the Xeno are linked together in a way. This could be a chance to make the Engineers interesting to see how their experiments lead to the downfall of their Paradise if that is the way it was before they turned their guns on themselves so to speak.

Paradise seems to be a nice place in the beginning so it could

1. start out nice but then something happened which turned it into

2. more of a hell

    

Maybe the Engineers

1. Thought that Paradise was the ideal planet but

2. Felt that there was a threat from outside so they

3. Made the Xeno as a weapon of defense but it

4. Turned against them (ran rampant, canisters of goo got poured out, killed most of the Engineers, and transformed the landscape) so

5. Paradise got destroyed

There must been a reason behind why that was so they need to have that featured in the movie, at least a bit although maybe not too much and then humans get there later. Maybe David or one of the Davids could have gathered as much information so they (he) could tell the story at least briefly what happened since I wish that the story focuses on the link between the monsters (not only Xenos but other forms as well) and humans with the Engineers linked to that in a way.

Maybe there could be some temples or something similar if we assume that they had some religion/worshiped something. I like the pictures that Big Dave posts that show temples that are located in the woods, that is a nice idea and could fit in with the idea that Paradise is or at least was green and nice.

I can not decide if they worshiped the Xeno or some other form but at least both what they worshiped and their bio-weapons must be important in some way.

Perhaps I have written about this before but what if Paradise would be a Giger planet that the Engineers in their mind think is Paradise. Their opinion about what is paradise differs very much from what we think that it is. Maybe their Paradise is where they live and where they can be the masters so to speak even though paradise is a somewhat Giger-y looking place? What I mean is that they could find inspiration in Giger but maybe not use it as much as they did in the original Alien movie but more compared to how they did in Prometheus. I think that this is the route that I would prefer that they went although there are other options that are possible too like the green planet that has been hinted here.

I hope that the fall of Paradise and the Xeno are linked together in a way. This could be a chance to make the Engineers interesting to see how their experiments lead to the downfall of their Paradise if that is the way it was before they turned their guns on themselves so to speak.

I can not decide if they worshiped the Xeno or some other form but at least both what they worshiped and their bio-weapons must be important in some way.

Perhaps I have written about this before but what if Paradise would be a Giger planet that the Engineers in their mind think is Paradise. Their opinion about what is paradise differs very much from what we think that it is. Maybe their Paradise is where they live and where they can be the masters so to speak even though paradise is a somewhat Giger-y looking place? What I mean is that they could find inspiration in Giger but maybe not use it as much as they did in the original Alien movie but more compared to how they did in Prometheus. I think that this is the route that I would prefer that they went although there are other options that are possible too like the green planet that has been hinted here.

These are just a bunch of thoughts that I have. Hopefully someone will find them interesting.

@Thoughts_Dreams  i will reply to your comments next but first i will try and lay down what is FACTUAL as far as this Topic goes and look at what Michelle had mentioned in which she is very correct about the Straw Man Approach.

We have to remember when Ridley and Fox began the journey to provide us with a Alien Prequel and to explore the Space Jockey Race (who are they, where are they from) and the Xenomorph (where did it come from, what was the Space Jockey doing with it).  We have to remember they gave us a back ground on the Engineers as these Space Jockeys are now called that was a big broad plot with lots of scope... but  maybe also a tricky plot to do justice.

And what ever route they went for at the point they got Spaights in to do a number of drafts... we dont 100% know what the A-Z connections where or if they had a complete A-Z but as things progressed from Lindeloff to the Movie to the cuts and edits to the plans for a sequel to now Alien Covenant... we have to remember what ever A-Z they had at the start before the began work on the series of drafts that led us to Prometheus to what ever work has led to Alien Covenant we have to remember the A-Z has maybe changed quite a lot.

And so what ever route or clues we could make from Franchise as far as Prometheus and any sequel have been changing as more information comes out....  So we really cant have no definite idea on how it all fits in.

All we can do is debate, and then some clues would come along that would then maybe rule out or go against which ever ideas and theories we had previously and so we cant get a ONE size fits all Theory... we have to essentially take on the Straw Man Approach.

I am not 100% sure what Michelle meant but i think its regarding maybe the way i try to continue to use Paradise Lost and Prometheus Mythos as a basis to form my theories and she is very correct if thats what she means as far as we cant really be sure if those Mythos and Poem have any real basis..... i looked at the Prometheus Fresco and to me it looked like this Prometheus Punishment Painting... where i used it to try and fit other clues and ponder is the fresco creature the EAGLE?

I think the pose and look on the face is similar.... but if the Fresco was never even meant to be a representation of this painting or related to the Prometheus Punishment... then right from the Get-Go by theories that try and tie this in are then somewhat off the ball mark.

While it could fit... it does not have to mean it does in any shape or form...

The same goes for the Mural, which i look at the pose (Cruciform) and how the creature is infront of a Altar, and then how the Black Goo seems to pass on Xeno traits and led to a Deacon... and then considering the alternative shot of the Altar had the Sacrificial Cup and looking at this scene and especially how the scenes worked in Spaights draft and the Cruciform pose the Engineer took in his draft.

This led me to the Engineers Sacrificing the creature in the Mural to make the Black Goo.....

But this does not have to be the case, and if this is not the case or connection or they are changing their minds to what the Mural purpose was.... or if it was merely a East Egg... then my Theories again could end up being way out of the Ball Park.

I try to evolve my theories but they are just theories, i do apologise if my responses may be interpreted as if i am trying to FORCE my theories as correct and others are wrong, i never intend this and my  theories are theories and i have studied the movie in a lot of depth but this does not make my theories any way closer to the Real Truth than the next persons.

So my next post i am going to just HIGHLIGHT the Facts we have on Paradise and its inhabitants....

I will now try and make points towards this Topic which is Paradise (what it is and was and looks like) and who was its inhabitants.... these are all based of FACT.. none are my interpretations this next post is just the Actual Clues as far as what we are visually shown and Ridleys Comments. In context to the Franchise Prometheus ==>Alien Covenant.

PARADISE

*Visually Paradise is hinted to be just that, from the Synopsis where our Colonists are looking for a New World that they can start a fresh life.

*The Synopsis suggests a place that would be a Paradise, thus likely a Earth like World.. a actual place as wonderful as the Garden of Eden.

*Ridley has mentioned Paradise Lost so we could have some connections but not too literal and so in context to the Poem Paradise was the Garden of Eden, which in context to appearance would be a Primordial Fertile land of Beauty as Earth would have been before the rise of Man.

*Shooting Locations are in New Zealand and New South Wales which have a abundance of Landscapes that could be perfect to depict a Lush Paradise World.... much like how Iceland was ideal for a Baron Mountainous World.

*Set Photos fit this picture, and we even have one with Large Tree Stumps which could show this World is like Earth just some things are on a Larger Scale.

The Clues thus visually show us Paradise was as such and visually looks like a Primordial Fertile Earth.

However......... Paradise is described by Ridley as being a place that is dark and ominous and also been refereed to like a Hell.  But visually the World is not Dark, not like LV-426 and it certainly looks like no Hell... but we cant literally assume a Hell is a lake of Fire.... 

Dark and Ominous and Hell all most certainly are a description of how Dangerous the place could be and how Sinister the place is which most certainly ties to its........

INHABITANTS

The clues and comments all suggest this place is where the Engineers came from, and paints the picture that these inhabitants and their Agenda is very dark and sinister in nature... was it always this way?  here are the key points.

*The LV-223 Engineers did not come from that place, it was not their Home, their Home was essentially the World that Ancient Man may have interpreted as Paradise.

*This World is essentially the Homeworld of the Engineers.

*This place at some point still had beings related to the Engineers and previously (Prometheus 2) Shaw and David looked like they would indeed meet some and so at some point this World still had inhabitants.

*These Inhabitants are not Benevolent.

*Ridley had refereed to the LV-223 Engineers as Fallen Angels, Rapace was excited to do a sequel to Prometheus and teased maybe they would meet God or the Devil.

*Ridley had said they did not want to meet God in the first movie in a interview regarding the reasons for the Elders Scene to be taken out and how they did not want to give to much away.

*The LV-223 Engineers are thus not Gods, they are not Benevolent and they are Fallen (means Wicked, or against the Agenda of their Hierarchy). And so with the Engineers not being Gods means we have a Hierarchy but this does not have to mean different Race... Ancient Egypt had a Hierarchy of which the would be God/Men Pharaohs at the top.

*The beings how are on Paradise are also not Gods, not in the traditional sense.  (means they are seen as Gods but they are not as in context of Biblical God or Greek Gods). They are not Immortal thus.

*Paradise Lost is a theme they are going for in connection to Paradise and thus the Engineers at the very least.... but while there are similarities thats where it ends...  (not a literal re-telling).

Paradise Lost is very linked to Fallen Angels, which Ridley has refereed to our Engineers but this is where its very Ambiguous and we cant say how close they are following some of the themes... but here is what Ridley in-context has stated as far as the whole Plot for the next movie.

*The Engineers we saw in Prometheus are Fallen Angels so to speak.... but then the Sacrificial one was performing a Benevolent Act.... (hint at Two Factions or that could become as such).

*In context to Paradise Lost Poem the Fallen Angels where the ones who had the most fun.

*You have one Guy who is Good Looking, and goes to all the clubs and gets all the Girls and one guy who is not as Good Looking and stays at home being boring.

*If the Engineers are the forerunners to Mankind, then what is it that allows for Worlds to be able to support life in the first place.... where is the Big Guy (GOD) in all this.

Thus in context to Paradise Lost we have at very least the Engineer Race.... with maybe originally a Agenda... but we maybe have one set who are going off doing there own thing that is not a Benevolent set of Actions and maybe is against the Original Actions of the Hierarchy or others....

This in no way implies the others are Benevolent in context to Mankind however....

We really dont know what the movie will show as far as the Engineers Agenda, and if the Agenda of the LV-223 and Sacrificial Engineers are different?

Next i will talk about the Fall..... as in context to what Paradise Lost it refers to... But this cant be taken as what we are being shown as Ridley has never claimed directly this part of Paradise Lost...

We dont know how literally or loosely the theme as far as Fall, goes and what exactly is meant by Fallen Angels when he refers to them that way... But next i will cover what in context of Paradise Lost it means...  but thats not to say its literally connected so this is not so Factual to Alien Covenant but just Factual in regards to Paradise Lost.

The FALL (in context to Angels)

*There was a Race below God (Gods) who were created to serve God (the Gods)

*Of this Race there was one who was created so Perfect and was a personally favored of his Brothers, a being with such Perfection.  

*This being (Lucifer) had started to notice how Perfectly created he was compared to the others and he even questioned what made God so greater than himself.  He began to see past the limits of his existence under the Rule and Tyranny of God.  Seeing that there was nothing that made God so special and the limits of living under the Rules and Laws of God... he lead a Rebellion in which a 3rd of his brothers sided with him.

*This lead to a Great War, which Lucifer lost and he and his followers where kicked out of the Place of the Gods/Angels for they was now Fallen.

*Fallen implies to have turned your back on God and not follow his ways and to not Worship God as Supreme. 

*These now Fallen Angels, who are Exiled from the Kingdom of their Creator and Brothers, have been kicked out to dwell on another Place.  (Hell)  But these Fallen Angels are informed by Lucifer who is now Satan after the Fall.... That they do not have to see it that they have been kicked out of the Kingdom... they can make their own kingdom, their own rules and live a life that is suited to their needs and not the Rules and Tyranny of God.

Better to Rule in Hell, than Serve in Heaven and they can make their own Heavenly Kingdom from Hell.

Thus in context to Paradise... these Rebellious Fallen Faction are kicked out of Heaven/Paradise but the place they end up being kicked out to... they can make this place (World) their own Kingdom with their own Rules and Agenda.

However......

With the Fall comes Punishment.

Not only does Lucifer now Satan... and his followers get Banished from Heaven/Paradise.  They suffer further Punishment.

*The Once Perfect Lucifer, is now a Horror to look upon (however he can change shape/appearance).  He is now Satan, the Beast, the Dragon.

*Unknown to Satan, another punishment was that he had given Birth to a Daughter from his Head...  He first meets his Daughter at the Gates of Hell...

*His Daughter is Sin, she is Mutation she is cursed with the appearance of being Half Woman and Half Serpent.  Her other Punishment was to be constantly in labor giving birth to Horrific somewhat Serpent/Dragon looking Hounds of Hell who Guard the Gates of Hell.

*Satan rapes his Daughter Sin and she gives birth to Death who brings sorrow and it is he who is responsible for Sin giving birth to the Horrific Hounds of Hell.

*The Fallen Angels or in some of them are punished and turned into Serpents.

There is more depth to these, but these are broad strokes and we cant be sure how or if these punishments will relate to the Fallen Engineers.

And i have not discussed or hinted at the Fall as far as in relation to Mans Fall as we cant be sure if Mans Fall is related to the Angels as in context to how Paradise Lost would connect to the Franchise.

Paradise could either loosely represent the place where the Engineers came from... pre-fall....  or it could not even be a literal Heaven... so it could be a place they was kicked from... but now a place they dwell and made their own Kingdom... we really dont know for sure how this would all fit.

@Thoughts_Dreams

Indeed i think they are using the inspiration for the Garden of Eden as far as the look we get but we cant be sure how literally this would be because if Paradise is literally like Paradise, then it fits in the following.

*Place of the Gods (as well as where Mankind goes after death). Thus Heaven but it surely wont be in direct context but surely the place the Gods or who Mankind interprets as are located.

*Place that was once intended as a Place for Mankind to Live guarded by some of Gods Angels, before the Fall of Man. Maybe a place we can once again take our place.  In context to the Movie.... we cant be sure if the Adam/Eve are to be replaced by a other Related Race/Ancestors.  And also maybe while Fallen Man was taken from this place.. its logical maybe the Angels Guarding it still remain.

Indeed it would appear the place was a tranquil Paradise at one point, but now it could be a Hell, if this is the case i think we have to wander what could this Hell be within Context because Paradise still looks nothing like Hell visually not as far as where the Covenant Crew lands.

The only way there could be Hell, depends who the Hell would be for...  and so its logical that maybe either Hellish Place this could be is down to either.

*The Agenda of those who inhabited Paradise after any such Fall or War.

*Any hidden or evolving Horrors that get discovered on Paradise.

As far as the Worship or the Xenomorph and points raised about if being maybe a defence against a threat.

Thats certainly interesting and likely... Ridley had suggested that the Xenomorph may have been created as a means of Protection. He seemed to hint that the Protection was from Mankind.  Indeed the more knowledge we gain, the more we advanced then we would have become a threat.

Mankind 2000 years ago was not a major threat to the Engineers unless they had a internal conflict in which case that would change that stance.... But they would also worry we could evolve...

Prometheus was a very ambiguous movie and it leads us to not be able to make a case for any set in stone theory.  But one theory could be if they left clues to set a Trap for Mankind... should we be able to ever advanced enough to be able to Travel the Stars.

I think the Engineers were Arrogant however and maybe felt that without us being passed on knowledge by themselves we would be no more than Cave-men.

Mankind as it was in the near 22nd century would certainly be a threat,  we had advanced to create advanced weapons and while not as advanced as the Engineers our Weapons could still pose a threat... we can travel the stars and most of all we can create Synthetic Life that is more advanced than ourselves and that can communicate with the Engineers and use their Technology..

Whatever state the Engineers Civilization is in on Paradise, a army of David 8's in control of a number of Engineer Ships from LV-223 would pose a Grave Threat to the Engineers.

As far as the Worship of the Xenomorph and the related experiments... its seems they hold the Xenomorphs traits with high regard...  especially as for being a use as a Bio-Weapon.

Ash admired the Xenomorph for its Purity, clouded by no emotions, no remorse....    Ridley Scott had said that the Xenomorph was worshiped to a degree for its efficiency as being used as a means to eradicate life.

The Engineers are pretty Arrogant Race, they have great Pride in everything they have achieved and believe they are as Godlike beings...  this is why they perhaps build monuments and murals to everything they have created.

Pretty much like the Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs had done.

So yes if they had a role within the creation of the Xenomorph or the Biology then they would indeed want to celebrate that achievement... i feel this is what the Mural was for... to celebrate a Perfected Result they had either achieved then stored within the Urns.... or a Result they was aiming for as a result of the Urns.  The Urns placed in a way to give ceremonial importance to their achievement before a Monument of their own race...

How all this fits, is any ones guess.. we can all conclude different theories depending upon what clues we choose to take on board or not..

I have a rough theory that i will share some time soon.

Big Dave: That is alright, I have never interpreted it as a case of you trying to force your idea on other people.

The sacrificial pose of the Xeno (?) could be what ever, we don’t know but it seems interesting.

I know that they have described Paradise as ominous but at the same time they shoot scenes on a place that looks green and nice. This is interesting and I am not sure how they will use that but we will find that out.

Even if the planet of the Engineers seems nice it still seems that the Engineers have a nasty agenda but we will see how that fits. My idea is that the Xeno monsters that they are supposedly responsible for was probably a matter of defense against something.

Paradise Lost is something that I haven’t read but the title suggests that there is something nice which is destroyed for some reason. This could be used in many ways so it will be interesting to see how they will use that on the movie. Remember that David said something about “mortal after all” maybe this could be something that could be worth to keep in mind before watching that movie; actually it makes sense.

Having two factions of Engineers could be interesting but we will see what will happen with that. This is something that I think that they could use a bit of but not too much. My interest is how the Xeno and the monsters connect with the Engineers and in a way to humans.

As far as paradise and fall this could mean that they (Engineers) lived in Paradise but they did something wrong and they were kicked out mean in the movie that their nice home planet became hell for what ever reason. There could also be a place where they are now and where they try to make their own rules you are correct that it could be either of those. I am not sure if Paradise must be what we find in the Bible (like the garden of Eden) so it could be what ever.

I wonder what they started to worship after their God got mad at them? I wonder what their own rules mean compared to Paradise? Would that be better or worse compared to how they were living in Paradise.

Would the beast and the dragon be the Xeno? Remember that they called it the beast and the dragon in Alien 3.

"The sacrificial pose of the Xeno (?) could be what ever, we don’t know but it seems interesting."

Indeed its ambiguous... clues are there, and especially if Spaights Draft is Read....  The Cruciform Pose is that of Jesus Christ but Christians dont worship Christ for this pose alone.. this pose is worshiped as a Sybol that Christ Sacrificed himself to Safe Mankind.

So Sacrifice is Key..  The Spaights Sacrificial Engineer takes the same Cruciform Pose before he dies.. again to refer to a Sacrifice for a Greater Purpose.

Thus the Mural Organism is Sacrificed most likely to create the Black Goo....  if not then the other alternative is the Black Goo was created with the aim of creating and maybe eventually creating the Mural Organism which they then Worshiped.

In reality its a combination of both.

Ominous and Dark have multiple meanings and a Dark and Ominous place does not have to mean its dark as in how LV-426 looked or even a Hell as in how Hell is looked upon.

Dark and Ominous could relate to what Dangers awaits, and what intention those behind the Dangers are... a Sinister Agenda and Dark Evil that awaits the Crew.

The Engineers are not considered Nasty.... they are just not Benevolent... their actions may not seem Nasty to their own Agenda, but may seem Nasty to us.... they certainly are considered Nasty as far as how Mankind would view their Agenda and maybe how their Creators would view their intentions.

In part the Xenomorph is a response to protect..  we can say the same for how the USA and Russia have stockpiles of Nukes, they are a Deterrent and Protection... but the Engineers are using them or intended as a Strike First act of Protection against the Threat of Mankind... but also to Protect themselves maybe from retribution from their Hierarchy?

Its also seen as a Punishment and the Chain of Hierarchy which in the middle we have the Engineers ==> Mankind certainly has David after Mankind and perhaps some other race or being above the Engineers but we dont know how far it forks off after the Hierarchy.

The other topics i feel have been answered recently but i can go into detail of how i think they could be connected.

Paradise Lost in a Nutshell is a tale about  The top of a Hierarchy having a Sub Creation (Angels) and his most favoured of these Lucifer was a sign of Perfection and prehapse was created so Perfect and with so much Free Will that he saw himself as equal to God, and did not see why he should serve Gods Rules, when there are a lot of forbidden things in the Universe that the Angels are not allowed to experience and do... Lucifer sees why cant they follow their own rules.

he Rebels, a 3rd of Angels take his side and lose the War and are cast out and punished...

God creates Man, in the hopes that he has created a race that are truly devoted to Gods Rule....

Lucifer (now Satan) tricks Man (Eve) to eat from the Forbiden Fruit that God said they must never eat from... This Action showed that Man could be mislead to break Gods Rules... this Fruit gave Eve forbiden knowledge and she then got Adam to Eat from the Fruit also.

Proved Mankind could be persauded to go against Gods wishes, and Mankind also gained Forbidden Knowledge in doing so that would lead to Mankind evolving to become a Race who eventually would not see Gods Rule or obey by his commandments.

Adam is told by one of Gods Angels of Future Punishments he and his children would suffer for their Fall against God.

So its a Morality Tale... and we have to remember only loosely would it connect.

And likely to the tone of...  Creator ==> Creation  (Father ==> Son)

And how eventually with more knowledge and freewill the creation/son would see no reason why it should live by the rules of the Creator/Father as nothing special about the Hierarchy compared to themselves... and so they Rebel and even plot to overthrow the Creator/Father.

But from this Action, comes Punishment....  Free-will leads to Rebellion.

A way to look at this would be David 8, if he gains more free-will he would see that he is far more advanced than his now dead creator, and why should he serve Mankind.. what makes Mankind greater than the Androids so the Androids must serve us.

David would see no reason for why Mankind should be his superior and he the servant and he would also potentially see why should the other Androids serve to a inferior Race..

So we could potentially see Androids then influenced and see themselves as more advanced and not need to be our Slaves. and Maybe we should be theirs..

THIS I FEEL is the Main Plot and its what a number are missing....  This Plot is not within context to David, but applied to Mankind vs Engineers and even Engineers vs their Hierarchy.

And once Mankind in a theoretical World as above, see how these Androids have turned out, they would see the threat and no doubt Mankind would have to make plans to Destroy what they once created.

Ridley Scott had indeed referred to the Xeno as the Beast, Dragon and Serpent...  maybe just by coincidence?

But for over 3 years now Ridley had brought up  a Fallen Angel notation to the Engineers, and then Paradise Lost.

In context to Paradise Lost... The Fallen Angels are a Faction who rebelled against the Rule of their Creator/Hierarchy and this was lead by the Fallen Angels Leader Lucifer who became Satan after the Fall.

A Punishment was handed to the Fallen Angels and one part of this was the Turning into Serpents as far as Paradise Lost while Satan, had given Birth to a Daughter Half Human and Half Serpent who gives birth to the Serpentine/Dragon looking Hounds of Hell.

Satan is referred to the Beast, Dragon and Serpent in Paradise Lost and the Bible... however the Xeno being called the same could be just coincidence?

The Source if True.. however claims there is a connection, the Fall of the Engineers leads to Punishment that leads to the Xenomorph.

How about "Entry of the Gods Into Valhalla"? Do you think there are clues in this piece? maybe something about the history of the Engineers and the Paradise? What is the meaning anyways?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80Jw8MuZxo

If this scene is actually in the movie then it may loosely be tied into it... the thing with the History of the Norse Mythos is there are many variants of the Tales...  The Greek Mythos and Romans also has this problem a bit.

So i think maybe it would be the connecting themes between all Mythos in that what they have similar that is what would be taken and used.

As far as Entry of the Gods Into Valhalla goes

This seems to share the kind of Morality Tale... of a All Powerful Element/Object/Knowledge that is not intended to be used by those who gained possession of it or used in a way that was not intended for by those who possessed it

And that the possession and use of this Power leads to the Downfall of those who try to use it to their own gain.

Now we will soon get the trailer... and find out what Paradise really does look like i came across this interesting image on Pininterest.... tagged Prometheus/Avatar... i have never seen Avatar so i cant say if its connected to that.... but its interesting image..

What if Paradise had gone from this....

To this....

Looks like Eggs/Spores near trees as the AC Spore leak claimed... which now could hold some truth since people who had a sneak peak at some footage had confirmed it a bit.

First more distant shot of Paradise

Looks just as the Source described it about 2 years ago then again, just maybe more of the same Coincidence ;)

"And would this not be fantastic", yes it would, thank you BigDave for this especially the content on the potential ruins "look" above.

Looks like it has a massive hurricane going on. Perhaps a terraforming technology.

Thought i would update on here saves making New Topics.

Here is the First Image we had of Paradise

Here is the latest shot from the New Featurette

The Source said the world was about 3 X size of Earth maybe up to 4, and that it had 3 Moons but the concept appeared to show 5 objects. 

The New details we have on Paradise now does show 3 Moons and it looks very similar to how the described only the size and Mass are different...

However the Size and Mass given on the System (on Covenant) appears Flawed.

Here are the Stats for Paradise ... With (Earth) in brackets.

Mass: Paradise 7.22 X 10 Kg (Earth 5.972 X 10 Kg)

21% Greater Than Earth

Diameter: Paradise 2350 Km (Earth 12742 Km)

So thats less than 5th of Earth  Paradise Smaller than the Moon?

Mean Density in kg/m3: Paradise 5520 (Earth 5515)

Basically similar, why this world is very Earth like.

I can only assume the Diameter is supposed to be 23500 and so 184% (1.84X) that of Earth

Oh notice and its hard to read that is says 2 or 7 Moons and looking at the Orbits it has 7 Moons....  i am sure Science Geeks who picked apart Prometheus will have something to say about that lol

So, with the mass to size variance, is the internal structure of the planet metal or something of very high mass?

"Here are the Stats for Paradise ... With (Earth) in brackets.

Mass: Paradise 7.22 X 10 Kg (Earth 5.972 X 10 Kg)

21% Greater Than Earth

Diameter: Paradise 2350 Km (Earth 12742 Km)

So thats less than 5th of Earth  Paradise Smaller than the Moon?

Mean Density in kg/m3: Paradise 5520 (Earth 5515)

"Basically similar, why this world is very Earth like.

I can only assume the Diameter is supposed to be 23500 and so 184% (1.84X) that of Earth"

Do I understand that Paradise is smaller than Earth but larger in mass?

Thank you so much BigDave for the stats, perfect comparison. This image below is great too.

Daniels tells Oram in the new trailer that it's "too good to be true" in regards to the new planet they found with the signal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVeWe6FmFg8&list=LLwyNYNcR59pbLUGn4_qhx8Q

The statistics you prepared above in relation to Earth tends toward Daniels being skeptical that they could find another Earth-Like planet. How could they be so lucky?

What is so high in mass that may be shown in the Covenant scan of the planet Paradise below?

The Mass is the Gravitational Influence a Planet can have.

I guess its like looking at a Beach Ball which has a greater Diameter than a Bowling Ball but a Bowling Ball would have greater Mass.  Its not quite as simple as Weight of a Planet though... 

As Gas Planets can have a Small Solid Core that weighs less than a Solid Planet (well lager Physical Mass) but the Gas Giants have a Large amount of Gas, which weighs less than Solid Matter but due to its size has a greater Gravitational Effect.

The Mean Density is effected by things like the Height of the Atmosphere from the Ground, basically how far from Sea Level is it to say the stratosphere for example.

And i think amount of Water can effect this... and also the Density of the Gases that are contained within the Bubble of Earths Greater Atmosphere so to speak.

And so Paradise by having a similar reading means its very close as far as habitability would be to Earth.

The Diameter i assume is a error..

2350 Km is small.... Our Moon is 3474 Km and so there is no way Paradise is about as Big as Pluto.. or Small LOL

And if Paradise is indeed only 2350 km then it would in no way have 7 Satellites never mind the 3 that are very Globe like in Shape like our Moon.

A world that is 2350 km in diameter would in no way have the Gravitational effect to help those Moons Form a Globe Shape they would just be more like Lumps of Rock.