Another undeciphered distress call?

If RS decides to throw out continuity, then anything goes and there's no baseline to start from. Hard to determine what is reasonable or not. If Alien and Prometheus are any indicators, we are all thinking way too hard about this anyway. Minimalist efficiency seems to be how these stories get told.'

Indeed, but that's the fun bit ;) lol

I agree though.  I think as a fan of the these films and, more importantly to me, being hooked by the mystery and intrigue the whole saga presents it seems very important that RS and the writers tie all this up in a satisfactory way that maintains continuity with events and ideas from within the franchise (mainly films for me but also consider the viral stuff useful - comics not so much but that's just my opinion).

I agree with SM here:  Going off what we see so far they are two very different engineers ships.  I highly doubt Paradise is LV426.

If I were a betting man I'd stick a week's wages on it ;)  

Again, if I were to lose that hypothetical bet then I would seriously question the continuity to the point where it would affect my enjoyment and engagement with the films.

@Deep Space 

Yeah, when you say "I know all this stuff. happened before, but f*** it we're gonna do our own thing" you get Alien Resurrection. Not a complete waste of time, but it just didn't feel like a real Alien film to me. Cloning is as bad a cop out as a hypersleep dream or time travel, if you ask me.

I agree, they're different 

Ladies & Gents,

Derelict does NOT have a mountain behind it. Note in Aliens the Jordens found entry into it with a section broken from a lava flow.  Here are images to support.

No Mountain There.

Definitely no mountain there.

Regards,

Rick

@Rick

Great pics, thanks!

what's funny is that in Aliens the extension with the hammerhead had damage to it ( maybe from the crash ) and in this pic there is none.  Also.....

they also said in Aliens it was somewhat buried in Lava and may have been said in Alien but I cant remember.(someone could correct me on that)

hmmm can't say I'm convinced.

"what's funny is that in Aliens the extension with the hammerhead had damage to it ( maybe from the crash ) and in this pic there is none.  Also.....

they also said in Aliens it was somewhat buried in Lava and may have been said in Alien but I cant remember.(someone could correct me on that)"

The damage occurred to the Derelict between 2122 and 2179 (post 2137 to be more precise), from a lava flow according to Cameron.

lava flow....like from a volcano?

Perhaps this dark mass faintly seen through the fog in both pictures is the volcano

Looks like the sun shining through fog.  Sunlight would be blocked by a mountain.

Hello Friends im new here to the AC forum! I've been reading all of your wonderful theories as to what we will see and could possibly see in AC and it's sequel(s) And I have to say coming and reading all the great ideas everyday is my daily and fun ritual! So thank you for sharing all of your wonderful thoughts! On that note this thread along with many others intrigues me. 

@QueenElizabethShaw 

ive been playing a lot on the Alienmovies.com website with MU/TH/UR yesterday I came across this...When I typed in "Planet Paradise" I got this...LV-426!!!

Pretty interesting don't you think? Please other members what do you all think this could mean? Since I'm new here forgive me if someone has already posted about asking MUTHUR this Query. 

Thoughts anyone? 

That's certainly interesting, but that site has some bugs. For instance, some people who typed in "Shaw" got a bio for Jonesy the cat.

Courtney Estrada

Yea I just got the same thing. I also got it when I typed "PLANET P"

I did not get it when I typed "PLANET" or when I typed "PARADISE" by themselves

S.M,

How do we know the sun is shining from behind the Derelict through the mist and not shining at the mist from the front end?

Also are you going to explain where the lava came from? I didn't see any in Alien or Aliens and I don't see any in the pictures.

Since both of those pictures are publicity stills and not in the film, it's ultimately neither here nor there.

As for where the lava came from - tectonic activity I suspect.  You'd need to ask James Cameron if you wanted more precise detail though.

Regarding the ships- I don't see a significant enough difference to determine if it is the same ship. I would think the ships were made the same way on LV223. Different military vehicles look similar but have some alterations for different functions, but I just don't think that is the case here. Can I prove it? No.

I also think the mountain may be a coincidence. Again, I have no way of confirming. I have a tough time believing they went that deep in the weeds on detail for this.

the impression I got from alien was the derelict crashed due to an alien bursting out the pilot and the acid hole was created by that alien.

I would doubt shaw sent the message,if david has been experimenting then shaws character doesn't come across as the type to want more people to come to that environment, she seems more the type to sacrifice herself so others wont come to any risk.even if the company send people to investigate a warning message theyd be landing on lv223 first. its more likely david who has sent the message, for what ends I don't know. either more people to experiment on or to see what will happen when they become exposed to the infected planets plants and his experiments. he may be wanting off the planet to return home and see how his experiments adapt to earth. I believe david may have a form of hatred for humans or he believes he is the next form of evolution.because humans have created him 'coz we could', he has taken it upon himself to become the creator of something

I believe paradise is lv 426 pre nuked or pre cataclysm event..the shots and places convey the idea the derelict is the same..if its on purpose or not i dont know but would be a lot of coincidences .

I really dont like the idea the derelict from lv 426 is thousands years old. 

Humans spawn classic xenos from the same eggs we see in the derelict.

However archer will spawn a protoxeno from a egg in covenant.

So...either they tell us that they first engineered a queen that layed all those eggs in the cargo for them to take to earth or other planet thousands of years ago and this has a flaw..because we spawned a queen in alien 3 and 4 so they needed us to create the so called perfect organism?come on i dont buy it...or they just made eggs...and that for me its dumb as fuck and bigger flaw. Aliens is a reality.queen makes the eggs...we were educated to see that hierarchy of events.

Would be logical for me the another top hierarchy alien creature who is even more ascient and mighty was the true origin..so the queen we know is a variation of a human spawned xeno.

However that derelict in lv 426 has classic xeno eggs..so how does it has thousands of years old??

Plus let us not forget...of a facehugger got the space jockey...whatever spawned from it was the ultramorph..so where the guck is the ultramorph? Dead because thousands of years old since the crash? Again i hate that idea..its either very poor decisions on prometheus making or we gonna be educated that the derelict its not thousands of years old indeed and we gonna see what happened.

If not and they go with thousands of years old derelict..then my friends i dont see the logic in a lot of things and i will end hating what comes next.

remember the queen was not the way ridley wanted to go, the directors cut of alien is the way he wanted to go with humans becoming eggs, the queen is camerons idea and the way he went with it.its the old chicken or the egg question tho

Ridley actually LIKES the queen concept. In the commentary on the Alien special edition he just says that the queen doesn't rule out egg morphing. Both can be true.

ali81

I will say, at this point, I think your average viewer who isn't a die hard fan but just enjoys the franchise would probably be turned off if egg morphing was introduced these days (and I think Ridley knows that)

Bringing egg morphing into the picture could be a high risk move. I think Ridley is attempting to reach a wider audience with these films and don't see him putting success on the line to resurrect an unused concept like egg morphing when he's already asking the viewer to understand black goo, the difference between neomorphs and xeno morphs, trilobites vs facehuggers, etc. If your average viewer sees some egg morphing in AC the reaction will likely be something like 

"wait what? I thought the eggs came from a Queen.

Oh you are telling me if there is no queen, a drone can just spin up an egg out of a little goop and a body? Yeeeeah that's dumb. This movie is dumb"

Exactly.^^ plus for me david..or not...making the proto egg for the proto xeno in covenant its already a bit dumb...because we have aliens movie..that scene where ripley looks back..and see the queen laying the eggs is one of the best scenes in film history..and its the big reveal..." ohh so the eggs came from there" so we think...a queen spawns from the space jockey melts the ground and lay the eggs thousands of years ago on the derelict crashed in lv426...ok i could buy that....but then it wasnt ...the eggs are cargo..well the eggs are not proto eggs are classic xeno ones...so engineers created the queen(perfect organism) and used them for laying eggs..the queen was created from black goo chemical mixed with the original beast...i could buy that also...what i dont buy at all is that the perfect organism is being replicated by david..and its not a queen...so the queen aleatory spawns after...that for me is a bit dumb concept.considering the education the movies gave us.

Unless we have....

Xeno spawn from eggs but a queen can only be impregnated...wich by previous movies they impregnate normal xeno too..and conveys its aleatory process again..so we are left in the same spot..a big mess of concepts they cant fix.

If david is in fact trying to make the classic xeno and using humans for it..because classic xeno is the final product. Why its it the perfect organism? I dont buy it.

Deacon would be more perfect..as its a god spawned xeno.so they keep messing the ideas to a point where wont be no return as a die hard alien fan to buy it

 The Deacon would likely have spawned from a human just as same as it did from an Engineer.

Given the similarities in our genetics espoused in prometheus I'm inclined to agree with S.M.

It would likely have come out one of us sooner given the size difference, but fundamentally the same.

Tiago_miami_la

You just presented me with perhaps the only way I MIGHT be willing to buy the introduction of egg morphing.

If Ridley and the writers decide to present the natural xeno method of reproduction as egg morphing (thus giving all xenos the power to reproduce) and then write the queen to be a product of dipping a xeno in black goo (thus making Queen's ovipositor method the black goo induced turbo version of xeno reproduction) I wouldn't hate it as much as if they just say "oh yea egg morphing is the species natural failsafe in case there's no queens around"

I like the idea that the queen is the product of souping up a xeno with black goo and then as a result, more queens naturally arise out of her lineage.

That being said, I do still think Ridley would find egg morphing is too risky to introduce in these films.

For exemple could buy a theory that theres no protoxeno...thats the real egg and thats the real alien..but they blend with the environment they are...so in a spaceship...tubes and mechs....in a forest they get the current appearence..but this would clash with what we have seen before..we always saw them that way

QueenElizabethShaw

Thats the only way i also see egg morphing. They turn their victim in egg morph process...i can also see a queen being responsible for law and order within the hive..so at some point wheres enough resources and workers the organism spawns a queen to lead. I also only believe the xeno is more advanced then deacon if david makes the egg with shaws ovaries help..and infuse engineer dna and goo on her while shes in hyper sleep..so it has god dna i could buy that..more evolved.

Altho i have a very strong feeling that the king will be canon in next alien movie 5 and that 3 and 4 will be made canon by making ripley waking up from her hyper sleep stasis nightmare.it was all a dream..hicks and newt are still alive.and space jockeys are a race that time space travel the universe wich explains mural and lv 426 derelict That would do it for me witouth screwing stuff even more xD

I really hate the king concept in general. The sculpture is beautiful, but there is no logical role for a king to play in a hive society. An Ur-Queen or high queen, if you will, I can get behind, but not a king. Not in this context.

Egg morphing doesn't bother me as a temporary fix until a queen is born, but black goo has nothing to do with making Queens unless alien 3 really is a hypersleep dream. I'm actually not opposed to that since cloning is just as lazy as a dream, to me.

Yeah as things stand, Kings don't serve any purpose.