Xeno tail wrapped around a leg in Alien and AC

Yeah I could sort of see it given the fact that camera really liked to zoom in and focus in the xeno tail in Alien for some reason.

Weaver stated in the "making of Alien" from 2002 that "you never knew if it was going to kill you or f*** you" 

that's the point im getting at. a theory there is infact some form of gender/ sexuality/ reproduction within the xeno stage, whatever form it may take as although the hugger is a form of 'penal reproductive organ' for that stage in the life cycle, maybe the queen is impregnated at the earlier stage to produce the eggs. could be as wrong as I could be right, but the scenes suggest sexuality in a form, wether its brett as pointed out to me or lambert, the xeno to me is clearly 'curious' and if there is no such thing like I have suggested then those scenes make absolutely no sense and if its just for another form of killing it victim, which directors do, its been done before and isn't as interesting, IMO

I am not so sure about if we would go the sexualized route... i know a lot of HE Gigers works were very sexual and perverted that included sex with Bio-Mechanical Beings, and Machinery.

Who knows... i would be willing to consider only the Aliens movies as a clue which Alien can be too... And i would assume the Sting on the Tail is merely a way to subdue a Host to be carried off so the Xenomorph can use it for its method of Procreation..

Simply the Tail is to Stun its victims.... but it also can be used in a more harsh manner to actually cause serious damage too.

the tail being used like a stinger was done then dropped and would be good I think, id have preferred to have seen Gorman stung than just knocked out by boxes. im sure if ridley is going to go down a more indepth 'giger' toned route then hel reveal a bit more in the film and hopefully not just pay homage to the lambert death scene.

Maybe the "tail between legs" scenes are just that, suggestive. To play with viewers minds. Deep within we're all little "dirtbags". ;)

In regards to "eggs and sperm" I don't know. There's a reason why nature invented genders, it's called diversity. Wich makes species more resistant and leads to evolution through mutation.

However, following Jon Spaiths script the xenos are a engineered species. Question is if the "laws" of nature fully apply to them. Their sole purpose is to kill.

But what is a sperm? In human terms it's single cell organism with a long tail with only one task, find an ovum (egg) and merge with it. By doing so it vanishes, kinda dying leaving its DNA with the ovum. Sounds utterly like a facehugger, no?

What if the facehugger is an pevertly overized sperm cell and the host is the ovum? But what would that make the queen? A king who poops out his testicles? The ovopositor is actually penis?  I can hear ya shouting "BLASPHEMY!" already. ;P

But what would that make the queen? A king who poops out his testicles?

Well, yeah kind of ;)

As SM says, within the realms of the alien universe I don't think we can view them by our standards unless seen as 'bastardised' ones.  

My feeling was the tail in ALIEN was not actually doing anything to Lambert or Brett other than majorly creeping them out.  I like the idea of a stinger though.  I think the sexual tone was inferred to play with the audience as suggested above and probably inspired by the Giger themes.

To new audiences it’s just horror, I suppose. To us who loved the original film it’s of course a reminder of the tail sneaking behind the terrified Lambert. I see/saw the tail just as a means for the beast to grab the paralyzed (of fear) victim and pull it towards its jaws or claws . . .

"u don't have to assign human characteristics to the alien to come up with this theory, its a theory based on nature and if the xeno is an ancient race, which has been theorised, and not engineered then it could follow such natural traits. "

The natural traits of an Alien involve facehugger implants host = Alien. They don't go around impregnating anyone with their tail.

"What if the facehugger is an pevertly overized sperm cell and the host is the ovum?"

That's more or less, the case.

The "American" xeno's tails could impale their victims, because f*** yeah I guess. 

Ol' Big Chap was a rather more sophisticated fellow. 

Interesting if the xeno would be an old race, S.M (which is suggested by the mural) and not engineered. It would then be like in Jurassic Park - waking up a dinosaur with primordial instincts.  

Hey dk did others take over your forum lol

We have to remember the idea was something very Alien... and so we cant really compare it to much on Earth.

Star Beast and Alien had it that the Organism Starts off as a Egg that carries a Face Hugger Stage.... this (Face Hugger) latches onto a Host and implants a Embryo.. that Gestates inside and then grows to a Chest Buster, where it breaks out of the Chest (or other places) or its Host.

This Organism goes through some growth stages until its a Adult and then it can Mutate/Evolve Morph a Hosts Genetic Material to  Metamorphosize the Host into a Egg and start the whole Process again....

Aliens changed this with the Hive and Queen, and so we have to look at his example of being a bit similar to a Queen Ant, Bee or Termite maybe all in a loose context.

Certain Environments, Certain Nutrition or other influencing factors can determine if a Egg becomes a Queen Face Huger. Is maybe a logical way to see it... but i dont think its been explained really maybe SM knows how a Queen comes from a Egg.

The other way is that the Queen was already around in some other place... but what if that Queen died? It would have to have some other means to procreate and thus bring about a new Queen.

If we Merge Alien and Aliens ideas... then a likely explanation i have covered a bit before and the other day too..

Drone... can evolve a Host into a Queen Egg, that either has a Queen Embryo carrying Face Hugger, or a Queen Juvenile Stage Organism inside.

Thats the short version..

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All good. It is interesting to see so many perspectives.

Yeah i know. lots of fascinating things said here.

But there are other ways to procreate...

Some Organisms can reproduce

*Parthenogenesis  were Eggs can become Embryos without Fertilization but they gain traits from the Mother... i would assume the Queen uses this kind of Asexual Reproduction.

Gamete (Dioecious) Reproduction is when no mating occurs but Eggs and Sperm are released usually into Water and they then combine together to create Fertilization. Some Organisms can have both sexual organs or at very least produce Sperm and eggs. But i dont think they can Fertilize each other. So is more like..

Hermaphrodite Reproduction is when a Organism has no sex or is dual sexed usually and in many they can either act as the Female or Male... but in other cases they can act as both.... It is likely the Hammerpedes are like this if they are based off Worms.. and So it would need TWO Organisms as a Hermaphrodite can not Fertilize its own Eggs. So Worm A and B Mate and both Worm A and B then have Fertilized Eggs.

But there are many more ways to procreate and some get very strange when we go to microbes and under water Organisms..  I will cover the Xeno and  Echinodermata possible link some other time.  These Organisms can procreate in a whole manner of ways.... one is also similar to...

Cabbages... yes back to my Cabbage post some Organisms and Plants can Procreate by simply cloning itself from body parts or dead material.   A Cabbage for example can be broken up and smashed up and thrown to the ground and end up shredded into say 12 pieces... Each of these pieces can Clone itself and produce a Whole New Cabbage from each part.

Sounds Alien... but its true and a number of other Organisms can do the same... especially certain Echinoderm/Cystoidea

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"but i dont think its been explained really maybe SM knows how a Queen comes from a Egg."

It's never been solidly established how a Queen comes to be, beyond it happening at the egg/ hugger stage.

Thanks for that SM

i thought it was never touched upon...

I will assume its a case of environmental factors and pheromones or something that can trigger a Egg to Produce a Queen... unless they go for the Drone ==> Egg Morph to Queen.

But its a case of will we ever know? 

I think there is a chance that Blomkamps Alien 5 if it comes to light could show us... as i feel Ridley could be trying to keep somethings secret.

S.M-

I thought a queen came from a royal face hugger. That was suggested from Alien 3 Special Edition. There was a brief shot of its dead body in that movir- it was bigger and the fingers were webbed.

If it was ever going to be addressed in a film my bet would be in Blomkamp's film.

what if, as BD suggested and I have touched on, its something based on a creature here?? the writers may have taken references from our own natural world. theory..... theyr hive is much the same basic make up as a bee colont. the xenos r all female and all have the ability to be a queen. at the beginning either the first to be born automatically becomes a queen OR if there r several they fight and the last one standing takes the throne. it is clear the xeno molts and what if after bursting through theyr host they find a quiet location to molt but it is this stage that determines if theyl be a queen or not. in bee colonies the queen secretes a pheromone that supresses the others ability to produce eggs and become a queen. if no such pheromone is present at the molting stage then the xeno becomes a queen (remember in alien ridley was going with the morphing concept not the queen concept). if there is already a queen then the infant xeno picks up on the pheromone and molts into a plain xeno. by law of averages if it is determined by the type of hugger then there would be at least some eggs laid where the hugger would produce a queen. if the queen has the ability to control the types of eggs laid and only lays xeno-huggers, then what happens to the colony if the queen is killed? she is the matriarch and brings order to the hive. if there were no eggs laid the would result in a new queen then id guess the hive would eventually die off. this would be solved if like bees, all xenos were potential queens.