Xeno tail wrapped around a leg in Alien and AC

Hey dk did others take over your forum lol

We have to remember the idea was something very Alien... and so we cant really compare it to much on Earth.

Star Beast and Alien had it that the Organism Starts off as a Egg that carries a Face Hugger Stage.... this (Face Hugger) latches onto a Host and implants a Embryo.. that Gestates inside and then grows to a Chest Buster, where it breaks out of the Chest (or other places) or its Host.

This Organism goes through some growth stages until its a Adult and then it can Mutate/Evolve Morph a Hosts Genetic Material to  Metamorphosize the Host into a Egg and start the whole Process again....

Aliens changed this with the Hive and Queen, and so we have to look at his example of being a bit similar to a Queen Ant, Bee or Termite maybe all in a loose context.

Certain Environments, Certain Nutrition or other influencing factors can determine if a Egg becomes a Queen Face Huger. Is maybe a logical way to see it... but i dont think its been explained really maybe SM knows how a Queen comes from a Egg.

The other way is that the Queen was already around in some other place... but what if that Queen died? It would have to have some other means to procreate and thus bring about a new Queen.

If we Merge Alien and Aliens ideas... then a likely explanation i have covered a bit before and the other day too..

Drone... can evolve a Host into a Queen Egg, that either has a Queen Embryo carrying Face Hugger, or a Queen Juvenile Stage Organism inside.

Thats the short version..

ninXeno426-

All good. It is interesting to see so many perspectives.

Yeah i know. lots of fascinating things said here.

But there are other ways to procreate...

Some Organisms can reproduce

*Parthenogenesis  were Eggs can become Embryos without Fertilization but they gain traits from the Mother... i would assume the Queen uses this kind of Asexual Reproduction.

Gamete (Dioecious) Reproduction is when no mating occurs but Eggs and Sperm are released usually into Water and they then combine together to create Fertilization. Some Organisms can have both sexual organs or at very least produce Sperm and eggs. But i dont think they can Fertilize each other. So is more like..

Hermaphrodite Reproduction is when a Organism has no sex or is dual sexed usually and in many they can either act as the Female or Male... but in other cases they can act as both.... It is likely the Hammerpedes are like this if they are based off Worms.. and So it would need TWO Organisms as a Hermaphrodite can not Fertilize its own Eggs. So Worm A and B Mate and both Worm A and B then have Fertilized Eggs.

But there are many more ways to procreate and some get very strange when we go to microbes and under water Organisms..  I will cover the Xeno and  Echinodermata possible link some other time.  These Organisms can procreate in a whole manner of ways.... one is also similar to...

Cabbages... yes back to my Cabbage post some Organisms and Plants can Procreate by simply cloning itself from body parts or dead material.   A Cabbage for example can be broken up and smashed up and thrown to the ground and end up shredded into say 12 pieces... Each of these pieces can Clone itself and produce a Whole New Cabbage from each part.

Sounds Alien... but its true and a number of other Organisms can do the same... especially certain Echinoderm/Cystoidea

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"but i dont think its been explained really maybe SM knows how a Queen comes from a Egg."

It's never been solidly established how a Queen comes to be, beyond it happening at the egg/ hugger stage.

Thanks for that SM

i thought it was never touched upon...

I will assume its a case of environmental factors and pheromones or something that can trigger a Egg to Produce a Queen... unless they go for the Drone ==> Egg Morph to Queen.

But its a case of will we ever know? 

I think there is a chance that Blomkamps Alien 5 if it comes to light could show us... as i feel Ridley could be trying to keep somethings secret.

S.M-

I thought a queen came from a royal face hugger. That was suggested from Alien 3 Special Edition. There was a brief shot of its dead body in that movir- it was bigger and the fingers were webbed.

If it was ever going to be addressed in a film my bet would be in Blomkamp's film.

what if, as BD suggested and I have touched on, its something based on a creature here?? the writers may have taken references from our own natural world. theory..... theyr hive is much the same basic make up as a bee colont. the xenos r all female and all have the ability to be a queen. at the beginning either the first to be born automatically becomes a queen OR if there r several they fight and the last one standing takes the throne. it is clear the xeno molts and what if after bursting through theyr host they find a quiet location to molt but it is this stage that determines if theyl be a queen or not. in bee colonies the queen secretes a pheromone that supresses the others ability to produce eggs and become a queen. if no such pheromone is present at the molting stage then the xeno becomes a queen (remember in alien ridley was going with the morphing concept not the queen concept). if there is already a queen then the infant xeno picks up on the pheromone and molts into a plain xeno. by law of averages if it is determined by the type of hugger then there would be at least some eggs laid where the hugger would produce a queen. if the queen has the ability to control the types of eggs laid and only lays xeno-huggers, then what happens to the colony if the queen is killed? she is the matriarch and brings order to the hive. if there were no eggs laid the would result in a new queen then id guess the hive would eventually die off. this would be solved if like bees, all xenos were potential queens.  

also I believe that in interviews regarding A3 and AR, ridley is basically saying, without trashing what the directors did in those films, alien and aliens are the only 2 films we (the viewer) should be taking reference from for these movies. he has said many times the way these movies went was not how he would have done things so the super face hugger may have no place in ridleys world for the xeno

ali81-

Fair point. I believe A3 is canon but RS may ignore it.

I hope hes just going to go with what he would have done had he continued the series. he may take some elements from those films but remember hes had 30+ years to come up with ides for the next stage

I agree with dk.As much as i like Resurrection its so far down the timeline it's easy to ignore.3 still has connections to one and two,and aside from some continuity errors its not easily ignored.It just needs to be tied in better,and also a better effort than colonial marines.

that scene in alien with the tail sliding under someone always kinda turned me on

lol kinda creepy id

DK,

Don't take this the wrong way as its meant to be funny.  

Do you have Xeno Phallus envy?  Not all creatures have a 6ft'r.

They say once you go Xeno you never go back

don't think hel want to go for a shower with one of those bad boys hahaha xeno strutting about letting it all hang loose and putting the rest of them to shame

LOL, yeah no kidding.  He could just take it and throw it over his shoulder and be like yeah that's right my "Schwartz" is bigger than yours as he struts up and mouth punches you in  the forehead.

hahaha xeno version of the fist bump

Rick

lol! I am just a big Giger fan.

"once you go Xeno you never go back"- (if anywhere at all).

mmmm xeno booty. reminds me of my last trip to zeta. oh sweet summer flings

My ex gf