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Myrddin365

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This topic got me thinking. I want to present a premise and let's assume it's true for the sake of discussion. 

Premise: the nightmares experienced by survivors of Xeno encounters are telepathic projections from the Xenos themselves. This means they can project telepathic signals across great distances indefinitely and with very little lag time. 

So collective consciousness, hive mind, Independent agent, or what mix of the three?

 

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"@S.M. clearly Golic was a nut, but did that make him more susceptible to the projection or less?"

I don't buy the projection concept, so I'll go with "less".

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@ninXeno426 did that make it into the special edition? I haven't watched it yet.

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@S.M. I mean, do your thing, but that's kinda the whole premise of this topic... That it's a thing the telepathy.

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xeno.yeah they were very organised in the river of pain book, though whether its canon or not im not sure, but ants/ bees r very organised. I know what u mean by the golic/ dog-xeno idea. just didn't see that working out tbh so can see why it was dropped. the golic character though could be a similar concept to how the engineers view the xeno, deleted scene ofcourse

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If the Queen was really oblivious to the critical reactor that would suggest an inability to read telepathically.

As far as projecting complex nightmares telepathically, I don't know how that is even possible over vast ranges without using quantum effects. This would suggest an absolutely fearsome intelligence.

The kind of intelligence that would suggest Xenos should be able to build their own space ships. Which they don't.

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No unfortunately.Golic has a much larger role,it goes a little more into his fascination with "The Dragon" but not that far.Actor Paul Mcgann expressed disappointment over it not happening.I believe it can still be read though.

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The reason I suggested quantum effects is because I assume even telepathy would be subject to the inverse square law, assuming it existed.

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Okay I'm gonna advocate collective consciousness, just to put a twist in things. (Though I'm generally on the side of hive mind.) If they all know what every Xeno knows and act in the most appropriate way to propagate the species in their environment, then widespread colonization/infestation increases the knowledge, and therefore power of the race. Especially when they encounter a new species. 

This also makes it more likely for them to be objects of worship or at least admiration.  It makes more sense for the Queens to be the only ones who communicate like that, though. Adding urgency to drones producing one because they are comparatively blind and alone without one. 

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it was a fascinating insight into golic in the dragon seens, wish they couldv done more like golic going around, knocking inmates out and dragging them like offerings to the dragon or something like that

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I'm gonna assume that the eggs/facehuggers would lack any sort of collective consciousness/hive mind?

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I'm going to see if i can find the script,but a synapse can be read on the avp wikia.They give a lot of insight into what Golic's role could have been.A notable example is he's the one that greets Weyland,not Mr.Aaron,so he makes it pretty far.

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yea I think the hugger is just going on pure sensory traits. the comics/ books also depict a genetic memory marker in the xeno life cycle. in sea of sorrows, an empathic engineer can sense the creatures pure hatred for him as he is a descendant of ripley, who blows up several queens in the previous book

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@SpiteHouse I love the quantum angle! That would be pretty scary! They may just have the Engineers build spaceships and provide hosts for them through the telepathy.

The nightmares continue until the survivors submit to the Xenos.  Then the Xenos have access to another wealth of knowledge.

Keep in mind this is all a speculative, fun thought experiment. 

 

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@ninXeno426 yeah in the novel he helps the Xeno escape from the first trap. 

@ali81 I wish Fox was clearer about what is canon. They really need to go "this is the alien Bible. This is everything we want in the story." Cuz I was fascinated by that aspect of River of Pain.

@SpiteHouse I agree the the facehuggers are pure sensory, instinct driven, no collective consciousness or hive mind. 

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myrddin

defo. the bit in the book when the jordens go into the drelict and what they come across fits more with what I want to see in this trilogy. plus I wanna see a xeno n engineer go at it

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@Ali81 I'm with ya.

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I'd put more credence in a hive mind for the facehuggers since only one egg opens when Kane approaches and not all of them.

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egg chamber scene in alien would support that as kane walks pas several eggs, but then again does he not touch the egg before it becomes active?

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S.M. I'd say hive mind for which eggs open, but instinct for the hugger. They all seemed to be connected to SOMETHING via the tentacle/artery things that trail out from all of them.

That would be a good topic too: what are those tentacle things coming out of the eggs? 

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