what ISNT canon?

Non canon is outside movies IMO.

The AVP'S started of as canon,but Prometheus nullified that.I actually have considered doing a thread on the parallels between Prometheus and AVP.The things i know for sure aren't canon are the super hero cross overs.

yeah id agree with the super hero cross overs just being for a read and not canon. forgot about them haha

Every book, comic and game released since Jan 2014 (the Out of the Shadows novel) in addition to the five films is canon.

(Excluding AvPv Judge Dredd and the pinball games).  Everything else isn't canon.

The super hero cross overs are pretty bad lol.

sm would u say its only material where the writers have had some collaboration with fox or have just been given official approval?

All the material released since 1988 has had collaboration with Fox and official approval.  Since 2014 however, a more concerted effort has been made at Fox to make things fit together properly across other media.

SM-

I don't think anyone knows who ultimately decides what is canonical.

Based on your latest reply, it seems like it is a fluid situation. That is understandable.

It seems that until an official word from FOX is put out, we can pretty much decide and make sh$t up based on anything.

Personally, I would defer to Scified staff to lay down the law until FOX gives further guidance.

Sounds a bit dictatorial perhaps? I think so...

...or we can mush on and continue to have an engaging and hopefully fun "dialectic".

Wikipedia has a list of things that are considered canon that span way before 2014.

"I don't think anyone knows who ultimately decides what is canonical."

I do.  He works at Fox.

It can be fluid depending on the film content being produced, and extra-film content can only do so much to conform to future film content - but it's been stable the last few years.

though wiki can be edited by people in general, I get that someone has to draw a line and anything that happens following Prometheus is acceptable to me but I would love to see ideas from other sources to appear. id like a prequel to Prometheus that goes back to show the original story of the engineers and xenos, show how it all started and the consequences, even subtitled for a bit wouldn't bother me. we have some amazing movies such as, crouching tiger, to prove it can be done for English speaking fans. could also be done where the film starts out subtitled, with the engineers language spoken for a bit then it cuts to English perhaps?

SM

"I do.  He works at Fox."

When you say "he", whom do you mean?

I'm not about to broadcast his name, but there is a guy in charge of looking after the franchise licence.

SM

With due respect, I call BS. Prove me wrong.

I can make sh!t up too.

Alright S.M. are films like the AVP's regarded as canon?Or how about Colonial Marines.

from what I heard avp WAS regarded as canon but has since been dropped

AvP is a bit murky.  I'm not sure.  Colonial Marines was touted as canon, but subsequently dropped.

"SM

With due respect, I call BS. Prove me wrong.

I can make sh!t up too."

Doesn't sound like "due respect" to me.

Yeah i think Prometheus pretty much replaced it.

SM

Will you answer my question?

What was your question?

To be perfectly honest it's really up to the viewer, regardless of what anyone says. I couldn't care less about people forcing their or others beliefs as to what is or isn't canon on others.

For me personally, Prometheus isn't canon. There are such loose connections to the first film that it could easily be disregarded as expanded universe along with AC imo. I'm fine with that.

Even Ridley himself has stated that Prometheus is a "parallel/alternative universe" film. (EDIT: if I recall it correctly)

I have full respect to other people who consider Prometheus canon and/or disregard any Alien sequel as canon.

When did he say it was a "parallel universe"?

SM

You could check above but I will pose the question again. Please answer it:

"I do.  He works at Fox."

When you say "he", whom do you mean?

F'ning a Neomorph.

"When you say "he", whom do you mean?"

I mean the guy at Fox who manages the license.

I believe he's asking for a name.

S.M

I couldn't find the source, I think he said it in the BAFTA interview but I could be wrong. 

I'm absolutely certain he said it though, or I wouldn't have mentioned it.

I don't think he meant parallel universe in the literal sense. and when he said that was he not talking about alien3 and AR so not to disrespect the directors of those movies or the fans of those films?

SM

Please stop dilly dallying. The Scified world is watching to see if you have the real goods.

If you do not that is ok. Just cop to it and we will move on to more important issues like discussing vaginal similarities to the facehuggers.

dk it isn't just the hugger that was designed to have similarities to that particular, amazing body part (lol meant in good spirit with no offence meant to anyone). in an interview, when giger designed the derelict, he designed the entrance to resemble the same thing

Yeah it always looks weird when they walk in it.

"I believe he's asking for a name."

I believe you're correct.  I've already said I'm not broadcasting it. The opinion of some fan who doesn't believe me is neither here nor there.

"I couldn't find the source, I think he said it in the BAFTA interview but I could be wrong. 

I'm absolutely certain he said it though, or I wouldn't have mentioned it."

He makes mention of Weyland Corporation and it tying into Weyland Yutani in the film commentary, which doesn't sound "parallel" in the usual sense.

Neomorph said- "For me personally, Prometheus isn't canon."

If PROMETHEUS, AC and any propsed sequels are "backing in to A L I E N", as Sir Ridley put it, how could they not be considered canon?

Just sayin' :) 

At the end of the day I do agree with the remainder of your post Neomorph- "To be perfectly honest it's really up to the viewer, regardless of what anyone says."

No one will ever convince me to accept novels, comics, games, AvP, Colonial Marines etc, etc as canon.

When Ridley has finished with his sequels they alone are going to be my personal canon.

So that will be A L I E N, PROMETHEUS, AC and further sequels to those. I will disregard everything else. That's going to be my choice!

@Lone

Please read my whole post, you clearly missed my point.

EDIT: Seems like you went back and read my whole post.

To be honest.... its a  mess really.... and seems Alien Fandom has a bad reaction to Canon compared to how Star Wars fans usually can look at non-canon stuff.

I think it needs to be sorted and a Tidy up..... and so what SM says i think in part is the way to go....  I do think some of the Comics and Games Post 2014 do pose some problems though.

I hope by the time we get the prequels done and maybe a Alien 5  (A ALIEN 5 WILL HAPPEN) that they then have a clear line as far as Canon and then a new Reference book to Tidy it up would be nice.

In the mean time its personel preference really...  we can surely say the Movies are 100% canon...  the lose ends, potential holes open to debate... and interpretation that i hope movies would cover at some point... rather than have to reference to Games and Comics that at times can pose some Points that are a bit at conflict or open up problems....  Fire and Stone one example.

But the Games and Comics do open up some ideas that maybe can be worked on in a Movie or Book thats more Canon....  like the AC Books which include a prequel of sorts... i would consider these to be Canon....

I do find the Alien Isolation fits very well as Canon though.

Yes Neomorph I understand exactly what you meant, it's just that I broke up my reply into two postings! :)

As far as ALIEN 5......

It will happen, at some point... because it had some interesting ideas, interesting ways to carry on the Franchise maybe touched upon Engineers and more Xeno experiments.

Its not in works now due to Alien Prequels needing to be done first and then Weavers Avatar and other Schedules which bring us at the end to her Age in what 3-5 years.

But this does not mean the ideas could be tweaked a bit... they would have to change Ripleys role a bit, and Hicks... but the other ideas i think could be evolved and indeed a Alien 5 which would pass the Torch onto Newt and cover the ideas Blomkamp had just maybe have to deal with Ripley and Hicks more different.... i.e now set it not 20+ years after Aliens but shift it to 30+ instead.

Then i think it would maybe still get done... but differently

Yes Lone I acknowledged that :) now let's be bff's forever lol 

Any discussion about what is or is not canon always ends in disagreement. That's why I think it should just be left to the individual to make their own choice, but remain respectful of other peoples choices.