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ali81

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we seem to be divided at times at what IS canon. as no one who is in the 'qualified' position has actually stated what is canon, I would say it is easier for us, the fans, to say what ISNT canon rather than what is. I personally, would include books and comics and just say the avp movies are not canon. what r ur thoughts?

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Non canon is outside movies IMO.

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The AVP'S started of as canon,but Prometheus nullified that.I actually have considered doing a thread on the parallels between Prometheus and AVP.The things i know for sure aren't canon are the super hero cross overs.

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yeah id agree with the super hero cross overs just being for a read and not canon. forgot about them haha

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Every book, comic and game released since Jan 2014 (the Out of the Shadows novel) in addition to the five films is canon.

(Excluding AvPv Judge Dredd and the pinball games).  Everything else isn't canon.

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The super hero cross overs are pretty bad lol.

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sm would u say its only material where the writers have had some collaboration with fox or have just been given official approval?

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All the material released since 1988 has had collaboration with Fox and official approval.  Since 2014 however, a more concerted effort has been made at Fox to make things fit together properly across other media.

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SM-

I don't think anyone knows who ultimately decides what is canonical.

Based on your latest reply, it seems like it is a fluid situation. That is understandable.

It seems that until an official word from FOX is put out, we can pretty much decide and make sh$t up based on anything.

Personally, I would defer to Scified staff to lay down the law until FOX gives further guidance.

Sounds a bit dictatorial perhaps? I think so...

...or we can mush on and continue to have an engaging and hopefully fun "dialectic".

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Wikipedia has a list of things that are considered canon that span way before 2014.

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"I don't think anyone knows who ultimately decides what is canonical."

I do.  He works at Fox.

It can be fluid depending on the film content being produced, and extra-film content can only do so much to conform to future film content - but it's been stable the last few years.

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though wiki can be edited by people in general, I get that someone has to draw a line and anything that happens following Prometheus is acceptable to me but I would love to see ideas from other sources to appear. id like a prequel to Prometheus that goes back to show the original story of the engineers and xenos, show how it all started and the consequences, even subtitled for a bit wouldn't bother me. we have some amazing movies such as, crouching tiger, to prove it can be done for English speaking fans. could also be done where the film starts out subtitled, with the engineers language spoken for a bit then it cuts to English perhaps?

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"I do.  He works at Fox."

When you say "he", whom do you mean?

 

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I'm not about to broadcast his name, but there is a guy in charge of looking after the franchise licence.

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SM

With due respect, I call BS. Prove me wrong.

I can make sh!t up too.

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Alright S.M. are films like the AVP's regarded as canon?Or how about Colonial Marines.

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from what I heard avp WAS regarded as canon but has since been dropped

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AvP is a bit murky.  I'm not sure.  Colonial Marines was touted as canon, but subsequently dropped.

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With due respect, I call BS. Prove me wrong.

I can make sh!t up too."

Doesn't sound like "due respect" to me.

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Yeah i think Prometheus pretty much replaced it.

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SM

Will you answer my question?

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What was your question?

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