Don Digimon Farrakhan Magic Juan
MemberOvomorphJan-31-2017 9:35 AMI have been doing my own theorizing on how David fits into the missing link role between the Xenomorph seen in the original film and the Engineers and the role of the black goo mystery in Prometheus. Ive been scouring the web for videos and using the MU/TH/UR interface and have found some interesting things.
The biggest roadblock concerning David playing a direct role is his classification (not directly stated officially) as an android with no components or organic biology to be affected by the black-goo. My initial response was that according to the David8 section of the website created for Prometheus, he contains a number of cybernetic components, with the term android appearing nowhere and him being referred to as a cybernetic individual. I do concede the black goo had no effect on David's finger though. Putting that aside, lets go with him being an android. I would then acknowledge and suggest he simply found or gained access to the facilities or equipment needed to directly engineer or augment the Xenomorph himself. Its established that David can both understand the engineers language both spoken and written. My biggest motivation to find a link between the two is the huge distinction between the original Alien and its behavior and mannerisms, and those in the sequel Aliens. In Alien the creature was a direct representation of H.R. Giger's bio-mechanical vision in every way. Most notably with the similarities to a human facial structure only obscured by the semi translucent dome covering the eyes and nose. Putting aside the dog alien abomination that opens the door to things like the predalien, and kangaroo-alien, both versions from the 2 original (Scott and Cameron) films were the result of the face-hugger knocking up humans. However both resulted in hugely different aliens being born.
**Breakthrough** In Alien it mentions by way of a screen display that Ash the science officer is an employee of the Tyrell Corporation. For those unaware, that's the big company from Ridley Scotts 1982 film Blade Runner. The company that creates replicants. On the blade runner wiki page, it defines a replicant as follows: A Replicant is a synthetic human with paraphysical capabilities. It is a genetically engineered creature composed entirely of organic substance.
Entering the question "what is a blade runner?" returns: "Insufficient security clearance"
If you enter "tyrell" into Mu/th/ur it returns with "insufficient security clearance"
The book Blade Runner is based on is titled Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, which if entered into Mu/th/ur returns the definition of androids and synthetic people by remarking they are essentially robots etc etc. The definition can also be found by typing 'replicant' into mother' To me this suggests a link between the two films that may be uncovered in the next few films or perhaps even in Covenant.
Also interesting is that the Prometheus mission was launched in 2089 by the Weyland corporation. In 2099 just 10 years later the Weyland corporation merged with the Yutani corporation.
Entering "Yutani" gives corporate details.
Entering 2099 in Mother returns: Query unclear, please re-attempt.
While entering 2100 through 2125 results in the description of Fiorina or Fury 161, its general location with the detail that its specific location is classified by the Weyland Yutani corporation for security reasons. It says its roughly 19.5 light years from earth. Only the year 2122 returns "query unclear, please re-attempt" Which seems to mean 2122 if entered in the right context will shed some light on something.
*2122 mission returns info on Meredith Vickers.
Ill cut this short to avoid the need for publishing by adding the information mother gives as "the harpoon gun is 19 inches long" originally had me searching for Moby Dick connections, to which the story's are joined by the strong message of some things not being meant for man to know or understand, before realizing it was meant to describe the harpoon gun Ripley used to blow the alien out of the air-lock in the original. I couldn't find the string needed to expand on other details, but "killing the alien" returns information about the aliens offensive ability.
What do you guys think? How does the Tyrell corporation factor in to this? Classified mission involving a synthetic that unlike david would actually result in a successful reaction with the black goo? Or yield a relevant version of the alien. How can this be used to explain the highly bio-mechanical appearance of the first alien, as well as its actions and movements in stark contrast to those in Aliens the sequel?
QueenElizabethShaw
MemberChestbursterJan-31-2017 11:52 AMYou could be on to something. If the link was established in this way, I would find it incredibly satisfying.
ninXeno426
MemberPraetorianJan-31-2017 2:35 PMThat's an amazing find.I never thought to try anything Blade Runner on the MUTHER computer.
Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for
Shasta cyclone
MemberFacehuggerJan-31-2017 3:21 PMThat's an interesting take. I've wondered what would happen if David ingested the black goo in his attempt to be something more.
TestOfSanity
MemberOvomorphJan-31-2017 3:47 PMHere is a wild thought i had. What if Walter was special, like a cybernetic oraganism a la the terminator. Living skin over synthetic/metal skeleton, maybe even some living nerves/organs. David notices this and could use the black goo on Walter, him being a cyborg.
I highly doubt anything like this would happen, because all of the "artificial people" we've seen, are similar in build. But it could produce something interesting.
Tiago_miami_la
MemberFacehuggerJan-31-2017 4:04 PMI believe goo acts on living beings who possess a soul.
A souless being cannot activate goo.
Goo needs a living host,with sin or good will it acts accordingly.
What makes david so dangerous its his hability to handle and control black goo freely with no regards and concerns towards him.
If walter is in the cave hes too unable to awaken the eggs hence why the captain is the victim he was lured by one of the fassbenders..and if david cant walter wont.
If covenant shows david gaining a soul it wont turn him into a xeno and it wont be in covenant..if it ever happens maybe a hybrid of some sort..evolved. but not a xeno..not monster.
The xeno as we know it its a refined version of the xeno we have in covenant, and the refining process is connected to engineers and their suits(armor or other additional app) david plays a role in it but it wont be the subject and neither will walter, i believe thk walter gonns ne simply killed. But i dont think either of them will be turning into monsters.
BigDave
MemberDeaconFeb-01-2017 6:09 AMI dont know if we can buy into the MUTHUR website it has bugs which means we need to be careful how we interpret the information.
So could Tyrell play a Role? Maybe? or maybe its a Red Herring Easter Egg and nothing more.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
BigDave
MemberDeaconFeb-01-2017 6:13 AMThe Prometheus trailers before the latter ones, had me wonder are they going for the Xeno is because of David... that David the Pinocchio boy evolves himself with Engineer Tech and because more Organic well Part Organic... but then for his Hubris he is infected with the Squid that is C-Section from Shaw.
Latter trailers proved this theory wrong ;)
When Covenant was announced and how Fassbender would play David and a Doppelganger i thought is this other David going to be a Synthetic Construct like Elden from Fire and Stone and then we would see this other Fassbender Character is where we are getting the Bio-Mechnoid Xeno from,
In both cases... i was not happy with this route, i still think the Xeno and Eggs are Ancient... and hopefully this is the case.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Starlogger
MemberChestbursterFeb-01-2017 7:24 AMHave we not established on here that the Muthr "game" on 20th C. Fox's website is simply drawing from Wikis, and therefore is fan-based and has no "hard" data or true clues?
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MemberFacehuggerFeb-01-2017 7:49 AMGeez, some pepole on here need to chill out lol I don't much care for the David Xeno connection
ifox
MemberOvomorphFeb-01-2017 9:13 AMI have heard of the notion of the Alien and Blade Runner universes being one and the same and have even seen some nice nods to it on the prometheus Blu-ray, but I am definitely going to need some substantiation for the claim that ANYTHING in Alien shows Ash as having worked for Tyrell.
For one thing, Alien came out in 1979 and Blade Runner came out in 1982. In Blade Runner, the company that made the androids was Tyrell, but in the book Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, the company was the Rosen Association.
It seems like a pretty big stretch that Ridley would have had that much foresight during the shooting of Alien.
Don Digimon Farrakhan Magic Juan
MemberOvomorphFeb-02-2017 10:10 AMNot much faith in what I have come across eh? Foolish Mortal! lol j/k Ok, first regarding the Book do androids dream of electric sheep, it was the book Blade runner was based on, not the novelization of the film itself, hence the company wouldn't have the same name now would it? In the Movie Alien, when ripley goes to set the self destruct sequence, you see a red comp screen that says Environ ~ and PURGE , This is also the screen shown in Blade Runner where Edward James Almos is in the police car using the interface. Exact screen. 3rd, I stand corrected regarding ASH and Tyrell, It was in fact Dallas, who's file is shown along with the others from the Nostromo on the screen during Ripleys inquiry where her license is suspended. That screen is shown in detail in the Special Features of Aliens, and it lists Tyrell Corporation as a previous (from what I can tell) employer of Capt Dallas. Re: Foresight, for all we know he had Blade Runner on his mind when he got the offer to direct Alien. Anyways, since a picture is worth 1,000 words or in this case 199, my gift to this forum:
Don Digimon Farrakhan Magic Juan
MemberOvomorphFeb-02-2017 10:16 AMPS, you are aware of the upcoming blade runner with the teaser trailer already released right? Just umm.. food for thought.
