James Cameron's Aliens was a mistake.

"The only way it would have worked would be to essentially re-make it"

Aliens borrows so many story beats from Alien, that it more or less is a remake.  Cameron just brilliantly hid it in an action horror film rather than a haunted house film, so you don't notice it.

"We all (or at least I did) had our own ideas about where it came from. The credit for that belongs to Hans Rudy, no question about it."

And Dan O'Bannon and Ron Shusett.

"I'll respectfully disagree with S.M about the original having been created with an insect related approach. The creature was the only thing about the film that was basically complete before anything movie related was set. It was in Giger's Necronomicon, which was shown to Ridley and the rest was history."

The Alien isn't identical to Necronom IV.  It was changed to what eventually became the final creature with influence from Ridley.  As for The Insect Influence - click here.

From: Dr.Swojd to You on: Feb-08-2017 1:34 PM

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hahahahaha nice wee private message I just got. mustv touched a nerve

White supremacists... there goes the neighbourhood.

Dr.Swojd:Do you ever have anything constructive to say?

Hello BULL ALIEN and welcome!I must respectfully disagree.Aliens is my favorite movie so I'm more to a little biased towards it.But it's just fine that you don't.Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.After all can't agree on the same thing.

Everyone has their own opinions..

But indeed as the years go by and we get older, i personally feel Aliens does not have that impact it did when i was younger,  Alien still keeps its Magic though, and i think Alien 3 grows on you after a while.

It would have been interesting to see what a different Alien sequel would have been like had Ridley Scott got the chance, but i think most of his ideas for such a venture we would be shown in the next few movies and certainly be the time Ridley Scott has finished his Alien Prequel series.

I disagree - partly.  In Aliens James Cameron's writing has never been better.  The decision to focus on Ripley really gave the franchise a level of emotional/human depth that it hasn't matched in any of the other movies or graphic novels.  I'm one of those who thinks the franchise IS  Ripley. That's why I'm hoping that Blomkamp's Alien 5 got knocked off because Scott is planning to re-incorporate Ripley into one of his prequel/sequels.  

However, one thing is for sure - the monster became less mysterious in Aliens.  That's where Cameron got it wrong.  He turned the thing into a bug instead of a mysterious intelligence.

Did you guys know that there were many plans for sequels/follow-ups to Alien before Cameron's got made?  They were actually planning to do a TV series follow-up to Alien!  Back then I think it would've been mediocre, but nowadays with TV being as good as it is, I would love to see a prolonged TV version following the events of Aliens.  That gritty & realistic sci fi world has so many different facets to explore.

That is probably one of the most stupid things I've ever heard. Aliens was criticized as better then Alien by critics. It was action packed with a new set of amazing characters and the amazing badass xenomorph queen.

The reason why that though exists in the existence of thoughts is cause of alien 3 

"However, one thing is for sure - the monster became less mysterious in Aliens.  That's where Cameron got it wrong.  He turned the thing into a bug instead of a mysterious intelligence."

How did he turn it into a "bug"?

Congratulations Dr.Swojd,you've officially ruined this topic.Sorry BULL ALIEN.

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Thank you Chris.Lets resume this topic guys.

I think both sides can be understood - different people with different opinions. For me, Alien is an incredible experience. The music, the atmosphere, everything... So mysterious, so unique. However, Aliens contains several exciting scenes as well - I mean exciting visually. An example is the scene when they are outside the building before the dropship's crash and you can see the landscape, the rock formations, etc. Land, air, wind, fire - everything in one scene.

Excellent view ati.I'm not really going to explain why Aliens is my favorite.That's the great thing about being an individual,you can like and dislike what what ever you want.Since we're on James Cameron I'll give you an example,I hate Titanic.It's got to be the most overrated film of all time.But that's just my opinion.

The problem is I don't like Caprio, so... :) Forgive me everybody, but I don't like Avatar either. Sorry, bye, I have to go...

See you later ati.I'm not crazy about Avatar either.

For myself, while I find each movie, including AvP, to be quite quotable, A L I E N S is a nonstop quotefest. I have heard a 90 year old and a 5 year say "GAME OVER" or "Nuke Em' from orbit. It's the only way to be sure," at the same time during everyday life. This is probably why it's my favorite, but most agree the first two were totally different movies and imho should not be compared to each other.

You're right about that MrGoodkat.I started a thread a while back on the best Alien quotes,and it got packed full of Aliens quotes.

To the OP. I am unsure how the same tension in Alien could have continued back then. Going more in an action route made sense to me, especially when considering the general climate of the Rambo/combat movies of the 80s. That said, I still really enjoy Aliens but can definitely understand your point.

Umm..........I think I may be the only one here who never saw Avatar.

For a combat movie it's easy to forget that it's over 45 minutes till we see an Alien, a bit under 50 minutes until a gun is fired, and about 65 minutes till there's any combat.