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David did not create the Xenomorph

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Fire_Stream21

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Hey guys just wanted to share a good point that why I think David didn't create or experiment with the black goo creating the original xenomorph that we all love and fear.

In Prometheus, Shaw sees how old the Engineer head is and it turns out its approximately 2,000 years old!!! So this means that the Xenomorph has existed for approx. 2,000 years old. 

Another thing I found really cool is how Ridley wanted the plot for Prometheus to be Alien... imagine that?! But the original script is that the USCSS Nostromo finds a pyramid like structure with a picture like thing on the wall warning other life forms (who knows) of the result of the black goo. Thats what the xenomorph wall carving is!!! Its warning sapient life of what the black goo results in. I decoded what I think the the wall sculpture means.

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@Big Dave, I for one would be very interested in your overall take on this particular topic....

 

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I hope the Derelict is 2000 ish years old, anything else would spoil the mystery 

I hope the biomechanical producing eggs/huggers are ancient 

I hope the back story is a war / battle for power between the Jocks and the warrior type Engineers 

Problems

Scale of the Jock

DNA of us / Engineers and goo = fleashy deacon

The Derelict looked like it was made of bones / organic, indeed the Jock itself looked more animal than Biomechanical 

Why did the eggs under the Derelict produce something very biomechanical mixed with Kane's DNA?

Like it or not there is a splash of something else in dem Derelict eggs!

this is why I feel the David Arc could be used to produce this strand off hugger

there also could be something else we have not encountered yet to produce the huggers under the Derelict 

the final path is the acid made hole adjacent to the jock, that allows scope for a queen burster that lays the eggs beneath the Derelict, which leads to the hugger that hugged the original jock and what produced that!?

 

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tropics. have u read river of pain?

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This was an interesting post.  I think no of us will turly know what Ridley Scott has in store for us until May 19th. I'm one the the people that does think David helps create the Xenos and uses Walter to add the biomechanical aspects of the creatures. I do think that we still could find out that they were created thousands of years before though. But they maybe just didn't have that biomechanical element to them. 

Based on the creatures in Prometheus and the Neomorph I feel like they are the predecessors to the classic Xeno and are related in some way. The black goo ties all these creatures together and I think is the key ingredient David experiments with when he's stranded for ten years on the planet Covenant lands on. I think Ridley wants to expand and explain the Xenomorphs origin with these movies and will tie everything together. He also has to do it in a way that's not too complicated because he knows people like us will rip the movie apart if it has to many plot holes. With Prometheus he intentionally left some unanswered questions but I don't think he's gonna do that again so much because it was one of the biggest complaints amongst fans. I'm sure there will be some mystery in AC but not nearly as much as Prometheus had. 

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@ ali81, I haven't, but if your recommending I may have a read

i do intend to read some scripts / novels in my build up to AC

However, I'm more of an on-screen facts angle...

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Pretty much dead on incorporation of original Giger facehugger concepts.

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Im with you on this. i do not find it believable that david created the xenomorph. it seems he may have studied the engineers ways and learned the "recipe" if you will and created his own strain of them. 

with the black goo always creating xeno like lifeforms and the engineer cryo pods having chestburster holes in them, it just seems unlikely that david was the xenos genesis. 

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As am I.

I've read A:OotS,RoP, SoS and the Rage War Trilogy. In all of these books the Xenos are depicted as very old. Can't imagine they'll go for the "David"-route that would render all the books obsolete. 

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

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I think it is cool that a broken robot created the xeno. 

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Xenomorph "Queens" have been DELETED from the "Alien" universe, and will never appear again. They were a horrific mistake birthed by Cameron's stupidity.

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The only thing is what if that was just a big ole Easter egg? I guess we will find out eventually.

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I also think that this is a very important aspect of the whole story. Those murals were already there when the Prometheus crew got there. And the canisters and black goo were there too.

That tells us that whoever was using those facilities on that planet... they already knew a lot about xenomorphs, mutatations, pathogens, and the characteristics of the black goo. David saw those murals too, so he knows that they knew a lot about what they were dealing with.

That proves that David isn't the creator of xenomorphs, in of themselves. But he could have created, or he could be creating a specific type of xenomorph... different from the ones the engineers were used to.

So there's no way that Ridley can change the entire history by making David the ORIGINAL creator. He can alter the history and make David the creator of some types of xenos though.

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@cmutt you are SO correct.

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Im of the mind set after seeing the film that david found the xeno "recipe" if you will. as he has an interesting line something like  " i have found perfection here, i have created perfection." this is the closes i remember. but it seems he's found the perfect organism and wants to breed one of his own and that's what he does. it seems he may have studied the engineer like people and their history and found out how to manipulate the black pathogen. which he explains fuses and then creates an agressive organism that has the dna of the host but is a fusion with a xeno like beast.  

i hope this is the path the story is taking since it would leave the alien as an ancient thing while showing how the black go works and a strain of different xenos 

 

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@cmutt he can if he wants to. It's his movies.

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splatterpunk true but that should not excuse lazy writing or unnecessary ret cons of already accepted lore in a prequel that's supposed to tie into the larger series 

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In my opinion... Ridley saying that David created the "original" xenomorph, simply means that David may have created the specific mutation that lead to the eggs in the cargo hold of the juggernaut in "Alien". Which thus, lead to the type of xeno that came out of Kane... the "original" xeno... from the "original" movie.

So again, it does not necessarily mean that he is saying that David created the very first xenos, as species.

David may only be responsible for that particular version from "Alien". 

Now that would mean that he is shifting the story a bit, to where the "Alien" film juggernaut and space jockey are not as old as everyone thought. 

Me personally? That doesn't bother me too much. So long as he sticks to the things that he already cemented in Prometheus, which are that the engineers have long been aware of the xenos and the black pathogen/mutogen stuff. The murals show that there is a history there. And the severed head was at least 2000 years old, so those things are pretty much established.

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I am glad to hear Sir Ridley himself confirming David creating the  Xenomorph. The blueprint/concept may come from the engineers, but the finished product is from an Android.  

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It's interesting to consider the implications of David's tinkering, both the precursors and effects, but to my mind these are purely theoretical.  We can scan murals till the cows come home and wag our finger at the robot, "No, you didn't build them! They were there all along!" But clearly David was doing something. We should look to the movie and ask, "what?"

There is a trait in David to appropriate culture and replicate it as his own.  In Prometheus, he lifts Lawrence of Arabia for his identity. In Covenant, his "lab" is rife with the aesthetic of Renaissance, "Davinci-esque." The tools he uses, from his flutes, his shears, and his statue of David vivisection of the humanoid alien, are not new concoctions of his android mind, but overlays of pre-existing pattern onto the world. At the risk of diminuating his skills, David employs the technique of collage or pastiche. When he is inspired by something, be it a Hollywood film, Renaissance/ Romantic thought, or the engineers creations, far from thoroughly evaluating and reprocessing it in to something new, he pastes it back out wholesale. Vis, I don't think it's that surprising that people doubt Ridley Scott's claim that David created the xenomorph. Similar creatures obviously existed before David tinkered about. The man has been known to make polarizing proclamations about his films in the past (eg Deckard as replicant), one wonders if he isn't simply being playful. Perhaps the meaning is that David created the xenomorphs, in the same sense a gifted child creates beautiful music by rote, when it's drilled by demanding teachers and an overwhelming sense of expectation/programming from its parents.

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