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Alien and the troubles of Artificial Intelligence

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ninXeno426

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Science fiction has a long history of artificial intelligence turning on us,Terminator,The Matrix,2001 A Space Odyssey to name a few.Alien has had a rather different approach.They have often proven to be just as,if not more dangerous than the xenomorph.After all they are supposed to be trustworthy.In Alien,Ash's identity as an android was a secret,planted on board The Nostromo to collect and safeguard what ever they found on LV-426.His reveal late in the film shocked many,after all it was only two years before audiences saw a much friendlier vision of robots in Star Wars.Ash recalled Hal 9000,only perhaps more sinister due to that he looked,talked and acted just like us,not just a red lense.Bishop was the polar opposite,loyal,no violence,no secret agenda(this time around it was a human instead.)In those 57 years that had past,they seemingly ironed out the issue's with those twitchy A2 models(though that was a convenient cover story to further discredit Ripley.)Then there was Call.200 yesterday had past and androids had become more human than ever,gaining an independence that lead to a recall,"they didn't like being told what to do."Call learned of the United Systems Military's agenda prior to the recall,and set out to sabotage there plans all according to her free will,not programming.That brings us to David 008,who's something of an enigma.Being an early model He doesn't really have any behavior inhibitors that his successors might.David while seeming pretty human,seems to feel superior being an android.A notable example is when Charlie Holloway inquires as to why he needs a helmet to which David replies"I was designed like this because you are more comfortable interacting with your own kind.If i didn't wear the suit it would defeat the purpose." "They're making you guys pretty close huh." "Not too close i hope."Another example would be when David and Holloway discuss creation.Holloway says they made David because they could.David replies"Can you imagine how disappointing it would be to hear the same thing from your creator."Ofcourse you can imagine David has some resentment towards the human race which created him just simply "because they could."It's hard to blame him for some of his actions.That brings us to his role in Alien Covenant where he seemingly has taken on the role of creator.An android who was created by a man who wanted to be a god has possibly become a god himself.Hard to say whether he created the xenomorph(i'd say probably not but he has most likely created the Neomorph and the protomorph)We also have Walter which we know nothing about so far.It's likely he'll be more stoic and reserved like Bishop,but being before Ash and possibly part of the same series possibly twitchy.It's curious to see how these two might interact.Either way the androids have often proven themselves to be just as if not more deadly at times than the xenomorph.A possible cautionary tale about the dangers of creating Artificial Intelligence perhaps?On how things might turn out to be one day if we're not too careful.What do you guys think?P.S. I'd like to credit the various topics and comments from dk,Ati,ali81,chli,Michelle Johnston and various others for their views on artificial intelligence for inspiring this thread.Thank you guys.

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ninXeno426
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Hey Ati,i own The Caves of Steel!

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"Indeed SM, I Robot is very relevant and a good movie."

I was referring to the book.  Didn't really care for the film.

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As I said, the eyes of S.M are watching us... :D

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NIN, I had all of his books on robots, but I sold them a month ago. :)

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What i know of the I Robot film is that they've pieced it together from various Asimov stories,at least that's what I've been told.Things like Robot Dreams which i also own.As Ati pointed out it includes Little Lost Robot,and Characters like Eileen Calvin.Never seen it myself.But the novels are often shadowed By to Foundation series.

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I don't own a whole lot of Asimov,but i do have Caves Of Steel,Foundation,Nemisis,Robot Dreams and some others.

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NIN, Robot Series and Foundation Series form one universe:

'Asimov later integrated the Robot Series into his all-encompassing Foundation series, making R. Daneel Olivaw appear again twenty thousand years later in the age of the Galactic Empire, in sequels and prequels to the original Foundation trilogy; and in the final book of the Robots series — Robots and Empire — we learn how the worlds that later formed the Empire were settled, and how Earth became radioactive (which was first mentioned in Pebble in the Sky).'

You find everything here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_series_(Asimov)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_series

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With the character David, I think Ridley wanted to revisit the themes present in Blade Runner, such as android behaviour that leads us to questions if they possess "emotions" and even a "soul".

He is a key figure after all, and speaking of a soul, the eye scene in the AC trailer is reminiscent of the starting scene in Blade Runner.

 Come to think of the saying:

"The eyes are the mirror of the soul and reflect everything that seems to be hidden; and like a mirror, they also reflect the person looking into them." - Paolo Cohelo

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Bottom image: Alien Covenant 

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Thank you Ati.That's what my brother tells me.He's read more than i have.

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I haven't made that connection Neomorph.Thank you.Your right about David drawing more from Blade Runner.To prep for the role,Michael Fassbender watched Blade Runner,Not any Alien movies.He was particularly drawn towards Racheal,there for based his performance of her

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Dune (1984) by David Lynch - stars in the eyes

The eyes are watching you. :)

 

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A good look at the argument of AI is the Star Trek TNG episode Measure of a Man.

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Which season?I own season 1,the rest i saw on tv.

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Something i'd reference is Ex Machina.A rather different take on artificial intelligence.

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 Measure of a Man- Season 2 episode 9

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Ati,for the AI debate,my brother tells me of machine wars in Dune.What do you know about them?

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Alright.I'm having a hard time remembering which one it is.

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NIN, I think that is not in the starting novel. :) I gave that book away as well. :)

As for the series and AI, I know that you started watching the new Battlestar Galactica, but you think it's not so good. Don't stop. The second season speeds up, new characters, good actors, beautiful battles, AI everywhere, religion, gods, angels, everything you want, I think. And the final episode will freeze you, it changes everything you thought about the events. But you mustn't jump to the closing minutes, that would ruin the experience. :)

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Im hanging on.It's getting better.

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Fantastic Find Neomorph..... indeed maybe its more than a Coinsidence

@ATI yeah should have thought SM was on about the Laws of Robotics, i have never read that Book but i think I-Robot the movie and others have touched upon very similar themes.

I liked Ex Machina

And how it also tackled AI

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