Daniels:Military training?

it could be just her survival instincts we are witnessing based on her character.

I need to take a moment to address the whole proper context thing before I'm corrected.What I mean to say there is I hope that the film has a good reason for it.

Fair to say that the rifles in A:C look rather low tech and not as intimidating to pick up for the first time than a 1500rpm pulse rifle with grenade launcher and what not Hudson was bragging about all day.

One of my biggest concerns for A:C still are the weapons we have seen so far. Simple 5.56mm assault rifles (Based on the AUG A3 and even the decade old M16's design)  loaded and fired like at our current times would be an incredible disappointment and missed chance to introduce a first technological note towards the iconic colonial marines weaponry that redefined the authenticity of Sci-Fi props in movies.

Yeah,I actually thought they might look a little more hi-tech than the weapons from Aliens.

how so, their base weapons exist for like 20-40years and the attachments (tac.lights, green laser aim point, holo- and ACOG sights, barrel rails etc) are from our very current times aswell.
Almost like Ridley or someone else said to the props department 'go into the local gun store and build together the most futuristic looking thing, that'll do'

I'm ex-military so if the weapons system is gunpowder propelled projectiles, then it's difficult to improve upon the existing technology.

The M-4 frame is decades old, but the whole system has been altered and upgraded to the point that weapons designers have yet to produce a platform that outperforms it by a wide enough margin to justify replacing it.  

And if it makes you feel better, hardened soldiers don't aim their weapons that way.

I have seen this weapon once in the trailers released. It didn't match the guns shown by the Covenant crew. What crew provided the person shown next to the Weyland Storm Rifle?

auximenes performed analysis with the image below.

The Weyland Industries storm rifle is in the lower middle portion of the photo above. Who was holding it?

Where do you think you are seeing this rifle in that picture?

There are high res version of this screencap possible you know.

i can guarantee you its neither in that picture nor in the movie even if we would like to have it..

Engineer like male on the dissection table = Shaw

Massive and tall male blurred figure stumbling up the stairs = Mutated Shaw

Some pixels = weyland storm rifle

makebeliefe and desired own fantasy really seem to

alter the perception of many posters in here..

Inquisitor Fifield, thank you for your guarantee that this image is nonexistent. You can now make believe you are correct in your perception or a.k.a full of xeno crap. 

Some pixels = equals my point proven.

Inquisitor Fifield, maybe we could follow your theory and explain that the Engineers turned Dr. Shaw into a non-existent shown clearly Weyland Storm rifle on the ground?

Wow, that's great. Now the black goo can turn Doctors into rifles.

Wow again...a guaranteed fun time for everyone.

Inquisitor Fifield, can you confirm you believe a xenomorph is in the workshop or is that a spider in your fantasy?

wat :D

this could just be anything from that angle.

stop declaring it a certainty lol

if its really a rifle lying there (doubtable) it has, if anything, the shape and the bullpup stock of the AUG A3 - which indeed is used in the movie.

What happened Inquisitor Fifield, black goo turn the rifle into a cat that caught your fantasy tongue?

Thank you for the picture, there is more than one rifle in the Alien universe.

certainly there are yes.

and certainly not the Weyland Storm rifle in that picture or the movie Alien:Covenant.

case closed, rage about it all you want ;)

 "i can guarantee you its neither in that picture nor in the movie even if we would like to have it.."

...insert evolving awareness post mocking poor Ingeniero...

"and certainly not the Weyland Storm rifle in that picture or the movie Alien:Covenant."

Inquisitor Fifield

you are really good at quoting,

at spotting no weyland storm rifles where there are none - not so much^^

I have come across soil arranged in the form of a Weyland Storm rifle so many times before...you got me.

with lamps and headlights and cables coming out of it right now i see it

No rage here, we're after the same thing Inquisitor Fifield. Please chop up my assumptions at will.

Myrddin365, Weyland Industries made breakthroughs in weapons tech in the 2020s.

Corporate Timeline (covered by BigDave earlier)

Weyland Industries earns patent number 10,445,075 for Method and Apparatus for self-adjusting crosshairs that auto-process windage, Coriolis effect, trajectory, etc. -- eliminating the need for spotters and mathematical formulas.

JUNE 3, 2026

Weyland Industries introduces first rifle able to track targets from over 500 klicks away, as well as determine target’s health, physique and whether they can be locked down.

SEPTEMBER 10, 2024

Weyland military engineers make first significant improvement to rifling technology since the 19th century, tripling speed and doubling accuracy of projectiles. Exact rifling pattern and twist rate remain classified.

MAY 10, 2024

@ Ingeniero, good catch! I'd forgotten about those, but based on what I understand about rifle mechanics (which isnt much more than any gun enthusiast) none of those upgrades require cosmetic changes to the existing AR platforms. They are all optic, ammunition and rifling enhancements that would leave the general shape and operation of the weapon system indistinguishable from existing technology. Which was pretty smart. Ironically some of those advancements sound cool, but have little or no tactical benefit.

Myrddin365

Correct about the basic rifle- it is the same round that has been around for decades. Also agree about how she is pointing and not aiming the weapon and probably firing full auto wasting ammo- the Hollywood spray and pray lol!

No second amendment in the UK there DK.  Aren't all guns banned in the UK?

Not sure about the UK laws and wasn't trying to reference that subject. Regardless, the round and basic rifle (with fairly minor alterations) has indeed been around for decades and for a reason.

Maybe the crew are trained in basic weapons skills regardless of their role for the mission ie; personal protection, they do the same in the defence forces, its part of basic training, everyone

has to be able to fire a rifle regardless of what they enlist as. 

airshaft_surprise

Yes. When everything goes sideways it is Soldier first. It would make sense to have that kind of people on the mission- even if they are still in cryo on the Covenant.

@dk, gidday mate, i know if i was part of mission like that as a civilian i would want to be able to defend myself against god knows what, and not rely on someone else to protect me.

Then it seems most would have at least some basic marksmanship and tactical training/proficiency.

@dk, yeah it just makes sense well to me anyway.

Well the lab photo might have two weapons: one is already discussed and the other could be behind and to the left of the figure, being a British film it could be an modded SA80/L86A1 LS/L85A2 as well.

now there are 2 rifles in that picture already, praise imagination.

Inquisitor Fifield

A double barrel with two different gages. Likely one for medium distance and the other for close encounters(probably not rifle rounds but shot gun 12-20 gage). As Ash asked-"What is the point?"

we ll see in 2 months if there was a w-y storm or any rifle in here.

im all in on no.

I've totally flipped now and I'm with you Inquisitor Fifield.

That most certainly is a Weyland Storm rifle shaped Engineer ant bed.

with a flashlight on it...

Lol Ingeniero

From the way she's holding the weapon, Daniels marksmanship training seems to have consisted of "the bullets come out that end, and this little switch makes them come out. The optics are just decoration" 

I would say Daniels has no Military Background, it would appear she is unarmed at the start and only obtains a Gun off someone else once Hell Breaks Lose.

As far as the Gun Debate...  we need to remember Aliens was set in the future and speculative about its weapons.  Aliens also has some old school Weapons... Handguns and Shotguns..

We need to remember the Gunpowder Fire Arm has not changes drastically in a long time...

The only Evolution is.

*The Slug/Projectile as far as Material, Weight ability to cause more Damage.  Armour Piercing, Explosive etc.

*The Propellant, more efficient cartridges that can propel the Projectile at a faster speed and more power

*The Firing Mechanism and Ammo loading Mechanisms, which allow for a faster rate of loading and firing Weapons.

We cant rule out if these have drastically improved in Alien Covenant,  we also cant say how far Advanced Modern Weapons we have today would be in 100 years.... i think maybe they may not change to much... apart from the above points improve.

The other aspect is the Material and Design of the Stock and Rail system.... to make a Gun more Easy to Hold and Lighter, and i cant see this element changing in 100 years.

Apart from Lighter Materials used....

So if its not broken why fix?

You could take a Standard AR gun... lets say The HK416

If we invent a light weight composite alloy or synthetic material that makes something as hard as Titanium but nearly as light as Aluminum

I can see this used for the Stock of the Gun, the Magazine and even the Bullets... to provide a lighter more strong Projectile.

Maybe we have more advancements in the Propellant so a Chemical Reaction within the Cartridge that is more powerful than current state of the art Ammunition.

so we have a Gun that is as strong as the above HK416 but weighs half the weight, and its Ammunition  is again less than half the weight with a more say 3X powerful Propellant so the Weapon can fire Bullets 3X faster and cause 2X Damage

Replace/Improve the Firing Mechanism and Magazine System to Fire Rounds at 3X standard HK416

Then you have a Futuristic Fire Arm... that would still look pretty much like the HK416 because the Shape of the Gun does not have to change to accommodate the advancements i have suggested

These kinds of Fire Arms are Practical and Cheap

Once we can manufacture a Energy Device/Battery System that Provides Much Much more Power in a Size of a Large Phone or say say a Can of Hairspray.

Then indeed we could see Weapons Change to give us Gauss Guns, Rail Guns... High Powered BB Guns and even Laser Guns

But at the moment the Electrical Requirements for these to be effective would not fit in a compact Fire Arm...  You would need  a backpack the size of TWO Suitcases to even mildly consider such a Weapon.

These things can be placed in Tanks and on Ships.. but we still use more advanced conventional means as its Proven, Tried and Tested and Cheaper.

So i think the Weapons, The Ships and Technology in Alien Covenant is actually very accurate as far as potential in future.

Prometheus was a bit to Advanced...  Aliens was ok but maybe the Weapons not so, then again such a Weapon is possible down the line...  its means of Propellant and Casing are flawed as far as current similar methods...  Prone to Overheating and Jamming.

Yeah the Thompson (actual base frame for the pulse rifle) was popular because it was relatively easy to get, compact, and fully automatic. It isn't the most reliable weapon, it just lent itself to greater modifications due to its compact size.  Current AR's with rail systems are arguably superior tactically to pulse rifles because there are more modular and therefore more versatile.