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ALIEN vs all other ALIEN movies

Drake

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I love the fact that all of us are such hardcore ALIEN fans that we are willing to disregard 4+ movies as non-canon. Most of us would say that ALIENS is canon but there seems to be some debate about that as well. I just think it is very interesting and comical that all of us have so much devotion and admiration to the first film that's so much of the work was created outside of the first film is viewed as a giant waste of time. Requiem was disregarded by every single person who watched it let alone every Alien fan. Alien 3 could have been a great film but obviously was very conflicted so many of us would love to believe that it was simply a dream. Resurrection was produced so poorly that comes across as embarrassing. Prometheus certainly had quite a bit of idiot plot which should not have been present in a Ridley Scott film but otherwise was enjoyed by most of us. Here's hoping that Alien Covenant does not disappoint and becomes permanent canon!

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Just going to say not only do I consider Aliens canon, I enjoy it more than the original

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Oh I certainly consider the alien films canon. But the predator v alien movies are not alien movies...they are unauthorized fanboy tripe that are of course not canon.

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The only one I enjoyed was the first. Really didnt care much for Aliens or A3.

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"I love the fact that all of us are such hardcore ALIEN fans that we are willing to disregard 4+ movies as non-canon. Most of us would say that ALIENS is canon but there seems to be some debate about that as well. I just think it is very interesting and comical that all of us have so much devotion and admiration to the first film that's so much of the work was created outside of the first film is viewed as a giant waste of time. "

"All"? lol

I don't know anyone who is "willing to disregard 4+ movies as non-canon".

Apart from yourself.

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Alien I think is a very special case. It set up a lot of potential avenues that were lost opportunities imo. I think Aliens, 3 and Resurrection work in there own right, but it is a bit like someone skipping tracks when viewing them back to back. What I mean by this, is that when you watch Aliens, you could then watch Aliens directors cut to discover more about the colonists on LV 426. As much as Aliens is a great Sci-fi shoot em up, I think it would have been great if before the arrival of the marines, there had been a movie which portrayed the colonists last stand. The end of which would have you wondering about Newt, with everyone else getting picked off by the xeno’s.

When you go from Aliens to 3, it feels like a major anti-climax as if something more could have happened in between. It is like watching a strippergram turning up to the wrong house. You know there is entertainment value there, but something went wrong with the planning. The big track skip is then onto Resurrection which just seems to occupy a point in space, that does’nt want to be part of the franchise/canon but is. AVP and Requiem feel like they want to be part of a team (bless em), but just don’t know which one. It’s an away match, with bellowing Predators on one side playing against less than capable Xenos, the end result is much like watching a monkey throwing its own excrement at a fog horn. Even B movies have standards.

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@batchpool well said. I understand and feel you're so right, sadly.

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Drake
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@SM...

Many people will say Alien and Aliens are 100% canon.

I have seen TONS of people here say Alien 3, Resurrection, AVP and AVPR are not canon and should be disregarded.  I think it is a testament to the power of the original film that any of us would be willing to consider over half of the current 'Alien' films as non-canonical in a franchise, yet be here obsessing over Alien/Prometheus/AC.

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I LOVE ALIEN3!!!!

Sorry :)

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I thought they were all canon including written things like F&S except for AVP/AVPR. It doesn't seem right to say A3 and AR are not canonical just because someone doesn't like them.

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@dk - Some have said that Alien3 and Resurrection would be viewed as 'dreams' if Blomkamp's Alien 5 were to become a reality.  I imagine Fox wants to let Ridley do all the Alien movies he wants to do, then Blomkamp's Alien 5 gets greenlit...

The canon at at that point would be Prometheus through Aliens, with Alien 5 rewriting the post-Aliens storyline.

 

BOTTOM LINE: Unlike Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc, we do not have established lore.  In the case of Star Wars, everyone can hate Episode 1 all day long, but George Lucas is the one who made it.  Episode 1 is canon, and not debatable.  In the Alienverse though, there is a lot of varying opinion, with the consistency being that ALIEN, ALIENS, Prometheus and AC are 100% canon.  Everything else could be re-written with Alien 5.

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There was a thread similar to this before. I think someone said FOX would have final say of what is or isn't canon.

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Opinions are all very well, but as far as the IP owner is concerned, the "established lore" is - at least - Prometheus, Covenant, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Resurrection.

If people want to disregard certain films - that's up to them.  It's not new for people to do this.  But personal opinions don't determine what is and isn't ultimately canon.

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I have a complete list of everything that is canon.It does indeed include Alien 3 and Resurrection.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

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To put it another way, I am only familiar with the movies and Isolation but not the comics/novelizations. I can't dismiss them just because I have not read them.

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I think it boils down to a common point of reference.  Everyone has seen the films at the very least.  If, like in a recent thread about Alien acid and Ripley's harpoon, someone just wants to refer to a specific film and disregard the others for the purposes of discussion, then they say so.

If they don't, then other things from the wider continuity including the canon comics, novels, etc can be entered into 'evidence'.

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@ Drake – I agree with your view on what canon would be if Alien 5 gets greenlit. But there is something very odd that now stands out. It is the numeric series of 1,2 then 5. I remember that Prometheus was at one point supposed to be part of a trilogy, but that has now changed and I find myself wondering if Alien 5 is the fourth movie to follow from Prometheus. Is 5 to become the fourth? At some point there was part of Alien 5 that did not dovetail correctly with Ridley’s vision. With Ridley as executive Producer, then canon is all the way down the line subject to Ridley being the grand architect of Alien lore.

 

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It's a film franchise, so all films in its name are canon. Period. Including the AVP films -- as much as it pains me! This is as true for Terminator as it is for Alien -- and that asset has been passed around the studio's. Finally, novelization and comics are not canon, simply because it's a different medium -- just like the new Logan film is NOT canon because Wolverine and the X-Men are a comic book franchise, so only comic books are canonical.

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Batchpool

I don't think Alien 5 has been officially green lit so who knows?

SM mentioned IP owners as being the deciding entity- I am not sure if that is FOX like I mentioned.

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We also have that new rule book to consider 

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

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I heard of the rule book- has it been published for the public (I doubt)?

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