Versions Of Humanity

I hope and I have a feeling that Ridley is keeping one of these versions of humanoid or possibly "other type" of being in reserve. In one of his interviews he indicated that there was something that was a higher power involved in creation of humanity and it wasn't the engineers.... I feel it would be awesome if in the next film he introduced them and whatever new cosmic terrors they bring with them... Having something out there like that keeps the ancient cosmic mystery and horror element.... It would be awesome if although they were creators they were also equally evil and disturbing... Fits this film universe well, perhaps David's actions and experimenting have awoken them or called to them somehow

@Grinning & Dropping Linen

Me too, I don't want to know all the surprises all at once. The 'Higher Powers' I am likewise quite curious about.

My theory is the Higher Powers have created the Types of Humanity, and are only stepping in when they feel the need to 'adjust' things, but overall have set in motion that the Types of Humanity shall contest vs each other and in the end only the one most fit and best shall ascend and survive.

similar to Babylon 5 perhaps? one ancient race, older than the rest, created us younger species and watch from a far but when one of their creations steps out of line such as the engineers/ us playing god, they step in and bring their wrath down upon us? 

This is a bad wild but maybe one are the yautja(The predator)Thanks to the Fire and Stone series being Canon,they are indeed part of the Alien universe,but that's up for debate in my opinion.

I have no problem with them being in the same universe. both r fox and I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for weyland corp to be aware of both species. I would rather the 2 species have never come across each other yet. my guess is they will look into another AVP in some form but id rather see it in space, in the future and something where there is more a level playing field. to believe humans can survive a yautja hunt? yes. to believe they could survive a xeno infestation? ok. but to survive both is harder. if the yautja had no idea of the xeno and when they attacked humans they were taken by surprise, that would give the humans a better chance, imo.

I prefer both to exist in seperate film universes. What makes the Alien movies great is far different than what makes the Predator movies good, both thematically and tonally. The Alien films work best when you don't see much of the creature, it's shadowy and it plays out like a gothic horror. Ratcheting up suspense and the sense of foreboding, playing havoc with your fear and imagination..... While Predator is a bit more bombastic, and not so subtle. His kills and weapons are on full display and it's more like an action film with suspense when done right. I'm not saying they couldn't do both species justice in same film, but just in my opinion the elements that make each work don't work well in the same film, and it ends up a mess. I would rather they leave them seperate because their attempts at blending both , tarnish both film franchises .... They just don't work, the things that work in Alien just don't work well with the themes and structure of what works best for Predator

grinning, I do agree at least for a while both should be left separate. let ridley, blomkamp, black and whoever else restore these truly great franchises. but given the right script and director theres no reason we cant get a better instalment of avp. the avp and avpr movies were done cheaply and quickly. they have left a sour taste in the fans mouths but the concept of the 2 in the same universe works. we just need a director who can mould the 2, give us pure horror when the xeno is involved and a bit more faster paced when the yautja is on his own

Not sure of any interviews that confirm this 4-5 Humanoids...

I think the scope is far greater than this....   I did mention 4-5 Generations of Humans well Mankind 2 years ago near enough as this is what the Source i had who had information on the then Prometheus 2 draft (October 2014) had claimed.

That we need to consider Humans well Mankind as of now... as the 4th or 5th Generation and we did not evolve from Apes but that Engineer DNA is linked in this process.

They also claimed that Mankind had been to that System before which i assumed they mean Zeta 2 but could have meant where Paradise is, but seems they was on about LV-223/426

They claimed that Biblical Punishments are events that had happened in the past but not directly in context to our Generation.

Those beings above the Engineers have Technologies that can Manipulate Worlds, not only as far as Geometric as far as Core of Worlds to cause Seismic Activity and Volcanic and so to change the Surface of Worlds... But also they can effect the Climates and bring about Floods and Ice Ages and even Massive Storms including Lighting Storms... and these are all used to Terra-from Worlds...  but they also can and have been used as Re-set Switches to Wipe out and Start Again...

This Technology can prove Dangerous

so this from the Source did hint that indeed Engineers and beings on Paradise are technically perhaps earlier ancestors and indeed that Humanoid Races have been wiped out over and over by these beings at the Top of the Hierarchy

Ridley Scott made some comments to those who was on Set in the Summer of 2016,  that Humans are one of many various forms of our kind.

This indeed could seem as a back up to what the Source claimed, but also it could mean the beings at the Top of the Hierarchy have created many Humanoid Species throughout the Galaxy. 

Could Predators had been one of these?

I think its something they could explore in a expanded universe as far as a Alternative one... that maybe we will never see in a Movie....

But as far as where they are going i dont think we will directly get any clues or signs that put Predators in the same Universe as Alien as far as the Prometheus ==> Alien Canon.

Indeed AVP Universe had potential had they stuck to the Plot of the Video Games and so it was set in the year 2150+

All good posts and statements guys, Thank-you for contributing on this topic of mine! :)

Here's where I got the 4 or 5 Versions of Humanity from:

"We were also told that this isn't the first time Humans (or another Humanoid within the chain) have been to this planet (Paradise) in Alien: Covenant, which was confirmed in the latest trailer when Demián Bichir's character noticed Human vegetation on the planet's surface. Humans, Engineers and 3-4 other iterations of "Humanoid" beings have all been created and seeded throughout many universes. The Engineer/Alien debacle is not limited to our own Galaxy."

http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/engineers-did-not-create-humanity-or-xenomorph

As for the Predators, I'd prefer they stay out of the ALIENverse, at least for a while, and if/when brought in, that it's done in a more 'ALIEN' style than monster-mash as we've seen in the past.

That said, I have a literary work of my own that I hope Fox will License and make Canon. It's built solidly on Sir Ridley Scott's manner of handling the ALIENverse, and explores some potentials that haven't been addressed yet.

BWW,

I found something very interesting in your quote.  "seeded throughout many universes."  This allows for Alien 5 where Ripley, Hicks, and Newt are still alive.

Also speaking of 4-5 iterations of humanoids.  There are Humans, Angels, Nephilim, and God.  

Rick

Ty for commenting! Yeah is sounds like Sir Ridley Scott is going to be taking us on quite a 'tour' as things sound to be getting quite a bit more expansive regarding the ALIENverse! :D

Alternate Reality theiry, yeah, Hicks and Newt could well be alive. However, they might be just using the word 'universes' to refer to Galaxies...more than a few times in sci-fi have we heard in interviews where people use the word 'galaxy' to refer to star systems and such.

Also, as to ALIEN 3's dubious Canonicity, Hicks and Newt might well be alive in the Primary Timeline...

Im all for a bit of evolutionary backstory (Xenos, Engineers & humans) leading up to and into Alien, but as long as it doesn't detract from the main story...the Xenomorph. Benevolent Creators, and alternate timelines muddle from the story, it is good enough without the need for over-cooking it. It could also make the existing films look like a step backwards with an overly complex prequel story. 

Personally I like the bleak godlessness of Alien 3. The mystery of why any god/creator/ancient race would allow this violent, unmerciful survivor of a species to exist adds to the hopelessness of ever believing it can be defeated. The prisoners of Fury 161 looked to God for salvation for their past sins, but got a Xeno instead. 

Blackwinter-witch, those living on Paradise could most certainly be another type of humanity and different from the Engineers on LV-223. Great topic.

The way each (LV-223 Engineers and Paradise residents) live on their respective planets is vastly different.

IRaptus

"Im all for a bit of evolutionary backstory (Xenos, Engineers & humans) leading up to and into Alien, but as long as it doesn't detract from the main story...the Xenomorph. Benevolent Creators, and alternate timelines muddle from the story, it is good enough without the need for over-cooking it. It could also make the existing films look like a step backwards with an overly complex prequel story. 

Personally I like the bleak godlessness of Alien 3. The mystery of why any god/creator/ancient race would allow this violent, unmerciful survivor of a species to exist adds to the hopelessness of ever believing it can be defeated. The prisoners of Fury 161 looked to God for salvation for their past sins, but got a Xeno instead."

I simply agreed about Alt-realities as to acknowledge the fact that in physics, such would allow Newt and Hicks to remain alive.

I do NOT ever want to see any Alternate-Reality/Time-Travel hopping/involvement I agree with you that such would muddle things, detract from the story and generally bollux things royally. This is ALIEN, after all, and not Star Trek. :D

ALIEN 3 has it's merits, it suffered from an extremely troubled production, with 'too many cooks' syndrome.

The bleak godlessness, yes, that's the 'flavour' that I think so many of us enjoy about the ALIENverse.

Ingeniero

TY for commenting & the compliment!

The architecture between the buildings on LV-223 and Paradise, good point, are quite different, and TY for the pics!!

This information about the 4-5 Generations is not something Ridley Scott has mentioned, this was information the Source i had gave me TWO years ago, well bit longer.

Which Ridleys Interview Recently kind of supports. Where he said as far as Mankind we are one of many forms, when alluding to those Superior Beings as far as the Head Statues in Alien Covenant.

Also on the Topic of those Mounds in Prometheus... i have a made a connection which is in this TOPIC

But i will post the Images here...

I can see how these Buddhist Stupa Buildings look similar and also the Dome in Alien Covenant has 4 Outfacing Statues that are sitting and holding a Bowl... which is much like the Buddha Offering Statues

These are in place of where a Stupa has its 4 Torana which are Gateways to the Stupa and a symbol of Teachings and Blessings of the Buddha 

Hi Blackwinter Witch, sorry if my post came across argumentative, it wasn't my intention. I have great faith in Ridley Scott keeping the ship on path, he'll find a way to tie everything together nicely.

An alt-timeline could solve the Alien 3&4 -->> Alien 5 divergence for all us people that need closure, myself included lol.

I do like the idea of different versions of humanity throughout the universe, some good, some bad? Do you think Synthetics could be another type? Someone suggested that WY could be governed by synths, maybe they are pushing some type of synthetic AI agenda? 

Yeah you are correct about Alien 3 having too many cooks. damn shame too, you can see the potential in that film it just never hit the mark. But for what it is I still enjoy it, it gave us the Runner Alien, which is an awesome little beast.

If they are to do an Alien 5 sequel I'm interested to see what Blomkamp can do. His films tend to have that bleak futuristic dystopian feel to them which suits Alien. It'll be polished, glitzy and over-produced but he has a good vision for his films and hes not afraid to be bold. 

As far as OT here is what the Source claimed as of March 2015

*We are the 4-5th Generation of our kind.

*We should not look at Evolution like Darwin has that we Evolve from Apes, but that indeed Engineer DNA is tied with out Ancestry instead.

*Mankind has been to that System before (i assume either LV-223 or where Paradise is).

*Biblical Events such as Punishments by God like the Great Flood etc are actually events that happened in context to the Plot but to not literally consider these Biblical Events had been towards our Generation.

And so when we read Ridleys Comments from a few weeks back “The Egyptians were obsessed with afterlife, so they built their whole culture around afterlife. I think it’s very interesting… are we one of many? Of course we are. We’re one of many, many variations. And that’s something now they’re saying is entirely feasible. So I like to open up that door.”

I think this kind of does tie in to what was said...

I also think they are taking us to a deeper story as far as Creation and it will defer from Aliens and Queens and Ripley, because you cant surely make 6 more movies about Xenomorphs... the beast is already Cooked... and unless they show different forms and similar created Horrors... then i cant see how more than 2 more movies would be needed before the Beast is totally Cooked.  More so than those Engineers on Paradise lol

I think there is more to the story, but they are going to tease Aliens first so as to engage those fans who switched off when it came to the Prometheus Engineers and Creation Plot.