Bitter/Sweet pre and post movie release

Yes. I have yet to see it but had no problem learning everything in advance. As someone who is making pre-watch judgements, I'm already warning people who I previously endorsed it to. This is against my nature but from what I've learned, it was clear I needed to correct the wrong-headed preparation I gave to several friends. If anyone can't imagine what that's like, I can firsthand tell you it sucks.

My diminishing hope is that Ridley/Fox is using the strategy of saving the best for later movies. Stupid move btw, for a series of films who's conclusion is so up in the air.

And STILL....I hold out hope for the restorative affect of future films that bring it all together in the manner we've all hoped for.

Dying inside,

QES

 P.S.

Don't hate me for being so judgmental.

You all know I'm not like this. Today a co-worker who previously told me they liked Prometheus, spent over an hour shitting on it and celebrating Covenant's return to the "alien feel". It was unsettling to hear the shift from someone who is fairly intelligent about movies. 

 Double P.S.

Ridley should put the bottle down when he's working on a project he clearly deems critical to his legacy. I have no doubt that whiskey played a role in his decision to heed the complaints against the deeper concepts.

Again, aware I'm making irrational declarations but I'm sorry. Whether I've seen it or not, just knowing the path he's chosen to take is more than enough.

QES- That is encouraging!

I suppose what I mentioned is less about the movie itself but more what I perceive as a general change in the over all vibe around here. Granted- Prometheus veterans may know the feeling better. I imagine it will all level out in time. I kind of miss the general fun and games. Seems more serious now.

Triple P.S.

I should also put the bottle down. 

Night guys  :)

Only when it is empty ;)

Well, of course everything is different. Many fanboys are suffering from post trauma disorder right now. A lot of adjustments to do in their heads. I am following these developments closely. I know of a youtuber who watched a movie 3 times even after admitting upon first viewing, that it would be very hard for him to watch it again. The first time around he said he hated the film and gave it a 6 out of 10. The second time he hated it even more. The third time he experienced an epiphany and now he is convinced it is one of the best movies ever. And I know about a few high profile bloggers, among them some who have even been invited to the world premiere, who went in the opposite direction, and now seem to acknowledge the movie is not good and probably are ruminating on the futility of their online theorizing. Their sound castles have been torn apart, and now it's either quitting on the Alien franchise or starting all over again from Ground Zero.

dk

I apologize for digressing from the topic. It is a good one and quite thoughtful. I will try to offer a meaningful contribution tomorrow or perhaps Friday.

Right now I'm feeling my feelings probably far more than I should

joylitt Interesting. I was only a casual lurker when Prometheus came out but imagine this forum may have been similar. I believe Chris or BD even said things got really crazy back in 2012. Thanks- I like the things you post and comment on.

joylitt

Encouraging thoughts. Speaks to the side of my opinions right now that are looking at the successes in the plot.

dk Thank you I enjoy your posts as well

QueenElizabethShaw good news is the US press has given the rottentomatoes score a boost and Alien: Covenant is now Certified fresh. Not the same luck with the imdb score though, lot of hate there.

Awhile ago I said I was trying to keep my expectations in check.  But in the back of my mind I obviously was hopeful that there was some genuine surprise and more to the Engineer storyline than what they were showing in preview and spoilers and what not.  

I also said I feel like I already know exactly what will happen in the movie.  After knowing what happens, I feel that was accurate.  

Im disappointed the Engineers didn't play a bigger part.  I really hope they bring it back at some point.  

With that said, I'm still going to see it and probably love it because I'm an Alien nerd.  But man was I looking forward to some answers.  I wonder the real reason why the Engineers didn't play a bigger role.  

DirtWolf Fair enough. I wanted more Xeno/action and that is what it sounds like what we will get. I am fine with exploring the Engineers next go around after getting my action ya yas out.

DirtWolf I guess all that backlash against "Prometheus" and Lindeloff is to blame for that. There was no need to be so harsh with them. The problems in "Prometheus" were fixable, I wonder if keeping the same writers wouldn't have been better. At least they specialize in sci-fi, unlike Logan and company. This time around history kinda repeats itself, only now everybody is blaming Ridley Scott, which is not good at all for the future of the franchise.

Yeah I've noticed the shift in tone/mood/feel around here, and it should level out in time, right now things are in a state of change.

I have to admit I am feeling kinda deflated. I'm just keeping quiet until folks stateside have seen Covenant and till I have had a second viewing.

@dk

I haven't been on the forum much lately so I haven't noticed the mood, but I was proposing that perhaps they're disappointed for the same reason I am, but it's just a guess.  

But I definitely wanted more Xeno action.  But I figured Engineers would play a little bit bigger role.  I understand that they didn't need Engineers to play a big role to tell this story, as it focuses more on David and the Xenos.  So if the writing process naturally led them to a story that just didn't need the Engineers, then that makes sense, rather than trying to force them in there for no reason.  

Maybe they'll pick back up on it in a later movie and everything will line up perfectly, and then people might look back at Covenant as a nice change of pace.  But I really hope they don't just drop the storyline.  All that world building, just to scrap it... that would suck and be dumb.  

Who knows though.  Maybe they already know where they're going with the Engineers storyline, and maybe they figure they only need 1 or 2 movies to do it.  If they ever do continue with it, I hope the "answers" are profound and creative.  

@joylitt

I know Prometheus had its problems and that a lot of people criticized it, but I agree that the backlash was a little too much.  But I honestly never thought that people had a problem with the Engineers.  I've never seen or heard anyone complain about them.  

The main complaints I've seen are:

- Too much was crammed into the movie to the point where it didn't make sense to a lot of people, which mostly seems due to cutting out too much stuff.  

- Things were too vague, like the opening sacrifice scene, David's motive, worms, Fifield, the black goo in general, etc... this also seems due to cutting out too much stuff.  

- Bad pacing.  Too boring, which I think is a silly complaint.  

- Bad characters.  

- Raised more questions than answers, which I also think is silly because that's half the fun.  

- No Xenos.

So most of those things are due to the filming/editing process rather than the plot itself.  And I really don't see how not including Engineers solves any of those problems.  I figured the Prometheus sequel would be Prometheus with a tad bit more action and some Xenos.  

But it is what it is.  Maybe Ridley already had a plan on how he wants to continue the Engineer storyline and it just didn't fit into Covenant.  Or maybe he really did just do it for the people who complained.  If that's the case then I don't think Ridley should be blamed for anything.  I'm going to judge the film by itself, rather than compare it to Prometheus and what I personally wanted out of a sequel.  A good film is a good film, and I'm sure I'll love it regardless.  

Did a lot of people really not like the Engineers in Prometheus?

Yeah things will be a mixed bag for the next week or so.  Once everyone has seen the movie the theories will start flying again. Other than Chris I think I am the oldest active member of the forums, I remember it did this with Prometheus.  We have a lot of people holding out to avoid spoilers.

im just still stuck in disbelief.

from about the start of march i have been checking a:c news 3 or 4 times per day. before that just maybe a few times per week just enough to what news is about.

i pieced together the plot,which is fine. its something i wanted to do. however, for me it was going to be the reveals that were coming that i was looking forward to.

after the tracklisting which gave us the plot we had missing i decided there were maybe only 3 reveals at the most. so i got myself grounded before going in. keeping my expectations, somehow down.  even though it was the last thing i wanted to do but things were looking real. so i did.

so after watching and to my disbelief: we got nothing. thats zero. yes after release we will notice some stuff to keep us busy for a thread or so. other than that, we are back to theorising over scraps. the same scraps we have overdone waiting for a:c.

i just dont know if its worth decoding engineer texts, murals exploring potential mythology if their is no answers anyway. it was all for nothing and im unsure if its going to be worth any further time investment into the universe after this??????

so a bit numb is the feeling