Thoughts on peoples complaints.
Alien: Covenant Forum Topic
Engineer Tech Brett
MemberOvomorphMay 21, 201712062 Views58 RepliesRight here goes…..
Im not going to lie, I enjoyed Alien Covenant and I think some of the flak its getting is a bit unwarranted. Is it as good as Alien? No but that is such a difficult task, same goes for comparing it to Aliens.
One of the complaints I see most from people is the “why aren't they wearing helmets for landing on the planet?”
Right, this is a crew from a colony ship. A ship you would think has technology for scanning the planet to see if the air is breathable. We know the ship can because there is a scene where one of the crew points out that its a better suited planet than the one they are going for. They travel to that planet for weeks, do you think they did nothing that whole time or do you think they got prepared for said planet by studying it? Just because we didn't see them study or prepare doesn't mean they didn't do it. Remember they were traveling to Origae-6 to live there and this Planet is better suited to them.
They are also going to this planet because they believe that there is a human living there. Why would they need the space suits for a planet they believe a human to be living on for?
Another complaint is “Stupid people touching stuff”
Im guessing this is in reference to the Black Goo Spores. Its a plant, not something you would be afraid to touch. Even if someone was afraid to touch it, you would then wonder why the hell they would be afraid to touch it. People are actually moaning about a character touching the plant because we know its deadly. No one says anything about touching the wheat. They were touching stuff all the way up to the ship that Shaw and David traveled in.
Dont stand on the ground people, we don't know what will happen……
“Why did David kill all the engineers?”
I dont think that they are engineers. If they are then they all must have had reconstructive surgery because they don't really look like the engineers from prometheus. They look like engineers as much as we do. I think they are just another humanoid species that was engineered the same way we were.
There is a bit of a difference there....
Also, the trailer says “The path to Paradise begins in hell”. This planet is just a stepping stone to Paradise, its the path. We have yet to get there.
The complaint about David being the creator of the Alien.
This one, I believe, is born out of the fact that a lot of people over the years wanted some sort of Alien planet, a planet where these things came from. That they weren't some sort of black goo weapon. Well, tough. They are a weapon that the engineers created and that David then ‘perfected’.
The mural in Prometheus was an indication of what the black goo did. It wasn't a Xenomorph on that wall, it was a creature like the Xenomorph. If we are honest it looked more like the Deacon.
The Alien comes from the Black goo that the engineers made and David then worked on to prefect.
Is Alien Covenant brilliant, no but it isn't bad either. It seems that people are trying to tie the “problems” that were so often cited about Prometheus to this film also. I get that not everyone is going to like this film but hate it for the right reasons.
Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.
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Any product that has ever been made, generates complaints by the end user for one reason only. It was not fit for purpose. The question then is why buy into a product to be let down. Who is to blame? I think that in the world of entertainment it is a matter of being sold an expectation that does not happen. I like AC because it was everything I was expecting it to be. I do not feel stung by the ticket price for the entertainment I got in return.
That being said, AC is far from being immune to criticism for lots of reasons. The whole franchise is going down a risky path because of the direction Ridley is taking it in. The problem started before Prometheus came out. Ridley stated that he wanted to do a trilogy. The reality of what we have right now, is the second act of a three part venture. When you look at other films that have done this, there has always been mixed reactions. Until the third film comes along, I am hesitant to give any real valued judgement simply because everything up to now is work in progress.
I think that those who feel they have been let down should be allowed to vent their anger as it is only natural.
The direction I think the franchise is going in is this. Ridley has cleared the decks and approached things from a fresh slate, so forget any meaningful references to anything that has gone before, but he does know that you cannot just un-invent the original Alien. He has now produced two movies that have developed a life of their own, and used some of the key elements used in the original Alien. Such elements being demanded by the fans, and probably the studio. The end result could be a third film that rounds off the trilogy and when all three are watched in sequence, back to back everything makes sense. But here comes the punchline. I don’t think there will be such an obvious direct link to the original Alien. I think the end result will be that when you have watched the trilogy, everything in that universe will tie up, but then when you watch Alien it will be like watching a different story altogether where the viewer sees the old space jockey and thinks, where the hell did that come from? That would keep the mystery of the old space jockey, whilst having a trilogy that seems to answer loads of other questions. The infuriating thing is having to wait for that third instalment and I just hope what we have up to know has not lost the impetus to see to job completed.
@ colonialsoldier
Running with the idea of more focus on aliens, David now has the ability to produce a xeno army. I don’t know what interviews you have seen with Ridley recently, but in one interview I’ve seen he hinted at war. This sounds promising, but would it be a human vs xeno war, of a engineer vs xeno war of something else?
I think it would be great if there was a Lord of the Rings scale fight.
I think the whole new trilogy would be helped, big time, if something like that could be pulled off. It is that sort of action sequence that I think has been missing.
As a writer I had some concerns about the stories I'm working on and how they'd align to ALIEN: Covenant.
I'm no longer concerned as I'm splitting my prespective off from where ALIEN: Covenant and the entire franchise is seemingly headed.
There's some damned stupid things In ALIEN: Covenant that I just can't accept and as they're now Canon for having been in the movie...well, I'm not gonna have sloppy, stupid and half-assed concepts in my realm.
My works, well I might be an amateur, but I can state that I know more about how to keep a production 'ALIEN-y' than FOX does.
I blame FOX, not R. Scott for the debacle unfolding before us as FOX truly loves to meddle, kibbitz and generally screw around while an ALIEN film is in production.
If they left R. Scott the hell alone to do his magic, there'd be NP...but, NOPE...FOX always has a fetish for diddling around.
That and I smell Hill and Giler, their kibbitzy, asstard influence is all over this.
IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING
"Then again why was Lope not given the same... he was taken to a Med-Bay and never given any screening after being attacked by a Alien Parasitic Face Hugger.... surely they would want to have him scanned... But doing this would have detected a Xenomorph and then well... what do they do then... torch him? even if they locked the Room... it would effected the other scenes (Shower Scene) because everyone would have known about the Organism on board."
The way I handled it in my short story is in a manner that would work quite well in an infirmary as well. ;)
The below takes place in an airlock.
" It raised itself up, it’s body now fully visible, no sign of any apprehension or fear on it’s part. It’s small jaws closed, but even then it’s small, sharp greyish crystalline-metal teeth could be seen. No eyes nor ears could be seen, there was nothing but the small, toothed mouth. An oddly corrugated artery could be seen pulsing visibly close by and upwardly-behind it’s jaw.
It raised fully up, like a cobra she’d seen in a vid once, seemed to be surveying the room. She felt a distinct impression it could see, or rather sense them all perfectly.
The tiny maw opened, and it emitted an odd sound, a raggedly mewling rasped-hiss before it tore the rest of it’s snakelike length from the man’s body and with the speed of a striking snake vanished in a single wriggling motion that propelled it under a bench seat that was part of the wall. There was the sudden sound of thin metal being torn rapidly, then nothing.
It wasn’t until some hours later that things had taken a much graver and terrifying turn for the worse. "
There's air vents with thin pressed-metal grilles even in airlocks, right? Medbays also. ;)
Quatantine doesn't mean a whole lot to something that can get into an air vent and tear through the air-seal blocker-plate.
IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING
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