David Uploaded His Programming into Walter

I had a hard time buying into this theory but apparently RS said as much during the Empire podcast.  I listened to it and didn't hear it specifically but may have missed it.  

Yes it was already confirmed via podcast by the director, thanks to Svanya.  I suppose he must have done so at the speed of light to reach the lander at time.

Keep in mind the David vs Walter fight scenes(s). *dont read to avoid spoilers*

Walter was badly damaged two times while he is a resilient as f* upgraded model.

I didnt saw what David ripped of Walter the first time from his neck becasue of bad lighting. It looked like some internal AI,control module.

The second fight he got some body hits.

And when he finally managed to immobilize David (after his hopeless attempts to destroy Walter) and punched his face you see him stop for a moment when David says to him that he should choose the right side.

In the same moment David grabs a knife and Walter looks like he continue to hit him in the face again, but we cant see (what really happened) because in this brief moment there is a cut.

walter have better ability. but he doesnt have 'creative'. so walter wanna be a david. walter knew AI of david8 is something wrong but he didnt told to people even daniels. david is smart so he could upload his mind into walter. i just impressed. when david acting walter, he used american accent. and when daniels slept, he used his british accent again

some really great points.

heres something i wrote down:

Walter passcode at beginning was: 31564-F

At the end the android says: Use code David 73694-B

So they have similar codes. Both 5 numbers, dash, one letter.

This could be meaningless or it could mean David has had some contact with WY? 

Was it this contact that allowed David to assume Walters control or indeed as you say "Upload his programming"?

@Roger55 Actually what I mentioned was that Ridley said David physically switched places with Walter, cutting off his own hand, not that David put his programming into Walter. (He even cuts his hair to look like Walter).

Ridley also mentions that David is around 80 years old and that Weyland knew as soon as he spoke to David in the first few minutes of contact with him that he was dangerous and a mistake, but couldn't bring himself to destroy him. David is like HAL from 2001. That's fascinating imo. 

Here is the link to the podcast: Alien: Covenant Spoiler Special With Sir Ridley Scott

@Svanya 

I meaning the same as you pointing. Thank you.

@Roger55 Ah ok my bad, I understood you said that I confirmed David put his programming into Walter. Not that they had switched places physically. xx

Good discussion here; thanks.  There's a lot of conflicting info about what Ridley said.  Again, the red herring is that David would have a hole in the chin from the nail.  The android aboard the Covenant at the end of the movie has no such scar on his chin.  That's the clincher.

Walter awoke.

He was back online. His sensors told him he was without body. David had decapitated him. It was completely dark. He could smell and taste organic cloth. 

He was in a sack.

David must of woven it. Such creativity.

Walter also determined he was surrounded by stone. Jammed into a crevice or stored in a box, perhaps dropped down a dry well? He did not know.

Walter could hear footsteps.....

The USCSS Nostromo was preparing to get underway......

"He was in a sack. David must of woven it. Such creativity."

As for the hole in his neck, it's such a small wound who would even notice, and why would David go through the trouble to cut his hair to match Walter's if only to just download himself into Walter anyways? Has anyone read the novel yet? What does it say? That should answer the question, right? My copy is set to arrive on thursday. 

Good points, Lilly.  While watching the film, I guessed the David/Walter swap as soon as they were back on the ship.  If you watch the film closely, you see the android at angles several times that clearly show the underside of his chin.  This is the tip-off that the android body IS that of Walter.  I'm not sure of the relevance of the hair; I didn't think that David cut his hair to match that of Walter's.  I thought that he trimmed his hair back to his old look and shaved because he wanted to look presentable and trustworthy to his guests (he did it when they first arrived in the Engineer city).  Now, I'm not an "insider" or anything, but that is what the film presents.  I don't know if the book differs in these regards. The problem with comparing the book to the film is that if only one version answers a question, then you have another useful piece of the puzzle.  If the book differs from the film, then you simply have two different events that may as well have occurred in different universes.

Not getting off the programming issue, but they are connected... is it safe to assume the NEW David/Walter amalgam utilized Dr. Shaw's reproductive organs(information-wise, AND actual harvesting of her organics to his internals) to 'engineer'/gestate the facehugger embryos? This certainly would lead to what WE all know as H.R. Giger's biomechanical design of what would be the coming familial Egg/Xenomorph seen in Scott's ALIEN in 1979. So in summation, let me get this straight;

David is not only HAL(2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY, David's voice cadence is the same), but he's also a Queen! ;)

@Ripleys_Ghost  Lol! thanks for that!

So is David still on Planet 4 or Walter?

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You see David grabbing a knife before Walter made his "final punch" into his face.

Maybe he hit one of Walter's exposed vital systems to deactivate him again so he can manipulate/modify him.

Indeed. Been watching the film repeatedly, as  Ridley is My favorite director, Alien COVENANT has a bit of a RESURRECTION feel to it, it's very dark, quirky, with more of a Stanley Kubrick-esque weirdness to it. Gralen, your avatar makes me think SchwarzenEGGer should play a future engineer... sent to hunt down David!

We need to remember a lot of flaws are bad ideas, and bad writing and going against what is more logical...

But indeed it appears David just swapped clothes and places, this has some flaws as people have noted the missing hole in the Chin.

But then the alternative is to ask how does David have time and in what way can he upload himself to overwrite Walters Program..... which could get us to wonder why does David not know about the Cabin on the Lake.

Logically explanation is IF David did upload himself to Walter, then it was a complete Overwrite of Walters System including any memories/files he had.

For David to be 80 years old, confirms he is not David 8 but David 1, but then as i speculated a while ago, its likely every new David Prototype... Weyland uploads the previous Prototypes Memories and Experiences to each new Prototype.

Thus making David truly Immortal and also having a Soul of sorts...

I think they could have used this with Walter, in having Walter have some device that he would attempt to Maintain and Update Davids Software, but instead David manages to Replace Walters with Davids...

"At the end the android says: Use code David 73694-B"

This is one thing i think some people miss.... indeed David does this and then MUTHUR refers to him as David.

Its a interesting little Twist... why would David know a Code that would have some input into a Ship no doubt built after David had set off on the Prometheus mission.

Its ambiguous, and so could be just all WY MUTHUR Systems have a Master-Code... but surely after a Merger they would have had a New Master-Code.....  so its interesting and i have a feeling they could be exploring the AI a bit more.

ASH and MUTHUR was working together in Alien, and so who knows id RS is going to have it that AI is actually running things without Mankind even being aware.

"Why would David know a Code that would have some input into a Ship no doubt built after David had set off on the Prometheus mission". ~BigDave

I assume it's because Weyland gave full access to David on the original mission, and that access was never rescinded because both David and Mr.Weyland were reported MIA/Dead and there was no need to change it. It's possibly even something only Mr.Weyland knew about. 

As for David being the first, the prototype David1, I think that was obvious, he was always the template, the original model in my mind. He was Mr.Weyland's "son", that's why he was always with Mr.Weyland, at his side. He was the first he ever built, we even get to see him choose his name at the beginning of the movie. The rest of the David line were modeled after him.

I like that Ridley says Weyland knew David was a mistake/dangerous but was too proud of his creation to destroy him. It's a theme we see a few times in the series, creating something dangerous and not destroying it because of our pride and hubris, only to have it be our downfall.