David Uploaded His Programming into Walter

The idea i had for David that i would have explored with my drafts, was indeed David 1P had his memories/emotions transferred to David 2P then David 3P and so on... this was Weyland own personal Son...

But Weyland did not create David because he could, yes he saw they could make him Rich once Androids become widely used...  its also not 100% because Weyland wanted to be GOD and Create his own...

But i wondered did Weyland create David, and was always Evolving the Model and then transferring Davids memories/emotions HIS SOUL in the Hope that one day once Weyland has Perfected David, if he can then find a way that Weyland can Store his own Memories/Emotions and experiences into a Synthetic, that he can keep transferring from model to model.

Then Weyland would have conquered Mortality and become Immortal.  But for all of Weylands Success, he could not achieve this and Transcend his Soul into a Synthetic.

Getting Old and Desperate, he then Foolishly resorted into Shaw and Holloways findings, in the hope that finding our Real Creators could grant him Immortality.

This is what i thought was going on, and what indeed i would have gone with... with my Prometheus 2 and sequels..

I really hope FOX/RS maybe explore this idea.

Did David copy his his memory's(cut and paste if you will) I would think it better to clone yourself. Little reason to 'move' your data rather than 'copy'?

The original David is still on Planet 4 and a copy of his memory's are aboard Walter heading for places unknown? *shrug*

I would think all synthetics have a backup Read Only Memory chip just in case they suffer a catastrophic error and need to reboot.

David is a virus...Maybe Walter and David are in a epic battle for software control? 

It's likely that all command staff have access codes, and this would include the ship's android.  Each vessel has a "MUTHUR" computer, and it would likely contain all current codes and *perhaps* any command codes that haven't been rescinded.  David went Control-Meta-Shift cuckoo.  But, nobody on Earth knows that.  So his codes *may be* current and valid.  Getting back to David/Walter et al, another red herring is that David's voice box is damaged and he spoke with an inflection much like that of Ash in the first movie.  In any case, each movie is a bit of a retcon, and *anything* is possible.  The plot thickens, as they say...

All these very good hypotheticals are great for discussion and i enjoy reading them but what it really means for me is again a weak plot and script where Scott backs himself into corners and then has to jump through hoops to get out of them. The David and Walter switch or not does not make any sense if considered objectively. Why didnt muthur recognise David as an imposter? Why didnt muthur detect the life forms in him? If we are to believe Weyland has something to do with it again there is nil evidence to back it up. 

Well, of course... THAT is for ANOTHER sequel(one would think)!

Sorry far to wishy washy messy matrix. Uploading, downloading, syncing, space lag... Nah. David is David... In David, no Freaky Fridays. ;)

David stabbed Walter in the neck, should have killed or disabled him. On the next android titan vs titan battle, Walter pauses when he has the advantage, David is seen reaching for the knife... Who knows.. Second time lucky? Hope not Walter was/is a sweetheart.  

"Nah. David is David... In David, no Freaky Fridays. ;)"

Liar, lair, pants on fire.

In the novelization Daniels rams that nail in David 8's eye and it heals like you would expect Walter's to.

Page 292, "As he tossed it aside, the injured eye began to cloud over. A temporary optical glaze formed as the material repaired itself. Internal capsulation that had no counterpart in a human body pumped fresh restorative replacement material into the eye."

I believe the small hole in his chin would be less work for David 8's restorative capability.

"In the novelization Daniels rams that nail in David 8's eye and it heals like you would expect Walter's to."

Thanks for the quote from the book; that's pretty interesting.  Are there any scenes in the movies wherein an android's system repairs itself like that?  I didn't think that this was a possibility because Walter (or David) appears on the Covenant with many unrepaired scrapes and cuts.  I believe that it's Daniels that staples' the androids cheek abraisions with surgical staples?

"ASH and MUTHUR was working together in Alien, and so who knows id RS is going to have it that AI is actually running things without Mankind even being aware."

Hi BigDave. I'm starting to think the exact same thing.

Especially since Mother took David 8's "hailing" code without hesitation and Mother deploying the sails just before the atypical energy burst to absorb the full force. And on page 245 of the novelization David 8 was "waiting for Mother" in regards to a new host for his eggs.

This host was Captain Oram. Mother delivered him to David 8.

You're most welcome Ripleys_Ghost.

Ridley Scott said that David had simply killed Walter and then just swapped clothes and cut his hand off...

The Mind Transfer would be hard to explain, as to how this would happen... i do think however the next movie would have David Rebuild a Walter from Parts on the Covenant and maybe then Transfer his Mind to it.

@Ingeniero

I dont think we can consider the book as Canon 100% because it offers a lot of things we dont see in the movie... but the Novel Certainly is interesting.

But i think a few things in the Novel will not apply to the Movie and how we are meant to interpret it.. still interesting though.

As this Scene would seem to imply that David transferred to Walter at a prior scene, unless the Fight Scene is placed at a different time-frame.  

Unless my memory of the movie fails me.. lol i have only seen it Twice So Far, the Person i was going to see it with a 3rd time decided to not bother...

I may go and see it again on my OWN.. Next Wednesday or Monday as i can get my Local Cinema for £4.50 a Ticket

"You're most welcome Ripleys_Ghost."

Sorry that I didn't express my thanks for the research that you did and the effort that you put in explaining it, Ingeniero.   I didn't mean to be rude.  I was trying to get my head around the fact that the movie and book seem to come from different universes, and it's hard to connect the threads in the book to the strands of the film.

"Ridley Scott said that David had simply killed Walter and then just swapped clothes and cut his hand off..."

Thanks a lot for the info, BigDave.  However, the android aboard the ship doesn't even look like David.  Walter's hair is darker; he has more lines on his face (he looks like a more realistic "human"), and again he's missing an injury to his face that David suffered.  Would David really have time to fix his voice box and dye his hair?

It's very, very difficult to argue a reference made by Sir Ridley himself.  However, he sometimes contradicts himself and reinterprets what happened in the film.  I sometimes wonder if he's a bit too stuck on in "retcon" mode.  In practical terms, the fans would be better served by an explanation of what they saw in the film, rather than his personal interpretation of it which is just his opinion.  But, again, it's hard to argue with Ridley's opinion... but, how do you get past what you actually saw, and what Ridley says that you saw?

We have four different continuities:

- The book
- The screenplay
- The movie
- Ridley's interpretations

 
"The Mind Transfer would be hard to explain, as to how this would happen... i do think however the next movie would have David Rebuild a Walter from Parts on the Covenant and maybe then Transfer his Mind to it."

Well, it's not a "mind" residing in the heads of those androids.  It's a compputer program.  It may have been no less hard than you or I moving a computer application onto a dongle; the androids aren't human, after all.

I believe the point of the hair was that davids initial plan was to take walters place but knowing he may fail with plan A, appealing to walter to join the dark side and download david would be his fall back plan. either way david has won. regardless of body, david has left the planet and will continue his experiments

The story is now so bended and forced, that i would not be surprised if RS says that David actually created the Engineers via time travel and eradicated the dinosaurs.

I didn't see a chin scar, but that wouldn't be the first oversight/plot hole in this film.  And his face, once on board was not healing in the same fashion as Walter's neck wounds did.  So I think that points to David being on board at the end.  How did Walter lose?  Did he choose to?  No, because he cared for Daniels and would know her fate.  One would think protocol would be for muther to report any non-crew on board, which would have picked up David and the xeno.  It's just a cluster-f of writing/editing.

In addition, there is a conflict in the portrayal of muthers intelligence.  Daniels is instructing muther to close certain doors to force it's path, and muther knew where it was at all times......so why not just tell muther to trap the damn thing in a corridor? 

Gralen and Spearfish; thanks for your thoughts, and for pointing out that there are plotholes big enough to fly the Nostromo and it's attached refinery through.  It's unfortunate that the mystery of the David/Walter swap is created by the plot holes, and not through clever writing.

"Sorry that I didn't express my thanks for the research that you did and the effort that you put in explaining it, Ingeniero.   I didn't mean to be rude."

I didn't take that as rude Ripleys_Ghost. I was sincere...We all are trying to tease out details from what "canon" content we have been given. Carry on with the good analysis.

BigDave, I can't argue too much about what is canon because the concept has been fluid mostly based on Ridley Scott quotes (beast, no beast "it's cooked"). I've got a theater near me too that I'll go alone to for $4.50 for my third watch this next week.

Pretty funny below Gralen.

"The story is now so bended and forced, that i would not be surprised if RS says that David actually created the Engineers via time travel and eradicated the dinosaurs."

Nice to see you back ali81.