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Remnants of Elizabeth Shaw …

Screengrabs of what's left of Shaw + David's sketches Daniel's looked through when in his lab …

 

    

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Tonehound
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True that, but I think Shaw has (cough) hatched her last egg ;)

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Tiwaz
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That was a dark one, Tonehound. XD

Looking at the pics; chest open, lungs, heart, gall bladder, liver, pancreas and stomach, all missing. Did she get chest busted? Just thinking...

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Interesting picture, the decision to use that picture of Shaw on David's desk is a metaphor that calls the eternal dualism between Eros and Thanatos, love and death, causing, in this sense, a subliminal message to the observer.

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Tiwaz

Initially I thought David removed all her organs except reproductive so he could pour the pathogen in her and grow the eggs. Then I read some theories and started to consider that he has impregnated her with a queen and she had a hard core chest bust.

These days I'm thinking Ridley left this ambiguous so that he he could gauge reactions and determine where he's want to take her fate. He doesn't seem to mind deviations between the film and book which tells me if the franchise continues, Ridley might assign her a completely different fate than what ADF includes in the prequel....or he may have left it open ended to allow ADF to make the call. He probably sent a few series of storyboards to ADF outlining the options he wanted to see the explanation limited to.

...or I could be completely wrong on all counts and merely talking out of my ass.

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David also said it all started with the fly that infected everything, but was that from the bombing?

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I was going to say that keeping Shaw's fate horrible-but-vague is probably Ridley and co's intention, but some folks above beat me to it. ;-)


I will note this--Shaw's fate, in retrospect, is actually quite similar to Lambert's. It is horrible, but vague. We see her dissected, plastinated body on the table, and see a few of David's sketches, but we can nod in agreement with Daniels when she asks David, "What did you do to her?"

Similarly, we can only wonder the same of Lambert; "What did the alien do to her?" We hear Lambert's screams and the weird panting sounds over the intercom as Ripley is running to her and Parker's aid, but we don't KNOW what happened to Lambert. We are given clues--the sounds Ripley (and by extension, the audience) overhears, as well as the shot of Lambert's naked legs bleeding suggestively--but no definitive answer. Do we WANT to know what happened? I can think of two possibilities right off the bat, both are terrible, but one is atrocious (and more likely, in my opinion, as I have seen Giger's concept sketch for Lambert's fate).

Foster, for his part, writes in his ALIEN novelization that Parker "went a little crazy when he saw what the alien was doing" to Lambert. In an attempt to save her, Parker futilely attacks the alien, who drops Lambert, kills Parker, and returns its attention to the motionless woman. At this point Ripley overhears Lambert's dying shrieks and realizes she's alone. Again, we don't KNOW what happened to Lambert. Foster's written description gives us some details to chew over (what was the alien doing to Lambert to make Parker go "a little crazy?"), but not enough to give us the full picture. By giving us some extended dialogue from David in his COVENANT novelization, Foster again gives us details to think about, but no definitive descriptions. Very clever, if you ask me.

Personally, I think by keeping Shaw's fate undefined, it makes her demise all the more horrifying and effective. It's an extremely disturbing sequence of COVENANT, which adds to the film's overall melancholy and disquieting tone.

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Does anybody can ask Ridley Scott why he for God's sake killed Elizabeth Shaw? Whether he plans to use her figures in the next films? Maybe as a prequel to Alien Covenant?

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At this point it's safe to say that we can rehash any actor from either Prometheus or Alien: Covenant to provide continuity for the next Alien movie.  Rapace looks great!

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They should have shown more of her. It was hard to understand what I was looking at behind her head

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I don't think she was cloned or mutated or any wild stuff. She probably became really disturbed by what David was initially carrying out in secret and he incapacitated/killed her, preserved the body, and conducted experiments on the only piece of human physiology he had. The drawings were more like conceptual dry runs, stuff that he could have done but chose not to when it came down to the actual work. Needless to say, it was a very tragic outcome for her. I don't think she ever trusted him, but she needed him to get her there, and that was ultimately her undoing.

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What I really dont get... One of the pictures Shaw's face, jaw is breaked (neomorph birth? or what is that?). But in the film and in the other pictures is intact... Why? :S I'm a bit confused. The answers: 1. The film makers didnt care of the drawings at all, they look so good, so "who cares". 2. There is a special meaning, that I don't get. Can anyone explain it to me? I know, the drawings came out, we can see them in better quality, but i still have this question... :/ 

The poster is nice :) 

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What if Shaw actually agreed to allow David to use her body to make the eggs, out of love?

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I still don't understand how David created the large eggs. I was sure after seeing the trailers that David would manage to (via experimentation) create a variant to the black goo and it's effects, and somehow manage to create a Xeno using Shaw as a host. This initial Xeno (in my mind) became a Queen or at least another egg laying variant which had yet to witness. This creature would lay the eggs and create if not deliberately on David's part then accidentally swarm and destroy Paradise. I'm left still wondering how the large eggs were created. I'm guessing the eggs David coughs up at the end are infected Human eggs via Shaw, grown and fostered by David, meaning that Shaw is indeed the Xeno Queen Mother.

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@Brego

That's a good question. Depends on wich concept the eggs (Ovomorph) are based on, at least in A:C. As far as I'm aware there are two possibilities:

- Eggmorphing (Original concept for Ailen)

- Eggs are laid by a "queen"

Ovomorphs (first stage in the Alien-Life-circle) are described as organism rather than being a "simple" egg. A possibility could be they start small and grow when nutrients/bio-matter are present either by a victim provided for morphing or inside the queen before being "laid"/born. Some speculate that the black accelerant is part of the morphing by breaking down biomatter to produce the facehugger/growing the egg.

This is of course speculation based on what i "know" and could be wrong.

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