Alien: Earth and Alien: Romulus sequel news

There is no way David could escape from Walter

https://alien-covenant.com/forum/
Forum Topic
27531 Views57 Replies

Walter

MemberOvomorphJuly 20, 2017

Walter is new and much more advanced than David.He even beats him in the fight but they dont show what happens.

In this gif we see David Tries to get a knife but just then Walter seems to get angry and hits.

David still isnt holding the knife properly.

User Avatar
ali81
Group: Member
Rank: Neomorph
View Profile

his point is as valid as anyone elses about the timeline when david is meant to switch with walter. the ship isn't that far from the survivors, at most about 10 minutes away when they start running, while they r running, david and walter r still fighting so they have a head start. so david has to stab walter, change his clothes which isn't easy as walter will weight more than a human and be a dead weight and that includes dressing walter in case he is discovered, chop his arm off, obtain the relevant codes from walter required to access the various areas of the ship and no doubt access the computer/ MUTHUR AND repair his voice? AND catch up with the survivors before they get to the ship. and u don't see a hole in this? Ridley has stated david takes walters place which is fine but there is a serious over sight in authenticity here. its not much to ask for some believability after all its the paying public who pay their wages at the end of the day.

User Avatar
ali81
Group: Member
Rank: Neomorph
View Profile

challenging is one thing, its part of what makes the site great. everyone giving their opinions and debating different ideas. but ur challenging in a different manner in ur response to his opinion. by all means u may disagree and have the right to voice that, hell we cant all agree on everything. but at least challenge in a respectful way and give everyone the respect ud like to be shown urself. im not looking for an argument, iv just seen several, and it is only a very very small minority, people being condescending in their tone and get quite personal in their replies towards others views and opinions and that's not what this site is for imo.

User Avatar
Dr. Curt Connors
Group: Member
Rank: Chestburster
View Profile

@ali81  Thanks   @hox   I thought the hahahaha's would've made it known that I was making a joke and yes I am serious about my dislike for this movie but I also like to joke around. Some people take things way too seriously on here, if you like the movie great the thing is everybody doesn't and I am one of those who doesn't. I have taken my dislike and turned it into humor which was not the case when I initially saw Covenant I was furious but I got over it pretty fast and turned anger into laughter. In my opinion this "work is dumb and stupid", it's an opinion.

User Avatar
Kethol
Group: Member
Rank: Chestburster
View Profile

@Seph7 "despite the fact that RS himself has stated that it is David on the Covenant, and the time lapse between the fighting androids, and David running after Lope and Daniels is about 15-20 mins. "

The cuts between the David/Walter fight and Lope and Daniels running from the inside the temple to the outside plaza takes them about 3 minutes on screen - and all that appears to be shown in real time, as opposed to elapsed time.

The time from the last shot of the David/Walter fight to seeing David in Walter's clothes on the plaza, looking at Lope and Daniels, is just under 30 seconds in the movie, not 15-20 minutes. It's an impossibility in real time, but Ridley has admitted he cheated and made something that should have taken 20 minutes take no time at all on screen.

"...I am a very logical person. So I'm thinking, wait a minute, you mean he cut his hand off, changed his clothes, cut his face open before going out there? So I was thinking, if I just do it, it'll fly by...so it's about 20 minutes that I cheated with…" - Ridley Scott.

 

 

 

 

User Avatar
ali81
Group: Member
Rank: Neomorph
View Profile

kethol. I can accept that if Ridley says he cheated then im absolutely fine with it. I just feel at times that the fans are taken for granted a bit. this sequence was always going to be debated for the very reasons I and others have pointed out for me, I can accept it is david at the end and he did all those things but in my mind, its just hard to fully believe but that's the beauty of sci fi. I think the neomorph scene then the neomorph/ protomorph scene would have been a good 'they got delayed getting back to the ship' fill in which would have easily explained how david was able to accomplish this feat but its not there so it makes it harder for people thinking logically to believe

User Avatar
peterweyland
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

I think one thing that is not being taken into account is the fact that David could have stored a copy of himself into Walter immediately after he disabled him with the flute. We don't know how much time took place between that scene and David attacking Daniels. I firmly believe it is David in Walter's body via transfer of some sort while Walter was disabled. Making a copy of himself planted in Walter is brilliant just in case his plan failed. Honestly, Walter f****d him up and I doubt he got taken out by the knife David was reaching for.

User Avatar
Kethol
Group: Member
Rank: Chestburster
View Profile

@ ali81

I agree. With everything else going on in the movie, I did not notice this problem the first time I saw it, and Ridley expected that which is why he thought the cheat would be OK. It CLEARLY stood out the second time though, and will every time I see it now.

Regardless of what Ridley said, it is impossible for it to be David in David's body based on what was shown in the movie. All the evidence (no chin scar, clothing, face scar) point to this being Walter's body with David's mind, so if or until something in a future movie contradicts it, that's what I am going with.

User Avatar
Walter
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

Can you guys give link to this interview?

User Avatar
Kethol
Group: Member
Rank: Chestburster
View Profile

I believe that quote was from the Empire Online podcast with Ridley Scott back in May. You can google it.

User Avatar
Seph7
Group: Member
Rank: Facehugger
View Profile

Answer this question then, if you intend to disregard what RS said about David being David: How did he get the embryos into Walter's body?

User Avatar
Kethol
Group: Member
Rank: Chestburster
View Profile

@Seph7 - He swallowed them, obviously.

User Avatar
Seph7
Group: Member
Rank: Facehugger
View Profile

How? Where would he have gotten them from, considering you're disregarding the 15-20 minute gap that RS said existed. According to your logic, it was only 30 seconds.

User Avatar
Roo
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

David stabbed Walter in the neck and we see something sinking into it, left to assume that he is just healing. Fancy that. Could that have been the embryos? 

But it is hard to conceive that David would be in Walter's body. The reason being is the scratches on the face that Daniels helps him repair. Think about it... If Walter can heal from a stab wound to the neck, why wouldn't he be able to heal some more superficial wounds on his face? The answer is because it isn't Walter... Also, this should have tipped off the whole damn crew that it wasn't Walter who boarded the ship. Instead, they just believe what their eyes see (a missing hand) and because human beings have emotions, which they tend to let guide them, they readily dismiss what should be apparent. 

User Avatar
dk
Group: Member
Rank: Trilobite
View Profile

I thought that Walter's neck healed from the stab wound before our eyes. Walter was more advanced but was KO'd long enough for David to assume Walter's identity.

My take was that David decapitated his own limb to mimic Walter. What was strange was that he was sewing up a wound that should have self healed- and Daniels didn't notice that detail. 

User Avatar
Kongzilla
Group: Member
Rank: Chestburster
View Profile

If it's David - why he have same scars on face what get Walter? Absolutely same! Nobody from Covenant didn't see Walter's scars! David is no need to make scars for himself specially. In order to make the team trust him? Maybe. BUT - scars absolutely same! They can be horizontal or on the other cheek. But not - scars same what have Walter!

 

It does not make sense, unless it's Walter!

User Avatar
ignorantGuy
Group: Member
Rank: Chestburster
View Profile

Leto - I am very sure that David uploaded himself into Walter, who has genetic imprint (see Meet Walter) and the end game is (or was during the making of AC) David being the Space Jockey and face-hugged generating the final Xeno-morph look.

User Avatar
Kongzilla
Group: Member
Rank: Chestburster
View Profile

@ignorantGuy

"I am very sure that David uploaded himself into Walter,"

 

I think about the same too.

 

 

User Avatar
BigDave
Group: Member
Rank: Deacon
View Profile

I am not sure that has happened, i guess it cant be ruled out.

But i do think at some-point David will UPLOAD himself to a Walter Model.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

User Avatar
MonsterZero
Group: Member
Rank: Xenomorph
View Profile

If you allow UPLOADING of one synth to another...it opens a can of worms!

Did David upload into ash? Ash is a inferior model and David has to play nice....Humans can kill him.

David is also a virus inside MUTHUR.

What about Bishop? Is David inside him/it?... did David/Bishop bring the Eggs back to the Sulaco.....Set fire to the vessel....Then Uploaded itself to the Sulaco mainframe ?

Maybe David is still aboard the Sulaco...waiting for a synth to show up.

User Avatar
Alex86730
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

I don't have a strong opinion either way but I really enjoyed this movie so I feel like sharing some thoughts. Most signs seem to point to it being David at the end, as intended, but I think it's fun to think about the possibility it really was Walter.

After the Walter-David fight there would be no reason for David to scar his face to match Walter because that injury occurred a split second before the final scene of the fight where you see David reaching for the knife. The last time Daniels or anyone else saw Walter his face was scar-free so why would David need to copy an injury nobody else even knew about?

If it really was Walter why didn't his face heal? Maybe he only heals 'life-threatening' injuries or injuries that severely compromise his ability to function. This would explain why when Daniels helped fix his face at the end she did not find it suspicious that it wasn't healing on its own.

Join the discussion!



Recently Active Forums
Alien: Earth Series
Alien: Earth SeriesDiscuss the Alien FX TV series here!
Alien: Covenant
Alien: CovenantDiscuss the Prometheus Sequel, Alien: Covenant
Prometheus Fan Art
Prometheus Fan ArtArtwork & Fiction From the Fans
Alien
AlienDiscuss all things Alien here
New Forum Topics
Hot Forum Topics
Highest Forum Ranks Unlocked
Svanya
Svanya » Praetorian
89% To Next Rank
ninXeno426
ninXeno426 » Praetorian
62% To Next Rank
Thoughts_Dreams
Thoughts_Dreams » Neomorph
88% To Next Rank
Neomorph
Neomorph » Chestburster
94% To Next Rank
cuponator3000
cuponator3000 » Chestburster
84% To Next Rank
Latest Media
Community Stats
This Alien Movie Universe community is part of the Scified network. Scified hosts a network of online fan-site communities containing 406,482 posts by 48,459 members (13 are online now). The Alien: Earth Series Forum is the most recently active forum. The latest Forum topic added was: Alien Earth parallels
VIPWhat are VIP?AdminModeratorSpecial TitleMember
Join the discussion!
Please sign in to access your profile features!
(Signing in also removes ads!)



Forgot Password?
Scified Website LogoYour sci-fi community, old-school & modern
Hosted Fansites
AlienFansite
GodzillaFansite
PredatorFansite
Main Menu
Community
Sci-Fi Movies
Help & Info
+

Sign In to contribute!