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Fox Is Not Reassessing Ridley Scott’s Planned Alien Movies

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MemberPraetorianJuly 23, 20177434 Views34 Replies

Let’s try to find the balance!

Since Daszkowski hasn't changed the title of his topic (http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/45966), I’ve decided to inform our readers about the facts.

Without knowing the Japanese numbers and the relevant blu-ray income, the Fox decision in question seems to be an utter nonsense.

The comments are taken from the topic mentioned:

By Kethol:

’I just read that article. It says "sources say Fox will have to reassess two intended sequels".So Fox has said nothing of the sort. THR did.’

’It does not say Fox "is reassessing". Two of the articles just reference THR. THR just says "Fox will have to reassess", but there has been no statement from Fox about anything. It just sounds like typical unsourced Hollywood media opinion to me.’

By Membrane:

’Correct. There have been no official statements from Fox Studios at this time regarding a "reassessment" of the 'Alien' franchise.’

By me:

Kethol, I'm with you, the line

"sources say Fox will have to reassess two intended sequels"

equals to

’my friends say Fox should reassess two planned movies'...

Plus, why would they say something similar before the Japanese opening and the blu-ray release? I'm sure they will announce something official about the future movies after this September.’

By Kethol:

’All the aggregate movie scoring websites show the majority of audience and reviewers liked Covenant.

IMDB = 6.7 out of 10

Tomatometer - 71% score

Metascore = 65 score

Fandango = 4.5 out of 5’

By Ingeniero:

’I agreed with the analysis Ati.

In addition to the Alien: Covenant Blue-ray, the release of the VR experience is coming soon. I love to theorize...so I say putting the Occulus on sale for 60 days might have something to do with the release of Alien: Covenant VR.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/10/oculus-rift-and-touch-controllers-on-sale-for-399-through-summer/

Alien: Covenant was on time, in budget, and profitable and the Blue-ray is coming out roughly 100 days after the movie's release in May 2017. The virtual reality experience is most likely going to be mind-blowing...so a great lasting commercial for Blue-ray sales of Alien: Covenant.

http://www.gamesradar.com/alien-covenant-is-getting-a-vr-experience-to-guarantee-youll-never-sleep-again/

Nothing is dead except Carter Burke. The Alien: Covenant sequel novel comes out the following month in September 2017. I still say that Ridley Scott filmed more than he's telling in 2016 and we could get another prequel film (Alien: Awakening) more quickly than the critics forecast.’

By Lawrence of Arabia:

'Fox hasn't made an official statement and Covenant did relatively well all things considered. I want to see Awakening and whatever Ridley has planned. David is a fantastic antagonist and I'm not getting the hate for this film. Every film thus far has had fallible characters make unlucky decisions, that's just humanity and part of what makes the film great. If the humans were smart they wouldn't be killed by Xenos. The Xenomorphs prey on our weaknesses and it's cool to watch them tear people to shreds. I digress, Rebooting or retconing Scott's films at this point is unwise and rude, the man created this franchise. Yes, Dan O' Bannon and Ron Shussett wrote the original screenplay but if they did things their way we would have a B-Movie by the name of StarBeast with a totally different monster. Scott got Fox to raise the budget, he got Giger on board, he dealt with the companies hounding, built the sets, and still pulled off a classic. Some are right, Alien isn't Blade Runner but to say the AIs don't play in integral role in the franchise is wrong. Scotts just looking for something fresh for the franchise and the route he's chosen is an interesting one. Most I know are disappointed with the lack of answers or Engineers from Prometheus which Scott said will play a vital role in the next film. Let's wait and see and enjoy the ride.'

 

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Thoroughly Derelict
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Incredibly refreshing to see this kind of thing OP, and a shout out to the quote from @Lawrence of Arabia - my thoughts exactly and I couldn't have put them better myself.

It's easy for the rumor mill to run rampant and sweep up people's perspectives along the way.

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Ati
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Thoroughly Derelict - Thank you for your kind words. Revisiting this thread it is easy to see how dangerous the dark force users are... :/

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Starlogger Interesting to see this thread again and how a personal view can evolve over time since AC grew on me. Tastes and opinions can change it seems.

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Well i missed this Topic... so its nice for the Bump..

It appears FOX and RS had discussed near Back-to-Back Sequels, the draft was almost done if not just needing some final tinkering and putting to a Shooting Script,  Ridley Scott had announced plans to shoot the Movie about July 2018, with a release in about April 2019.

Then we had the Box Office Results and Criticism and surely FOX would want to take a Time-Out and Reflect on what happened with the Box Office and look at the  Criticism , because FOX simply at this point (July 2017) would not be willing to Bank-Roll Blindly a Sequel and ignore the Criticism and Box Office Numbers, because they would not want to end up with another Box Office Flop so to speak, which would leave them Dead in the Water, because Logically any sequel would Set-up the FINAL movie that connects to ALIEN which would leave them the Choice to abandon Ship, leaving those Answers to Alien a Mystery of sorts, and leaving us on a bit of a Unanswered Cliff Hanger setting up a 3rd Alien Prequel that would never happen...   Or do they Proceed with the 3rd Movie at the risk of it also not being a Success.

So FOX was put in a difficult situation..

I think this Topic is Irrelevant as of now with the Disney Take Over...  I think Disney would be in NO RUSH to make a ALIEN movie,  i think also the Actions of Blomkamp by releasing more Concepts for his Alien 3 Re-boot and then saying he is abandoning the Project are simply a clever piece of Marketing by him to engage Fanboys to make Videos and Topics on Social Media wishing that Blomkamps Project can get the go ahead.

If Disney see on Social Media etc that Blomkamps ideas are gaining a lot of steam as far as Fans disappointed that the Project may never happen, Disney could see the potential to make a Blomkamp style Alien Movie.

Ridley Scott's chances of doing his Project are diminished but it may not be too late, while Blomkamps seemingly Dead in the Water Project could have a slight chance of Resurrection, Ridley Scott's Prequels are by no means Abandoned, he has stated that with the ground work/set up down for a sequel to AC and then another to bridge the gap to Alien it would be Crazy to abandon this now.  I think RS best chance of getting his Project Green Lit by Disney could be to work on a few Disney Projects and let Disney see first hands what RS as a Director has to offer, then this could get RS very much in Disney's Good Books  which could allow RS to Plug his Alien Prequels.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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dk - That's a natural thing, I think.

BigDave - We shouldn't forget that Scott gave us the brilliant dark fantasy Legend (1985).

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Bigdave as long as he lives long enough...

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Ati

And what qualifies as light fantasy as opposed to dark fantasy?

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Political correctness ;) 

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red0guy

That is the dark fantasy when you turn off the lights...

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Legend is LEGEND imo. I think the difference between light and dark fantasy is that dark fantasy has a character or situation where something can be lost on a heavy level like a soul, life or the world. Light fantasy is that crap where someone might lose a girl friend and think it is the end of the world. 

There- have fun with those standards!

UPDATE-

The origional Star Wars was light fantasy. There was a clear cut good guy/bad guy. 

Dark fantasy has more ambiguity like Legend. There is good and evil but evil is given a voice to state its case and is not completely unreasonable.

Satan from the South Park Movie rightfully stated- "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes".

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Legend what a movie that was...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Oh what the hell, since this thread got dug up I will join the discussion.

First I will update the scores for AC in the sources shown above.

IMDB 6,5/10 (2018-01-09)
Tomatometer 56/100 (2018-01-09)
Metascore 65/100 (2018-01-09)
Fandango 3,5/5 (2018-01-09)

As you can see a lot of the scores have lowered for the movie which I think is a good thing since I did not like it that much. I do not consider myself a hater I am simply thinking about the movie, what I liked and did not like and no it does not get higher than a 2 out of 5 because there were too many disappointments in it. People are allowed to have their opinions but the movie has too high ratings.  To me it is not even near that level.

The blu-ray was mentioned, I have not bothered to buy it. It is not even worth to buy, that is how it is to me since I can only speak for myself and how I see it.

I am getting tired of David, give me better human characters and less robots. Humans can be smart and still get killed. There are ideas that I have and that I think are better than the movie is and also other fan ideas that are a lot better.

"Members on the forum have better ideas imo." DK

I agree, the way that Scott wants to take it is mildly speaking not too good.

Ati: What kind of dark forces are you talking about?

To me currently the dark forces are Scott and Fox that are effing up the franchise with their crappy David  things.

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if David was a character introduced in BR2049 then fine. that's what the BR movies are about, AI. alien is not regardless of whether these are prequels or not. RS gave us the engineers and the black goo so make it about them, not some delusional synthetic with daddy issues

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"RS gave us the engineers and the black goo so make it about them, not some delusional synthetic with daddy issues"

Exactly this, hell they even remind us of the SJ in how they look so there is probably some connection there. The black goo is interesting so they can expand more on that. I am not sure if we can trust David on it since he is a crazy robot (unreliable narrator I think is the term Michelle J used). Move on from the David story, make it more about the Engineers and their connection to the SJ.

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