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Soy Meat- You can only choose one synthetic for your crew. Who do you pick and why?

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I would probably not choose Call nor any other Auton because I think they would be too likely to have their own self-righteous agenda and deviate from the mission.

It's a tough call between Walter and Bishop. They're both pretty self-sacrificing - Walter let his arm get bitten off to save Daniels and Bishop saved Newt from getting sucked into space even after he was torn in half.

I guess Walter did let his identity get stolen and the entire ship commandeered by a psychopath. ...Still, Bishop failed to detect that the Xeno queen had come on board and laid eggs. 

Nevertheless, Walter's a little stodgy and stoic and at least Bishop shows some emotional reactions to things, and knows cool party tricks like the thing-with-the knife. I'm gonna have to go with Bishop.

Would anyone choose David or Ash???

(Also, I started writing this two days ago, when the "Off Meat" and "Red Meat" threads were posted, but my lap-top suddenly and permanently died in the middle of my comment. I know two days is like a decade in internet time but I finish what I start, gosh dammit! Also, I'm glad to be back from internet-less oblivion. :P )

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Good point BigDave. ...But, when you think about it, in this scenario, we'd all be employed by the company and any of us could have secret orders.

 

You can't really trust Weyland-Yutani human employees either -they're a mixed bag, just like synths. You could wind up with a Ripley or you could wind up with a Burke.

Also, BigDave, where do you stand on non-Weyland-Yutani owned Autons? Would you want Call on your team, then?

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BigDave Nice eye! Yes, with company synthetics you may never truly know. Look at Ash!  Maybe Bishop did bring the ovomorph on the Sulaco (I don't think so lol)! Even though Call can be a bit of a renegade at least her 'heart' is in the right place :D

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

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BigDave It should be remembered that a synth is a requirement for a WY mission. Ya gotta choose!

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Yes! Good point dk !

Just like on the "Red Meat" thread you had to chose between Prometheus and Covenant, and on the "Off Meat" thread you had to choose between 3 and Resurrection,

here on the "Soy Meat" thread you have to pick an artificial person.

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VivisectedEngineer Those Twilight Zone shows are stocked to the brim with the creepy!

To reiterate, I choose Walter- the cook, the intellect, the friend, and the master of hydroponics/botany.

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@Lawrence of Arabia

I feel confident that Bishop definitely did not bring the eggs on board the Sulaco. -_-; ...Where would he even hide them? It's not like they were easily concealed like the embryos David played his creepy mamma bird trick with.

Anyhow, would the sort of artificial person who would do that volunteer to crawl through that scary pipe? And refuse to carry a gun?

I mean...sure, he did risk stabbing Hudson through the hand...but who wouldn't?

I do see how Call could be a safe bet though, depending on the mission. Like, if it's a humanitarian mission of some sort, she'd be ideal.

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Lol, yes I know!

One of my favorite childhood memories is binge-watching Twighlight Zone marathons with my sister until we were both so scared out of our minds that neither of us could sleep.

We'd start laughing our heads off, making fun of all the scariest parts to try to make them seem less scary.

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I thought it was established that Bishop could not have brought an egg on board and that the egg was solely a plot device/excuse to make A3. Watch Aliens again. Bishop was at a remote site away from the hive getting a ship ready. That said, Bishop was good people!

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Good point as far as indeed Humans could also be part of a Hidden and Malicious company Agenda.

A Robot would be more trustworthy depending on the Programing, if their Priority Programing has sinister intentions then their is no Bargaining with them.

They neither can be Evil/Good only do what their Programing does, and so its the Programmers who impact what Evil/Good these Androids have.

Unless they have signs of being Sentient and Rebellious which indeed we see we David and Call and so in this case i guess its a case of treating them with the same way you would a Human.

As maybe how they are influenced could change their Demeanour   towards you.  And so you could maybe try and play on any potential Moral Compass.

The same could be said when dealing with Humans with a Hidden Agenda, as some will only put their own needs and Agenda first...

The Interesting thing with Synthetics who have some kind of Sentient Personality, is not only the Moral Compass but then the Arrogance, Pride or even straight up knowledge that they are the more Superior Being.

And then its if they look onto us as just what Apes, Guinea Pigs or Ants.   And so i think the whole Theme and Questions about AI is quite large... and no wonder its something RS seems keen to explore.

So i guess the Answer is to always be cautious of a Synthetic, always be on your toes... But this will be hard when you are talking about a Superior Beings who do not need to sleep.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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And your choice is......................?

Oh- you can also always trust a Working Joe!

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Yes, dk , Bishop was definitely good people.

Also, Alien 3 was actually just a nightmare with a really good plot (who doesn't love to have one of those, once in a while?).

Actually, Bishop is fine, he got repaired and he's top of the line again. No one can tell me differently.

*covers ears* LA LA LA! BISHOP IS JUST FINE! LA LA LA!

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Indeed that was a Plot Device as a way they could bring in the Xenomorph back for a 3rd movie, after they must have assumed that LV-426 as far as Hadleys Hope and the Derelict are No More..

I think its something that could have been thought out more, but hey we get this a lot with the Franchise.  And the Good thing with Potential Plot Holes is the debates they can lead us to..

The whole Bishop being undercover, and what if their was a second secret Synthetic and Mission on the Sulaco etc are some of the interesting debates had here over the years.

Alien Covenant however has maybe given some clues to explain this, if we now Assume Eggs can Start as Small and then will Grow until they reach a right size.  So the reasons for why David has those Tiny Face Huggers, could also be used to suggest the Queen could still have a few New/Fresh Small Eggs that the  Queen Planted on the Sulaco, that simply Grew.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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OK- BigDave strikes me as a Walter kind of guy.

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VivisectedEngineer & dk

I kid lol I'm just messing around cuz it is a theory floating out there :P I assumed it was the Queen anyway as a final precaution. Or maybe Bishop made you think he was preparing a ship! WOOOOOOOOOO!

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I was actually quite sad for Bishop more than I was for Newts and even less so for Hicks. Bishop was my favorite character in Aliens, he was just a great guy. Like Walter :) Whenever I see people upset about their fates I see stuff like "My Newt and Hicks!1!1" and I'm over here "What about Bishop?!?!?" lol

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

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@Lawrence of Arabia

Agreed! I do want Newt to be ok, though. If only because Bishop went to all that trouble of saving her despite clearly being in so much pain.

I would really hate for his efforts to be wasted. I feel like his sense of guilt and uselessness over his failure may have contributed to his feelings of resignation to non-existence.

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That's what I like about the Alien universe though, it's so nihilistic, everything is meaningless in the black void of space. I did love Bishop :(

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

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OK BigDave. You have spent 15 years training for a WY mission and the final task is to choose a synth to accompany you on the mission per WY Regulations. You have read the resumes and are at the 30 second window from departure. Failure to choose disqualifies you from the mission. Which android will you choose? tic toc tic toc lol! 

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If BigDave doesn't choose, he's stuck with Ash!

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

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As we await the decision, Walter and I are off to discuss Nietzsche's Overman while I learn the finer points of making an omelette vs scrambled eggs. Tah tah! 

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