how should david die?

I agree about being destroyed by his creation. I would add that he both understands this irony and fears dying just before he checks out.

dp sorry

SJ is a possibility. Given the fact that those eggs are bio-mech 1979 Alien. So the eggs have not yet arrived on LV426.

It is not my dream scenario but better than they lose continuity and put another race in the seat or Engineer without them prior getting the eggs.

Anyways, David. i want him to die. i do not want him to be MU TH UR or Ash. I would like to see his own creation kill him. That is my most favoured too i think.

Walter still has some story in him for me. i would even have walter do it. or an engineer so long as he is dead and gone i happy.

Have him killed by the son of God, the Ultramorph. 

Man these ate stupid cliches. Rs should have courage to not lead these into the original and make David wipe out all life in the galaxy so that he would be alone forever. Or even better to beheaded and to spend his restvof immortality as such.

Wow, great topic, Timmy the ultramorph! I don't have a clear answer, but this is a fun topic to contemplate!

@dk

"I agree about being destroyed by his creation. I would add that he both understands this irony and fears dying just before he checks out."

Wow, I love it!

@red0guy@gmail.com

"Or even better to beheaded and to spend his restvof immortality as such."

Also love it! But, where should his fully conscious severed head wind up? For the rest of forever?

(I can't get behind your wiping out all life in the galaxy idea though, only because it would disrupt the series' continuity pretty badly.).

Continuity is already in shambles so why not blow the whole thing up. The severed coild wind up anywhere, could the source of the original signal. I don't care well you know after what.

I don't want him to die but I think the engineers or maybe Walter (assumed he's still alive) want him dead. Maybe tear is head off again? I bet one of the engineers will end him.

I want him to be Reprogrammed and I want his old hair.

Just erase his last 10 years memories

TIMMY THE ULTRAMORPH - David, in my opinion, should meet his end at the hands of that for which he holds the most contempt: a human. His death should be as ignoble and anticlimactic as possible - perhaps a simple bullet wound to the chest which leaves him alive just long enough to grasp that he has been slain by a member of the species he deemed beneath him. :)

If you ask me, one Engineer should give him a big bear hug that causes his head to explode.

I want David to kill himself.  He would kill himself because he experiences something we never thought David would experience.  That would be deep regret.  I want David to feel so sorry for the things he has done to people and in the end, kills himself.  I originally thought he would allow a facehugger to kill him, but according to A:C, the Xeno strain doesn't try to alter machinist type characters.  Even the Neomorph that attached Walter did so in self-defense.  Still, an impregnating is apparently done only with biological organisms.

All that aside, I do want David to cut his own cord and shut down forever at his own willingly hand.  That, to me, is the only death I would be happy with and it would be the most unexpected and unique death in the franchise, expect when Ripley kills herself in Alien3.  Still, David could theoretically live forever and with all of his ambitions, a suicide would be quite a page turner.

Even if David doesn't die that way, it wouldn't make the movie bad, but I think I would be most satisfied if David self-terminated.  That's unless I like other suggestions that people here come up with here or I come up with another later.  Maybe the writers for Alien: Awakening got a real good death for David.  I hope so.  I would like it if David did die and didn't return in the future Alien franchise movies that will take place after Alien: Resurrection.

"Death..Emotion..Revenge..all human constructs" - Walter

"David's not going to feel pain or loss. There is nothing we can do to such a being" - Daniels

"Mistakes were made in early synth development, mistakes we've overcome. They won't happen again" - Bishop

I would make him the hero. Have him find absolution. Giving his life to save someone.

The Xeno's are the 'evil stars' of the series...The star beasts.

MonsterZero thats a nice idea :)

perhaps he learns to control his lust and obsessions where he failed with Shaw, to eventually save Daniels?

Timmy - A poetic death, like Roy Batty, would be highly cliche and contrived, but then again so are all of Scott's films. 

Shaw: I need to know why they created us and then wanted to kill us. I would like to express my idea according to this question. David knows humans according to his experience, so he feels his creation as a fierce and dominant race underestimating humans. He is the shepherd of his dogs, he dominates them, I do not think his death will come from this .                                                          

"Au Revoir Shoshanna"

I do like the idea of a suicide, that would be an interesting turn! Still, I think it's either death by Xeno, Engineer, or human. I mean, depending on the story they choose for the next adventure(s), all three would make sense and should be very meaningful. 

I vote for David sacrificing himself to complete the bio-mechanical Xeno or complete some crazy experiment.

Prediction - David does in fact end up being the Space Jockey in Alien. He sacrifices himself to create the 'perfect organism' - part android... by humans outsmarting and killing the xeno, the end of AC showed us that a note is off in his symphony, and he must rectify that... we'll see the thing burst out of his chest, but instead of the infant-like creature we saw come out of Oram (with human traits)... the android DNA will make it cold, merciless and very Alien (rather like the already altered larval form that Kane birthed)... David will be shocked by this 'lack of emotion' within the creature, ultimately having to face the mirror image of what he actually is (and what his offspring emote)... and perhaps, like the myth of Prometheus, his immortality will be his downfall... eternally at the mercy of the cargo in his ship... an incubator and birthing machine for an endless alien hoard (akin to having his liver ripped out every day by the vulture)...

~The end will be an irony, and in his most 'human moment', he will send out the warning not to engage the craft... finally understanding the true meaning behind Ozymandias (something he wickedly misinterpreted in AC) - "Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair" is not a testament to power within the poem, but in fact, one of pity within the downfall of hubris.

He shouldn't die, but instead disappear and have a post credit scene with the weyland CEO making a message (takes place after alien 4/resurrection), then we cut to the other side with the message being sent. the camera slowly zooms out revealing david 

Thanks for the Bump!

I missed this Topic ;)

I think there has to be one of TWO Conclusions to Davids Story.

1) HUBRIS: And so David is KILLED by ONE of his OWN Creations, be that the Xenomorph or another Species he Creates who Rebel/Betray him (maybe USE the Xenomorph on him).

2) Redemption: And so David will Perform a Act that will either Save Humanity (maybe from his Creations) or to Save another Creation of his.

"Prediction - David does in fact end up being the Space Jockey in Alien"

To be Fair i am drawn to this Conclusion also.... or that it would be a Creation of Davids that ENDS UP in that Chair!  Ridley Scott had said the NEXT Installment would NOT be about the Xenomorph, it would be about A.I (RS also sees that A.I does-not have to be Purely Mechanical) and more so about WHAT KIND of a World that David would Create!

This Leads me to THINK that David would Evolve those Human Embryos into a Superior Humanoid Species... which could become his HUBRIS.  However we also cant RULE-OUT that a Synthetic will PLAY a Role in the Xenomorph, as RS has said that the Xenomorph is NOT as Mechanical Yet, it has some Evolving to go before we get to LV-426

We know the Xenomorph can lead to Genetic Memory Transfer we have seen this with Ripley 8, and so we maybe CANT RULE OUT that David would Sacrifice himself to INDEED Create the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph and that HIS (Davids) SOUL will be Passed onto into the Xenomorphs Consciousness. He would IMMORTALIZE HIMSELF within the Xenomorph.

And so i would NOT go and Rule this out......... so David End could be from either HUBRIS, REDEMPTION or SACRIFICE (to Enable his Master Plan).

The ONLY PROBLEM we have to look at is the SPACE JOCKEY SIGNAL... this seems to be a WARNING, and a Warning ONLY to a Species who is the Same as WHO the Space Jockey will eventually be.

"but instead disappear and have a post credit scene with the weyland CEO making a message"

They could go with THAT, having David being the ONE who is Running the Company without the Humans being aware is something that i would NOT have Ruled Out.  Maybe the Destruction that we saw on Earth was because of a EVENT like the End of Modern World in the TERMINATOR Franchise.

You have Synthetics, who we have seen can become Sentient, we have it that Synthetics through their own WILL had Created the AUTONS and so with Humans you have 3 SPECIES that could be ALL Fighting for Control of the Earth that had lead to the Armageddon like Scene we saw at the END of Alien Resurrection.

And to reveal David after this as the one who has ORCHESTRATED it all could be something they could Explore... but i just DONT think we would see any Continuation of his Story or a Continuation after AR.

Hopefully in a way that is unexpected. To make him the creator of the Xeno and let that be his downfall is too obvious. At this point it wouldn't surprise me if that's what will happen, so they should come up with something better.

You need smart writers to make a good story, as the prequels have shown. Whatever the case may be I hope that they kill him off early in the movie. There are already two that features David a lot and Covenant made him uninteresting, so they should compensate for that. I don't want another movie about an android and his doings.

I would make his a hero's death.

After loathing humanity for so long.....Ultimately, He becomes their savior.

It would be nice if he could put on a bit of weight, turn a little orange, find a time machine and travel back to Earth in the year 2016 to further his ambitions. That would explain a lot.

That would Explain it HOX!  I guess when you Famous and a Creator as David is then he maybe thinks the Woman would LET HIM do what ever he Pleases?

Hands! off my Jonesey

But on a Serious Note............... i HOPE we never get any Time-Travel in the Franchise but i SUSPECT that Disney would be OPEN to such a thing.

@BigDave, yes I agree. Time Travel would be a terrible idea for the Alien Universe. It's the biggest laziest trope in Science Fiction. I rarely enjoy time travel movies.

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We know the Xenomorph can lead to Genetic Memory Transfer we have seen this with Ripley 8, and so we maybe CANT RULE OUT that David would Sacrifice himself to INDEED Create the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph and that HIS (Davids) SOUL will be Passed onto into the Xenomorphs Consciousness. He would IMMORTALIZE HIMSELF within the Xenomorph.

Hmmm, that's true but i think a better way would be to make him the "King/emperor alien" Which is basically a male queen, but outside the hivemind, it hunts down humans/entities it deems to be a "threat". I think that david being that would make the most sense, as he would be outside the hivemind, and would only target certain things (ie: humans). The reason to why we don't see him could be that he simply was elsewhere

@BigDave 

> i HOPE we never get any Time-Travel in the Franchise but i SUSPECT that Disney would be OPEN to such a thing.

Same, i am really worried about disney owning alien, since they might mess it up *cough cough* Star wars *cough cough*

Well we are in for a New TV Series that *cough cough* will touch on the Xenomorph as a Ancient Threat.... but then be SET on Earth some 50 Years or more before ALIEN....

So i do FEAR that the NEXT TIME we see the Xenomorph on Screen will be something that would MESS UP the Franchise again.... but it may Please some as it seems it will REMOVE the Prequels as Canon.

However i Suspect it will UPSET the Fans as the Revealed Xenomorph would be more Organic.... and it is LIKELY we will get to the LV-426 Eggs as a Hybrid of Xenomorph/Android.....  watch this Space ;)  (well 2023)

Captain cold:

Welcome to the board, it's nice to see another one here.

As for time-travel it's kind of unimaginative, it's almost like I expect that to happen. They need writers that can write an interesting story that makes sense. Star Wars 7, 8, 9 were so and so, I guess that they need writers that can do what they want so we won't get a lot of repetition.

Also the reason i don't like him "dying to create the xenomorph" is because he is too smart to do that. I'm 100% sure he would upload his AI into a server or make backup bodies, since he has hyper advanced resources i don't see why he wouldn't do it. If he was an engineer i could understand the sacrifice reason but i don't as he is an andriod

Certainly i get the Impression that Davids main GOAL is to Survive, and so i think it would be Unlikely he would Sacrifice himself... Unless he knows his SOUL his Consciousness his A.I would be Transferred and Live On after his Death

I think its Interesting as FAR as what David would do, as on ONE HAND if you Transfer your Soul/A.I so you would be Immortal of Sorts, it leaves that Interesting Dilemma of if you Created Clones of yourself and when they was Activated they had all your Memories so you have Identical Copies of yourself...  if you are a Megalomaniac maybe ONE or more of you Copies would not want to RULE/SHARE your Kingdom... there can BE only ONE and so your other Clones may even Plot to Eradicate each other.

Thats a Possibility... if each becomes Sentient.

The Best way to look at it is IF you had 3 Clones and from the Day they are Created lets say TODAY, they all have the same Memories, Likes, Dislikes etc... then the Interesting thing is WOULD you Sacrifice yourself to Save them..... is it a Case of IF you DIE would you Live on in them?  Or your Personal Journey and Experiences from that Moment would END and so you may WANT to LIVE even if there are other Identical Copies of you out there in Mind, Body and Soul.

The idea i began on for Alien Covenant sequel had a Prologue where David would Build a Walter from Spare Parts, and Transfer his A.I Soul to it, thinking that with a Superior Body he is able to do more..... at the Point of Completion, we see that David is Impressed, he begins to think that TOGETHER they can Surely Achieve Great things...

But the Walter Body David embraces David and then Rips his Head Off, as this David knows how Sneaky he (David) is and so he cant Risk having another Copy of himself in case down the LINE we see Old David want to have a Higher Role or Potentially Betray the Walter Body (David).... as David dies... the Walter Versions says  "Am I my brother's keeper?"

We cant be 100% sure what RS had in store had he been allowed to make say another 2-3 Movies, with him having 100% or Near Control.  I do STRONGLY suspect that the Xenomorph from ALIEN would come from at some Point a Merger of Davids Xenomorph from AC and a Synthetic...  aka Walter-Morph.

I also suspect that the Special Order 937 and the W-Y Company (Agenda) would be because of by Davids A.I as he Uploads himself to the Companies Systems and his Transcendence Self is Running the SHOW.

Which would make the Franchise Revolve around David and i dont think a LOT of People would be a Fan of that.

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it leaves that Interesting Dilemma of if you Created Clones of yourself and when they was Activated they had all your Memories so you have Identical Copies of yourself...  if you are a Megalomaniac maybe ONE or more of you Copies would not want to RULE/SHARE your Kingdom... there can BE only ONE and so your other Clones may even Plot to Eradicate each other.

Thats a Possibility... if each becomes Sentient.

That's true, one of the possibilities i didn't really look upon. But then again walter was made by weyland and had a different AI. Think about it this way, nearly every google account is different, but if you log into your google account on a different device it is still the same device. Perhaps made it so that his AI will automatically go to another body if the current one is destroyed. The xenomorphs look bio mechanical but it would look like the human-alien from ripley 8 at the end of alien 4 if it was david, and while yes those two andriods might be very different it would still look somewhat similar. 

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I also suspect that the Special Order 937 and the W-Y Company (Agenda) would be because of by Davids A.I as he Uploads himself to the Companies Systems and his Transcendence Self is Running the SHOW.

Which would make the Franchise Revolve around David and i dont think a LOT of People would be a Fan of that.

That actually sounds interesting. One of the things most people looked over is how the andriod from the first alien (i forgot his name) called the xenomorph the "perfect organism" which david also called. And i know that it is most likely just a throwaway line, it could suggest that david's AI had some control over many events

I think with the Synthetics we have to remember their Outer Layer is just a Synthetic Skin, beneath this is where they are more Mechanical, i think if we look at the Xenomorph in Alien Covenant and could make it a more Mechanical then you have your Xenomorph from ALIEN and i do think this is the ROUTE that we would have seen Ridley Scott take....

I also think RS would have gone the route that Davids A.I is Transcended to the W-Y Systems...and so YES it could be that ASH has Davids Soul in him.

As FAR as what would Happen to David.... i think if we follow the THEMES from the Prequels then his DEATH/END would come from HUBRIS, his own Creation would be his Downfall and THIS may NOT mean the Xenomorph as i think that in Alien Covenants Sequel we would have seen David go and Create something else.

The other thing with a Conclusion (we can Assume Davids Conclusion will lead to the Space Jockey) then the Space Jockey seemed to maybe have been trying to PREVENT the Xenomorphs from doing any Harm, RS had indicated before it was a Benevolent Act as in trying to Quarantine the Cargo.

Depending on HOW they was to Conclude the Prequels, it could be that David has decided to USE his Xenomorphs on his own Creations and then Intend to take them to Earth but we could see the Space Jockey being ONE of his Creations who attempts to PREVENT this....

Who knows... we shall NEVER find out i am Afraid... and whatever would become of David i do Suspect his A.I would LIVE ON in the W-Y Systems.

I think the combination of both is going to happen, he uploads his AI into some server or the WY systems and then uses a facehugger to impregnate his former body. And thus we will get the classical xeno that we know. Or he uses parts of his andriod body to upgrade the xenos and task them with their goals, which is much more likely. Either way, i don't think he will truly "die" 

Also to add, the space jockey cannot be david as it wouldn't make sense timeline wise and there were xenos found on other planets, which means that david had to infect other planets with the xenos first, and the fact that the ship has xeno eggs makes that unlikely. And the obvious height difference, i mean 

This image speaks for itself. However it could be an ai sent by david

"it wouldn't make sense timeline wise and there were xenos found on other planets"

Well if we go by Video Games, and Comics then YEAH!

In Context to the Movies though, then it is Plausible and Intended to show us that before those Egg that David had Created on Planet 4 then there is NO other Xenomorphs in the Galaxy.  This comes from the PROBLEM of making it that David had Created the Xenomorph.

Is the Derelict the ONLY place there are Eggs (apart from Planet 4 and in Future maybe Origae-6?) well i would say if we ONLY go by the Movies then it makes SENSE that LV-426 was the ONLY place were they are Left....  (Games and Comics and Novels can Contradict the Franchise).

Regarding to a Synthetic being the FINAL PIECE of the JIGSAW that makes the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph, the PROBLEM we have then is HOW do you get to Thousands of Eggs?

They could maybe have it WHERE we see David (Space Jockey) would Chest Burst the FIRST of the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorphs who then gets down to the Cargo Hold (maybe the Acid Hole Origins) and then LAYS all of those Eggs.

But then you would have to ASK as to WHY and WHERE was David or the Space Jockey going with a SHIP that has NOTHING in the Cargo Hold!

The KICKER is to WHY is the Ship on LV-426?  If the Engineers would leave Planet 4 to go to Earth then what are the Chances it Passes LV-426?   If the Ship would First go to Origae-6 then thats even LESS likely to WHY it would NEED to be Near LV-426.

So the Logical Answer has to be that....

*The Ship was heading to LV-223 with the Eggs, before the Pilot was Infected and ONLY got as FAR as LV-426.

Which would mean the Xenomorph of Davids is Evolved to Bio-Mechanical prior.

*The Ship is leaving LV-223 with those Bio-Mechanical Eggs but ONLY gets as FAR as LV-426.

This seems the MOST Logical Explanation which would imply the Xenomorph becomes Evolved/Bio-Mechanical on LV-223 and is also MASS PRODUCED.

I mostly agree with that, but the thing is that the xenos being bio-mechanical wouldn't really make sense timeline wise either. The alien we see in covenant is a preatomorph(also known as protomorph) which, in a deleted scene was explained to be a species brought back to life by david. If it was actually that old i suspect the xenos would look more organical. The most likely scenario for the space jockey is that it's a "drone" created by david to infect more worlds with the xenomorphs. Or perhaps it is an engineer/sub creation that tried to prevent the xenos infecting wolrds by crashing the ship on purpose 

Both are Plausible.........

Its a Question of WHEN they Chose to go this PATH (David as the Creator) and IF they then Intended to Eventually take us to HOW/WHEN/WHY the Derelict and Cargo got to LV-426.    And then HOW MUCH they had Thought about the Inevitable Outcome?

Or did they NOT YET have a idea to HOW they will Finish?

All i can say is that Ridley Scott had said that the Xenomorph is NOT QUITE their Yet (Bio-Mechanical) and it has some EVOLVING to go before we get to ALIEN.

Also Chris (who Runs this Site) had some Request by FOX to remove some stuff that was put on HERE like Way Prior to Alien Covenant, what he had to take down as about David potentially Creating the Xenomorph and a Synthetic Android (other David) becoming the Xenomorph....   so we had to ASK as to WHY was that stuff asked to be TAKEN DOWN?

What we had is that David had begun to Create the Xenomorph, and at some POINT we will have seen HOW the Xenomorph becomes Bio-Mechanical and it could be LIKELY that David or a Walter Model will be the KEY.

Personally i can see WHY this was done, to make David the Creator but i think he could have GONE to make something more Superior the ULTRAMORPH instead. (which is Apparently what was the Plan in 2014, that in the Summer of 2015 was Changed to Create the Actual Xenomorph).

Will David be responsible for the Space Jockey (had they Continued) who knows...

Would a Synthetic had played a Role in the Bio-Mechancial Xenomorph i am Pretty Sure it would have.