"You got 40 seconds to get to the escape pod."

You just confirmed my belief that she was human. I would think a synthetic would have not have panicked like that.

We could also check the bottom of the juggernaut to see if it was a red or white stain dk. All joking aside, it does state in the Weyland-Yutani Report that Meredith Vickers is Peter Weyland's only legitimate child.

Nice to know that. I am one of the folks that goes by the movie pretty much. I dabble a bit but I think lowest common denominator. The average fan likely watches the movies and expects the story to be told in that format. I can appreciate the possible depths- that is why I am here- but here is my reality:

A conversation with an Alien franchise fan who only watches movies.

Michon- Hey dk, did you see AC?

dk- Yeah- did you like it?

Michon- It was great, but I didn't understand the flute music scene. I just rolled with it.

dk- Yeah- it is cool you liked the movie and that stuff gets explained if you get on Scified to delve into it.

Michon- Nah- that's ok. I just want to see a good Alien movie. Maybe they should just explain it in the movie.

@dk

I think that is a proper way to treat the Alien: Franchise.  If the people working on A:C want to share more than that, they should appropriately distribute that info within the Alien: Covenant DVD.  People should not have to scour the internet to find more information that can lead to a greater understanding of the movie!  If it ain't in the movie, it should be ON THE DVD!  I would even accept having more information in the movie novel as well, but apparently the people in charge of where that kind of information goes does not respect the fans time.  This problem to me has really began with the prequels since the internet has become so common around their time.  The people in charge need to get organized!  or "Organizized" has the one and only Spider One puts it (it's a band's song).

"Organizized", I'm a Taxi Driver fan myself I Moon Girl.

Here is...

@Ingeniero

Sorry, I don't get what you mean?  Is the song "Organizized" in the Taxi Driver video game?  I've heard of it and played it a couple times myself.

Here is another way to put it. I love a certain song by a certain band. I hear it on the radio and hate it because it gets chopped for time constraints. May not be the best example, but it is true. 

Ingeniero and I Moon Girl: Interestingly, we have to tumble down this hole, which can say something about Dav......umm....just watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkpes3dgzg

We really are on the same page dk. Thank you dude.

A compare and contrast topic on Travis Bickle and David 8 may be in the works.

Bickle was meticulous in his planning and development of weapons, had lost his mind a little, and then unleashed himself on his enemy. He also fumbled with the ladies much like David 8 with Daniels.

One thing for sure, Travis was no android. 

I am always amazed at how we can go way off the rails from the OP and still have fun!

Likewise dk.

Ingeniero - I'd like to know who was Meredith' secret connection.

@dk

Thanks for the link.  Yea, Taxi Driver was before my time.  I've never seen it, but I have a desire to watch it.  The only reason is in the memory of John Hinckley Jr.  Does anybody have any respect for this guy?  I do.  I got John Hinckley Jr. Day on my calendar.  It's March 30th.  That's the day of the attempted assassination.

Judge me as you will, but I do respect that man and choose to celebrate a holiday in his name.  It's something I decided to do since I remembered the story a few years ago.

You know they just recently let that guy out of the psych. ward sometime this year!  He's a free man.  I could care less really.  I'm not putting that on my calendar to celebrate.  I'm sure John is though.

(I wonder if I'm going to get any hate for posting this? or lectured?)

I Moon Girl I was a pre teen when he shot Reagan. Kind of turned our world upside down back then. If I was a mod I would say to keep politics out of threads- but I am not, so I won't.

No hate, but it sort of opens some bad memories at a place to escape them.

@dk

Sorry to upset you.  

Still, even though it is related to politics, it's just by chance.  There is no agenda pushing here, just a memory of history regardless of who was being targeted.  John could've tried to kill John Lennon and it wouldn't change anything that I'm saying.  He might have too, but apparently someone beat him to it.

No lecture from me I Moon Girl.

No respect for John Hinckley Jr. here either. 

I think that is why I try to dive into the characters and events dk opposed to talking about the talented actors behind all of it. It (this forum) does provide an escape. I can't watch the news because some how every topic covered has a political connection. This is our oasis from that.

Okay, so back to the thread then.

I probably wouldn't died with the ship if I was Vickers.  Yes, so she can survive on her lifeboat, but it just wouldn't seem like the right thing to do for me.  I guess that is the point of this scene with regards to the Weyland Corporation.  There are no exceptions to the selfishness of Weyland Corp.

Still, without Vickers trying to escape, Shaw wouldn't never survived that Engineer.  I wonder what would've happened?  She couldn't out run that Engineer.  That Engineer wouldn't killed Shaw, which would mean David would be at the mercy of anything, while the Engineer would've got another ship and set course to Earth (at least that's what we would assume).  So in a sense, Vicker's actions saved Earth.

Yet, I don't think the writers would allow this to happen.  If there was no lifeboat, then there would be another way for Shaw to kill that Engineer, or would there?

I know Ati.

Vicker's private recipient has to be someone high level considering the content of the message (removal of her father from power). I bet she was CEO for less than ten minutes. 

Ingeniero Sorry- a nerve was hit and it seems we should move on yes?

I guess the question that needs to be answered is whether Vickers actually escaped within the 40 seconds?

"Still, without Vickers trying to escape, Shaw wouldn't never survived that Engineer."

That is an excellent point I Moon Girl. Dr. Shaw would not have the means to stop the Engineer had Vickers decided to go all in saving those back home and stayed on the Prometheus. Things did line up for Elizabeth quite well on LV-223. David 8 put a stop to all that good fortune.

I love the first picture that Ingeniero posted.  It looks flawless.  So flawless, that it kind of looks fake.  So maybe it's not flawless... Regardless of what it is, I love that escape pod picture of Vickers.

Thank you I Moon Girl for your compliment on the image.

I adjusted the tone, contrast, and brightness to bring out the colors. The last image with the Prometheus, escape pod, Dr. Shaw, and the juggernaut is my favorite. I do love the escape pod zoom with the bright colors too. All very vivid.

That is so great Ati. That really made me laugh. I love that image.

Thank you.

Ingeniero - Happy you like it. :)

this got me thinking about the blu ray scene between Vickers and weyland. weyland seems surprised she was onboard and her response is that did he think she was going to spend years in a court room fighting for control of the company. makes me wonder which direction RS was gna go with this. obviously weyland has left someone else in charge of the company in his absence regardless of whether Vickers was there or not. now if the company was share based and weyland had the controlling stake, on his death Vickers would be the legal successor, unless she was an AI which she probably knew would give the board grounds to contest her legitimacy. or did he leave the company to someone else in his will? an update David model perhaps whom she would have to fight with for control??

I hadn't thought of that ali81 but I do think you're right regarding Peter Weyland's surprise to see Meredith Vickers. 

The Weyland-Yutani Report does cite that Vickers is heir to "Weyland-Yutani Corporation" but the merger didn't happen until 2099 and she died in late 2093. I assume the intent was clear (Vickers ascension) but the error was also.

The report also states that Meredith Vickers is Peter Weyland's only legitimate child. That does leave a lot of room for more Weyland progeny if she is singled out as "legitimate".

I do wonder who was left in control back at corporate.

ingeniero, iv often thought, as many before have, that at some point, synthetics gain control of the company. just a theory but another side to the franchise that id like to see explored. as I mentioned in previous post, tying into this theory, possible another David was left in charge while weyland was on the Prometheus as weyland would have full faith in a David if his programming was the same as the David model on the Prometheus?

I'm sure Peter Weyland would trust a David model but a corporate board might not. I guess it is based on how much of the company Peter Weyland still owned in regards to having his demands met. 

If it isn't a synthetic running the company while he sleeps on the way to LV-223, then I assume there is someone loyal to Peter Weyland still there at corporate. That might be optimistic because Meredith did not show loyalty to her father and she supposedly was next in line at Weyland Industries.

If synthetics exerted control ali81, I can't imagine a way the humans would gain it back with how integrated AI is in almost every task...especially transportation and communication. If David was able to convince Walter to go his way and forsake the Covenant crew then he might have luck with Mother. Mother certainly has no problem second placing the crew of Weyland vessels behind company interests.

Company interests may be synthetic interests.

Vickers I think hated weyland but like most daughters, all she craved was his love and approval. he wanted a boy I think and was disappointed he got a girl, hence his open showings of limited affection he shows for david. weyland may well have seen putting Vickers in control in his absence may have brought about troubles for him to regain control on his return as id guess she would have positioned herself in strong favour with powerful board members while he was gone as this would be her chance to hurt him. this is where the Vickers character fails IMO. we could have seen so much more of the relationship between the 2.

I have always liked the theory of synthetics taking over the company and it kinda ties in with Resurrection and the way synthetics seem to be viewed by humans. it looks like there has been a war on earth by the looks of the area ripley and call land at so could the synthetics taking over WY have played a part in this possible war? we see they don't care much for human life in the alien franchise so its safe to assume that feeling would be extended to all human life back on earth. what other sinister schemes and experiments did they come up with on earth?