Aliens First

But the guy in the video had a great point, without a social structure in place the Xeno's would regress and act like animals just as humans do if raised in the wild, running on all fours. 

well Critters5 lets hope we get some answers regarding what Planet 4 was in the next few movies, its open to debate what role everything there plays. I have a few theories on the subject.... But they could end up taking this Topic in a different direction, well maybe.

It could be just those Engineers chose to revert back to more Ancient ways due to the Hubris of Sub-creating and maybe trying to Perfect their Species. But there are so many clues that does not quite fit, and so leads me to think these beings are just a Genetic Stock that are used for Sacrifices.

Yea I heard a theory that the statues on Planet 4 are Engineers who gave their lives as sacrifices. 

I see similarities between the Juggernaut with the thousands of eggs in the hold and the Covenant with its cargo of thousands of colonists. I don't believe the Juggernaut left LV223 after the outbreak because it should have been loaded wuth thousands of urns of black goo instead of eggs, there was no trace of eggs on LV223.

The idea that the xenomorph created the engineers is however far fetched, same as the idea that Jesus was an engineer. 

The SJ cannot be an engineer suit, but something that inspired the design of an engineer suit. It's like the engineers painted their cave walls in the dawn of their civilization with SJ creatures. 

Why not the SJ be the creator of both the engineers and the xenomorphs? Or at least someone familiar from their past?

Not sure if we'll ever find out, but we can create our own myths so which way is better? I prefer the mystery to some fanboy version that has all the premises to kill the beauty of the alien universe. 

I don't need another Aliens.

Thats the logical set up daliens.

If David is the Creator of the Xenomorph so that without his Bombardment and Experiments on Planet 4 there would be NO Xenomorph in Alien, then the Fact David has Thousands of Colonist does appear to be a Shoe-horned Plot that THESE Colonist end up being the Eggs, unless David Creates a Queen.

Then those EGGS must get to and on-board a Engineer Ship, Finally this ship must END up in the LV-223/426 System which i can assume is no where near Origae-6.   It appears David is going to ORIGAE-6 so this takes 7.5 years off the 18 years until Alien, which means those EGGS and the SPACE JOCKEY will have been on LV-426 for no more than 10 years.

The SJ Ultimately will not be nothing more than a Space Suit, they can FIX issues of Size though by revealing a Race above the Engineers who are 12-15ft tall and are Humanoid but maybe not so Human looking.  A Problem is if they go the 1979 Xenomorph and Space Jockey Aesthetic it could be a case of coming to a agreement with the HR Giger Estate.

I really think its going to be David in the SJ seat. I don't think they have the time to introduce though I would love it a new more SJ accurate race of Engineers. I think they will shoehorn it home. 

I think there is a chance for just that. (Time for Engineers to come into play).

You see Critters5 if we look at the set up, we have David in charge of the Covenant Space Craft, which will take 7.5 years to Origae-6, now i think having Origae-6 being a World that has Humanoids already there would be a bit of a coincidence, especially if they are Engineers or Humans.

So i can safely assume David has NO access to a Engineer Ship when he arrives at Origae-6... HOWEVER Ridley Scott had said that there would be 3-4 incoming Parties ONE of which are the ENGINEERS who return to Planet 4 and Discover what has happened, and they wont be best pleased and would want to hunt down who ever caused this.

So its Safe to Assume Engineers will arrive at very least, and its via their Actions that is where the Derelict comes from, be it.

1) A Engineer Juggernaught AKA Derelict that Goes to Origae-6 then heads to LV-223.

2) A Engineer Ship/ or David some other way ends on LV-223 and this is where the Derelict is obtained.

Ridley Scott mentioned the Derelict is hundreds of years older/newer than the Juggernaught, if he plans to keep to this to show why they appear a bit different, then this leaves it VERY OPEN for the Derelict Ship to be a incoming Engineer Related Ship.

David said the engineers banished the wolf. What if the derelict was one of the ships that removed the already created eggs from an engineer world (like we do with the dangerous waste)? They realized it might get out of their control so they decided to move it elsewhere.

Maybe they could not destroy it on their own planet due to the acid blood, or they did not want to do any damage to their environment or even were afraid that something might go wrong during the process (it eventually happened to the SJ).

If that is a plausible scenario it would not be difficult to show it in the next film, as a flashback even.

A beast is so called that for a reason, although human beings are proving everyday that "homo sapiens" don't actually apply.

The very first beast is smart, but lacks every sense of preserving life, but its own - which we just can't apply to every single "homo sapiens", let alone real human beings.

So, (if we follow xenomorph=creator & engineers=creation), how come a creator lacks the very same motive for creating? It doesn't make sense.

And, amazing enough, the guys up here who get to even consider the primary issue on this post... Well, they are the ones who don't like AI imersed in the Alien universe at all.

How come?

The Banishing of the Wolf, could relate to the Xenomorph (Black Goo) it could also mean Creation so Mankind could have been the Engineers Wolf, because its a bit ambiguous.

I would assume however it is regarding the Black Goo and what ever Experiments that lead to that Black Goo, and so this is maybe like the COVENANT between GOD and Mankind, when he vowed he would never Flood the World again.

Years ago when discussing why the Engineers never returned i did wonder if it was just as with GOD and the Great Flood, in that the Engineers decided to abandon the Punishment intended and to never attempt this again and turn their backs on Mankind... Simply Abandon us to our own Destruction, thinking without the Engineers we would never Evolve past how we was thousands of years ago.

So they made a Covenant to Abandon the LV-223 Bio-Weapons Objective, but then we cant be 100% sure because we dont yet have any 100% reason for why the Engineers would welcome back a Juggernaught ship if it was linked purely to Destruction their race had turned their backs on.

Gavin

If we compare a xenomorph spicies to an ant hive( witch i dont really like doing because it simplifies them down to something that we can understand) the queen can get inpregnated by any fertile male. if we assume the drones are infertile then there should be a whole nothere group of xenomorphs thats main cause is to breed with the queen. for me that group is the preatorian gaurd.seen in some comics and video games, the preatorian gaurds are male xenomorphs that are larger smarter faster and stronger than any other xenomorph but less than the queen. the are more intelligent then than average xenomorph. i think ths would be what is inpregnating the queen.

Gavin

If we compare a xenomorph spicies to an ant hive( witch i dont really like doing because it simplifies them down to something that we can understand) the queen can get inpregnated by any fertile male. if we assume the drones are infertile then there should be a whole nothere group of xenomorphs thats main cause is to breed with the queen. for me that group is the preatorian gaurd.seen in some comics and video games, the preatorian gaurds are male xenomorphs that are larger smarter faster and stronger than any other xenomorph but less than the queen. the are more intelligent then than average xenomorph. i think ths would be what is inpregnating the queen.

sorry. duplicate posts.

@Timmy

I think for sure, the Xenomorph Hive could Evolve to have such things, but i think if they are going the route of the Xenomorph Procreation being Perfect... Then i would assume the Queen can Produce Eggs via Asexual Reproduction (Parthenogenesis) i think Prometheus attempted this with the Hammerpedes, as Worms can Reproduce Asexually. 

I will study the OT Video and come back to this...

I can ponder from RS comments regarding the Planet 4 Engineers being the Original Ones, and then looking at the context of Biblical connections... and it gets me to ponder if RS claims those Engineers in Prometheus are the Fallen Angels..   And he did not want to meet GOD in the first movie (removal of the Elders Scene) and then on the set of AC he claimed the Hall of Heads (which looked like the Elders) are the Wise Men, Apostles, Superior Beings and the Hierarchy.

When we then look at Davids Story being similar to that of Lucifer, we can maybe make a connection between David and the Engineers on LV-223....   WHAT IF... the Original Engineers Created a Race in their own image, these were the LV-223 Engineers these rebelled and was replaced by Mankind.

So the LV-223 Engineers hatred towards us, is the same as the Bible paints Fallen Angels dislike for Mankind.  The Engineers then created the Black Goo, or experimented with it to Create something intended to use against Mankind.

We now come to David who appears to have similar Motivations.

Bigdave, makes sense :)