making sence of ridley scotts two press conferences.

dk

Look, for me what started with Prometheus, should have never been a prequel or a reboot. I understand hints and subtle references in a show don't tell manner (not as blatant fan service), but tell something new already.

red0guy I think someone said that Prometheus was a great movie unto itself but slapped a coat of Giger on it to fit in with the franchise basically.

dk

I don't know about that as it always was intended as part of the Alien Universe. I don't know what this alien franchise should be and I don't care as long as I like what I see. And by way, Covenant was the first Alien almost Giger-free.  

It seems that he is changing his mind a lot, first it was about the Engineers and then it was about David. We would get a Ripley connection and then we didn't, what goes on with Ridley really?

Hopefully there will be more Engineers and better human characters in the next movie. Making it as disappointing as Covenant would be difficult, maybe if they did a mix of Covenant and AR it would be worse but that is not likely.

By reducing the role of the Xeno I think that they got to make something that is of a bigger threat and I don't mean David, I am tired of androids. Hopefully they will make the Engineers more of a danger.

AI to me is robots really but even if they would make it more about machines (think Terminator) I don't think that it is what this franchise is about or should be about. I would look elsewhere for that and I will ignore the next movie if that is the path that they will take.

Maybe the next one could be more about the Engineers and the black goo (sounds like Prometheus right?) but they got to make sense of the engineers and have way better human characters than we have seen in the prequels this far. More Engineers, less David thank you.

More engineers doesn't make them successful. They are pretty stupid, first time on LV 223 when an outbreak destroyed them except one or two (if we consider the SJ) and second time on planet 4. If they created the mankind and then decided to destroy it, that is another example of bad management. Plus all the story from Advent. A bunch of failures.

I honestly don't want to see too many engineers because I dislike those movies when people speak some made up languages. Made up languages suck.

daliens

Well if an alien civilization in a movie would talk in ancient Sumerian, would that also suck? When you hear it you can see it is also made up. Listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUcTsFe1PVs . Or ancient Egyptian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntnBuQAvFjA or ancient Hebrew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--UABwqW9Sg .

Anything not indo-european sound weird probably. 

red0guy

When you see a film about the Roman Empire would you prefer it in Latin, even if Latin sounds familiar?

The made up languages from GoT suck and they were unnecessary in my opinion. You always need an interpreter, it kills the pace of the film.

Who wants to hear funny sounds from engineers, hardcoded in English? Better make them telepathic. 

I don't want to hear the story of the black goo told by an engineer. I prefer to listen to David.

daliens

You mis my point however. Invented languages are no more stupid than ancient ones. If done in an historically accurate manner a film in Latin about Romans would be awesome, but possibly it won't have a wide appeal.

"Who wants to hear funny sounds from engineers, hardcoded in English?" you mean english subtitles? The same logic can be applied to Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ , why make Jesus speak in his native tongue so that american's have to read subtitles... Get over it, I've been watching films with subtitles all my life because English is not my mother tongue. 

What is silly however is when  mobster talk English with phony Italian or Russian accents, or when I can speak better Hungarian than Olmos in both Blade Runners.

I for one wanted a scientist to talk about the black goo (with or without accents), as the words of the psychopaths can not be trusted. 

if the engineers are going to have a decent amount of screen time then theres no reason we cant hear them talking in their native tongue to begin with then have it morph into English after a few minutes.

ali81

Yes, but with whom to talk in English? On Planet 4 all is left are some human rotting human bodies, a preserved vivisected one and an offline robot, which they should restore with no knowledge of binary logic (according to David). On the other planet it is very doubtful that they will be willing to speak to anyone.

talking amongst themselves. their obv going to arrive on a ship so id imagine there will be more than 1 of them

also David has shown he can communicate with them

ali81

Yes...but it would make no sense for them to talk to each other in English.

Man did Ridley get lazy with the Engineer design in AC. 

it wouldn't bother me if it wasn't in English with subtitles but like I said, having them start out in their native tongue and then morph it into English saves people moaning about having to read subtitles.

critters. u could say he got lazy. im just so disappointed the engineers have been made to look so weak and haven't been used properly imo

Yea I hated how human they looked in Prometheus and now in AC they look retarded. 

@redguy

The part about Childbirth with Dr Shaw i was referring to David being able to give her a Traditional Fetus and not a Trilobite, when i saw the Leaked shots from set that had those baby skulls i noticed they was Human Baby Skulls not Apes, and that got me to wonder if David had entered a COVENANT with Dr Shaw.  And in this i mean David as part of a deal said he could allow Dr Shaw to bare Children so THEY can start  A NEW and i wondered why David would do this? Was it a Olive Branch to make up for Destroying the Engineers?

So that this world could become a NEW Place for a NEW start, where David informs Shaw he believes he can find a way so she can Give Birth to Human Babies before something went wrong, and David experimented on these.

But alas, with AC out we find out mainly from Davids Notes that these are Engineer Infants... so my theory was wrong, but i think i was not far off with some of it because the Advent Viral Video indeed states that David washed the Engineer World Clean so Dr Shaw and he Could start a NEW EDEN so you have to wonder what his plans was for her if she accepted what he intended.

As for the Ripley Replicant, being created from Daniels, indeed only a Clone that can be artificially aged or like a Replicant would fit with the Time-Line but i am not sure this would be a good idea.

@red0guy

Prometheus was intended as a Prequel that would have had more Alien Franchise Connections, but then FOX decided it did not have to be much about the Xenomorph or Directly showing/telling about the Space Jockey and so it was changed a bit.  The connections are there but just vaguely,  then with a sequel they wanted to explore the Engineers more but again FOX felt nope... Fans did not like Engineers and needed to see the Xenomorph and how it was created and so again RS had to change direction.

so the above also applies to Thoughts_Dreams and your other reply in that the number of changes they keep making is not helping things at all, its basically like a make it up as you go along instead of sticking to a Plan... we can see how Star Wars EP8 suffered likewise because fans felt EP7 was too much like earlier movies so they changed things for that movie and brushed things aside set up by the first one.. much like AC did with Prometheus.

Sometimes you have to NOT try and Please FANS but stick to a Coherent story/plan.

I will add red0guy you raised very good points about how easy the Engineers could not control their Bio-Weapons or Protect against them, the only way out of this is reveal that these guys had Stolen all that Stuff or they played a Role under a Higher Race who they Rebelled against and they attempted to use their Creators Technology and it back fired... I ACTUALLY think this is what will be revealed. I am also wondering if Humans could be revealed as being much more Ancient and Powerful than we believe.. well our Ancestors. (not Engineers) ;)

As for the Dialog of the Engineers this is a tricky one...

I dont think they can introduce them in any meaningful way if they are going to talk some Language we are not going to understand, in Prometheus it was not so bad because (and especially the cut down scene we ended up with) it did not matter too much.

If we see them again then unless they have little screen time or they hardly speak, then i think it would be very wise for them to use SUBTITLES

If they use English i think it would be just a bit odd, the only way i can think of is using ONE/TWO of the following.

1) When Engineers speak to Engineers give us it English but when speaking to Non-Engineers we get Subtitles, but this could confuse the Audience.

2) When the Engineers speak we use Subtitles, until a point when the Engineers use some-kind of Technology on a Human where they can then Translate and then we either have the Engineers that speak to this Human speak now in English, or the Engineers can somehow Telepathically or other means take the information from the Device and then can Speak English to the Humans.  

I would say option 2 would be the better option.

The Engineers need to be handled better, but i feel the damage done in AC can only be undone (given more credibility) if they go one of these routes.

A) They reveal another Race above the Engineers, and the LV-223 kind just evolved themselves with the other Races Tech.

B) The LV-223 Engineers Evolved themselves with Technology or are the result of Genetic Engineering, a basic attempt of those Planet 4 Engineers or others above them, doing what Weyland had done with David and Tyrell with the Replicants

C) Reveal another Race and show they allowed some to become evolved to LV-223 Engineers, but others not to be.

D) Just reveal those Planet 4 Engineers are another Subspecies of the LV-223 Engineers.