Alien: Covenant Engineer extras

ugh so lame 

I look more Engineer than them ;)

I think we have to wonder if those beings are how they are purely for Oversight, i.e RS only needed them for a Plot Device to show Davids bombardment and so thought to save money they would not invest much time on make up etc.

But then how hard  is it to apply a different shade of Paint and Purchase Black Sclera Contacts

LOL but seriously how hard is it to match the correct skin tone? and get those contacts?  Cost of what in bulk  $10-15 per cast member, plus time to apply?  Ok we need a Prosthetic Nose Bridge  but i bet the cost could be done for like $30-40 each.  Plus make up time and paying the Make up Artist.

Then the Engineers who will be seen up close add a bit more detail or gloss over with CGI.

So saving time and money on those Engineers really would not have saved much if they had a different skin tone and contact lenses...  So MAYBE there is a reason they appear different?

Ridley Scott has given use clues this is the case, calling these beings THE ORIGINAL Engineers and after Prometheus was released saying he DID-NOT want to meet GOD in the first movie (why Elders Scene was cut) but that David and Shaw would find these beings who are not Gods..

Then we have Ridley Scott after AC saying the Engineers ARE-NOT a Race but a CIVILIZATION this certainly could explain the differences, and also then ties to what the Source i had informed me about early 2015 regarding the canceled Prometheus 2

I think if we take these on board and look at various  Creation Mythos and looking at David's Creation i do think maybe there is a Pattern?  The source i had claimed David had more in common with the Engineers, is this the LV-223 Engineers or all Engineers?

If the Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals, then this could mean the LV-223 Engineers are either a caste of Engineers who had Engineered themselves to become Evolved to look that way... or the Original Engineers, had Sub-created Engineered versions of themselves for some purpose.

Bladerunner we have the Replicates, these are Organic AI, they are grown and can we rule out the LV-223 Engineers being to the Planet 4 Engineers as Replicants in Blade Runner are to us?

"LOL but seriously how hard is it to match the correct skin tone? and get those contacts?"

I dunno, I 'm not a makeup artist. From what we've heard, Ridley Scott said that the flashback sequence involving the engineers wasn't originally in the script, they filmed it because Ridley felt they needed to answer what exactly happened to those engineers, how and who did it because a lot of people complained about what happened to the engineers on LV-223 because despite the film giving hints it wasn't really clear. Different makeup was either because of budget or on purpose to show they are a different class of engineers.

I just noticed the same thing with Thanos.

AVENGERS (2012)

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (2014)

AVENGERS AGE OF ULTRON (2015)

And now in AVENGERS INFINITY WAR (2018)

Different eyes and skin colour.

And I would also like to mention Caliban from X-MEN.

X-MEN APOCALYPSE (2016)-movie takes place in 1983

LOGAN (2017)-movie takes place in 2029.

Different eyes and skin colour.

For me there was NO OVERSIGHT. if they needed black eyes they would of had them. just think of the detail in these films.

This means, as suggested - The Engineers 223 , IMO are Geneticaly Enhanced beings. Perhaps even made as clones as the untlimate futuristic designer baby. Possibly made or enhanced by the Elders using technology way past our visions.  Made to be sacrificed when the time is right and a planet is ready for seeding. Maybe only every few thousand years so they do get long lives until it is time to be sacrificed

EDIT: Anyone think Holloways infection looked like the Engineers in the pic ????? Early signs were similar but amount applied changed reactions

@Dark Nebula

Indeed some good points there, i think it is very interesting regarding RS mentioning this Scene was not in the Draft, and you can see why it was added to avoid the same kinds of complaints Prometheus had regarding the Dead Engineers and we only being shown the Hologram Ghost Engineer running to get to the Big Head/Ampoule Room.

I agree sherris maybe RS had done this for a reason, because he had called these beings the Original Engineers and by the notion of this comment the LV-223 Engineers are thus either a Latter More Evolved Species, or they are not Engineers or they are the same but its just a Oversight.

But when we look at RS and his comment regarding the Engineers ARE-NOT a Race but a CIVILIZATION and other comments including those made at the time of Prometheus (i DID-NOT want to meet GOD in the first movie, but David and Shaw would meet these beings who are not Gods in the Traditional Sense)

Then i think indeed it could be that there is a difference between them, which can make us ponder are those LV-223 Engineers some of these Engineers who had Genetically Evolved/Engineered themselves... or are they a Sub-Creation that are Genetically Engineered and thus similar to Replicants in Bladerunner.

Hopefully we can see what the connection/differences are and WHY in future movies.

One can only hope Alien: Covenant sequel happens.

I just noticed one thing when the Engineers were subdued by the black goo, their eyes appeared very black.

Billy Mansell's twitter post

https://twitter.com/Dabillster78/status/927537339546599424

Juke Hardy appears to have been an engineer extra in Alien: Covenant, however, there are no photos of him as the engineer.

His IMDb page

His Starnow page

Sculpted Engineer corpses by Colin Ware from Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/BdelvRoHKgi/?taken-by=prosthetix

This one appears to be a female engineer corpse

(screengrab)

And this one is a male

I think we know where Disney are going to take the ALIEN Franchise!

Snoke was an Engineer.

Mystery solved.

Indeed and it fits perfectly because Ridley Scotts Engineers are half the intended size... but i guess so is SNOKE now ;)

Yep, I second that.

The look of the Engineers on Paradise will always bother me. I even asked Ridley about this when i met him and he explained that these were simply the civilians of the Engineer race while the ones in Prometheus were the militant type.

Still though, the black eyes and "aesthetic perfection" they went for in Prometheus did a whole lot better than whatever these Paradise dwellers looked like. I just found them very de-mystifying.

"these were simply the civilians of the Engineer race while the ones in Prometheus were the militant type."

Just as I thought. I know we were all expecting them to look like the sacrificial engineer at the beginning of Prometheus.

The ones from LV-223 looked more genetically engineered. 

This reminds me of an old cartoon called exo-squad where humans have created larger and stronger beings via genetic manipulation and cloning. They called them neo-sapiens and used them as slaves on colonized planets. They were mass produced and this turned out to be a huge mistake when neo-sapiens rebelled against their masters.

Same thing in blade runner with replicants.

Well...is this a galaxy spanning race? I'd expect them to be very different for each planet. 

7.5 billion Earthlings are very different.There is over 6,000 languages on planet Earth....can't even fathom what'll happen when we seed the stars.

Engineers probably have millions of languages and body types....In fact Humans are probably Engineers....just a different strain.

This is where RS can sometimes appear confusing....

I know RS had inferred to LV-223 as a Military Outpost but there are a number of flaws with this, it appears the clues with Prometheus and AC do paint a picture for us, i wonder if this picture is whats different to what RS has in his mind?

Jon Spaights Alien Engineers started all of this... his idea seems to show is the Pursuit of Perfection and attempting to Evolve Creation, which lead to the Ancient Engineers Evolving themselves to the point they lost the ability to Procreate.  These beings are Engineers and as RS had mentioned Space Gardeners, Genetic Gardeners and so indeed for any Race who wish to Genetically Create and Experiment we can see the aim would be to Perfect what ever creation it is.  Be it a Gardener attending to his Crop, where they may try to Hybridize Crop, make better Crop.

If we put this down to Humanoid Genetic Experiments, then we can see with Human Science, we could be pushing the boundaries of Genetic Manipulation, which has some Moral Compass Boundaries but indeed its possible if Science is Allowed to do what ever it wishes that in Hundreds of Years we could Genetically Engineer the Perfect Human. If not in the not to distant future.

And so if WE Genetically Engineered ourselves so our Organs do not die or wear out, well at a much slower rate, and we Genetically are Engineered to be immune to 99.9% of any diseases or viruses and any Genetic Flaws, so that we could live say Thousands of Years, then losing the ability to Procreate could be a possible outcome...

So when we look at the Planet 4 Engineers which Ridley Scott claimed are the ORIGINAL Engineers and also they live for 150 years, where as Jon Spaights Alien Engineers lived for Thousands, we can certainly be led to conclude that some ENGINEERS had taken Genetic Manipulation to the Extreme and became the LV-223 Engineers.

The route that Alien Covenant had taken with our more Human looking Engineers and Females, puts into Question the notion that the Species Lost the Ability to Procreate.... especially of those Planet 4 Engineers are the ORIGINALS we have to then ask WHY do they Seed Worlds?  HOW/WHY did Mankind come to be.

Surely these Engineers just needed to go to other Worlds and Drop off a Colony of their Species, say a Hundred and then over thousands of years we have a Civilization.

A few interesting points Ridley Scott had made....

When talking about the Engineers, he did mention just how Humans have different races/creeds and so different versions of Humanity, why cant the Engineers have the same.  He also had mentioned that the Engineers ARE-NOT a Race but a CIVILIZATION

There has to be something to all of this then, because indeed those LV-223 and Planet 4 Engineers are different, and we still have to ask what Purpose was LV-223 and our Creation, because those Planet 4 Engineers were not afraid of the returning Juggernaught.... was this a welcoming of their Military Heros back from Battle?

Then we need to look at LV-223 the Star Maps span Thousands of years, if this place was a Military Outpost from its inception then why did they leave us a Map to it as early as 35'000 years ago, and come back over and over to interact with Mankind for thousands of years, before 2000 years ago setting off to Destroy us?

Why show many Ancient Civilizations a Map to a Weapons Facility, why Produce Bio-Weapons for over 35'000 years and show this place to Mankind and then after 33'000 years  plan to use this Bio-Weapon and happen to then loose control of it 2000 years ago?  How did they contain it for 33'000 years?

None of it makes sense..... apart from this place LV-223 was a Outpost a Gardeners Nursery/Greenhouse where they watched over us, came down and took back samples to Test and Evolve and then place the Results they was pleased with back on Earth...  This would explain why the LV-223 Outpost was Tera-formed, and because those LV-223 Engineers could survive outside.

The Star Maps were to tell us WHERE WE CAME FROM

But something happened that caused them to become infected with something that lead to the Deacon and these Engineers then saw this as Perfect, maybe more so if these LV-223 Engineers could not Procreate, then the Xenomorph Parasite Life-Cycle would allow them to Give Birth to Life.  They then saw this DNA as Perfect and chosen to use its (Mural) DNA in those Urns to Evolve Mankind.

The Planet 4 Engineers are maybe not aware of LV-223, if the Juggernaughts are a Evolution of the Tear Drop Seeding Ships, where instead of Sacrificing a Engineer with a Bowl/Cup of Sacrificial Goo, they could instead expose them to the same Process but collect the broken down Engineer DNA and store them in Urns.

This is a Evolution of the Seeding Process, taking a Number of Engineers and Sacrifcing them in some Chamber or similar where there Broken Down DNA is then collected into those Urns or Ampoules instead of being allowed to enter the Water-Fall and Fly into the Wind...  would make Seeding Worlds more simple... They just drop those Urns instead.

THIS... would explain those Engineers welcoming a Juggernaught, if the Purpose is that a few Chosen Engineers would be used to be Sacrificed on those Ships to become the SEED for New Worlds, a Great Honor for their Kind, and then they are Immortalized not only in their DNA, but by having a Statue Erected in their image and honor in the Plaza

The Statues around the Hanger which those Engineers were flocking to in  Thousands, look like Buddha Offering Statues, they appear to be holding a Ceremonial Bowl like the Sacrificial Scene, and hence indeed to me this indicates a Great Sacrificial Purpose to the Hanger.

All of this is similar to my theories prior to AC, and after AC i think these things add up more to those theories, but its a case of IS ANY OF THIS actually what RS had going through his mind?

One of the Last Things the Source had told me was the Plot was very Dark Crystal and Matrix more than anything, having this week looked into those Mythos i surely can see the connections.

The Engineers Bio-Mechanical Technology/Aesthetic has something in common with the Xenomorph, but i think what is interesting is some of the Experiments in Davids work-shop share some similar Aesthetics to the Engineers Suits.

There has to be a connection, and so at some point these Engineers obtained/created a Bio-Technology that they had applied to themselves and one time by going to far maybe created something else... like the Fresco Creature (which has similar posture/proportions to the Lab Experiment above) or they came across something that lead to similar as in the Fresco and began Engineering/Experiments on this that leads to their Bio-Mechanical Atheistic of their Suits.

I think you are right Bigdave. Too bad I don't think we are going to get a sequel. I think if a year or two passes Ridley may literally pass and these prequels will be forgotten by Disney. 

I think we will get a Alien movie thats for certain...  its a case of when and what kind of a movie.

As time ticks on, it means less and less validity to any kind of Alien movie that has Ripley, unless we get a CGI Ripley and how knows how far Technology will come in 10 years....   As time ticks on, its less likely Ridley Scott will be able to work on another Alien movie too.

The Door is open for a Reboot of the Franchise but i dont think this would be needed as there is plenty of room for the Xenomorph or similar to be explored within the context of the unanswered and uncovered elements within the Franchise.

I hope we get a sequel to Alien Covenant, but i think even if this does not happen for many many years it could still be done and tied into Alien Covenant and Alien, because it needs not have Daniels or Tennessee and they could have a movie set many years latter where we only see David as remains of his corpse, where his head can be activated to Narrate what transpired.

But as far as Ripley... the longer time goes by the less logical a sequel would be, and i would only EVER consider Ripley in TWO ways.. 

1) A Alien Resurrection sequel, where she starts to Evolve into something else, so make up will hide her Age.

2) Play Amanda Ripley in a time set UP-TO 10 years before Aliens... but as time goes on, this would be less likely path due to Miss Weavers Age. But could work if done in the next 2-4 years tops.  Which would allow Alien Isolation to be tied into the Franchise and also explain that Amandas Death was not Natural but a cover up/murder.

Looking at RS comments post Alien Covenant and ignoring the rest...

Then the Engineers Story is a very odd one..

Basically it paints the following picture...

*We have these Engineer beings who live for 150 years and have females and who Shun Technology apart from a few places (Lighting/Heating) and Military Purposes. 

*At some point these Engineers have Engineered a more Advanced Super Solider variant of their Species the LV-223 Engineers.

*At some point a Engineer Sacrifices himself to kick start Creation on Earth, we now have to ask WHY? If those Engineers had Females?  (or was this done by the Engineered Sterile Super Solider Engineers?)

*The Engineers have other ships that leave Planet 4 (Home-world) to go about Genetic Gardening in Space again WHY?

*At some point after interacting with Mankind for Thousands of Years, they (or those on LV-223) begin to develop a Bio-Weapon to Eradicate Mankind.

There is a lot more Flesh to the Story than this... a lot more that Prometheus had laid the ground-work for but who knows what we will see from the Engineers now...  If Planet 4 is the Home-world and that was the only City on that Planet, we have to wonder how many Engineer Ships are out there?  This makes a limited number of Engineers left.......

Unless they have other outposts...

It seems that the Engineer in one of the previous photos I showcased is Steve Doyle.

Some other people that played Engineers were Scott James and Benjamin Taylor.

I suppose that the little engineer behind BoZ is Benjamin Taylor since Benjamin's IMDB bio says that he is 4'11".

Engineer actors inside the tent, drinking coffee. Photo shared on FB group by Billy Mansell.

2 photos shared by Steve Dibble Doyle on FB group.

Made a meme out of them.

Pretty sure the Engineers on Prometheus were slightly altered.  I re-watched Prometheus last weekend and noticed something....When the Engineer is stroking David's head his hand appears to have black veins, as though he was slightly effected by the black goo.  I will try to find  a picture since I am at work :)

Here

Jaw-dropping and awe-inspiring Planet 4's inhabitants were not! Guess they were the poor relations.

Having the release date moved up and your budget cut could go some way to explaining this. Even Ridley couldn't work a miracle given those constraints!

I've all but given up on ever seeing what I want....

Trippy Giger-tec, Super-engineers, Space Jockeys, proper Giger-morbs, Deacons and if we must, dumb hoomanzs, all battling it out in a Lovecraftian cosmic horror. Anyone?? ;)

ps...and a ships cat!! 

Thank you Dark Nebula!  The post production shows a much darker vein structure too.  We could be onto something?  

Yes, and the Sacrificial Engineer had that same dark 'marbled' vein structure, even before he drank the Black Pathogen. Plus the Elder Engineers had it too!