Time and Space - Again!

Thank you chli for trying to tackle this.

Although not considered canon by many, there is a special thanks to a 20th Century Fox rep in the credits Prometheus: Life and Death Final Conflict comic. So, I read into this as "some" coordination on content.

The juggernaut in the comics showed the ability to transport to another place and time immediately. This reconciles with David saying "10 years ago" when talking of arriving to Planet 4 to the Covenant crew. I know much of what he said was an obvious lie but he said it...so it's very hard to nail down where Planet 4 actually is.

Ingeniero

Yes, I agree that David could be lying about Shaw needing to go into cryosleep. Shaw asks how long it will take to get to the engineer homeworld and David answers: “Impossible to say”. According to The Alien Universe Timeline, these are the dates:

• 1 January 2094: David and Shaw leave LV-223
• 1 December 2094: D & S arrive at Planet 4
• 1 January 2104: The Covenant launches from Earth orbit
• 5 December 2104: The covenant receives a signal from Planet 4
• 25-26 December 2104: Happenings on Planet 4
• 1 January 2105: Advent: David transmits a message to WY

If, as you suggest, a juggernaut can transport itself to another part of space (and time??) immediately, then it would, of course, be interesting to know what David’s been up to for the 11 months it took to get to Planet 4?

Do you have a link to the Time-line? Can we take this as accurate?

As far as i am aware we have not in the Movie, or Material related to DVD/Blu-Ray or Novels got a date of departure for the Covenant ship.

David and Dr Shaw left we can assume LV-223 on January 1st 2094, the events of Prometheus happen at the end of 2093 and so 11 years prior to the events of Alien Covenant.

David claims he was on Planet 4 for about 10 years, this could be less or more than 10 years...   A thing to notice is The Crossing, we see Dr Shaws Hair is longer and unless this is a Ridley Scott Oversight it has to mean that DR Shaw had spent 4-6 months pondering putting David back together before she actually did.

Ridley Scott did say prior to AC that she would slowly put him back together.

I am going to assume that Dr Shaw was placed into Cryo-sleep between April-July 2094 it has to be in that Ball Park, and for David to have been on Planet 4 for about 10 years means he would have had to arrived and carried out the Bombardment about December 2094

So the Juggernaught would have taken about 6-9 months to get to Planet 4, but we dont know 100% what David did in his time after he put Dr Shaw into Cryo-sleep to when he set off to Planet 4.

He lied to Dr Shaw, so that she would in effect be incapacitated and leave David Free to pursue what ever Agenda he wishes.

We thus have no knowledge of how FAST a Engineer Ship is, i would assume they can Travel Vast Distances due to the Fact they have other Galaxies in their Navigation Systems... which means that Interstellar Travel is vastly easy for them.

What we do know is the Covenant arrived about 7 years 4 months off from Origae-6 before it diverted the 7 week journey to Planet 4.   We dont really know how fast the Covenant is, for this we would need to know the Covenants Departure date, and the distance in LY for Origae-6

Prometheus was able to Travel at about 20X Speed of Light, the Re-fitted Nostromo about 47X the Speed of Light, i think we can assume the Covenant is Faster than the Prometheus, but its hard to say if its Faster/Slower than the Nostromo.

I think it would be safe to assume that Origae-6 has to be at least 3-4X Further away from Earth than the Zeta 2 System. But it could be way more than that.

" then it would, of course, be interesting to know what David’s been up to for the 11 months it took to get to Planet 4?"

I can only assume a period of this time was spent while Dr Shaw pondered putting David back together again, her Hair Growth would take most Females 4-6 months, and then the other time could be when DAVID was learning the Engineers Ways.

Once Dr Shaw was in Cryo-sleep,  then David could have the freedom to go where ever he wanted.... we discussed this prior to AC and so he could have gone to LV-223 again, he could have gone to LV-426 to get some Eggs...  (this now seems unlikely if David created them).

I can only assume David Arrived on Planet 4 between April 2094-December 2094

The Speed of the Juggernaughts is also interesting regarding RS comments on the Space Jockey event...

He claimed the Derelict did not get FAR from its Departure, now this hints at its departure being LV-223, but it depending if we are talking FAR as in Distance or Time...   10 Miles is a bit far to Walk it would take about 3-3.5 hours to walk...   But in a Car its 10-15 Minute journey.

So even if we consider that the Space Jockey event is not Ancient, if we consider the NOT FAR as in terms of the Travel in Time for the Derelict then indeed Oriae-6 or Planet 4 to LV-426 could be considered not FAR... but then it would be a coincidence if it was going to some other place and just happened to only get as far as LV-426...    Unless LV-223 was its destination but then RS comments would make not sense because it would not be NOT FAR, but actually just before its destination.

So its really up in the AIR as far as the Distances/Time a Engineer ship can travel.  Just because the Engineers can Travel to other Galaxies does not mean this journey does not take considerable time, hence the Cryo-Stasis Pods

It would also make sense with RS comments about returning Engineers to Planet 4 who come and go and certain times, if these Ships Travel really fast so say to Earth in a instant.... this means those Returning Engineers are in the Far Reaches of our Galaxy, or another Galaxy or they spend many years doing what ever they are doing and then the Travel to Planet 4 is not so long, but what they are doing takes many years.

BigDave

Here's where I got the dates:

https://yutani.blog/alien-universe-timeline/

To me, it doesn't seem likely that Shaw would wait 4-6 months until entering the hypersleep chamber. The engineers can hardly have left anything edible considering 2000 years have passed, so Shaw has to leave the safety of the juggernaut and go back to Miss Vicker's life support shuttle. Well, I wouldn't. I'm not sure which I would rather meet: an angry engineer or a trilobite? As a matter of fact, if she had gone back she would be dead because of the deacon (bear in mind how the neomorphs reacted when they were small). The most rational thing for a scientist is probably to come up with a decision fast and then hope for the best (in retrospect she made the wrong decision and assembled David)?

I have checked that site out, and the source they claim is The Crossing however the Crossing does not give any dates at all,  only about 2093 and the Prometheus mission.

So the January 1st 2094 has to be a rather large assumption, i will need someone who has read the Alien Covenant Origin Novel to confirm any dates as i have not read or have this book.

The only thing we have really is that the ending of Prometheus we have Dr Shaw heading off with David in Two Pieces on the ATV Buggy heading towards another Temple Complex for another Juggernaught where she relays a SOS to Warn People that only Death is there now... the date of the recording is January 1st 2094, but we dont know if this recording was taken prior to the Buggy Scene, or after or during.

The next Clues we have is the Arrival of the Covenant Ship... which indicate 5th December 2104 as when the Covenant Crew are awoken due to the Neutrino Blast.

I have not read the Origins Book... i will have to dig it up, unless someone can confirm information....  So all i had to go on was that in relation to the OT is that there simply is NO Dates of when the Juggernaught Arrived at Planet 4, as far as i am aware.

Regarding Dr Shaw, and the wait... you would indeed assume she would want to get the HELL away as fast as she can, and not risk going back to the Lifeboat.

It appears a big question for Dr Shaw is TRUST regarding David, she knows she would be taking a HUGE risk in putting him back together...  Ridley Scott even mentions this when disusing potential Prometheus sequel...   He further explains that David can be very confining and that Dr Shaw SLOWLY puts him back together.

The Prologue The Crossing shows us that David started to grow fond of Dr Shaw, something he confirms to Walter in Alien  Covenant but he could be lying.... but lets look at the Dates.. the events of Prometheus ended with the date of December 26th, December 27th  2093 Maximum as far as when Dr Shaw recovers Davids Body...

Yet the SOS message was sent January 1st 2094 and so this was sent 5-6 days after she recovered Davids Body, we have to ask what was she doing for 4-6 days, how did she manage to send a SOS?  The Prometheus is destroyed....  was it via the Juggernaught they found either on the 1st of January or after this date?   Communications Equipment in the wreckage of the Prometheus?  Or from the Life Boat... or the ATV Buggy had Communications it could send out the SOS?

I dont think it would take 5-6 days for Dr Shaw to get Davids Body on the ATV and head to a Juggernaut

The Crossing shows that Dr Shaw has some kind of Nutrition she has been taking, is this on the Engineers ship? if not then enough of this on the ATV?  Found in the wreckage of Prometheus? or from the Life Boat?

We also see Dr Shaw has managed to get some Tools to Repair David, a Bed, recovered a Photo of her and Holloway (shown in AC) did this come from the Wreckage? what are the chances of this?  or the Lifeboat?

We also see Dr Shaw plotting a Course using a what appears to be a Physical Star Chart, surely David could Navigate using the Juggernaughts Controls/Navigation System... This Chart seems odd for Engineer Technology, and so if its Human Star Chart then where would it come from?  

i think all of the above shows that Dr Shaw must have gone back to the Lifeboat to Salvage stuff, this explains the 5-6 Day delay.. a Question is what about the Deacon... but Dr Shaw is not aware of this and i am not sure David would be either, and so Dr Shaw just left a Engineer and Trilobite struggling.

Dr Shaws Hair has grown at least 4-6 inches (yep i measured the difference a few times before lol) that was being conservative, and a Woman would grow 4 inches in 4-6 Months it depends person to person..  if her hair had grown 6 inches then thats 6-9 Months... i will have to double check again... work out the hair growth and average for growth again.

But when doing it when studying The Crossing viral when it came out, i came to conclude we are looking at 6 Months plus. But actually i think that Hair Growth means anything within the 5-12 Month Ball Park.....

Unless its a oversight...

Looking at it Logically.... Dr Shaw needs to Trust David, and David needs to gain her Trust, Dr Shaw would be wise to take her time and so its likely she spent 4-6 days recovering from the Prometheus Wreckage and Lifeboat all the Equipment she had in The Crossing maybe even finding communications there to send the SOS....   She likely then got David into some kind of Agreement to take the Ship to Out of Space... or left in Hanger.

Before Spending i would assume 6-9 months interacting with David before she felt confident to put him back together and in this time David had Fallen for her...

Hence why i feel that Dr Shaw and David had not Set Off (regarding her in Cryo-Sleep) towards Planet 4 until at least April 2094, maybe even as far as October 2094 (i think i need to redo a in depth analysis)

Ok having looked at that site, and taking what is put down as Factual.. as far as what i CANT disprove (due to not having the Origins Book)   It appears they give the Sabotage Date of the Covenant as December 01 2103

I have not read it so i cant say this is incorrect..

Looking at what they say next, indeed the Date of the Covenant Neutrino Burst Disaster is December 5th 2104 and Walter does say about 7 Re-Charges until Origae-6 which would take 7 years and 4 Months so Origae-6 Arrival Date is Estimated as Early April 2112.

Now 7 Recharges we cant be sure when they take place... the remaining Journey Time had the Re-Charge Been Successful would have been 88 Months,  Divided by 7 is 12.57 Months... but this does not mean that per charge.... as the last Charge could be months prior, what this shows is the Covenant has to Charge at least ONCE per Year.

If the Sabotage was December 2103 we have to assume (again i have not read the Origins Book)  that the Covenant Departs between December 2103 and End of January  2104 but i dont think we have any conclusive exact dates...

But the Ball Park for the Covenants Departure would have to be December 2103-March 2104 latest.

Looking at the sites analysis....  i think that January 2104 for the Covenants Departure Date seems a Fair and very Plausible Assessment,  taking the information given in the Origins Book, i would have concluded a likely Launch of December/January

I do like the sites assessments, i will have to look at other stuff so THANKS for the Share..

I still find no Proof for the Departure of the Juggernaught or Arrival to Planet 4, until further Proof or Study i would have to assume the Travel would have been WEEKS to up to 6 Months.

I would assume David placed Dr Shaw in Cryo-sleep April 2104-October 2104 and Arrived on Planet 4 between October 2104-April 2105

But alas this is only a Guess... i can only assume that a departure date of April 2104-October 2104 is likely

Clara has used large chunks of my timeline which she links to at the top of her page.  She's also made some estimates of her own with things like Advent (which from memory is not dated).  Other dates she has referenced regarding Covenant refer to an earlier version of my timeline which had since been updated.

Indeed had a quick look, and some is sourced from what we know about movies, some from DVD Extras...  some from other material such as the Weyland-Yutani Report.

Which i can safely assume SM you had to collaborate with FOX regarding extra things added to that...

I think its tricky to get a TRUE timeline with all the changes that keep happening, and the case of whats Canon/Not Canon as far as some expanded universe books and games..

The Weyland Industries Website offered some good back ground, as well as some extras for Prometheus... but it kind of appears that with Alien Covenant they have been Re-writing a bit of History.

Hopefully with the supposed ALIEN Rulebook as  a refference for the Franchise, we can see down the line another Book like the Yutani Report... one that once the Prequels are done i am sure we can finally get a comprehensive versions.. not saying yours is bad...  but only so much that can be done while FOX working on extra material that would be released after the Yutani Report went into Production.

I would love to see some books down the line where we get Schematics to various Ships too...

Regarding the Events in Question, having not read the Origins book and so not knowing what date that was set in, did mean i could not conclude the events of the Covenant... i felt a while back and prior to that book, that the Covenant had to at least have set off from Earth for about a year... and no way longer than 5 years due to the Merger...  I estimated prior to the book the Covenant would likely had set off 1-3 years prior.

But taking the information about the Missions Final Preparations in December 2103, and other clues in AC as Clara had done, then i cant argue against the estimates as far as Re-Charge Cycles... which would mean a 11-12 Month Ball Park and thus a December 2103-January 2104 departure date.

I cant find any proof for the date of the Juggernauts arrival on Planet 4 however... or departure from the LV-223 System, David claims he has been there for 10 years...  which would indicate since around December 2094 but then when someone says 10 years it really could be within the Ball Park of +/- a few months too.

Evidence only suggests Dr Shaw made the Transmission on January 1st 2094....  the movie is a bit ambiguous but if we assume that events are chronological i.e David and Shaw set off in the Juggernaught prior to the Deacon, and Dr Shaws SOS was made during her Final Trip to the Engineer Ship.

Then this means the Deacon had a 5-6 day Gestation at very least...  which gives Dr Shaw plenty of time to gather supplies...  She does not know what the Deacon or Trilobite are... all she witnessed was a Giant Tentacled Beast Grab the Engineer. If she had gone to investigate she may have spotted what looked like a Dead Engineer and Dead Trilobite and so maybe felt a bit safer to quickly gather supplies.

A lot of Problems do arise from a lack of attention to things in these movies though...

But i still think its likely that David was not Re-built until at least 4-5 Months minimum maybe even 9-10 months after the events of Prometheus.

Having Studied Dr Shaws Hair from Prometheus and the Crossing, it appears (hard to gauge 100% due to her hair not being straight) that her Hair is 4-6" Longer towards the front as far as be the sides of her head (not Fringe) and 6-8" at the back of her head.

I looked at Photos of her from Summer 2016 and movies she had shot around the time prior to AC finished shooting and next project after.    And compared to shots of her in 2011 at time of Prometheus.

And her Hair Difference is between 6-8"

I we assume her Hair Growth to be a conservative 6"  and the Average Growth of a Female Caucasian is 5-7" per year.

So i think we can assume for Noomi Rappace to grow her Hair Naturally from the Length in Prometheus to the Crossing, it would be about a year.

This can not be used as any FACT to how long Dr Shaw had remained out of Cry-sleep before she put David back together, but only if we assume this is not a Oversight... then Dr Shaw's Hair Growth would be about a year give or take.

I think this fits with Ridley Scotts comments of she will slowly put him back together, and his warnings and caution about how Dr Shaw would have to be very careful because once his head goes on he is Dangerous... but he is Persuasive.

I find it Plausible that they spent many many months, before Dr Shaw had built the trust to a point where she felt SAFE to put David back together and for her to enter Cryo-sleep.

But alas it could be a oversight.... Rappace was maybe Cast for the Crossing between working on TWO Projects or During, where she had to have the longer hair she had.

But as is the case... any potential clue, can be used to make a debate... and i do think it logically makes sense that Dr Shaw took her time to rebuild David for good reason...

This also ties up any queries about what David did in that time and how long it took, because if think its more Logical if Dr Shaw finally went into Cryo-sleep and David to then spend up to 2 months to get to Planet 4, rather than assume it would take the Juggernaught 10-12 months.

At this point i would assume maybe indeed Dr Shaw had spend a long time before she puts David together and so David departed for Planet 4 i would say 2-4 weeks... prior to the Bombardment.  But again this is just a assumption taking into account Hair Growth that would take a conservative estimate of 10-12 months.

When looking at the Time-Line to when the Covenant will arrive (should) at Origae-6 then it should get there around April 2112 leaving us 10 years off the events of ALIEN

I will assume the Covenant is much further than LV-426, we cant say how much because we dont have the Distance of Origae-6 only that its Total Journey would appear to be in the 8-8.5 year mark

We simply cant tell how far it is though.... if we assume the journey would have been 8 years 4 months then at the Speed of the Prometheus this would make Origae-6 in the 160-170 Light Year Ball Park and thus over 4X further than LV-223/426.  

If we consider the Covenant is as fast as the Nostromo then we are looking at a 390 Light Year Ball Park and thus 10X Further than LV-223/426.... HOWEVER we dont know how fast the Covenant is, it appears its Newer Tech than the Nostromo but thats prior to the Nostromo Improvements...  I think we can only assume the Covenant maybe at least as fast as the Prometheus, and maybe it could be as fast as the Refitted Nostromo or more likely some speed between and so a 20-50 Light Year per Year Speeds...  but this is only a ASSUMPTION  which maybe could lead us to Estimate that Origae-6 has to be 4-10X further than LV-223/426

I am not sure David would take the Covenant to Origae-6 and then to LV-223, i think its likely the direction is David arrives on Origae-6 in 2112.... likely help to set up the Colony.

I think a Engineer Ship that arrives to Planet 4, will then be on a course to Origae-6 but due to speeds of the Juggernaught i would assume that David would at least be on Origae-6 before any Engineers return to Planet 4.

I think its likely a Engineer Ship that arrives at Origae-6 after 2112 will set up part of the events that lead to this ship ending up in the LV-223/426 system at some point latter.

The Company will receive Davids Message i believe about 1.5 years after it was sent.   We dont know how fast and what urgency a Weyland Yutani Ship would then be off to Origae-6 and we dont know how fast those ships are... but we can ASSUME they will not arrive until David has been there for some time.

BigDave

So if Shaw waited at least a few month to fix the Psycho, wouldn't that infirm the theory that she was still infected (after removing the sperm monster)? And where the hell is the synth's power supply? I could understand that it has in the head some emergency batteries in his head, but how long can they last.

Furthermore, if David remained alone on Engineer Ship a few month why did he complain the he would be alone again (as he was alone more than 2 years before Prometheus)? And what in the hell did Shaw do for those months awake? She wanted to ask questions but why didn't she study the ship's archive?

But what do I know, I am just ignorant...

"Which i can safely assume SM you had to collaborate with FOX regarding extra things added to that..."

Not as such. I add the extra dates and explain the reasoning behind them. Fox is generally okay with that reasoning if they need to reference dates.

"But what do I know, I am just ignorant..."

Ha ha  ;)

But very good Questions indeed, i think a lot of problems regarding the Franchise, are a lot of inconsistencies, a trend to not pay attention to details and what happened in prior movies... Aliens got it kind of right...

But every little error, every oversight does offer for debates which Aliens continuation from Alien does not too much, but Alien 3 and the Eggs does ;)

A lot of times its down to simply not paying attention to details, one example is "where did Shaw get the Photo of her and Holloway from, that Daniels discovered?" was it by pure luck in the wreckage?  if not then why would it have ended up in Vickers Lifeboat..

So its little things like this, that have no explanations that we can just try our best to find some.

"wouldn't that infirm the theory that she was still infected"

Its something debated for sure, something we dont have no evidence really of if she was or was not suffering from some kind of infection.  some point out to her not looking too well in The Crossing which indeed could be down to her being ill, she looked it but then if it was the Black Goo, we have to really ask what kind of infection has she got, would it not act fast or does she only have minor residue left?   The other way to look at it would be having to Survive for Months on Rations of Food/Drink or even having to make do with Nutrition that simply was not good enough.

"I could understand that it has in the head some emergency batteries in his head, but how long can they last"

Maybe he uses the UK Brand Duracell lol  but seriously the Power Source is a good Question, he would have to have TWO Power Sources because being in TWO Halves had no effect as both his Body and Head were still moving... but maybe the body would eventually had ran out of power if it was sourced from the Head.  i am sure the Weyland Industries Website had information on the Technology in David and mentioned Power Source but as of Alien Covenant this site re-directs to Alien Universe site now, with no such information.

We do have to wonder how was David Charged up and Powered, and what Technology is needed to Re-charge him if needed?  This is just a Oversight, because we can see David has survived on Planet 4 for 10 years too..   He also was consuming that White Fluid in Prometheus, and we have to ask, what purpose was this for and how would he have access to any after Prometheus.  So indeed he has had no Maintenance in over 10 years.  With no explanations to how this effects him, it simply is a oversight.  (a question we should not be asking or deemed one that does not matter).

"why did he complain the he would be alone again"

I think it depends how we look at this statement, being alone again could be something you could say for even a short period, so its like your partner works 4 days away then is home for 4 days, and when they leave you could be saying "you are alone again" and so with David he spent some of his time alone studying the Engineers Ways.

"She wanted to ask questions but why didn't she study the ship's archive?"

Excellent point, i think we maybe need to look at the whole Crossing from the Point of Dr Shaw and David... they would be playing a Game of Cat and Mouse, a Game of Chess...

David would have his Agenda, he surely would not be pleased at remaining as a corpse with a separate head, because we find out David  actually is  quite a sentient being, more than a Machine.  And so he knows without Dr Shaws Help, he will remain in TWO pieces, and so he has to play a good game to make sure he can persuade Dr Shaw to put him together but also to make her realize or even mislead her that in order for her to get her Answers, and arrive at Paradise she would need David all the way.

Dr Shaw however is not fully aware of how Sentient David is, she would indeed however have seen what he was like in Prometheus and would have concerns about him and trusting him,  but she realizes she needs David to get off that Rock and take her to meet her Makers....     Its a case of really how much is David needed? I am sure David holds all the cards in this case and his objective would be to lure Dr Shaw to realize he is needed.   David would not reveal to Dr Shaw anything about the Engineers if he could find out from the computer, i think he would be playing to mislead her, because if She could get her Answers from the Ship, then she would not need David so much.

Shaw would know once David is put together he could be a massive threat, and once she is in Cryo-sleep he could go where ever he wanted to go...   Shaw is powerless but to eventually either Trust David, or Stay stranded on LV-223.

i think its likely David played this game with her, persuaded her to have trust in him.... but i think during this process he actually became quite fond of her...  But Ultimately he would have his own Agenda more over hers.

David would have known a bit about the Engineers already, he would know they maybe would not see the arrival of a Human and a Sub-Created Android as something to welcome with open arms.

Davids interest would be Survival, and also making sure that Dr Shaw survives,  he would not maybe risk meeting these Engineers on the chance they would welcome them...  for Dr Shaw she would be prepared for that risk, if its the only slim chance of Answers, she has NOTHING else.

so for David he would want to Study More about the Engineers so he can gauge what is the likely outcome of meeting them, which seems that David concluded he would be better off to Destroy them, knowing that in the aftermath he could venture down through their City, take a look at any of their Technology, Writtings and any other information he could gain from the Ruins of their Society and maybe piece together some Answers for Dr Shaw, or at least something he could propose as answers and you could maybe be sure he would have told her he had no choice to bombard the Engineers, or it was a accident etc.

But again this is really just how i see things, and so its not to say this is what went down...   I think its something open to debate, where each can take what they can from any clues, because the only real information we have is that David had been there for about 10 years so thats 9.5-10.5 Ball Park (providing he has not lied to the Covenant Crew) and we know the Earliest the Juggernaught would have set off would be Jan 1st 2094 and so that means we have a 10-11 year period of time prior to the Covenant arrival, from when David and Shaw reached Planet 4.

Its case of the 0-1.5 years year approx from Jan 1st 2094 to when they arrived at Planet 4 and how much of this time was spent Traveling, how long was spent for her to Put David Together and Dr Shaw go into Cryo-sleep and a IF David then directly headed to Planet 4.

I think the BIGGEST Question would have to be "what would David logically do" once Dr Shaw was in Cryo-sleep he could go any place, and could have gone any place....

Where did he learn the Engineers Ways?  From the Juggernaught?, did he already know enough from LV-223 or could he had gone back down to LV-223?

BigDave

But the ship lift of on January the 1st 2094, with David still being just a head. For me this clearly indicates that Shaw was already knowledgeable about Engineer tech by the time of the Crossing, where she is show operating a console of sorts if I remember correctly...

You could say however that images where David's lies, but that for me is not working.

Inconsistencies made br2049 much less enjoying for me than for others.

Ignoring strict adherence to timelines keeps the franchise enjoyable to me. Too many cooks over the decades. I can appreciate those who focus on those issues though.

"You could say however that images where David's lies, but that for me is not working."

I would like to think and hope The Crossing is Canon and so indeed at some point Dr Shaw has some idea how to control the Juggernaught, which i think we can assume David had taught her.

Its a good point you make, because if we look at the Crossing then it offers us TWO Outcomes.

1) Only a Complete David can operate the Juggernaught (or at least he misleads Dr Shaw to think) and thus Dr Shaw repaired him prior to leaving LV-223.... which then its if we consider the Hair Growth to show they was stuck on LV-223 for a while.

2) David was able to show/help Dr Shaw in Two parts to be able to get the Ship off LV-223, but then we have to ask why would Dr Shaw need to repair him if a David in TWO pieces can operate the Ship.

why i think a lot of Cat and Mouse and Compromise had to be reached, but i feel  David was playing Dr Shaw and he misleads her to think she needs him more than she maybe did.

BigDave

Isn't funny how this movie generates more talk about a killed-off character than the living ones? Is that even a good thing?

Certainly is ;)

I think a lot of fans relate to Dr Shaw as far as a keen interest and what she would discover, and even though in Alien Covenant we see her just as a Corpse,  i think the whole mystery to what happened to her, and what happened on Planet 4 between her and David as far as how long was she alive before she became a experiment of Davids.

its the same with the Engineers, fans was looking to discover more about them, but in AC we hardly get much about them and so fans still talk about their race, ponder what happened to all those Engineers,  and why they appeared different.

Sadly AC had Characters that people just did not seem to be interested in talking about, only really David and Walter stick out....  I guess Daniels is the subject of some debate but these only seem to be regarding what happens to her now and how does she fit in with Davids plans... does she become the Queen he is after etc...

Going back to the OT...

I think we can conclude the Juggernaughts must travel much faster than Human Ships, i would even expect a Juggernaught to reach LV-426 from Earth even faster than the Sulaco.

I think if we take the events of Prometheus as Chronological so the Deacon Chest Bursts after Dr Shaw leaves that SOS warning about only DEATH is there now...   then that gives us at least a 5 day Window, between when Dr Shaw escaped the Lifeboat after the Engineer was attacked by the Trilobite, to when she at least made her Final Trip to the other Juggernaught.

Entering the Lifeboat between the Deacon Gestation time, Dr Shaw would see what appears to be a Dead/Incapacitated Engineer and Dead/Incapacitated Trilobite and this could give her enough time to make a dash to get supplies we saw her with in The Crossing, as well as some of the items David had in Alien Covenant.

We know that David had been on Planet 4 for about 10 years, and the Covenant Arrives about 10 years, 11 Months after Dr Shaw makes the SOS Warning in Prometheus....  but as far as how long it took her to put David back together, and Ultimately how long it took to get from LV-223 to Planet 4 is something for debate.

I think we can conclude that Planet 4 is along (or close proximity) to the Path the Covenant was taking towards Origae-6  indeed it appears the Covenant had  traveled about 10% of its Total Journey give or take...  and from being 10% into its journey it took a detour off this Path equal to about 1.6% of its Journey time so indeed Planet 4 is in the direction towards Origae-6

We currently as of Alien Covenant, are over 17 years off the events of ALIEN, with the Covenant Estimated to arrive at Origae-6 (provided it heads directly to Origae-6)  in about April 2112 which leaves us about 10 years off the events of ALIEN.

We have to assume David takes the Ship to Origae-6 and then as far as what transpires during the 7 years 4 months journey, and more so in the first few years after arriving at Origae-6 is anyone's guess.

I think we have to assume RS had planned TWO movies to cover more than likely the events of 2112-2122, i would say it appears if we are going the route that Davids Creations are what eventually end up on the Derelict... then this ship looks like it has not crash landed there for a short period of time, so we SURELY cant have it that the Derelict Crashed Months prior to the Nostromo Arriving?

But going this route means the Derelict cant had been there for more than 10 years, we could maybe assume the Derelict may have been there for say 4-5 years at very least..  But we really dont know for sure yet....   I doubt we will see David arrive at Origae-6 and then in the course of a few months or a year we end up with the Derelict.

I would also assume the returning Engineers will be where the Derelict comes from, and that its likely these Engineers Return to Planet 4 long after David has left and i would safely assume even after David arrives at Origae-6