Limits of gore

I certainly agree there....   Character use was better too as we have not seen Characters Utilized as good since Alien 3 too, so maybe they go hand in hand.

I totally agree that CONTEXT is everything. I would also suggest that gore can be limited by CREDIBILITY. When RS made Alien, one of the biggest factors in creating a success was getting the audience to believe in the xenomorph. There had to be a level of credibility that meant that the monster was much more than just a guy in a rubber suit. I think where there are scenes of gore, the same rule applies. What is seen must be believable; otherwise what is left can be comedic. There are of course movies such as Peter Jackson’s Bad Taste where a comedic effect is desirable and achieved through gore overkill. There are lost of gore scenes I can easily watch, but watching an alien puke up and then having his mates drink the fetid up-chuck does make my stomach crawl. TY Peter Jackson for sharing that idea, and that really is down to context.

Bad Taste vomit scene

Batchpool Oh man that was disgusting and I couldn't watch the whole thing! Sound played a big part too. I cannot think of the term, but it is sort of a sympathetic response? Sort of like when someone yawns it makes you want to yawn or laughter. 

Kudos- I have not been grossed out like that in a while and I work with the real deal. 

Damn that was gross!

Yeah that was pretty gross. Definitely the enhanced sound of vomiting and the steam coming from it did it. The descriptions in the background of organs parts etc just helped keep the context. 

Oddly though Im not sure why the vomit was blue/green, but that actually lessened the impact somewhat

Bad Taste.... oh boy...

I have to admit i always have a soft spot for Peter Jacksons old Comedy Adult movies, Bad Taste, Braindead and Meet the Feebles.

DK

There is a difference between if it is real or if it is in a movie. When it is really it is closer to you so then I get feel sick from seeing that since it is real and could happen.

It gets repetitive if it is over-used that is why they got to use it sparingly.

Big Dave

Yeah gore alone will not make it, you got to care about the characters that the bad things happen to. This is what they failed with in AC because we knew almost nothing about the characters so they got to make that part better.

Thoughts_Dreams I was looking for photos for another topic and found this one along the way (though I dont know where it originally came from).

We didn't get much chance to care for many of the characters in AC but this one makes you feel sad for Ricks & Upworth. Poor bastards had no idea what was on the ship with them

IRaptus

I didn't like Upworth as a character.  Ricks was okay, yet I barely saw him on the screen.

I'm not saying they deserve to die, but I really don't agree with how they acted on the Covenant throughout the movie.  My complaint is really aimed at Upworth.  I'm not saying they were written badly.  I just didn't like the characters and I'm not complaining that they are dead.

I mean, they loose almost all of the crew and they go into the shower to get it on.  Disgusting... I don't see how death of friends leads to horniness?  I can come up with possible answers on why. Sure.  We all can.  Still, I don't think they were good people.

That shower scene shouldn't have been in the movie.  Like I said above though, I disliked Upworth throughout the movie.  She just seemed... ionno... kind of immature? self-important? unsympathetic? unempathetic? ionno...

I just didn't like how she said the things she said.  I'll be watching Alien: Covenant again in the coming weeks, so maybe my opinion on the character will change.  It's happened before in other movies that I watched again, so who knows?

I Moon Girl I thought the shower scene was out of place too for similar reasons. It wasn't a bad scene for what it is though.

I think the Scene belonged, but not in the way that it did due to the circumstances so i totally agree IMoon Girl

In hindsight.....  here is what should have been done...

The movie needed a Extra 30 min.....

We needed the Oram Face Hugger Scene, and then we needed to see Lope/Cole go in search of Oram, at a different point but encounter a loose Face Hugger that gets to Lope but is freed up, as per movie and they blast the Thing and we see Acid Spray...

They should not have maybe discovered the Egg Room (Cole) what we needed then to see is the OTHER Neomorph (i know it appeared to had been hit/killed) but have this Neomorph turn up and chase the crew from the Cathedral,  just before this though we need the David vs Walter Scene, and then show us Walter carrying Orams body,  and Cole/Lope helping....

They get to the lander, and either the Neomorph catches up but then i guess it needed to kill Cole to keep it busy, or have Cole and Lope encounter a Face Hugger and deal with it, then come across Oram and Walter (David) then have the Neomorph attack the Lander.

Basically REPLACE Xenomorph with NEOMORPH..

This then allows for Walter, Daniels, Lope and maybe Cole (depend if he gets killed by Neomorph earlier or during the escape)...  But this allows for the Crew to make it to the COVENANT with Oram unconscious

Have Walter suggest he suffered a head injury when trying to escape a Face Hugger, he could say that he was with Oram and never witnessed no infection and that if Oram was infected like Ledrood and Hallet we would known about it... 

So Walter then places Oram in Quarantine and Preps him for Cyro-sleep in the Med Lab...

The Crew then spend 12 hours or so, settling down after the events of Covenant,  before we then allow for Oram to be Chest Busted on the Ship,   then unknown to the Crew a Xenomorph is on the loose...

This would give more time and meaning to the Shower Attack, and also allow more time for Cat/Mouse with the Xenomorph and show Lope being another Xenomorph Victim.....

ONE Xenomorph that only arrives on the Covenant, would have made the Xenomorph scenes less rushed and not against established LAW (Gestation/Growth)

Iraptus

Yeah but the problem is that we never get to know anything about them so when it turns into shit it is difficult to feel much for them. We got zero information about why they were there, what their dreams were and so on. To me they were just faces in a crowd but that is how most of the characters were. I got to say that the scene was sort of nasty but then it was nothing new since we have seen a variation of that in Psycho. Maybe I am boring but I wish that they would have figured out a more interesting way for them to die. The problem is that we have seen a lot in horror movies so it is difficult to do something new. By the way, the best death scene this far is Lambert and Parker in Alien because we did not see that much of their death so we had to use our imagination. Alien Covenant in its favor has not got any annoying characters (compared to Prometheus) but they are not very well built up.

By the way I had to google who Cole was. That character must have not made any impression on me what so ever but unfortunately that goes for many in AC. There are many characters there that I simply do not remember the names of because they failed to make any impression on me. Compare this to the first three movies where I remember a lot of the names. Unfortunately this is a sign of the failure of Alien Covenant because if they would have persons that made an impression on me then it would have been easier for me to remember their names. Unless they are main characters I tend to forget the names of them in AC, that is just the way that it is.

This reply is probably a bit late but whatever.

Certainly good points, as i mentioned in other threads, if the Characters dont connect with us, or get us to feel for them, then there is no Horror in their deaths no matter how Gory it is.

A Prime Example would be......    Imagine ALIEN 3....

Ripley gets Clemens to Examine Newt (as per movie) now she is Dead, this may be sad for some viewers.... but then IMAGINE if she had a BACK-BURSTER Scene like what happened to Ledwood in AC....   imagine how shocking this would have been especially at the time Alien 3 came out and if the EFFECTS where very good.

Even though Poor NEWT was already Dead, a scene like this would surely have a great effect on the audience.  Because of how we felt about her Character in Aliens, and also pushing boundaries with a  brutal death to a Child on Screen.

This would HIT Home with the SHOCK Value... as well as Feeling for the Character.