What we know about Engineers so far

What if the engineers from LV223 were the gardeners of space, the ones that cleanse and seed new life on different planets, the engineers from Paradise being only the DNA source, the sacrificial engineers. 

This would explain why they welcomed the arrival of the Juggernaut returning, in their opinion, for the next chosen one.

Or the engineers from LV223 were just replicants in charge with seeding and cleansing worlds, LV223 the factory and storage place for the pathogen/mutagen and the outpost for the 'gardening' missions.

"This would explain why they welcomed the arrival of the Juggernaut returning, in their opinion, for the next chosen one"

This is the conclusion i am most drawn to, as far as to explain Planet 4 and how these beings are presented and have little concern over the incoming Juggernaught... i am drawn to maybe the JUGGERNAUTS and URNS being a Evolution of the Seeding/Sacrificial Method of seeding Life.

This is described better in the Post and ones near it that i made where i have posted the Image of the Sacrificial Engineer Scene and the Hanger.

The LV-223 Engineers as Replicants is interesting... as thats how i am kind of drawn to these also..

*Where these Guys Created for a Specific Reason? By and with the knowledge of those on Planet 4?

*Did the Planet 4 Engineers see these other Engineers in Prometheus as being more Perfect and Chosen their DNA to Seed Worlds instead of their own?

*Did those Prometheus Engineers Evolve themselves and then decided to Seed their DNA on Earth and other Worlds and so THIS was not intended by those on Planet 4?

All interesting Questions to Ponder...

Maybe we could consider them in context to the Movie THX 1138

As far as some Purpose where in this context the Robbed Monks are the Elder Engineers, and where the Android Police are the LV-223 Engineers?

I don’t think that the Engineers are done, they are still important in a way and I hope that we will see more of them in the next movie if there is one. Hopefully they will have a part in the Derelict thing and not David, so hopefully they will be used for that purpose. They should have had more of a role in AC but unfortunately it was reduced to story about a mad android, something that I can not relate to. By the way, I wonder what the differences between the sacrificial Engineer in Prometheus and those in AC are? I guess that it could be that they have different tasks but I would like for them to expand on that a bit in the next movie if there is one.

There was a cut scene in P when the Elders gave the sacrificial Engineer some thing before he dissolved into the water. I wish that they could have kept that scene because that would not have revealed too much about their culture but rather have made the viewers interested if it would have been done right. Sure they could have had a reason for cutting it but I would have preferred if it would have stayed in the movie.

As far as some twists are concerned as BioDegradable puts it, I hope that we will see some interesting things that are unexpected but that are good (not of the quality of David creating the Xenon, ugh!) but we will see if that happens. Yeah it sucks that it is all about David now.

Give David a lesser role/less screen time in the next movie if there is one and focus on the Engineers and the humans with well done human characters. I don't really care about the David story that much, that is one of the things that brought AC down. The themes mean nothing if the characters and the story don't work. Right now there is no one to support so that has got to change and I do not mean that they should give David a change of thoughts but that they should introduce sympathetic and interesting humans in the next movie. Maybe someone will say that it is too late because the prequel trilogy is on its last chapter but I say that they should try to make an end to it that hopefully will make up for Prometheus and Alien Covenant because the result that we have after P and AC is not very impressive to say the least.

It is too bad that we got what we got, I would prefer an interesting movie about the Engineers than a poorly done movie about the Xeno but then you can also say that AC wasn’t about the Xeno as much as it was about an android that had gone bonkers.

Gavin:

“We hoped for Giger meets Lovecraft meets Dante meets Milton.”

Do you mean about the aesthetics (landscapes and that)? That didn't disappoint me, I think that they made that interesting both in Prometheus and Covenant although Prometheus looked better in that way.

As far as David is concerned I think that Scott should make a movie that is just about David. Unfortunately the story about David is connected to the prequels and because of that the Alien story in general. I would not watch a movie about him since I just don’t care that much about the character. Let Scott make a movie about David or something similar but do not have it connected to Alien because that would probably just give us another mediocre movie connected to the franchise. The whole situation about the franchise is just so disappointing.

Didn’t Scott say that it should be the story about the Xeno? It is not even about that at this point. The whole thing is about a mad robot that wants to create for what ever reason. Unfortunately he just cares about David and everything else has got to take a back-seat because of that which lowers the quality of it. Right now we have two prequels and neither of them is very good. Hopefully they can get it right with a third prequel if there will be one but I doubt it. I would honestly prefer if they did not do prequel number three if we would get a disappointing one, I would rather get nothing than to get some crap.

Big Dave:

“We also have to Ponder the Questions of WHY Create and WHAT is a Soul and where to do we go when we DIE...”

Interesting but leave that to another franchise, I would like to get some more information on the Engineers and why they created the Xeno but I guess that a movie about what you mention would be too much to answer especially if we will just get one more prequel, if that. To me that sounds more like a fantasy movie like a crazier version of The Hobbit or what ever.

Paradise could be like the home world of the Hobbits and so on. The heaven could be like that one even though it is not very much like the Alien franchise but that is my point that the franchise is not very much about that at least if we follow what was established in the first three movies. It wasn’t until Prometheus that we got these questions and it feels like Scott is more interested in that than to deal with the monster. He could make another non-alien movie about that, it would maybe make some people interested. Maybe I would watch it but if should be a movie of its own.

“These are things RS had teased with, but things that are certainly not touched upon in ALIEN COVENANT and we have to ask are these things that would have been covered in the Plans they had in 2012?”

Maybe he changed his mind and got more interested in the story of David than a movie about those kind of things. He seems to change his mind a lot, maybe that makes it difficult to make a good story to begin with since things change now and then.

Yup, I think that the idea is interesting but there is so much that you could do with these things so you would eventually make some fans disappointed no matter what you do, like with the alien prequels really. The higher you aim the more likely it is that you will fail.

Perhaps it would have been better if Prometheus would have been a stand alone movie? This would have required better characters and maybe a somewhat different story but when you look at it the movie had potential but got somewhat screwed up along the way but I still can watch it from time to time. Even since the start that was a really mixed bag for me, it is not bad but it is not very good either and there are parts of it that I really dislike but is a two out of five for me, so that is pretty much unchanged.

As far as the Engineers in Prometheus versus those on Planet 4 the Prometheus ones looked a lot more interesting. The AC ones looked like a bunch of farmers from way back. Replicants? Leave that to the Blade Runner thing and similar movies, keep it away from the alien franchise.

"It wasn’t until Prometheus that we got these questions and it feels like Scott is more interested in that than to deal with the monster."

The Original Idea was to give us Xenomorphs, but also different kinds and then hint to us that there are various related Organisms that are created via using a EVOLUTIONARY CREATION TOOL to experiment with some related Organism that is likely NOT a creation of the Space Jockey Race.

But once you have answered HOW/WHEN the Xenomorph was Discovered/Created and we have our Answers, and once we have a Spoon Fed Plot to show HOW/WHEN the Eggs got in the Derelict, then its a Question of WHATS NEXT?

Once we reveal the Xenomorph is a Engineered Weapon... HOW MANY more times can we introduce Eggs, Face Huggers, Chest Busters and Xenomorphs? 

So when working on a Prequel this was no doubt one of the MAIN things to look at... if the Xenomorph is a Engineered Weapon, then the BIGGER Question then is WHY as in who was this Weapon Intended for and for what Purpose (to Attack or Protection from WHO?)

Once you have answered that, its then how many more Done to Death Xenomorph movies can you push out!  Once you have answered the Xenomorph Origin and Purpose and who it was intended for its a case of WHATS NEXT?

Which then would likely be to EXPLORE the Space Jockey Race!

*Who are they?

*Where are the rest of them?

*What Purpose/Goal to they have?

These are what they can explore ONCE they have answered the connection with the Xenomorph, especially if it was a Engineered Bio-Weapon.   And this is where the ENGINEERS/GODS Plot came into play... Bold indeed... a error in Hindsight? Maybe...

"Perhaps it would have been better if Prometheus would have been a stand alone movie? "

They hoped it would Branch off to be its own thing, and steer away from LV-426, and Xenomorphs... but i guess the point you are making is that IF there was NO Weyland Company, IF those Engineers Suits/Ships DID-NOT look like the Space Jockey suits and Derelict.. and Finally if the Black Goo and Organisms DID-NOT look to close to the Xenomorph...   Then it could have been a interesting Stand Alone Franchise but once the Plot is Connected to the ALIEN Franchise it was bound to not set right with some Fans, and when it then NEVER provided enough Answers for them, it further disappointed those fans.

"Replicants? Leave that to the Blade Runner thing and similar movies, keep it away from the alien franchise."

By Replicants.... i mean that it appears that those Prometheus Engineers could be Genetically Upgraded Creations of those Planet 4 Engineers.  There is a connection, they are different but also similar.   So just as Humans are Similar to Engineers, just as Replicants are similar to Humans, and David is similar to Humans (only not Organic) This was the connection they are trying to make, in the pursuit of Creating in your OWN image.

So we may have though the Prometheus Engineers are the Gods/Creators... but the route they are taking now seems to imply they are just a Creation/Upgrade of those Planet 4 Engineers.

Ridley Scott Broadly is touching on the subject and chain of Creation/Creator and Rebellion by Creation and Hubris of creating something in your own image and then when this Creation becomes Sentient.  It also touches on the Pursuit of Creating Perfection and the Hubris this brings.

"Sure they could have had a reason for cutting it but I would have preferred if it would have stayed in the movie."

Ridley Scott had hinted WHY the Elders Scene was deleted, and in part it was because he Did-Not want to Give to Much away in the First Movie.  And also he Did-Not want to meet GOD in the First Movie.

This implies the Prometheus Engineers are not the GODS and indeed their is a Hierarchy above them, the Question is would this be their Creators? or is the Hierarchy more like Egyptians Pharaohs and Demi-Gods or is it more like some Ancient Cultures such as Native Indians in that the Elders are just the Old/Wise?

We really could not be sure... could it be that RS intended to show those above the Engineers in Prometheus would look more different, than just OLD, FRAIL versions of those Prometheus Engineers?

Another thing to consider is the passing of the Sacrificial Cup from these ELDERS to the Sacrificial Engineer, which we see the Elders are about the same Height as the Sacrificial Engineer.  

ORIGINALLY the Altar in Prometheus had the Sacrificial Cup and NOT a Green Crystal and this Sacrificial Cup was LARGER compared to Humans (Holloway) which if we ASSUMED it was the Same Cup than this would IMPLY the Sacrificial Engineer and Elders are LARGER than Humans and NOT as in 7-8ft Tall but as in 10ft Tall.

But we could all see the LV-223 Engineers were NOT 10ft Tall, and so that would be a Good Reason to Replace the Sacrificial Cup/Bowl.   By then removing the ELDERS it could imply our Sacrificial Engineer is about 7-8ft Tall... which LEAVES it open to have the Beings/Elders above those Engineers to be introduced as a TALLER 10ft+ Race

By showing the Elders Scene we would be shown maybe that the Sacrificial Engineer and Elders are about the same size as the LV-223 Engineers... Especially if the ALTER Sacrificial Cup/Bowl was kept in place.

But ALAS we was shown some differences with the Paradise Engineers, but they was about the same size maybe bit smaller than our Prometheus Engineers... the comments about the Engineers, seems to indicate those Prometheus Engineers are a Creation (in their image) or Upgrade to those Planet 4 Engineers.

HOWEVER...  we have still not seen the ELDERS it is indicated they are the Hall of Heads Engineers, and RS had confirmed these are the Origins of the Engineers Ways/Culture and the Hierarchy/Leaders but also suggesting they are SUPERIOR BEINGS lets us Ponder in relation to WHO?  Planet 4 Engineers, LV-223 Engineers, or Humans?

This means IF we explore who those Hall of Heads Engineers are they could be made to look like OLDER versions of the Planet 4 Engineers, or OLDER versions of the LV-223 (like Deleted Scene) or even have them as a TALLER Race.

"The Original Idea was to give us Xenomorphs, but also different kinds and then hint......."

My brother and all his friends assumed that Prometheus was about the Xenomorphs and it was their origin story. I Had to sit them down and explain the why/what/who.

To the casual viewer, it's was probably Ripley or the star beast. Space Jockey who?

After Prometheus and AC have been out for a long time now, I look at the Engineers in general as being wiped out by David.

I think RS had a idea to bring them back.... seems he was not pleased with the Direction of Alien Covenant, due to him mentioning that he felt he was (ahead of the curve) with Prometheus.

He has indicated the Engineers are NOT all gone, they do return to Planet 4 and certain Intervals and they will RETURN to discover what has happened to their Civilization on Planet 4 and WONT be pleased about it.

So he has indicated that the Engineers will be one of the 3/4 Incoming Parties to where ever David ends up with he Covenant Ship.  Is it interesting to Ponder HOW is it RS cant make his mind up that its 3/4 Parties?  Does this mean ONE Party is actually TWO Parties who differ somewhat, be that Agenda or Looks...

Could that mean we have Planet 4 Types and LV-223 Types? or only ONE type and if so which?

So i think they will come back, well they was planned to be, but its in what Context/Role i know RS was interesting in the Themes of Prometheus  and the Creation/Creator Rebellion and Sub-Creation Theme..  Which David/AI fits in and he is also very interesting in the David Angle in this Context.

The Question is he interesting in this angel in Context to our Engineers, and will we be seeing more Depth/Story regarding the Engineers... or is there RETURN only needed as a PLOT DEVICE to obtain our Space Jockey and his SHIP?

This is interesting to Ponder because the Plot for Prometheus gives more scope than to just having these Engineers visit Earth, Experiment on LV-223 and Originate from Planet 4.    

Where else have they seeded LIFE, how many more Intelligent Organisms have they Created/Manipulated and Evolved?   How many other Worlds have they Visited and still visit and how many Worlds have the Colonized?

Because Prometheus seemed to indicate this could be MANY especially for a Race that has been doing the whole Seeding/Evolving for Many Millions or Years.. and ESPECIALLY for a Race who have other GALAXIES in their Space SAT-NAV Systems.

So it would be interesting to see HOW much RS would be bringing our Engineers back... the whole he could do another 6 movies and the WAR OF THE WORLDS route he would take the Franchise if he was allowed...  Does kind of make us wonder HOW such a Plot could contradict the Alien Franchise?

It WOULD-NOT if the Space Jockey/Derelict Event was closer to the Time-Line of ALIEN (10 or less years prior) AND if they removed ALIENS onward from Canon..  Then a WAR OF THE WORLDS aftermath to Alien Covenant would NOT affect or cause any in-continuity problems with a ALIEN sequel/sequels.

I just dont think that would SIT well with many Fans, but then also going the War of the Worlds Route could conflict the Alien Franchise.

I think its something to consider about WHAT Engineers would RS had introduced us to, in any sequel to Alien Covenant.

Planet 4   or  LV-223 Types?

I think a lot of Fans were disapointed the Planet 4 Engineers just seemed to not look as Inspiring as the Prometheus ones, was this only in PART due to the Technological Level and thus a LACK of HR Giger Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic to their City and Clothing?

Or was it also the more Human looking appearance, due to lacking that more Synthetic, Marble like Skin Tone/Glossy look with cues of Purple Pigments, Dark Veins and Darker Sclera that the Prometheus Engineers had?

I know a number of Fans are Wondering what this difference is, was it intended?  Or just a Production Oversight?  Well when RS has mentioned the Planet 4 Engineers being the ORIGINALS  it leaves these other Engineers as being Genetically Evolved to some degree, and Engineered that way for a Purpose.  Is this a Natural Evolution that had occurred due to those other Engineers traversing the Galaxies, while the Planet 4 ones stay at home in the same Environment they have adapted to?  Or is there other Reasons those LV-223 and Prometheus Engineers could be different and Engineered?

So maybe due to the reaction Fans had to those Planet 4 Folk, maybe its the Prometheus types that would be re-introduced?

Or is there SCOPE to introduce us to another related Race, who are Taller, thus would make the Space Jockey Size Anomaly less of a Concern?

Well the earlier ideas and concepts was a 12-15ft Race of Engineers, but even 10ft would appear large on Screen.. also some of the Concepts looked a little less Human than even the Prometheus Engineers... some even MUCH less Human looking than our Engineers.

So its still very interesting to see what is revealed about our Engineers, and WHOM is at the Top of their Creation Hierarchy.

"I think a lot of Fans were disappointed the Planet 4 Engineers just seemed to not look as Inspiring as the Prometheus ones, was this only in PART due to the Technological Level and thus a LACK of HR Giger Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic to their City and Clothing?"

I think when scientifically speaking since planet 4 is a pretty much Earth-like planet, it makes sense why these Engineers look more like humans because they evolved on that planet. I understand a lot of people were expecting Gigeresque buildings but there were some disagreements between the studio and Giger's estate.

This also got me into thinking that the Engineers weren't only going around seeding planets with life, but maybe we're also trying to create other planets habitable like their own.

If you look at David's lab, a lot of preserved specimens and anatomical illustrations are pretty much Earth-like organisms.

Also, if they (The engineers) would have been over 10'+, they wouldn't look like a scaled up version of themselves, they would have a completely different biology, such as thicker, pillar-like legs so they wouldn't be crushed under the pressure.

Human bodies are specifically evolved for certain height limit. Our organs are best suited for average human height.

A lot of giant humans riddled with health issues and sadly died very young.

I'm not a GOT fan, but the giants from GOT are scientifically accurate.

Info credit: TREY the Explainer- Biology of giants.

I suggest watching the video.

Certainly and in HINDSIGHT those kinds of GOT Special Effects, and the LOTR/HOBBIT to could have been used to make 10ft Engineers...

Certainly was the concept for the Engineers... as far as being more Bulky, thats a Good Point but as a Sci-Fi many things dont have to be Scientifically Accurate.. so we could have had more Taller, yet Slender beings...

HOWEVER....

If we look at the SPACE JOCKEY and i mean even considering it a Space Suit...  It appears to be more Bulky in the Body and Shoulders, than the ones in Prometheus.. a Suit more suited to a more SQUARE like Shaped body just like the Giant in Game of Thrones ;)

When i look at the Space Jockey Proportions it reminds me more of the Morphed Image to the Right Below.

So a Shape that maybe fits your POINT you made DarkNebula ;)

Ive Revised the Proportions a little more...

And some of the earlier concept work for the Engineers showed a being that was broad at the shoulders and chest compared to the rest of the Body.

These concepts show a different Body Proportion than our Prometheus Engineers and Space Suits had, these had more Barrel Chested, Larger Shoulders, Longer Arms and Proportions a bit more similar to the Space Jockey.

So there is scope to reveal the Space Jockey as a related Race with different Body Proportions, or even also have them appear less Engineer looking like those Concepts above.

IMO,

The Planet 4 Engineers are humans that have been "genetically optimized" but intellectually stunted to remain at the level of which they were when they were taken from Earth, as in pre - 0 A.D.

The LV-223 Engineers are a chosen few of the above that are augmented to use the technology granted to them from "a higher power", namely the Juggernauts.

The Juggernauts are not Engineer tech, and I strongly believe they aren't Space Jockey tech either. IMO, the Engineers, once former humans echo the Space Jockeys - a community of natives taken from their home and granted sanctuary while being used by said " higher power" to terminate life on their former homeworlds (for Engineers this would be Earth), replacing it with that of the Xenomorph.

You raise a GOOD point Gavin...

Wayne Haag had mentioned that he felt the Technology was not the Engineers, so he was alluding to it being borrowed or stolen..  so we have to Ponder WHAT he meant by those remarks he made in a Interview....  Certainly you have to think the Juggernaught and Bio-Mechanical Aesthetics.... but could he also be thinking the Black-Goo too?

Was he referring to the Planet 4 Engineers? or implying ALL the Engineers as a Race who had not Created that Technology?  And we have to ask HOW did Wayne Haag come to such conclusions?  Was it his own personnel interpretation, or has he had some insight behind the scenes that gave him CLUES that showed him our Engineers are not where this Technology Originates from?

We have seen some theories and conclusions regarding this before Alien Covenant, a lot maybe stem from people who just cant accept or are not pleased with the Bio-Mechanical Tech and Space Jockey being merely the Technology of a Ancient Humanoid Race.   Some Fans are not pleased with WHO the Space Jockey had been hinted at, and while it still looks some kind of Space Suit... and NOT a Skeleton... i think many Fans would hope for it to be some LESS-HUMAN looking Species who are MUCH Taller than us.

This leaves Potential for us to Explore another Race.

But thats not to say this will be the case, or indeed that Wayne Haag's interpretation is VERY wrong.  We seem to be on course that David is the Creator of the Xenomorph or at very least its Progenitor and so the 1979 Xenomorph would not have Existed if it was not for the Prometheus Mission and David.

I think a lot comes down to the changes they have made from the Inception of ideas that lead to Jon Spaights works.  Before we had the Prequels, there was a Connection Aesthetically between the Derelict and the Xenomorph.

Maybe in HINDSIGHT they should have looked at HR Gigers Mural and Concept works for ALIEN and taken on-board his comments.

Especially the Alteration he made to his Original Mural that left us with this Final Product.

It seems to imply the SHIP shares a Genetic/Aesthetic with the Xenomorph, and the Ship seems to Supply something that Grows into Eggs, that we see a Space Suited ALIEN yet Humanoid Race appear to be Sacrificing their own to Procreate the Xenomorph.

This Mural was supposed to be positioned over the Bays that Hold the Eggs, numerous Bays, that had a Apparatus/Device on the Walls.. Which HR Giger had said was like Pregnant Bellies that would Produce the Eggs.

He also had said that he FELT the Derelict Ships were GROWN!

Could such things be explored to the Origins of the Technology?  And apply the Prometheus Themes by having it that the Engineers Ancestors where a Slave Race who had Broken Free and then used the Technology of their Captors/Creators?

Or have we gone down a PATH that would make going back to any kind of idea of what HR Gigers Mural was showing OBSOLETE?

Here's my attempt, hope you don't mind BigDave.

I always wondered by Godzilla has chubby legs, but then I found out why.

https://youtu.be/MnDsGd7c6Y4

"The Planet 4 Engineers are humans that have been "genetically optimized" but intellectually stunted to remain at the level of which they were when they were taken from Earth, as in pre - 0 A.D."

This is a observation that a number of people had made... it depends on Interpretation, a interesting NOTE is the Original Prometheus Plot that came from Alien Engineers, where a Race of Humanoids had Evolved themselves beyond Procreation... in this kind of Plot the Sacrificial Rituals could have been a way of OBTAINING a Humanoid Organism to Procreate with... ONCE they had obtained a Humanoid to allow for their Species to ONCE again Procreate (hence the Hybrid Human/Engineer appearance) then maybe MANKIND would No-Longer be required.

But RS has said those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals and so the Prometheus Ones are not (Sacrificial/LV-223) which seems to suggest those beings are Creations of the Planet 4 Engineers or by their own Creators, or are a Genetically Evolved Sub Species of the Engineers.

But as this is not shown On-Screen then those comments by RS can be removed as Canon...  I think we need to also Consider what is meant by PARADISE?

If we look at Paradise as in the Place where the Garden of Eden was located, and then ACCEPT that the Biblical Account was taken from a Actual Event in the Franchise, but that Paradise is not a Location on Earth but Planet 4, then in context to the Garden of Eden/Cradle of Creation... then that City on Planet 4 and HOW those Engineers are kept how they appear and their Culture/Civilization does fit with how Adam/Eve were intended to had Lived out their Lives before the FALL.

I am drawn to these beings being used and collected as Sacrificial Stock to perform the Seeding of Worlds and that the Breaking Down and Storing of the Seeding Mutagen into Urns as opposed to just allowing the Engineer to Fall into a Waterfall, is actually a Evolution of the Seeding Ritual.  But thats just what i am drawn too.

I guess WAYNE HAAG is a Brain we would like to PICK!

Not only for HOW/WHY he is drawn to conclude the Technology does not belong/originate with the Engineers... but also WHY did he produce this Early Concept work, which was based off Steve Messings similar Concept too.

When i look at these and remember the Sources information about Mankind playing a Bigger Role... then it does get me Pondering what may have been?

While none of this apart from the Cathedral Itself made it into ALIEN COVENANT i do wonder WHY it Originally had such Murals on the Outside..... could this had been a Enigma for AC just as the Frescos in Prometheus was for that movie?  But like those.. they may have no baring/connection to the END PRODUCT.

Dark Nebula that is awesome! Chubby legs are of putting to say the least!

"he was alluding to it being borrowed or stolen"

Yes. I'd love to see the planet of the bio-mecanoids!

A planet where a trillion Engineers perished in the battle....They say the corpses are 100 meters deep in spots.

Weapons were useless against the biomechs they had to use brute force...just like an ant colony....Billions of Engineers in giant swarms ..rolling waves of them pulling and subduing the biomechs......It was glorious! 

@Dark Nebula

I certainly think its possible... we DONT see the Space Jockey Legs...

Ive had a look at the Space Jockey and i have come up with what i feel is quite accurate to the Proportions... the Legs are a UNKNOWN maybe they could be more Bulky? But i also considered where would these Legs Fit in the Chair and taking into account SPACE for them to fit inside, so i am not sure the Legs would be much more Bulky.

This still doesn't look like a guy in a space suit to me. Maybe the engineers mimicked that shape with their suit, maybe that is a part of the engineers mythology, their Prometheus stealing the fire from the gods and failing to deliver, but I don't see the suit in that picture, no matter how hard I try. 

I know what Ridley Scott said and on this one he did not convince me. He didn't try very hard either.

I still believa the Space Jockey is a different,  possibly higher race to the engineers.