Time travel in AC2? No! Already in AC. Mad explanation.

I love things to do with time travel & time travel elements & don't have a problem with time travel being included within the Alien universe as its unaviodable to get around the subject without facing it.

Many frown about time travel being included in the Alien-verse but frown-or-not, it does exist, its a narrative concept that has to be recodnized that may have equal narrative implications for the characters We love.

Provided the internal logic for using time travel within the Alien-verse is solid & works, I'm all for it!

Well, when you think about it, what's the difference between Ripley being in cryosleep for 57 years set against travelling forward in time 57 years? It achieves the same end result & is really no less plausible as a plot device.

If the logic & context work within the story then it needn't be a problem!

YEP!!

I always wondered whether the Space Jockey in some-way-or-another is one of our beloved characters whether good-or-bad that some-how ends-up there as that "thing" sitting in that seat... & always wondered if time travel or time dilation in some way had a hand in that Ship/Juggernaught crashing/force- landing & becoming the Derilict that We all have become fascinated with.

(i.e.) It could have been a transformed David, or a true life form that is either: "fossilized" OR... OR "petrified" in it's place. I think of how stalectites & stalegmites create themselves with water droplets over time & would accept that in some way Ripley, David or a Life Form of unknown origin either crash landed thousands of Years ago or they went back in time to end-up being the one who actually crash-lands thousands of years ago... OR... We have yet to actually encounter the REAL Space Jockey race of aliens who wind-up crash-landing thousands of years ago do to the consequences of time travel. Would LOVE THAT!!! 

Nice idea HYPERNOVA!

Even when you consider how the Juggernaut travels in Covenant, it appears to jump through space, before decelerating over the Engineer city.

Could these ships have the capability to demateralize?

It's exciting to ponder, but I kinda hope it remains a mystery! 

It's GREAT Lone!!

& I do like a REAL-GOOD mystery too! Granted, you don't always need time travel to explain-away everything to get you out of a narrative corner you may write yourself into (and I mean "You" in the general use of the word regarding writers & creatives). I would be just as happy with the fact that it crash landed or was force-landed down onto LV-426 hundreds, if-not, thousands of years ago by conventional mechanical failiure means of explaining it, breakout of a facehugger attacking the pilot & unable to maintain control from being attacked by the thing in the first place. Or, was attacked 24-to-48 hours earlier & because their size is so gigantic, as compared to a Human, it took longer for the hatching-out symptoms to show up as opposed to how it showed up much quicker regarding Kane's symtoms from Alien as He, as a being, was much smaller in stature/size.      

Would like something to do with time travel to be introduced into the Alien-verse that hasen't been seen onscreen already, like discovering the Enginneers were themselves trying to tame/master time travel if They hadn't already otherwise how do they get around the local area of the universe without understanding & conquering at least the basic "rules" of time travel/dilation/relativity/FTL/quantum concepts/vacume energy/wormholes/inner-space vs outer space/time light curves, etc.

Yeah something totally unconventional!

Notice how futuristic (for want of a better word) weaponry or concepts have been avoided for the most part. I think Ridley is afraid they would appear too Trekkish. The Alien-verse tech has always been rooted in plausibility. When, with the right minds working on it there could be some mind bending tech. 

The Juggernaut had those pinky coloured blobs encased within the control console. Major Noob/Aorta speculated that they were some sort of brain!

Cool, weird, bio-organic powered tech, something that could best be described as totally Alien in nature, that you cannot wrap your head around, totally epic!

That's true about that pink blob! That's a really good idea that it could be interpreted as some kind of "brain" or brain extention of the actuall brain within the being sitting at the controls &, dare-I-say-it further to Your point: "Mind-Melding" with it!...

GREAT!

Yeah and where did it come from? I want to ask Ridley or someone in the know about that. It's freakishly awesome!

That's why I love Prometheus, to me it really appeared to be going somewhere totally off the wall. It had those psychedelic elements.

Knowing Ridley, those brains were probably inspired by Forbidden Planet or some such.

Apologies to Leto for going off topic, just can't help myself! :)

I'm going to research more on that Lone!

Cool, keep me updated! ;)

O.k!

Well, when you think about it, what's the difference between Ripley being in cryosleep for 57 years set against travelling forward in time 57 years?

This is the main thing. Time travel firstly - it's a path to the past. Path to the future can have any form. (Cryo)sleep, traditional time travel (like teleportation) and other. But I always thinks that (Cryo)sleep - it's not a time travel. A man, who go live in the forest in Age of horses and go back in Age of vehicles - time traveler? No. I think - Time Travel idea is that a man doesn't exist in this period.  As in Back to the future: Marty now → pew → teleportation → Marty in future. marty doesn't exist in teleportation period. But sleeping man exist.

Even when you consider how the Juggernaut travels in Covenant, it appears to jump through space, before decelerating over the Engineer city.

Could these ships have the capability to demateralize?

Yeah, if a spaceship moving faster than light - it should to be dematerialize. Otherwise any asteroid will say: FATALITY. ;)

Enginneers were themselves trying to tame/master time travel

Yes, they can go to time travel point and gets into the past for upgrade their race. Again and again. Yeah - it's all be in another time lines/dimensions, but - sacrifice it's a part of Engineers culture.

(i.e.) It could have been a transformed David, or a true life form that is either: "fossilized" OR... OR "petrified" in it's place. I think of how stalectites & stalegmites create themselves with water droplets over time & would accept that in some way Ripley, David or a Life Form of unknown origin either crash landed thousands of Years ago or they went back in time to end-up being the one who actually crash-lands thousands of years ago... OR... We have yet to actually encounter the REAL Space Jockey race of aliens who wind-up crash-landing thousands of years ago do to the consequences of time travel. Would LOVE  IT!!! 

Yeah, sounds good.

Haha. I imagine this situation without time lines, but with time circle. David or someone else created xenomorphs and Bio-Juggernaut with inspiration from Engineers. You know: U-form, Elephant-like suit. And then he go back in time and crashed on LV-426. After all - his remains will be finded by young Engineers race. They build a base on LV-223 and start exploring Derelict. They copy suits, ship form, Engineers recycle xenomorphs in Black Goo. And again - mankind expedition find them and copy, create xenomrophs from Black Goo and go back in time... endless.

Lone

Don't need apologize. I alway like technical aspects. And Forbidden Planet, of course. I think AC and FP similar in many ways.

HYPERNOVA

That's true about that pink blob! That's a really good idea that it could be interpreted as some kind of "brain" or brain extention of the actuall brain within the being sitting at the controls &, dare-I-say-it further to Your point: "Mind-Melding" with it!...

Mind-Melding. Yes and more. Something like neuro-interface, when the Pilot and the Ship become one. Extended life form. The Pilot literally became a ship!

That's a great idea!

I'd love it if the brains belonged to Giger's Ganesha Space Jockeys!

In the past we've discussed the prospect of the LV-223 Engineers/Clones/Hybrids using stolen technology.

Stolen from the Ganesha truckers or adapted from that tech?

It's a great way to include the original Jockeys, even if they've been wiped out & the good old Derelict Pilot could remain sacred. 

He was on a mission to wipe out those Engineers, or as I have always felt, he either sacrificed himself or became infected when an attempt to quarantine the cargo went wrong & he had to land or scuttle the ship. 

Or....the Engineers used the Jockeys, who were actually melded to their ships, to move unstable cargo?

When I saw the Space Jockey in Alien it was an enigma to Me for a long time. Then, the Aliens vs Predators comics came out in the 90's & they showed the Derilict alien race: the Mala'Kak & they then came across to Me like a sacred race almost like benevolent sentient giant cow's of the Galaxy.

So for a time they seemed to have this galactic wise old elephant presence about them, not just because of the trunk, but that in part factored into it but a race that seemed gentle, pure & genuine.

But then it feels as though it was being decieved & cheated, its intelligence being insulted so it lashed out & crushed the jumped-up petulant little Human usurpers. Smashing up all in "His" path because it did come across to Me as an amophic Male rather-than-female.

I always looked at them as ancient benefactors whom have long bouts of bear-like hibernation which is why they possibly live for so long. That, to Me, served as the insperation for the Engineer actions in Prometheus to grab hold of David & rip His head from his torso.

But what really strikes-home to Me now in hindsight when Ripley says the line about the message: "It looks like a warning", I now see that whole scene regarding the Space Jockey just that, a warning for any species recieving the broadcast because now, I view "Him" sitting "embossed" within that chair as THE LAST of His entire SPEICIES! His ENTIRE RACE! His ENTIRE CIVILIZATION!! The last of His ENTIRE KIND!!

That's how I view Him now & that could be a possible window into His thinking as to why He ended-up "marooned" upon LV-426, what must have gone through His mind knowing that He could possibly be last of His civilizations ENTIRE EXISTANCE!! That His mere prescence there marooned upon this crappy inhospitable world & his actions that lead Him to be there in that condition is the SUM TOTAL now of His entire race having EVER existed at all!! THIS state He now found Himself in was ALL He had to show for the sum total of His life choices & actions!

& to now know that at the point of death perhaps a flash of His corpse's destiny came to Him briefly & He some how possibly knew & was certain in the knowledge that His expended, used-up husk-of-a-body was going to languish here, in this blighted HELL of His own making for centuries... Tens-of-THOUSANDS of years even... THOUSANDS!! Like Ripley emphasises.

It makes Me think that in that moment He was overcome with an incomprehensible sense of sadness & loss for His civilization having ever been remembered for even existing at all!!

What could be ultimately sad was that perhaps He was the last custodian of his entire races archives, & history &, now that entire length/breadth of cultral history is lost for eternity. The galaxy/universe would not even know or quickly forget that He & His race ever existed at-all!! The last of His SPECIES!!

He was probably like the self-sacraficing Ripley of His own kind, doing some last-ditch noble act as She did at the end of Her life's journey at the time during the end of Alien 3.

Maybe in that moment of Hubris "He" (maybe "She", We don't fully know as yet but I'm going with a He) found some selmence of inward nobility in His sacraficing of Himself for the betterment of all civilization kind scattered across the Galaxy. Or He was a noble kind & did a dutiful act of custodianship to the Galaxy as one of its noble Sheperds & duty-bound as a galactic Steward. He could have been truely noble in His actions.

So bringing the topic round full-circle His (i'm going to call it!) "fossilized/petrified" remains serves as a haunting epitaph to His cultures entire existence or quite possibly having ever existed at all!

He now serves as a time capsule of sorts being one quite possibly of His entire own making.

A living-Dead reminder to Human-kind & Ripley got it when She said: "a warning" because He serves as a warning to any civilization dabbling in things You're not prepared to reap the consequences of much like Dr. Frankenstein as You could soon find Yourself the ABSOLUTE LAST of Your kind looking back & wondering how the Hell did I & the rest of My kind get here!!

They called Mala'kak. Yeah, really good race.