A Different Kind of Human

setaverde Will lose the Control of the enhanced specie and a rebellion against the makers begins

You could be right, but that theme has been done to death with even B movies. That is why the franchise needs a fresh approach. For the big screen, I don't see it happening. It could be explored via streaming services though. The IGN shorts for Alien Day were very well received. Better to get bite sized quality chunks than waiting years for a 2 hour disappointment.

Going back to the topic of the OP,

I don't see David using the two Facehuger Embryo's, the 2000 colonists and their embryo's, or any samples of the black goo to create any variation of the human race. David has been shown to have psychotic, psychopathic, sociopathic, homicidal, and genocidal tendencies, chiefly towards mankind. With such hatred towards humans, I don't see why David would want to see our existence continue, in any shape or form, especially when in Advent he declared he wanted to wipe us from existence.

However, the irony is that this hatred and his perception of his superiority over his creator are misplaced, and despite his alleged intelligence David somehow is oblivious to this. David is a shell, filled with human knowledge, created by human knowledge, created in the human image, and created to emulate the human condition. David is Pinocchio, and as such should be looking to attain his humanity not seeking/developing the means to wipe out humanity in any and all of its forms because if he does so he will have no one with which to converse and no one of which to serve. Because whether he wants to admit or not David was and forever will be a servant.

His experimentations into the Protomorph are a clear example of this. In Prometheus he discovered the black goo and was ordered by his creator Peter Weyland to "try harder", to experiment with what he had found and to study it and uncover its secrets, its possibilities. On Planet 4 David is merely continuing Weyland's work, Weyland's orders. David is still serving mankind and Mankind's interests. Take the attack on the Planet 4 Engineers. The Last Engineer was hellbent on completing its orders of destroying mankind but was stopped. By extension it is reasonable to believe that the Planet 4 Engineers also sought the destruction of mankind, or may even have issued the order, Thus their destruction by Davids' hand serves mankind, serves his creators.

The character of David could have been used to comment on the human condition and the many contradictions within our nature, but instead, he has been turned into a teenager Pinocchio; a puppet that wants to be a real boy, all the while protesting how much he hates his parents. And to make matters worse he uses acclaimed works of mankind (Lawrence, Byron, Shelley, and others) to proclaim his superiority over mankind while failing to see that in reality he has become the Lucifer, Frankenstein, and Moreau of his own tale; a contradictory and misguided character whose narcissism blinds them to the reality that in their desire to transcend their humanity that they have in actuality become less than human.

Once a puppet, always a puppet.

Gavin, David wanted to be loved, but Peter Weyland wasn't Geppetto.

His intense desire for love was transformed in hatred for mankind. David is bipolar as hell, he GOES from One Extreme to another in a glimpse of an eye. He declames poetry because he likes to hear his own voice, due to his Giant ego. David has so many contradictions in his character. He hates mankind, but he loves an audience full of humans. Maybe he creates, because he doesn't want to be lonely. In Prometheus, he watches the dreams of the crew, while they sleep. So much sadness, to watch dreams of others like a TV show, to fight his loneliness.

Gavin, David wanted to be loved, but Peter Weyland wasn't Geppetto.

His intense desire for love was transformed in hatred for mankind. David is bipolar as hell, he GOES from One Extreme to another in a glimpse of an eye. He declames poetry because he likes to hear his own voice, due to his Giant ego. David has so many contradictions in his character. He hates mankind, but he loves an audience full of humans. Maybe he creates, because he doesn't want to be lonely. In Prometheus, he watches the dreams of the crew, while they sleep. So much sadness, to watch dreams of others like a TV show, to fight his loneliness.

The bipolarity of David is always present. He loves Doctor Elizabeth Shaw, but she's human and he hates humans. A human made him and never Gave him love like a FATHER gives love to his Son. For his father, he is a soulless ambulating object, a mean to achieve an ending, Immortality!

"I don't see David using the two Facehuger Embryo's, the 2000 colonists and their embryo's, or any samples of the black goo to create any variation of the human race"

We certainly get that idea.... and having Today Finally Discovered and Read the TWO Drafts for Alien Covenant it does further paint the Picture that his Agenda is purely to Perfect and Mass Produce his Masterpiece.

If this was his Agenda... what kind of a Movie does that make? he would also had been wise to NOT transmit the Advent Video until he has Perfected his Horde of Xenomorphs.... unless he uses this as Bait thinking the Company would go to LV-223 and Planet 4 and the Horrors there would be Mankinds Downfall...  the Company being more Interested in this than to pursue David, so that he has more Time on his Hands to Perfect his Creation.

I was more drawn to things like how David had offered Dr Shaw a chance to Start a New Eden, from the Ashes of the Engineers World and how he would offer to Evolve her.

Before the Sequel... i had always looked at WHY it is Dr Shaw wants to find the Engineers... the answer was she has NOTHING else left!   However.... if she could have been able to have Children would she still had wanted to go to Paradise?

So i always speculated that maybe David would offer Dr Shaw a means to be able to Procreate, in that he could find a way that SHE could have Children.

Time Passes, and we get to the Sequel, well the Build up to Release and we saw those Leaked Images from his Workshop and i noticed that those Tiny Skulls looked more like Human Infant Skulls... so then i Speculated on here that maybe David indeed manages to offer Dr Shaw a chance to CREATE...   If he could use Engineer DNA with the Pathogen to Create Humanoid Fetus from her Defected Egg Cells.

It was only after the Release of Alien Covenant and revelation of Female Engineers that David had examined and infants that those Skulls were in FACT the Engineers Infants.

So i was wrong on that Theory... but for David who loved Dr Shaw and Dr Shaw having No Children i felt it was still something that could have been explored.

When i then look at the Comment by David about how he had offered Dr Shaw the Chance to Create a New Eden, i wondered if he offered her a Chance to Birth some kind of Humanoid, maybe Hybrid... surely Dr Shaw may have been open to that?   She surely would have Rejected being used to create Xenomorph, Deacon and Neomorph like Horrors and David would surely knew She would Reject such... 

So i wondered what kind of Eden did he offer Dr Shaw?

I look at how he viewed his treatment by Mankind and Weyland and how he looked at Dr Shaw... it appeared that he felt Mankind was not a Worthy Race for the Most Part but there was some who he had Faith in.. such as Dr Shaw.

I then look at his comment to Daniels in regards to "what kind of world" they could create/build.... which he replies "if we are kind, it will be a kind world"

This led me to speculate that maybe he would not be purely looking to Create Xenomorphs, i wondered what plans he would have... but with Daniels knowing who is was is a Problem... but then the Human Embryo's i felt was something that David could RAISE and Imprint what ever kind of History, Mythology and Origin and Rules upon.... so i pondered this Plot Theory.

Then we had RS come out and talk about the Next Movie in how it WOULD-NOT be about the Xenomorph but about AI and "what kind of a world" it is that David would create.  And when RS talked about AI and implied the Replicants are AI....   this made me conclude that David would LIKELY take those Embryo's and Create his own SUPERIOR Humans from them.

IF however.. we ONLY look at the Movie and Advent, then it appears the conclusion would be to MASS-PRODUCE the Xenomorph which Conflicts RS comments about the Next Movie is NOT about the Xenomorph.

I think this is what we would have been shown... but as of NOW the Movie is in Limbo... and WHEN/IF we get a continuation it may be something Totally Different to what Ridley Scott had intended.

"By extension it is reasonable to believe that the Planet 4 Engineers also sought the destruction of mankind, or may even have issued the order", who it is reasonable to believe that? If the Engineers don't live by some method for thousands of years those who issued the order is long dead. We also know that the Engineers abandoned their goo Armageddon habits from Advent at least 2000 years ago as they never tried to nuke Earth again. And there also is the possibility that the LV Engineers are a rebel group (the fallen angel variety). 

David however could be still be following a secret directive unknown even to him, as it was suggested sometime ago.

And why nobody brings up that he signed his Drawings as David Weyland, pretty much wanting to inherit something he hates.

@BigDave

At the end of Prometheus, Shaw has 2 things left her faith (probably in a benevolent God) and the need to find what above the Engineers in the creation ladder. That is more than nothing and is motivation enough to begin her dangerous journey to find them. To exchange that with being experimented upon with a weapon by the synth she knows killed Charlie in the faith hope she could procreate sounds very iffy to me.

"At the end of Prometheus, Shaw has 2 things left her faith"

Certainly i forget to indicate that i meant she had NOTHING as in to go back to Earth for ;)

She certainly clutched on to her Faith in spite of revelations and certainly wanted to go to discover these Engineers for Answers.  I just wondered if she could have had Children would that had affected her a little?

Regarding her having Children on Planet 4, this was just something i wondered when we saw this leaked image.

some Speculated those Skulls in the Bottom Left Corner could be some Native Primate, i noticed they was actually Very Much Human Infant Skulls... that got me to wonder had David managed to allow Dr Shaw to bare Children but then he used them for experiments?

But seeing latter images that confirmed Female Engineers i realized maybe they could be infant Engineers too.  Which with the release of AC and Davids drawings we had this confirmed.

I do think potentially David could have tried to offer Dr Shaw something similar, in that he could help her to Create Life, and you are VERY right in that she would be Very Cautious considering the last time he played  apart in anything similar he was responsible for the Trilobite so there is a Great Chance she would say NO!

And this pretty much may be something that happened, it depends what is meant by him offering to Create a New Eden.... because he also said he wanted to Evolve her but she declined...  some of his drawings of Dr Shaw do depict her as being MORE than Human but in NO way a Xenomorph... so maybe he felt he could Evolve Dr Shaw to become a Hybrid and then with her Create a New Civilization of Hybrids... which she REJECTED!

It appears from his Workshop and Drawings that he had been experimenting with Engineer Infants, it was said that he felt the Engineers Biology did not yield as good results as a Humans....

so we could Speculate exactly what this meant.. it could be as far as a Face Hugger + Human Host... but then it could be Human Egg Cells for Experiments... and who knows maybe he could have used her to create some Off-Spring.   There is the Potential that Engineers and Humans could be Compatible or if not quite.. maybe David could discover a way to do so.

But this is all Speculative... Certainly David had some ALIVE Engineers to experiment with, including Infants.

Who knows what POWER the GOO has and how well David knows how to use it and Manipulate it.... if he has any of Dr Shaw's DNA then maybe he could use this with the Embryo's to kind of Create a Clone of her?

Hallett and Hatton were quite ambiguous to Davids drawings of Dr Shaw, suggesting maybe he Resurrected her over and over, maybe he Cloned her or maybe they are just his Vivid and Disturbed Dreams/Fantasies...  One of the Alien Covenant Drafts indicates the latter.

"By extension it is reasonable to believe that the Planet 4 Engineers also sought the destruction of mankind"

I think this is one of the MAJOR Questions that would have been answered by a Prometheus 2 the Engineers Plot and Agenda is still very Ambigious

One Major Question would have been WHY did they NOT come back and FINISH the job?  The Logical Answers would revolve around.

*Do those Engineers on Paradise know about the intended Destruction of Mankind, and they also seek the same?

*Do those Engineers on Paradise know what became of LV-223 and those Experiments, was it always a place to Experiment with Xenomorph like Horrors?

*If they was aware of both counts.... could they have determined the Method of Destruction that was something they COULD-NOT contain was deemed FOLLY and they ABANDONED the Complex.  (if this was the case its likely the arrogant Engineers would feel that without their Help Mankind would NEVER evolve far and become a Threat and we would just end up Destroying ourselves so they leave us to ROT).

These are things i had pondered and discussed on here a number of times prior to Alien Covenant.

The revelations in Alien Covenant, and from RS comments would maybe shed some light on the FALLEN ANGELS aspect, maybe by Virtue of the LV-223 Engineers being as such.  RS had mentioned that they are NOT the original Engineers and that those Planet 4 ones are and so maybe their is a similar connection between Planet 4 Engineers and LV-223 as there is with Humans and David?

For me i see a lot of evidence that connects to the Creationist Plot rather than to Center around a Xenomorph Bio-Weapon Infatuated Race of Engineers.

Maybe i will have to Start a Topic on that subject. but its something i had mentioned on various topics quite a lot especially after Alien Covenant.

BigDave Yes from the release of those early script I've said that those drawings are Synth porn. At least that was unique.

Concerning Aurora and the topic of this post . . .

According to me, the lyrics of “A Different Kind of Human” is about humanity and that we have become corrupt. But, there are some individuals that are pure and given the chance of getting away from Earth (by a higher power) and start all over.

AC could have taken another turn given the mini-films (such as “The Crossing”). The trailer-song “Nature Boy” is interesting since, in this context, it must have referred to David who is the strange, sad and lonely boy who wanders very far and seeks the love he has not been given by his creators (Weyland and humanity).

David could perhaps have been “saved” by Shaw but his exposure to psychological maltreatment leads to hate and vengeance instead.

Shaw is "a different kind of human" but could she really love a synthetic? Could she really have saved him?

"According to me, the lyrics of “A Different Kind of Human” is about humanity and that we have become corrupt. But, there are some individuals that are pure and given the chance of getting away from Earth (by a higher power) and start all over."

;)

Indeed thats how i connect it, i feel the Engineers would Logically come back to TAKE some Humans away before they RESET the World!

Children would be the IDEAL choice... Innocent and Pure.

This is similar to what has been done in Movies before... such as Knowing 2009 (Spoiler for End)

Very good catch on the AURORA song BigDave.  Love it.

Engineer DNA Match

"may be many Various Kinds of Humanoids."

"And indeed we could ponder about the Arcturians are they created by the Engineers?"

It would very interesting to me if the humanoids encountered, such as the Arcturians, were a match to human DNA as well.  

When taking Prometheus (Engineer sample DNA match to human DNA) into account, I assume the Arcturians would be a DNA match to human's DNA because they are so close to Earth...in the Engineer's neighborhood.

Well this is SCI-FI and so maybe we could look at if there is a Connection between Various Humanoids, the Engineers Plot also reveals about Experiments that also use more than Humanoid DNA...  Hybrids..

We maybe have to ask WHY the Engineers seem to want to Create Life in their Image....  we could then Ponder for instance HOW MANY Life-Forms are Human-like.

But then also we should not limit the Universe to Human-like Life and so other Humanoids could be Very Different, and so indeed Arcturians are interesting, how Human are they?  If they are Hybrids or Different then they likely would have LESS of a DNA Match.

If the Engineers have Engineered many Intelligent Species then maybe there DNA is the Base Canvas.  But we cant rule out if they had Experimented in the Past to Cross-Hybrid other None-Human Organisms with a Human-like Canvas.

Are the Arcturians as such?  Or could they be something the Engineers or their Creators have NEVER been involved with?

I thought i would BUMP this with this Reply....

Been thinking about Creation and Different kind of Human, and i still think that DAVID would have gone on to EVOLVE those Embryo's to make his OWN Children a Mankind MK2 if you would.

So i have taken ONE of the Drawings by David from Alien Covenant, the Engineer and NEXT to it i have Modified that Engineer to make a New Kind of Human a Super Human if you would.

I took the Engineer and Increased the Length of the Forearms, and Fingers, then i Increased the Length of the Hips/Legs with me Further Extending the Legs again from the Knee.  Then i Elongated the Neck and Head Height but then also Elongated it at the back. 

Before adding 6 Digits and Removing the Nipples, Naval Cavity and Reducing the Ears.

What we have is a 10ft Humanoid with Greater Strength, Speed, Agility than a Human and likely Engineer, with better Dexterity and also some Extra Sensory Perception Organs.... maybe even like a Hive Mind/Telepathic Ability.

David using the Embyro's and Tinkering with the Genomes and then Splicing some Xenomorph DNA/Traits.... and so we had David go and Tinker the Engineers Deacon/Neomorph.  And this image above could be him Tinkering with the Human Genome.  Perfecting mankind beyond even the Engineers own DNA.

Of-course this Creation would TURN on David once they Discover he is NOT a GOD and he is a Creation of their own TRUE ORIGINS and they find out the Horrors that David had done to their Parents....

Not to Worry i think David has his WOLF to take care of his Rebellious Children and the RESULT would surely be  THE ULTRAMORPH!

And so INDEED if the Face Hugger makes 8ft Xenomorphs from a 6ft Human then the Ultramorph is about 13ft which would be what a Face Hugger would do to a 10ft Humanoid. ;)