A Great Video Analyzing Subliminal Foreshadowing in the Opening Scenes of Alien
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MemberChestbursterAugust 23, 2020Guys, check out this video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXvMnKamhE
This guy does a really interesting analysis of the opening scenes of Alien.
Blackwinter-witch On the other hand, chewing up your works like a pack of hungry wolves because there is an error shows that people are paying attention. It might even be a good idea to drop a deliberate error in there just to see if anyone catches it ;)
@Hox, thank you for the in-depth analysis of that scene...and everyone else's comments too...this is still spooky to me though and for good reason.
"This is not about something we all lost and then found....it is about something that was right in front of all of us for 40 years and we never all saw it not one time - all of us, tens of millions of people saw this film and it never comes up one time until now - this was meant to be seen or was it until now? It was right there in front of all of us for 40 years."
What has me spooked the most is that BigDave could easily write a few books about this film in explicit detail and just until recently, days ago, this was right in front of him for over 40 years and he never notices it until now.
I agree with everyone...yes there are continuity errors in this film and most films.....it is the nature of this error about this specific detail right in front of people like BigDave that is of concearn...not that he misses it because it is right in front of him for over 40 years....for the very real fact it was not there and that is the reason he never introduces it or discusses it ever.
"BigDave do not doubt your own memory of the film...you would have noticed an ELEPHANT HANGING FROM THE CORNER OF KANE'S MONITOR - The thing is you don't? and it was right in front of you for 40 years and me too....No matter how strange the theory, it has to be true if you can rule everything else out that is even remotely plausible, because there is no other rational explanation for anything else."
The quantum game is afoot as they say and we have culprit!!! A real one - the person that makes the video about this scene being subliminal forshadowing....is inconsequential in any tangible or meaningful way. Should this not be a continuity error, and that is plausible then something with a lot of power changed all of this just recently.....something that works on an order and magnitude faster than computers even from a few hundred years from now.
There is that scene in the matrix....with the cat....this reminds me of that...in every explicit detail....what did we all just really see when the universe split?/or multi-universe?...a bit too much to go into for these purposes....but a many worlds interpretation or split universe. It is too soon to say this is just a continuity error.
The mathematical odds of it being a continuity error are similar to this....for 40 years there is a small statue/figurine you place on your own desk. For 40 years you look at it every day and yet somehow are unable to notice it even though it is right there in front of you staring you in the face.....then one day somebody says oh look how interesting why did you put that figurine on your desk? What does it that figurine mean to you?.....and you look at them and say I do not recall ever seeing that small figurine there before ever!.....and all of this is even stranger than that....this one is statistically different and for good reasons....millions of people saw this film around the world....and it was never there for them either - until just recently.
Look up Copenhagen and Everett quantum interpretations.
What’s the difference between Copenhagen and Everett?
https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=11202
What is interesting is the math says both of these realities in quantum physics happen, are happening right now and is the real prevailing reality.
Google search results......
Query, remember this database can pull a face out several hundred billion photos under a few micro seconds. Keep that in mind.....and it has been around for a decade and half. It comes after paper records too....
"alien movie elephant figure kane's monitor"
About 63 results (0.81 seconds)
Showing results for alien movie elephant figure kane's monitor
Search instead for alien movie elphant figure kane's monitor
"alien movie elephant figurine kane's monitor"
About 23 results (0.95 seconds)
"alien movie elephant kane's monitor"
About 70 results (0.87 seconds)
LETS WIDEN OUR QUANTUM HORIZONS A BIT RIGHT....
"alien movie 1979"
About 15,700,000 results (1.70 seconds)
Googles massive parallel computer system had to collate / parse that one for a moment!
Remember we are looking at statistical probabilities (real quantum deviations) here - correct....not necessarily continuity errors that never existed.....
@dk, you’re right. The only reason I went to the trouble of grabbing and comparing a load of screenshots was because Alien is such a brilliant and iconic movie. Lesser movies would not be worth analysing.
Good directors - especially the likes of Ridley Scott - know where the typical viewer’s eye will travel, and the scene is framed accordingly. Studies have been done to track viewer’s eyeballs, showing where they are looking in a frame, and most humans behave similarly. So it’s not entirely surprising that minor details get missed. Continuity errors abound but they don’t generally affect the quality of a movie.
Here’s an interesting video demonstrating how perception works. Even if you’ve seen it before, it’s worth watching to the end.
@Hox,
Saw the gorilla missed the curtain changing color and the person in black leaving the game....very interesting use of visual psychology that illustrates the complexities of vision when viewing many complex movements.
This was a stationary object though....the size does matter obviously and the other sounds in conjunction with it...I still am going with another interpretation based on the people that have taken the time to go frame by frame of this film for decades....people such as BigDave....40 years is a long time to look at this type of media and be completely unaware of its while it is right in front of them....
I like how the narrator says about 50% of the people miss the gorilla....how about tens of millions with a stationary object??? Around the world? We should see standard deviations with this as well but we don't - not even close....to be fair though I am not taking certain variables into consideration....the majority of the people that watch this film have only viewed it a few times, they do not study the film as all of us do, and they watch the film and perhaps never come back to watch the film ever again...
Still we should see a larger number of random people closer to edge of the bell cure from the mean distribution even randomly getting this and its just not there.....a person like BigDave would be the control we are testing everything else against.....when people like him and me miss it than there is more to the story.
Let's continue shall we....BigDave has posted 11,702 posts with an average of 1000 words per post.....that is 11,700,000 words aproximately.
The novel "War and Peace" has 587,000 words.
BigDave has published the equivalent of 19.93 books with the equivalent of 1225 pages in these forums all about the movie franchise ALIEN......HOX HE NEVER MENTIONS THE LITTLE ELEPHANT FIGURE THAT HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF HIM FOR 40 YEARS ON KANE'S MONITOR - not one time!
Hox almost 20 books at 1225 pages of material about this subject with something right in front of him for 40 years..... 11,700,000 - ELEVEN MILLION WORDS.....and thing is HOX NONE OF YOU MENTION IT EITHER.....so now we are talking about another 100 Million words or more....and then all the other posts from the other websites....in other words we need another better explanation of why?
And lets not forget about the tens of millions of people who saw this film around the planet in different languages....it just never existed until recently....BD would have said something about or many of the other thousands of people who visit these posts.
@Hox
Thanks for the Screen Shots, i had Never Noticed the Goof of the appearing and Disappearing and Reappearing of the Sticky Notes on some of the VDU screens.
@Blackant
Thanks for Recognizing i do spend a lot of Time on here and i have seen ALIEN quite a lot ;)
Regarding the Elephantine Object i had indeed Never Noticed it before, NOW i may have seen it and it just maybe Never Stood Out as Significant.... its like a Nice Easter Egg
I think the Google Search you Conducted does show that its something that HAS-NOT came up a LOT... Which if it was merely a Mug with Weyland on it or something else it could be Passed By... But as it is a Elephantine like Key Chain/Ring that is ON the VDU screen that Lambert uses and so the Navigation Screen if you would...
I think by Virtue that it appears to be a Bi-Pedal Elephantine Object then i think its ODD that it has not been Brought Up more on the Internet on sites or Youtube etc before... in Posts like "did you catch the Space Jockey Figure on the VDU"
Because when i look at it then to me its like a Easter Egg with a NOD to the Space Jockey and something Worth a Debate as to WHY would they Put such a Easter Egg.
But indeed its something that has been either Missed, Overlooked by most of us.
I cant 100% say that its something we Merely Missed, i certainly Never Noticed it before, but i am sure there are other Little Things that i have Missed too as far as some Details, like i could NOT tell you what BRAND of Cigarettes were USED, i had noticed the Packets but Never paid attention to the Brand because to me (and as a None-Smoker) it Simply did-not seen Significant at all.
In regards to this being something that had Never Existed before, and Certainly as FAR as maybe because we have been Shifted into another Reality, or a Simulation... I know there are a lot of Theories and Conspiracies out there... I know that Stephen Hawkings had said ONCE we Discover the God Particle the Higgs Bosson then Potentially it could Change the Universe as we know it...
I think maybe trying to Play with Physics too much can have Risks... i know a Number of People had Concerns about what CERN are doing.
There are people i know who have some Memory of Events that i have NONE of and Vice Versa. Even as FAR as talking about do you remember when we DID/SAW/HEARD about such a such and they be like NO! and even Vice Versa.
Some Science would conclude there are Multiple Universes and Dimensions, like maybe Infinite Alternative Realities and well if we Accept this, then maybe some Experiments a CERN could certainly have the Potential to be Messing with stuff thats best left alone ;)
Some of the Mandela Effect things that are Shared are Interesting and some are Plain Funny.... but for some i do Distinctly Remember things that are Apparently NOT what they are... Looney Toons is ONE example ;)
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
@BigDave
"like i could NOT tell you what BRAND of Cigarettes were USED, i had noticed the Packets but Never paid attention to the Brand because to me (and as a None-Smoker) it Simply did-not seen Significant at all."
"Balaji" Imperial....the name of the actor who played Alien in the costume is "Balaji Badejo".
All the google results do not, of which there are only a couple hundred, refer back to the creature itself sitting in the chair only as an elephantine looking thing.....
None of the google results link back to the actual elephant figuring on the left side of Kane's monitor.....that appears and reappears in different parts of the film.
It would also appear that you are one of the leading experts on this film on the entire planet.....20 books worth of posts at 1200 pages each approximately would make you more than a Doctor technically speaking.....Dr. BigDave. LOL
LOL we need to get work on the documentary and the book you are going to write about Alien's production....
It is also very cool to think that for 40 years a lot of us have been interested in this film if nothing else....it just shows how cool this film is.
"Balaji Badejo"
So its like a Easter Egg nod to Bolaji Badejo cheers ;)
I think while i have Watched ALIEN quite a lot and Studied it a lot, there are many others out their who have a Wealth of Knowledge more about the Movie ;)
What i mainly do is too look at and Speculate about the Things we have not seen, well to try and Look at more in Depth Speculation about things we dont see. And so to think about how you can Expand on Certain things that we was shown Little about.
For me the GREATEST part was the Derelict and Space Jockey its this Mystery that i had always been Interested in. By the Time we had come to Alien 3, i felt we had seen Quite a lot about the Xenomorph as far as a WAY FORWARDS. Only thing to be shown would be WHAT would the Company do with IT should they Finally Obtain a Specimen which Alien Resurrection went on to kind of indicate.
So we still had the ORIGINS of the Xenomorph to wonder about.... However i was more Intrigued with the Space Jockey Race and HOW/WHY and WHEN did they have those Eggs and to Ponder as to WHY was they in that Area of the Solar System... where was HE going? and where DID he come from?
And so for me it was Prometheus that i had Studied more, and with ALIEN it was about looking at HOW it would Connect to Prometheus.
Going back to the Elephantine Figure i think its Interesting to Wonder to WHY it was placed as a Easter Egg... some could NOW use this to Speculate that the idea was all along that the Space Jockey was the Skeleton of a Giant Elephantine Creature LOL
And they would be Correct.... that was the Plan (Skeleton) but it was the Skeleton of something that was NOT really Elephantine as this Aesthetic was by HR Giger and at this Point then the Monster and the Unfortunate Giant Race of Explorers had CHANGED to something Different and Unique. (Bio-Mechanical)
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Not sure if I've seen that one before. It's really interesting how he talks about it and how he's trying to tie some things together. They probably put those things there for some reason.
He he, speaking of Looney Tunes that BD mentioned (I didn't start this! LOL!), how about having Bugs Bunny in an Alien movie? He could probably outrun the Xenos without a problem even though we might get a problem when it comes to building suspense. ;) Just imagine the Internet memes that it would create.