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Pandemonium

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Pandemonium

 

Pandemonium

Ridley Scott has cited Christian history (see below quote, "very bad" meant killing Jesus in regards to the timeline) and the poem Paradise Lost when explaining story drivers. It is just that Ridley Scott chose a crucifixion in a time of many crucifixions as different from the rest of those hung on a cross, 2000 years ago. 

"We did something very, very bad, and somehow the consequences of that dreadful act accompanied the Engineers back to LV-223 and massacred them.  If you have uneasy suspicions about what 'a bad thing approximately 2,000 years ago' might be, then let me reassure you that you are right.”

Ridley Scott, movies.com

(Pandemonium is also the name of the City, where Satan has his seat of Power, they (Demons) built this place and it is kind of like Satans Headquarters; Pandemonium would also describe a Hell Breaking loose, and a Outbreak that results in Xenomorphs as the Poster shows would be such a event. Thank you BigDave.)

Does this image below show Pandemonium?

And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 13:42

It is also not a secret that the concepts of Paradise Lost made a huge impact on Ridley Scott's team in developing the concepts of Prometheus and many topics on this board have covered it at length.

The concepts shown in Prometheus in relation to Paradise Lost were the Fallen Angel progeny, the worshipped Nephilim Giants (Engineer's relation in Dr. Shaw's notes below).

Is the xenomorph image above Ridley Scott's interpretation of Pandemonium and will we see the same concepts (Christian History, Paradise Lost) manifested in Alien: Covenant? 

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Interesting ;)

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Pandemonium can have multiple meanings

  1. wild and noisy disorder or confusion; uproar."there was complete pandemonium—everyone just panicked"
  2. mid 17th century: modern Latin (denoting the place of all demons, in Milton's Paradise Lost )

And so indeed we are loosely following the Tales set within Paradise Lost and the LV-223 Engineers are kind of Fallen Angels.

Pandemonium is also the name of the City, where Satan has his seat of Power, they (Demons) built this place and it is kind of like Satans Headquarters 

Pandemonium would also describe a Hell Breaking loose, and a Outbreak that results in Xenomorphs as the Poster shows would be such a event.

The Source did say they was contemplating Pandemonium as the title or at least used in the title for the Prometheus sequel.

They also claimed in regards to Paradise Lost in context to connecting to Prometheus 2, that the Scene where Fallen Angels was turned into Serpents is a event that gave them freedom from bondage.

This Poster indeed can be taken just as that part from Paradise Lost after the Fallen Angels are cast down and some of them are transformed into Serpents.

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Thank you so much BigDave. I didn't know that regarding the term Pandemonium as a component of the Prometheus sequel title.

That is exactly what I'm talking about...after the council is established and addressed by the Serpent with the false promise of a return to glory. Then the disfigurement and chaos that followed for the Serpent and his infernal peers.

Pandemonium was built suddenly, in hours, and far surpassing anything man could ever hope to build. This capital was built out of the great Deep

I have read interpretation of the Deep to signify outer space in some instances and the one specific instance was the flood on Earth in the story of Noah.

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Genesis 7:11 

I do accept the interpretation of the Deep this context to mean outer space and that may be where Pandemonium was created and the latest Alien:Covenant movie poster may show but a small slice of what is there. I know I jumped back and forth from the Bible and Paradise Lost clumsy in the topic title writing in regards to the potential Pandemonium image. Thank you again for filling in so much that I didn't have. 

Also, do you believe that is a hammerpede to the back-right of the central xenomorph?

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Indeed yes very similar to the Hammerpede, and much like the Top of the poster is similar to the Trilobite as i made a Topic here to point out ;)

Covenant Poster Trilobite?

The Source i had did say the Deacon and Hammerpede are connected as far as how LV-223 and LV-426 are. But that the Deacon in Prometheus would have a lot of Evolving to do. (which seems to hint its not possible to connect to Alien).

But this does not mean a Previous Deacon can not.

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Also this image of Satan on his Throne that is on top of that Dome... now many Ancient Culture depict Thrones as made from Gold.

So this image could match this

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Great connection to the throne BigDave.

Here are enhanced images pulled from your image provided above. Thank you.

Left of temple dome.

Right of temple dome.

The temple surrounding structure looks symmetrical.

Below is the far right side of the topic title image.

 

 

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It will be interesting to see what the designs are like inside the Temple and if we get like a Throne or like a Coliseum, we know from the Set Reports there are Giant Head Statues all Facing Each other in a like a Circle, Ridley referred to them as both 10  Apostle's and Superior Beings.

But they also described a Sacrificial Altar/Bench and a Dagger so thats going to be interesting.

We actually had something similar in the Star Beast Mural

And my abandoned attempted Re-write of Lindeloffs Paradise was to reveal a similar room to this behind the Mural in Prometheus.

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Diving deeper into the Engineer pyramid...I like that story line with the further travels into the ruins in your script BigDave.

Yes, it will be very interesting to see what is going on inside the Engineer temple.

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Here is the movie poster enhanced upside down that may show Pandemonium. 

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This alien looks different than the xenomorph in the middle.

What is this below that looks like a sting ray?

 

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Interesting with the golden "solar panels" that you highlighted, Ingeniero. There might be four of them positioned symmetrically around the dome and somehow connected to the golden"apparatus" on the top? This could be the doomsday machine BD suggested? If there is an outbreak of sorts, the "solar panels" are aligned . . .

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Indeed there appears to be some different looking Xenomorphs, but it appears if this is showing a Transformation of something to Xenomorphs so they could be part of a Transformation...  as it shows these Organisms in many twisted and warped stages of Mutation.

Indeed a few look like the Queen a bit if we had a Queen minus its Head Carapace/Crown if you would.  The same can be said with the King Xeno Statue by Sideshow.

I think it shows us that there are/was a number of different looking Xenomorph's and Face Huggers.

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@Chli

Maybe i think the Dome and that Gold Device has to have a logical explanation and use.

Looking back at the OT image of Satan on his Throne on top of that Dome... if we look at this image in a different way and we say remove the Dome and Throne from this scene and place it on its own.. with no Satan sitting on the Throne.

Then the Dome looks like a Sphere, a World and the Throne looks like a Huge Fortress sitting at top of this World.

If this World is Hell, then that Fortress would be Pandemonium  and indeed this Throne has like Domes on it..

If you look at the Throne in this context then compare these.

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BigDave and chli, I thought the same thing regarding the steep golden triangular structures on either side of the dome.

Yes, I'm now leaning heavily towards a collective use (weapon maybe) with the golden bell-like structure and the corresponding golden peaks in the surrounding structures adjoining the temple dome.

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In a symbolic way I suppose we can look at the doomsday machine as the Devil, BD. Anyway, it seems that it's behind the massacre, using the sun or electricity to fry everyone in the city (perhaps the whole planet), hence the burnt bodies. On the other side of the dome, we see the city - houses etc where "people" lived? I wonder if parts of the crew ventured into that city, walked the streets and peered into the houses? Probably burnt corpses everywhere . . .

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I hadn't thought of that chli. It would be great to see a structure by structure search.

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Yes, and I wonder if the cult place (dome, temple, sacrificial altar) is in the centre of the city or at the end of it?

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Here are better shots enhanced of either side of the dome structure chli

Left side of temple dome on Paradise.

Right side of temple dome on Paradise.

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Nice work with the pictures, Ingeniero! There seems to be statues and columns to the the left and right of the dome, and something similar to sun panels, maybe four of them around the dome? And as BD points out, there are no burnt bodies on the other side of the (procession?) road. Perhaps suggesting that there is some kind of ritualistic mass sacrifice (or "safety valve")? They might have been infected by the mutagen which is suggested by this on set picture where a seemingly disfigured humanoid attacks another:

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I have covered that photo before, i think its just the angles and shadows at play here and its just TWO Humanoid beings interacting with each other, maybe in confrontational way?

The Angles and Lighting and Position of hands does seem to give the impression of one being having a mutated face and also elongated limbs but i think its just down to low resolution image and these beings are just turned to like Stone like the others.

Notice the Toppled Over Headless Statue.... is this something that happened before, maybe a mass War and conflict happened in the past so there was some kind of Civil War or Uprising and this is how these Monuments got Toppled...

Before then that Disaster that seemed to Burn/Change them to Stone... or was these Monuments knocked down by the Force of some Blast.

But i agree it looks unlikely a Black Goo Bombardment could cause any of this.

 

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