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Chli:
"it was probably a wrong decision not to continue the story of Ripley, Hicks and Newt."
I disagree, Alien has never been about family and happiness, that would also have been a repetition and that to me would have been boring like an Alien 2.0. This would have made Aliens less special since it would have repeated itself but now thankfully we have one Aliens that we can enjoy.
Killing them off was a necessary thing because then you could try something else and not be tied to what happened there. I doubt that it would have been an interesting movie to have Hicks and Newt in a prison full off rapists and so on. Even Alien 3 by Gibson that had Ripley in a come felt kind of eh, so I think that they did the right thing in the end.
Many people think that the Star Wars sequels weren't that great but the way that I would have reacted to another Hicks and Newt-story would probably have been worse than how I reacted to the sort or rehash that the Star Wars sequels became. Hicks and Newt were not the main-thing anyways so who continue with them? They were never as interesting as Ripley although the characters were well-made.
A new movie in the Alien-verse should have nothing to do with what we have seen. The Engineers could be featured but other than that I would say move on. It's time to get interesting again, so don't make it about androids.
“Even James Cameron expressed doubt about killing off the main characters of Aliens in Alien 3. There was a special bond between Ripley, Newt and Hicks - a potential family.”
He can have his opinion, I don't agree at all. If he wants the franchise to have a feel good thing going on he could go somewhere else. You have Disney animated movies, and so on, but Alien isn't one of these things.
Episodic movies please, all the characters that you mentioned are done to me. Those from Aliens had their time and the rest are not interesting. I would rather move on than to see something that we have seen before. You can keep some of the themes but in a new story and new characters.
Wouldn't it be more likely that we will see games, comics, and so on? If we look at how the movies have done since after Alien 3 we can see that they haven't done that well. Prometheus did decent but that was probably because Scott and a bit of waiting since the last one.
Looking at Covenant and how it did I doubt that they will continue the David-story (thanks F for that). Maybe make new prequels and give it to someone that can write and a director that knows his or her limits maybe? Scott doesn’t seem to be able to do that.
No Blomkamp please, not interested in another Ripley story. Make something else, an independent movie more like Rogue One. There would be no Ripley, no David, for example. Give me something new that works, not like the prequels that messed things up.
“This Project had HOWEVER became Dead in the Water!”
Phew! Good! It's time to move on, Ripley should have stayed dead after 3.
“but the Question would be WHAT Movies would Survive as Canon?”
As long as they never touch Alien 3 I'm fine, they can do whatever they want with the rest. If they would improve what we have after Alien 3 then why not? I don't mean as in time-line but the prequels and Alien R (don't care about AVP and whatever).
Give me something new, new monsters, new worlds. An interesting story and well-made characters are required but other than that I’m open to different things.
“especially ALIEN and ALIENS are Considered so Iconic and Deserve their Place in the Franchise”
*Cough* *cough* someone forgot about Alien 3. :-)
“If this is the CASE then WHAT/WHERE do they take us?”
I would like to see survival-horror of some sort, one could say that it has been done to death but you can add new stuff to it. You can add new things to try to expand the franchise. Even though the prequels are disappointments we got new monsters, new worlds, and the Engineers. Not sure if we will see the Engineers again but it would be bad to just throw them away.
What I don't want is poorly made human characters and a focus on androids. F the focus on androids, that sucks even though they can be part of the movie (it worked with Ash and Bishop). The prequels made me think about what I don't want so that is something good I guess. Last but not least: don't cut out important parts just to get a certain run-time, that leaves out important parts and destroys the movie (the prequels show that).
“Sadly this may make them Conclude that Ripley, Xenomorphs with a Dash of Marines is the SAFE BET!”
How about a Rogue One about the Colonial marines without Ripley? This could show us new monsters and new worlds without it being Aliens 2. Keep the marines but try new things and also, please no 80s vibes - you got to update things. I could accept this, at least it’s something new, but we need people to care about.
We have had an action-movie, and horror-movies. Maybe there is a third genre that could work that are not far away from those but that you could add something different from. Perhaps a sort of common people versus intergalactic gangsters backed by WY?
Answering the thing about the trailers to AC, they were crappy because they were misleading and showed a better movie than we were given. I doubt that the movie would have been better just by having more action in it because the problems would still have been the same. One action-scene was with David and Walter, but it was still, yeah whatever since the android-parts wasn't what I watched it for.
The idea of a robot that starts to become self-aware and becomes a threat could work if you put it in the background as a part of the movie and have better human characters and have more humans versus monster-moments. For that to work you got to care about the characters and not just throw the monsters in there like Scott did. Covenant to me is more like Alien R in quality rather than Alien kind of quality, I'm not joking even though it's better than AR but that's not a huge achievement.
“So i think the Initial Box Office Numbers before Word of Mouth were LESS than i expected.”
Not surprising, they got rid of the Engineers, made it about an angry robot and had almost no characters worth a damn, plus they made the Xeno a creation of a bored robot. Not sure how anyone can't see how that will turn into average at best. Yeah, they replaced the Xeno-action with a long scene about fluting (yes I understand that they discussed creation there but what ever) which was long and slow. While the creation-theme isn't meaningless in itself it wasn't executed well.
Scott is not a writer, he can make great visuals but as far as the writing and the monster go, leave that to someone else because he isn't capable of handling that. It is doubtful that he will be involved in another alien-movie if we look at how the prequels turned out and that he had a huge part in what became of them. My guess about Scott's involvement and why I wrote that is because I try to imagine how the studio looks at it. Let him handle the visuals and that's it.
Spin-off or Franchise, whatever they decided it failed. They must have:
- Better human characters
- Less about robots
- Don't cut character-parts to get a run-time (both prequels are proof of that)
- Let the writers write, not the director
- No Ripley
BD:
I can do fine without Xenos as long as the story and the characters are well done. The Xenos and military seems like a copy of Aliens even though it hasn't got to be the case. Hopefully it won't be some nostalgia just to play safe (like they know that Aliens did great so they'll try to repeat it, that would be lazy). You could have Aliens and guns but take it into some other direction, just because movies have things in common doesn’t mean that they are the same.
Having it on earth reminds me of the Eric Red story, it didn't seem too interesting and we also got AVPR. By having it on some other planet the environment is alien as in unknown, I think that you'll need that.
“25-75 Years before ALIEN then thats going to Contradict the First Movie and the Prequels”
Not if it's made like a what-if kind of thing. It could be an alternate time-line, that could work. Making it contradict the first movie would be bad, not as concerned about the prequels though because they are not very good but they have their fans. About your list I would go with 1 or two. Retcon things, the only thing that I am worried that they would retcon is the first three movies because I’m not sure how any of them would be improved. Stay away from Alien 1-3.
“(If it leads to the Company had Created the Xenomorph).”
Oh hell no! Having David being responsible for it is bad enough but having it being a direct result by humans would be even worse. I want the beginning of it to not be a result of human activity, directly or indirectly which is why the Engineers making it is a good idea.
The prequels have some good things like the world-building, new monsters, the black goo, and the Engineers. What they didn't suceed with was the characters in general and who was responsible for the Xeno.
“when you look at the WHOLE FRANCHISE you can see we are looking at Corporate Greed, Personal Gain, Indications of Corporate Rivalry, CREATION and the Hubris of doing this... Experimenting to Create/Engineer something and the Hubris/Hazard of such!”
This, I would like to see new life-forms, new worlds, maybe new companies, new characters that are well-written and well-executed. You can have more than Ripley and Xenos is my point.
You can have about genetic stuff, the marines and warfare, corporations, and so on. Not sure if it would be about androids a lot, Covenant made me lose interest in that but you can have it as a small part of the story.
What if science is used for bad purposes, this is what the goo can be seen as partially, but you can make other things by using the same theme. You need more than interesting themes for it to work, you need a story and the characters. Ideas are not enough, which the prequels show - interesting ideas, poor result.
I won't bother with what kind of world that David would create, I'm done with him being the main-point. Throw it away and make something new with characters that I can support. You can have interesting ideas but the story and characters got to work. Prometheus and Covenant had interesting ideas and the stories were not totally wrong but the focus and the human characters were mostly wrong (they are mixed bags) and that's why we have what we have.
A TV-series could be a good thing but once again story and characters. Even the Xenos isn't what it should be about. The Xenos should be kept to just some scenes if you ask me.
“Have they got a Movie in the Works?”
With the pandemic going on? Who knows? I could do good with fewer effects if they get the story and characters right. They have many effects in the Transformer-movies and they are what they are.
I wouldn't mind if they would go beyond the Xenos but what I want and what most people into the franchise want might be different things maybe.
Corporate fuckery is a part of the franchise so that could be brought up at least in part. We don't have to stick with WY, we can have something new but not anything that exists in real life but something like a symbol for what's real.
NinXeno426:
You can look at old comics as one of the things to find inspiration from but you can look around for other things also. People can look up to political figures to find inspiration from and the same goes for material to movies. Be open to different ideas, combine them and make your own version but don't make a copy of something that is old.
“By blending both the timeless horror of the first Alien film with the non-stop action of the second, it’s going to be a scary thrill ride that will blow people back in their seats.”
I'm afraid that it will be like when Scott said that Alien Covenant would scare the crap out of people, which was an exaggeration. They need a good story and characters to get that right and focus on the human experience. A good point seems to be that they will not focus on some android-garbage.
Alien-things usually get the surroundings right, so I'm not worried about that. AVPR is an exception because it's crap. Even the surroundings in AR is alright but that can't save the movie from being a parody.
Keep the monsters in the dark, you know that it's there but you don't know where. It's almost like when you're a kid and go down in the basement, you're afraid of things but you can't see where they are so you make things up in your head.
Will it be the best since Alien 3? Maybe but I doubt it, at least I hope that it will be better that we have seen coming after 1992. Don't get your hopes too high is my point or else you'll likely be disappointed.
DK: “Disney never gave me anything worthwhile since I was four years old”
Fucking hell DK! That was hilarious, it gave me repetitive laughter. This is from Star Wars episode 4 but I think that it kind of fits
Obi-wan: “Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough but your uncle wouldn’t allow it” *Gives him the first Alien-movie*
Where does the franchise go. Go indicates something that is moving, moving is into the future, the light-saber was given in the future to Luke, so I think that it fits.
Another one: “Until they give us interesting stories and characters we are fucked.”
1, 2, and 3 are good but then it became too much about the look and having creatures and less about the humans. Even though the prequels are alright in general they suffer the same thing, interesting stories but mostly lame characters. Alien Covenant became too much about the androids and had mostly poorly done characters and therefore failed. If I would only have to pick one favorite it would be Alien 3.
My list is like this
1. Alien 3 (the assembly cut is my favorite and then the theatrical)
2. Alien
3. Aliens
4. Prometheus and Alien Covenant to the same degree. Prometheus looks better but the characters are better in Covenant. Both movies fail with characters
5. AR
6. AVP
7. AVPR - Alien Versus Poop Rising
AVPR is so bad it doesn't even have a story. It has some random scenes put together in whatever order for about 90 minutes. What an absolute stinker. Prometheus and Covenant are kind of equal in quality, unfortunately, but are masterpieces compared to AVPR. There are probably fan-edits that make them better.
BD: Prometheus better than Alien 3? Why? Having different opinions is fine, I just wonder why you put it before Alien 3 because to me it doesn't even come close. I mostly watch the assembly cut, it's better.
Gotten rather serious 'round here lately?
It is nice to see some levity around here again.
Right. Can't say I plan on watching Requiem (or AVP for that matter) anytime in the foreseeable future. They're right there with Colonial Marines in my "I'm done with you" pile.
I wouldn't waste time watching AVPR just to rip it apart unless it received the MST3K treatment. For a 90 ish minute movie, I could see at least 10 good shorts from DUST or Omeleto in that time allotment.
Let's try again. I already sent this but my connection dropped and now I'm looking at a small comment box and a white scified background lol.
The only time I loved AVP was when I was 14 and I saw it opening weekend in theaters. It came out in time for my 15th birthday and good god I remember being so bored and yawning through most of it lol. I've had it on DVD for almost 16 years and have watched it probably 4 maybe 5 times since. I've watched Covenant that many times in 3 and a half years. Covenant has it's fare share of weaknesses but I manage to enjoy it. Only time I didn't really enjoy it was when I saw it in theaters. In AVP's defense, the last time I watched was the least I hated it since I first saw it. Perhaps it's a grower?
Requiem I last watched about four years ago. Actually right around the time I joined which was shortly after Christmas 2016, right after the Covenant trailer dropped. I watched it with my sister and we had a blast tearing it apart lmao. It's only really good for an ironic viewing lol.
Duplicate post, my signal sucks today
Well Guys thats the Rough Synopsis for the First Three Episodes its just a Basic Pitch so Needs Fleshing Out with Character Names etc... the Idea is a Slow Build Up we can gain some Background on Characters and Parties at Play.
I have the Rough Pitch for the First 6 Episodes its the 7th when the USARC are involved and then they go and take a Specimen to a Secret Base, the Survivors of the Salvage Ship Charon refuse to give Details of where they had their Encounter.... but another Salvage Team in Future will Discover the Wreckage of the Charon
The Next 3 Episodes are... (and i will explain them latter).
EP04 The Cecaelias
EP05 Hystera
EP06 Dreadnaught
However the Dreadnaught may be Moved a Few Latter like 7th or 8th... Idea is for 10-12 Episodes
Regarding the Beast.... well it makes its Appearance in EP4 and maybe this would have to be a 2 Part or the 2nd Part given a Different Name as the Beast Ravages the Salvage Ship before it is Sunk... This Beast is NOT the same as the Xenomorph... but YES it will try and Egg Morph its Victims.
The Egg Morphs i am thinking that ONE maybe Taken to a USARC Research Ship the Beast from this would be a LITTLE different to the Beast from the Spores/Pods.
But there would also be another Beast that is Gestating in a Survivor of the Charon Salvage Ship.. something thats more like our Xenomorph.
With EP03 Awakening i am Considering that its a Tremor that causes the Team Member to Fall into the Pit of Pods. This can be USED as a Plot Device to have the Leviathan/Dreadnaught sink into a Chasm.
Which could make me Rename EP06 Dreadnaught to something else as it is the Conclusion that the Sunken ALIEN Ship carries a Dreaded Cargo.. but it may stay... but i think that the Exploration again of the Dreadnaught is maybe there to Explore in a Season Two ;)
"Alien universe shorts like IGN"
Ideally this is what i would have DONE.. take Elements of the BEST of them, and Expand to make a 6-10 Episode Story set say between 2150-2200
EDIT
Looking at some Concepts from the Prequels and some Work also done by Neville Page i could imagine a Amalgamation that could Produce something like this for The Cecaelias
PS i apologize if this is Going Off Topic... i may take these Ideas to a New Topic if thats Easier.
ok guys i had thought about HOW you could do a ALIEN Series in the NOT to Distant Time-Line... here is the Rough Synopsis and Name for the First 6 Episodes.... after the 5th is where it begins to become something more Familiar with our Beast from ALIEN.
The Broad Synopsis is in 2047 after the Loss of Project Daedalus a Search and Rescue Team go looking in the Bermuda Triangle for the Wreckage of the USARC Daedalus but what they Discover is Truly out of this WORLD. The Team Accidentally Awaken a Starbeast from its Slumber.
EP01: Daedalus Down
In 2047 the Experimental USARC Daedalus is due to make its Return Trip from the SUN, a Ship that OPENS UP the Possibility of Interstellar Travel to become a Reality. On re-entry to Earth the Ship suffers a Malfunction and heads towards the Bermuda Triangle where it Disappears.
The United States Astronomical Research Corporation goes to dispatch a Salvage Team to go to where the Last Signal from the Daedalus in the Hope of recovering the Valuable Ship and its Data.
EP02: Leviathan
A Deep Sea Salvage Team are sent to the Last known Coordinates of the Downed Interstellar USARC Daedalus. Where they Fail to locate where the Starship could have Landed, but they Detect something else as they close in on what their Sensors Detect as a Large Object, it becomes Apparent they have Discovered something HUGE that is Partially Buried at the Bottom of the Sea.
EP03: Awakening
After Surveying the Wreckage and having trouble contacting HQ the Salvage Teams Leader gives the Order to go and Investigate. A Team of Three go down in a DSSRV (Deep Sea Salvage and Reconnaissance Vehicle). As they Probe the ALIEN looking Wreckage (has a Familiar Aesthetic to us) they Discover what looks like a Entrance and they make there way inside.
Inside they are in awe at what they see, a Construction that is Nothing like what they have seen before, Bonelike Architecture/Construction that looks somewhat Mechanical and somewhat Organic. One of the Team wants to Head Back as they dont know what they are Dealing with but the 2nd in Command says they have a Job to do and they Continue to Explore.
EP03: Awakening
The USARC manage to Contact the Salvage Ship Charon about the Progress of the Search but the Ships Captain/Team Leader decides to say they have yet to Find anything and LIE about the Discovery of the Buried Wreckage they Found so they can keep it to themselves for a while and Claim Salvage Rights.
Meanwhile the Team that went down to Explore the Sunken Leviathan continue their Exploration, until they seem to Activate some Door that OPENS... after they Notice some Hieroglyphs and Cuneiform and go close for a Study. They then go down a Passage where the Ship has been Sealed from Water, but it soon Starts to Fill.
They detect the Inside of the Ship has Oxygen Levels, but then as they go to Explore they detect some Faint CO2 and Notice a Strange Green Mist that has a Illuminated Glow.
One of the Team Proceeds ahead while the others Wait back in Caution, saying that maybe they should get out, as the Water is coming in Fast. The Team Member who had gone to Investigate the Mist, takes a look at the Section Covered in the Mist, and Notices something... strange like Cocoons, he says that he has seen something that look like Strange Fruit, like a Coconut, then he slips on a Surface that has became WET with the Water and Falls into the Mist.
Upon Close Inspection these are NOT like Coconuts they are Strange Cocoon like Pods, a Brownish Green. As the Team Member gets up he places his Hand and Touches one and then Notices his Hands kind of Sink into its Flesh and leaves a Imprint. As he Calls out to the others to come and take a Look, he takes his Eye Off the Prize and then all of a Sudden it OPENS and some kind of Cephalopod looking Organism it Latches onto his Face Plate and he Struggles with the Creature, has he Climbs out of the Pit, he Falls to the Floor. The other Team Rush to him and Discover the Organism has somehow managed to make a Hole in his Helmets Visor.
The remaining Team Members Discus/Argue over what to do, the One Member says look we Need his Helmet in Tact as it has Recordings of our Search, this Place is Filling with Water Fast and could make a 2nd Reconnaissance more Difficult. They Notice that his LIFE SIGNS are Fine and see the Cephalopod looking Creature Pulsating/Breathing.
What have they AWAKENED?
The Team Manage to get the Victim back to the DSSRV and Head to the Surface.
HULU would do well by basically making Alien universe shorts like IGN did to start with. See what the viewer reception is like before investing and diving into something almost no one will like.
It think it depends on if we are looking at LIKE, or Really Like or Dont Mind ;)
And i HATE ALIENS!!! Joke... it has Grown Less on me, over the Years, while ALIEN 3 has Grown on me... about 20 Years ago i thought Aliens was Great and Alien 3 and Alien R kinda Sucked!
I gonna have to say for me its maybe 3/6, but then the maybe it could be 4/6.... Not Inc the AVP Movies if i did add them then AVP has NOT Quite done enough for me to make it a 4/5 out of the 8.
I i was put on the Spot i would have this Order...
ALIEN, ALIENS, Prometheus, Alien 3, (Alien Covenant, Alien Resurrection and AVP kinda Tied i cant think which Order Next) and thats it... what you mean there was ONE i have Missed? LOL
Maybe Difficult for some of the Writers they Hired in the Franchise too ;)
It's easy to see how it could be difficult for anyone unfamiliar with the franchise.
@RogerG
I had same Concerns.... but then i had to THINK about how they could NOT give us that, or Conflict but still give us the Xenomorph in the 21st Century.
I gave it thought LAST NIGHT and came up with a Few Ideas to HOW they could PULL it off that i will Submit after in this TOPIC.
" Give us the xeno, Marines, engineers, etc. I basically said as much a year ago: streaming is the way to go"
I am Disappointed in you DK ;)
But then such Popcorn ;) could work if we had it set say 50 Years after ALIENS... but say prior to 2100 then Gosh No! lol
There is a WAY for a WAR OF THE WORLDS... but i dont think most the Writers they had can THINK OUTSIDE the Box! Prometheus had opened the Door to the Galaxy showing we are NOT alone... and WHO is to say that the Earth is the ONLY Place where Mankind Live in Context to say RIGHT NOW in Context to the Franchise that is... But if we gonna go all Independence Day then unless we are to REMOVE say Alien Resurrection as Canon.... then such a Plot would be BEST to be surely after 2200 and ideally after 2400 ;) The Earth is Recovering from Disaster... its a MESS....... USM most likely wanted the Xenomorph to USE as a Weapon to Turn the Tide/Gain Control for a Specific Faction...
And just when the Earth is in Ruin in many Places... then the ENGINEERS go and ROCK UP... this route i would take.
I will submit later HOW i would go about the TV Show and maybe i am NOT that FAR OFF what we could get... as i be Busy in a bit.... but here are a Few Episode Names.. in Random Order.
Leviathan, Daedalus Down, Dreadnaught, The Cecaelias, Awakening.... thats 5 of the First 6 but in a Random Order ;)
"You are not worried about the timeline between Prometheus/Covenant and Alien. But you're worried about the TV show timeline. Why?"
Good Point... i will agree that Prometheus and Covenant have NOT so much caused a Conflict but more so it has left a LOT of Loose Ends.. Certainly, especially in regards to WHY BOTHER with LV-426 and then NOT after the Nostromo Mission when you have LV-223 and Planet 4 and WHO KNOWS where else David and his Experiments would END UP.
So yes the Prequels do kind of Effect and Raise Questions regarding ALIEN.
The Concerns with the TV Show are NOT really so much that IF we get our Classic or Aliens Xenomorph then it would make it UNLIKELY that David was the Creator (we had discussed HOW this could work if the Pathogen in Time and Circumstances could REVERT back to Pure Xeno-Strain).
It was MAINLY in how having Xenomorphs on Earth before we have ALIEN is something that would Step on the Toes a little in regards to it seemed that W-Y in say 2100-2120 had NOT known much about the Xenomorph that lead to Special Order 937 (But with AC that could lead to them knowing a BIT MORE) because it seemed they knew something in ALIEN but its NOT like they knew a LOT or had been able to Study the Organism... which is WHY they wanted it.
I find it Unnecessary to go for such a PLOT... however when you are looking at the Fall Out of Alien Covenant and the Current Pandemic then to go and Spend BIG on a Box Office Movie is a RISK.... and so a TV Show with maybe Budget Restrictions to PLAY IT SAFER
And so from a Financial POV then having a PLOT that is SET on Earth and some time before the ALIEN Franchise does mean that you would NOT need as BIG a Budget for Futuristic Technology, Space Ships and Cities etc... Also a Lack of Advanced Tech would mean a Conflict with the Xenomorph makes Mankind have a even Lesser Hand to Play... the Chips would be Stacked more against them... than if the Xenomorphs had been up against Military Might of Earth say in 2200.
so i can see WHY this makes sense for Disney, it also would maybe ATTRACT a New Audience to the Franchise.
"As I said earlier, an experienced writer can easily put things together and explain"
I have to agree if they have a Good Writer who Considers any Potential Conflict (We cant cant Xenomorphs and Engineers Rocking up in New York Circa 2040). Then yes some Clever and well thought Writing could give us a WAY to have the Xenomorph and NOT cause a Conflict.
I have been thinking and have to NOT look at the Worse Case which could be AVPR like... and so if we take the Independence Day Plot.... this reveals in Context to that Movie that the 1947 Roswell Incident and Area 51 are Connected to the ALIEN INVASION that comes in 1996.
But most people are NOT aware of this Alien Species until the Mass Invasion in 1996. And so what i am getting at is that YES with Clever and Careful writing then they could have a PLOT where we had Encountered the Xenomorph before on a SMALL SCALE and that in the Aftermath, they Abandon what they was doing and COVER IT UP and Brush it Under the Carpet.
When you think about that then the FURTHER back from ALIEN that you go, then maybe the More Likely and Plausible that Evidence and Records of the EVENT would become LOST.... (well Buried) so to speak.
And so i have to think Positive and with the Right Writer then YES it could work..... if we have some TEAM that Discovers something, and its Brought to a like Area 51 type Secret Base, maybe FAR FAR from Civilization or a Remote Area..... then $£%£$ HITS THE FAN!
But in the END its Contained and maybe as Janek said... they NUKE the Outpost/Area and then COVER IT UP. That would work ;)
And Last Night i even had a IDEA to HOW they could do it and Change things a Little than Generic Egg. (but something VERY similar to our Xenomorph will Appear/Feature).
Regarding BUDGET and Speculation then YES we cant be sure as ONLY those working on the Project would know, i HOWEVER cant see it being Massive.... so NO like The Mandalorian and i DOUBT it would be like Star Trek Discovery (maybe a Few Episodes could hit the $8M mark).
But thats merely Speculation... i dont know what the Budget will be, but REGARDLESS.... i think that having a Earth in say 2030-2050 Plot means LESS SPEND on Certain things which means MORE MONEY for the Actual Monsters/Aliens and odd ALIEN Ship/Outpost Scenes ;)
So i think i Need to have some Faith... and if its a Flop, well i guess i can just Pretend it was a Alternative Universe lol But HOPEFULLY it will do well, even IF the Plot is NOT something that would be for me.... they DONT and should NOT go make a TV Show to Please the Few ;)
Yes, that’s the correct answer: A____ Resurrection.
I had to wait for the third clue before I got it (the actual question was: what’s 4th in this sequence, with the clues revealed one by one). It’s not called TV’s hardest quiz for nothing!
I don't watch much tele, but this puzzle sounds fun. The basic stab would be the Trilogy with each being separated by 4 spaces possibly nodding to the 4th- Resurrection.
What was the actual answer?
AVP is decent. AVPR is one of the worst movies ever made. There are no two ways about it.
My ratio was the quadrilogy and official prequels.
Gotta correct myself. 6 out of 8 lol (I'm an idiot and miscounted)
I like the quadrilogy and the prequels. The AVP's not so much. It's been just about 4 years since I last watched Requiem which I only slightly like better than AVP thanks to Wolf Predator. But it's so bad it makes the worst Friday the 13th's look like masterpieces lol. About 3 and a half years since I watched AVP. That one I just find dull.
I like Darkstar (I consider it Alien 0), Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 (I like many of its concepts but didn't like the overall story ), AVPR (somewhat, I like it better than AVP'04), Prometheus, and Alien Covenant
I see it a bit like BlackAnt does. Put it out there on HULU and mix it up. Give us the xeno, Marines, engineers, etc. I basically said as much a year ago: streaming is the way to go. Let HULU throw it at the wall and see what sticks. If I don't like it, I will quit watching. Simple as that.
I like the Quadrilogy warts and all. The prequels, not enough to re watch. So I guess my ratio is 4:6. (get it, 4:6 lol).
Right on the money Setavarde. I used Outland as an example last year. Check this out.
This has me really interested and excited. I unfortunately haven't seen any of Noah Hawley's work, but I've heard great things about it.
Finally, good news in 2020.
I hope we all Stay Alive to watch this TV show.
Perhaps, the new company on earth is the CON-AM company of the 1981 movie "Outland", starred by Sir Sean Connery.
You are not worried about the timeline between Prometheus/Covenant and Alien. But you're worried about the TV show timeline. Why?
Trying to calculate budget and time is a bit absurd, and if you are not involved in the project, then you are just doing overthinking. As I said earlier, an experienced writer can easily put things together and explain.
I also don’t know what kind of conflict you are talking about?
The things that gave us the prequels are not complete and, frankly, look liquid - all the knowledge of Prometheus/Covenant can be interpreted as you like without conflicts with other films, works.
I think exploring the Mythology is Interesting and EVENTUALLY its where you may have to go... even if we have a REBOOT on our Hands.
The Prequels had began to do this, but not so much Regarding our Xenomorph... what kind of Mythology is there about this Beast... or is it merely a Engineered Weapon/Bi-Product from something GREATER?
I think eventually you would have to introduce the Space Jockey/Engineer as far as MORE about them but again this is TRICKY to do, Certainly a WAR OF THE WORLDS if its to be around Earth and NOT to Conflict with the Franchise. I think the Prequels had OPENED the Door.
To me a Concern i have with the TV Show is... "ok guys we gonna go and make a ALIEN TV Show, but we may be on a Budget"
No Problem... "If we make it on Earth and in the Not too Distant Future we would NOT need to Spend as much on Effects etc"
Ok...and HOW do we introduce the Xenomorph "if we have a Set Up First and Slowly introduce it after a Few Episodes and keep it to the Dark like ALIEN, then the last Few Closing Episodes we can UNLEASH more of them and we USE our Budget Saved for those Action and Alien scenes"
My concern is the TIME-LINE but i Understand that a Earth Circa say 2030-2040 would be FAR Cheaper than a Futuristic Earth say in 2150-2200
But then maybe the Discovery would be like AVP (swap Temple for Buried ALIEN Outpost or ALIEN Sunken Ship) minus the Predators... and then when the Xenomorphs Break Out of Containment/Storage then will it be like AVPR without the Predators?
Quick and shameless bump because it was buried.
Again I agree. I'm more interested in exploring Alien mythology than I am yet another story about Weyland Yutani trying and ultimately failing to obtain the xenomorph. Just depends on what Disney thinks is more viable.
To Continue....
In Context to the TV Show the Concern i have with Conflicting with the Franchise is that i GOT the Impression that in 2122 the Company did-not have much Information on the Xenomorph, it Certainly did-not seem like it was something that they was Aware of for like 10+ Years prior to ALIEN.
And so for me its a case of WHEN are they going to SET the TV Show, and WHERE do they Encounter the Xenomorph and in WHAT level of Exposure?
Because it seemed with ALIEN the Company/Mankind was NOT really aware of the Xenomorph, well what Contact and Information they had it appeared would have been Scarce and Recent. (like up to 10 Years) with the Prequels then this Changes somewhat.... to like about 20 Years
I can However Understand the Setting if this is the Case, a Predator Movie like Predator 2 and The Predator is Cheaper to make set in the Current Time Period than say in a FUTURISTIC EARTH say in 2100-2200.
This is WHY say AVPR was NOT going to be too Expensive Compared to say being set on a ALIEN WORLD, or in Space etc.
Well i am HOPEFUL the TV Show would NOT be as AWFUL as AVPR was lol
so the BIG QUESTIONS have to be the Following.
1) When is the TV Show Set? 2030-290?
2) How and WHERE do they Encounter the Xenomorph?
3) What would be the AFTERMATH?, surely Years after we MUST see a Loss of the Specimen and a Cover Up?
@ninXeno426
some Good Points... i do think the TV shows with Star Wars do HELP to Expand the Franchise, but we need to remember that ALIEN is more Limited. With Star Wars you have MANY WORLDS and Races and a Long Time Line to explore.
With ALIEN of we IGNORE the Prequels then we have like a 100 Year Window... up to 300 Leading to Alien R and we are LEFT with LV-426 and with that being BUST then it appears (Theatrically) that this leaves the Company with NOTHING... until the USM go and Clone Ripley.
so if your going to keep it to Earth/LV-426 then you may END UP with Incontinuity and Conflicts with the Franchise. Which is WHY i think the Prequels had LET the Franchise out of the BOX that Theatrically it was STUCK IN.
There is more to Explore in the Franchise than Xenomorphs but it comes down to IF it would be Accepted as a ALIEN Franchise if we have NONE!
What i am Saying is the Mandalorian may NOT be about the Skywalkers... but in Context to ALIEN thats really like removing RIPLEY... it may NOT be too Heavy on the FORCE etc.
But with ALIEN its a case of for some and the Casual Viewer then if you remove the ALIEN (Xenomorph) then you dont have a ALIEN Franchise. To me the Prequels had OPENED UP that their is Potentially a LOT out there that is ALIEN!
"They are not going to give up any properties"
I think Certainly they would Explore things from the Prequels in Terms of other Medium, but i do think in regards to Theatrically then i SUSPECT they may choose to at LEAST go and Ignore the Prequels (at least AC maybe) by Ignore maybe they will just NOT go and Connect rather than to DISPEL them.
Ridley Scott seemed to Indicate its Unlikely that Disney would Continue with anything related to the Prequels, so for me its CONCERN.... but i agree that this does-not mean that the Prequels will be Removed from Canon... Only TIME will tell on that Front.
For me i think that in Part then YES the Prequels are Flawed but for me what i liked was they tried to OPEN UP the Franchise and take it out of the BOX it has been Stuck in Theatrically because i think there is ONLY so much you can do regarding Humans vs Xenomorphs, if things are NOT really changed a bit from what we have already seen..
"But didn't Ridley Scott do the same with the Covenant in relation to Prometheus?"
Indeed thats kind of what i said earlier well it was what i mean, in that EACH time we get a New Movie we get Changes and each Director/Writer would put their own SPIN on it and maybe NOT consider how it Effects the other Movies.
I think some things are NOT so much a Conflict or Contradiction and so with Prometheus the MAIN thing that is Inconsistent would be the Aesthetic and Scale of the Engineers/Ships. Compared to the Space Jockey and Derelict.
I think that Alien Covenant was more Guilty of Treading on the Toes of ALIEN if you would by Virtue that IF the intended route was that without the Experiments that David had Conducted on Planet 4 then there would be NOTHING on LV-426. Which i think Conflicts with ALIEN by Virtue of that the Derelict etc does-not look like its been Sitting on LV-426 for like Less than 10-20 Years.
So on BOTH of those accounts it seemed that RS was NOT to Concerned with HOW they would NOT seem to FIT with what we saw in ALIEN.
I got to agree with BigDave on this one. It's highly likely Disney will ignore the prequels. My case in point is Star Wars. If you go back to "The Journey to The Force Awakens" Disney's whole advertising campaign was about making sure it was more like the movies everyone loved meaning the original trilogy. We're five years past that movie and 5 Star Wars films since. Yes the prequels have most certainly seen a resurgence in popularity among the fanbase thanks to the extremely divided response to these sequels as well as the success of Clone Wars season 7. Not to mention The Mandalorian continuing to reveal significant ties. For the most part though they are STILL neglected and ignored by Disney with very little marketing material based around them. Disney is still in "base everything in and around the original trilogy" mode. I can go anywhere and see the same images of characters first introduced 40 years ago on everything. And if it isn't Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie, or Darth Vader on everything its Mandalorian characters. I don't see Anakin, Ewan McGregor's Obi Wan, Padme, General Grievous etc nearly as much. Even allThe new games steer clear of the era. They're only being acknowledged because people like Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau cared more about George's vision than Disney who only ever wanted money and played it safe as possible.
Star Wars remains an example of what to possibly expect from their handling of Alien. If Disney still cares very little about doing Star Wars prequel tie ins or even merchandise, then they definitely won't have any problems ignoring Ridley Scott's already unpopular prequels.
