Interesting about the new trailer, thanks for the post. Sorry that I can’t answer your question but I can add some perspective on it.

Unfortunately it was cut too fast, you didn’t get to see a scene that lasted more than maybe two seconds? Compare it to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ5lPt9edzQ

That is the original trailer, you see that they spend much more time on individual shots. I must say that I find that way to be better, the modern thing feels rushed.

Rushing things was one of the complaint that a host on the Perfect Organism podcast had about Scott. I can see what he means when I see that example of the updated trailer. They simply bombard us with images. Not to say that we need to spend 30 second on one shot but slow it down a little.

Agree with LETO on this.....the Sulaco was well designed for its time and still looks good to this day in my opinion....as well as the large Atmospheric Processing planet....."it's a rock no indigenous life." So no engineers there...and if they are there the place was nuked.

I like many of the designs in Aliens....the weapons....the lab, the inside of the ship....the sleep chambers, the WY complex......that was a cool movie overall for its time.....would challenge anyone to do better. Say what you will about Cameron but he gets stuff done! The Alien Queen Priceless special effects....but hey if anyone wants to throw it all under the bus I really could care less....its not going to stop me from enjoying it one bit.....

Anyone seen or heard from BIG DAVE!.....BigDave where are you old Chap!!!!!!

wtf?! Hadley's Hope has one of the best & most recognizable sci-fi designs.

Same designer, so I guess he ripped off himself.

That is a great observation, but I agree with Leto. If it were the case that it was Engineer technology, that brings up the question of why the people there never mentioned it (I am referring to the Director's Cut).

I have always think that the lower parts of the processor with strange shapes were the work of xenomorphs, i.e. their socket.

Although the idea is intriguing, it is not.

The reactor was covered in xenomorph slime.

The atmospheric processor was designed by Ron Cobb for Aliens (1986)

Based on the concept art, and Ron Cobb's approach to such things, it's likely it was always intended to be Human technology

You mean The Last Duel, The Duelists was his debut film.

Information on IMDB is not official, it is taken from media articles and rumors, so we have to wait for an officisl announcement. Until now we have nothing.

BlackAnt

Yeah, you nailed it alright. 

And you also pointed out everything I WON'T be doing in the ALIEN: Manticore sequel...

Because The Audience Deserves BETTER.

That's how I see it. That's what I run with.

In Space, There Is No Place To Run.

RBW is an example of how NOT to do sci-fi.

I respectfully disagree. Sci-fi has many avenues of approach. 

There are types of sci-fi I don't like, but others may love that stuff that I hate- and we can argue that.

If we are free thinkers, we can debate- but I don't agree with the notion of saying how sci-fi should be done. As much as some things in sci-fi that I hate, I understand they are enjoyed by others.

It is understandable that comes from a writer's POV, but I am coming from a fan POV.

I'll stand happily with RS.

However, despite RS's involvement with RBW, I can't watch it. He might have directed two eps, but the rest is a trainwreck out of his hands.

Then there's the guy behind it all with NO plan...

I stand with RS...the other guys involved with RBW, they're riding his coat-tails, and that's just disgusting....they're parasites, they're just using his name.

RBW season 1 is complete. Two weeks from now I'll be watchig it.

You can go ahead with HBO Max free trial if still available.

I have still only seen the first RBW episode and am holding out for the series to be complete. I know there are haters and lovers- I don't care. I want to see it.

It's sort of like music. You might dislike a song or two but you love the album as a whole.

It seems most of the RBW haters are the haters of the prequels and I suspect the finger is for them too.

I believe Ridley is deeply frustrated he could not go ahead with his plans for Prometheus 2 and Alien Covenant 2.

dk fully agree with your post above. I could not have said it better.

If there are films that I know are not for my taste, I simply don't watch them.

Go Ridley!

I try to imagine things from Scott's POV. With his long career, there have always been fans and haters- but enough fans to keep him going. At his age, I can sort of relate and can agree with his big middle finger to haters. If you don't like his work, don't watch it. You don't have to bitch about it too because it doesn't check all of your personal fan boxes.

I can hate all over the prequels although I like them in general for what they are, but there are fans who think they are great. 

Should someone write a story to appease the masses and cash in or a story he/she wants to tell? All out or a compromise?

Go Ridley! I might not be on board with everything but I will check it out. I know it's not all about me.

I wonder if he is a closet Overkill fan:

OHHHHHH Roger G, me thinks you have drank the coooool aid that is RS! 

You said this is the best thing RS has done in a long time???????? Well hummmm a good part of the planet disagrees that is all I'm saying....I could be wrong too.

If we are looking at putting the BigChap in a coffin then we might as well look at how we got here.....

Alien.....space truckers get woke up by evil computer and get chased around ship unit the last one is left and out the air lock he goessssssssssssss....I really really really like a nice little bow wrapping it all up in the end....nice and neat.

Aliens.......this guy has more friends to help him chase the landing party/crew all over the place here and there and then the twist. One crew member goes back for the little brat, I would have had Bishop making cocktails on the Sulaco after dealing with just one of those things 40 years ago!!! Vaya Con Dios BABY GURLl! BUT THAT IS JUST HOW I ROLL! LOL ;) 

I would have just literally gone back up to the safety of the marine ship and got drunk, for a very long time, after all that nonsense and.....

have Bishop give me a nice pedicure - a GURL can dream right LOL!!!!

Anyway our protagonist goes back down gets BABYGURL and flushes MOMMA ALIEN OUT THE AIR LOCK AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2nd Time PEOPLE! Just sayin it's a little sus now!

Alien 3....our protagonist gets chased around and around, and around, again because hey why not someone lets it out!!!!
Ok then she bites the bullet in a bigOLLLL swan dive! Love a nice neat little bow at the end to wrap it all up.

Alien 4 - @#$%!^@%#^@&@#$*@#$# This sure is some confusing @sssss shit now! LOOOOOL

SHE IS THE ALIEN NOW AND GETS CHASED AROUND THE SHIP UNTIL THEY SQUEEZ A Bigger CHAP OUT AGAIN!!!

AGAIN WHATS WITH THE DECOMPRESSION....YOU WOULD THINK THESE ALIENS KNOW ALL ABOUT THE DECOMPRESSION MOVE!!! NO! NO THEY DON'T BUT THE AUDIENCE DOES~! SMALL PROFFESSIONAL SCREEM! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! All better now. 

Prometheus - crew looks around too much as usual, cause hey why not! gotta have a look around! and then one is left and gets chased by the BIG BLUE lookin guy....bet his tee off on the 9th is spectacular with big-0LLLL guns like that!

Alien Covenant.....this is a more traditional lets look around......awe geee because we are here anyway and then they too all get hit over the head one by one....hint, even the evil robot is in on it too, and then two of them get chased....GET READY FOR IT....BRACE YOURSELFS....THOSE TWO GET CHASED TO AN AIRLOCK WHERE THE DECOMPRESSION STARTS AND THIS BIGCHAP GETS SUCKED INTO THE VACUM OF SPACE AGAIN!!!!!!!.....and much to our amazement, the nice woke Gen Y generation....yep she fakes him out this super predator right out just at the right MOMENT because its GEN Y and they got it like that - they faked us right out of our cash again at the box office too! Then she goes and has a drink and some pancakes.....before bedtime....DOUBLE FAKE....poor Gen Y you almost had us think THAT WOKE BS was believable.

I have a theory why this is happening! I call it the "Oh Shit I found a spot on my favorite clothing, have to try and wash that shit out!" Plot routine.

OBTW the alien-predictor moves are all the same too.

Everyone gets chased one by one and then there is a battle - interestingly no WOOOOOSH at the end though - RED PILL OR BLUE PILL? The Matrix is real people!

So that is how we got here flushing the BigChap down the box office toilet because we did not use the right stain remover....if it says on the tube will remove Alien, and when to push the right button to decompress the area....you most likely have one of those cheap department store Alien removers! Do not buy that BS! This is for you too Gen Y, can see you shaking your heads out there saying..."We don't fall for stuff like that - too woke for that BS!!! AHHHHH MORE BS FROM GEN-Y!!!"

There are other better stain removers....or if you are privileged!!!! you just go buy a NEW SHIP and NEW CREW and you keep the disco ball going round and round.....but most of us are on that budget so its some cheap, really cheap cheap cheap - stain remover.....or a trip to try and find some even cheaper stain remover that also will not work.

PLOT ANOMALY ALERT!!!! BRACE YOURSELVES!!!!!

A noteworthy departure from the norm because hey why not if you have the money and Privilege?"

Privileged Weyland does just that in AC. He buys a new ship new crew sleeps all the way there and sleeps all the way up until they walk right up to the BigChaps handler and then CONK like Donky Kong over the head no more privilege.....Gen Y secretly likes this part but does not know why....CLUELESS!!! But somehow Priceless for those older and wise enough to know better.

WooooooooooooooooSSSSSHHHHHHH! Sorry BigOLLChap! 

BONUS!!! GIVE THIS GUY SOME LOVE AND SUPPORT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXSH05wqraU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQP3TqjftVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D38MyN5GkXM

"Now that you’ve watched the first season of the HBO Max series Raised by Wolves, I’m sure you have a lot of questions. Like what exactly is Mother’s baby? Why did everyone want to go to Kepler-22b? What is up with that pentagonal temple? Why hasn’t Campion been affected by the radioactive food? What exactly are the visions everyone keeps seeing? What’s going on with the creatures that are devolving? How did the ship survive going through the middle of the planet? And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. The fact is, Raised by Wolves Season 1 was loaded with WTF moments and tons of intriguing mysteries, which made for a thrilling ride.

Image via HBO Max

Thankfully, shortly after watching the finale, I landed an extended interview with creator and showrunner  Aaron Guzikowski where no question was off limits."

https://collider.com/raised-by-wolves-spoiler-interview-aaron-guzikowski-season-1-finale-season-2/

Thoughts_Dreams

Everything you just said...yeah, you and I have a shared perspective on things, that's for sure!!

RBW is getting as much mileage as it can off RS's name, as it has NO merits of it's own to stand on.

dk

Ty for the spam reporting, I was kind of out of it then, wasn't sure what I was looking at.

BlackAnt

I agree with you and Thank-You for the URL checker link! I keep my system's security at near-maximum, and that allows me some pretty decent safety. 

BUT, you are RIGHT about playing it safe online!!

BTW LOVED the gifs!! :D

SuperAlien

Leto

BlackAnt

Having a 'spam report' button would be really handy!

As for BigDave, I am getting worried, and hope with all my heart and soul he's just away for a bit doing something he enjoys. I try not to think about other possibilities...

Thoughts_Dreams

ALIEN: Resurrection was a pure popcorn-movie-moneygrab, plain and simple. It had some fun and cool visuals, I enjoyed some of the characters and dialogue...but yeah, it was a pretty Obvious moneygrab.

Giler & Hill feed each other's egos, and seriously they are driven expressly by such. They EXPECT everyone to see things the way they see them and think like they do. Problem is, they're formula-driven dinosaurs and the formula they rely on has been obsolete for decades. Think of them as Prototypes of Rian Johnson and James Cameron...no real talent or creativity, they rip off ideas, mutilate them, then slap their name on the results and demand tribute from the audience to their 'genius'.

...and that's the NICEST things I can about those people.

I've seen other interviews with Dianne O'Bannon, and love her perspective on him!

The problem with Daniels is they tried to remake Ripley but with softer edges and a 'naivete' added in...they ended up with a decent but unfocused character. She did her best with that character I have to give the actress her due and respect on that!

Having the creature aboard the ship after the battle aboard the cargo lifter was actually anti-climactic. Instead, they should have had more time working their way out of the structure, lots of shadows, some only seem to move...others do, and the protomorph stalking them...and some close-calls.

**They stop for a break, catch their breath, and one is leaning against a pillar with deep shadows on either side of it...that LOOK like it's solid wall...then after they push onward, from that shadow and JUST missing the character who leaned against the pillar that character ALMOST gets grabbed by a hand...ALMOST touches him/her.**

ORIGIN is damn tricky, and while it does give some insight and backstory...it also really emphasizes just how genuinely ALIEN the creature is, and the raw power of Nature itself.

It actually makes The Alien that much more frightening, really.

I will say this; The world that gave rise to the Alien was a world entirely outside Human scientific experience or even the most extreme and fanciful hypotheses/theories.
The world gave rise to Carbon and Silicon based life, which in time hybridized in many--but NOT all cases--giving rise to a planetary biosphere and ecologies that are...very challengingly ALIEN.
It has taken enormous work to put a foundation under it...going all the way back to the origin-point of life on that world...and it didn't involve the Engineers whatsoever, I assure you.

The above isn't a 'spoiler'...consider it a Primer. :D

The David-Protomorph...it's a big, mindless, rampaging animal with less smarts than a broken parking meter.

The Alien, is so much More. ;)

BWW:

Maybe it's a lot about marketing? Scott has been involved with a lot so he is a big name that can draw attention, also how they make it appear seems to be important. A lot of times the one with the biggest voice hasn't got a lot to say, it's just that it screams loud enough to be heard. Fan-creations can be better than official things that's why I look around for what fans do (podcasts, pictures, and so on) because they have the interest, to me that counts. Do a quick search for fan-art of the Space-jockey and you'll be surprised, it's impressive.

I'm a broken record on this but if the characters don't work then the TV-show or whatever doesn't work, for me at least. 1. Story 2. Characters 3. Themes, in that order

Roger G

Thoughts_Dreams

The Reddit link really sums up my take on RBW, and leaves with nothing else to add apart from that a friend of mine who really likes RBW finally read ALIEN: Manticore and The Lander...

Quote: "What you did, why aren't you working on RBW???"

Then things got really interesting as we started talking about RBW vs my amateur efforts...and in the end, my friend began to see through all the hype about RBW.

RBW is an example of how NOT to do sci-fi.

Thoughts_Dreams

All good points to be sure. The Fox corporate logo show you the lights "illuminating" or as in Lucifer the bearer of light. There are many more company logos with this illumination if you look for it correctly the path will be revealed. 

Disciples are believers...ask yourself the real question why you are here...about those horns...you ever seen any other depictions of angles with horns in any respect of any kind.

I always thought horns from the temple were for transmitting something....the many eyes are metaphors for computing....as in seeing the many routines. These are cyber depictions no doubt, and yes very beautifully done if I may say. Giger was a real master with bio-mechanics and the occult.

To say that no one practices the dark arts is well to say that the water is not wet. Many people practice various religions...why people would have a problem with these dark religions in these films is nonsense; but, I assure you, Giger's and Scott's intent was not to make the beast / BigChap appear angelic nor was it their intention ever to make anything associated with the alien safe in any way....all who come in contact with these demonic like things lose...

As far as what it takes from Kane, once again these are very complex metaphors. Language is a metaphor for a metaphor so you have to judge things by their actions...good is good - evil is evil...so forth and so on.

So it is in my best estimate we practice a type of dark art / religion when working so closely for decades at time with these films and what they really represent. 

I think it is ok to say you do not believe in any of these things....this may be a form of self deception....what if though? What if you are wrong - you are in a much different world than you have always believed....just because you see all the other people praying to one religion does not mean that the other is not worshiped in much different hidden ways. 

You really believe the masses know what they are witness to? Or do you believe everyone everywhere tells the complete truth at all times about everything in every way...and so it is with art and companies that produce it for the masses. There is more to this than you realize or you would have found it by now and understood it more fully.

Now of course a flashlight is just a flashlight....when you have thousands of companies putting this illumination in their logos those are not flashlights.....that is a Luciferian  cult!

Jdvyne:

There is the most fun explanation and you have the most logical. In sci-fi the most logical seems to be the way to go. When you go for the most fun option then it could fit into fantasy but not sci-fi which is supposed to be somewhat rooted in a plausible reality.

I agree that AC wasn't a very good movie, I wish that hey could have gone for something else although the idea of exploring other worlds isn't bad in itself. There were very few characters to care about also add to that the crappiness to make David the creator of the Xeno.

We have a problem that AC got made but they could maybe fix it, not sure how though. They should try to fix the Engineers and make them more interesting and mysterious and make some sort of difference between them and the SJ. I would find it alright if they make sure that David only created his own version of it and therefore not being that relevant to that part of the story.

David was better in Prometheus, they made his story worse in this movie. Making him the creator of the Xeno was one thing and to make the second part almost only about him was really bad.

“But this explanation would be to difficult for a lay-audience from the US I guess.”

Probably from anywhere as long as you don’t know much about how that works. I’m not sure if I would be able to totally understand it.

Black Ant:

“... this is depiction of an evil God of some kind…”

You can probably draw comparisons if you want, doesn't mean that was the intention of those that wrote it. Cain was a person in the bible, Kane is in Alien, coincidence? I don't know but at least the names are close to each-other but then Kane is as little tied to the guy in the Bible as he is to a candy-cane, it's just that they sound similar.

“It is impossible for us to know what it has really taken from Kane!”

That kind of reminds me of the alien in Alien 3. It took traits from the one that it was birthed from (ox or dog depending on what version that you watch), interesting that you mentioned it even though I'm not sure if that was your intention. David in Covenant, yeah but I think that comes from Scott since he seems to be interested in religion. You can be interested in it from a cultural perspective but you don't need to believe in it.
“You all were meant to be here to have opened a gateway. You have all already opened this gate; but, a gate into what? You all have been deceived all of you.”

One could look at it like that but then it can be interpreted in many ways.

Disciples, Fox? That was fun :D

You mention the scene between David and Weyland, actually that was kind of interesting. Maybe they could have had more scenes with Weyland in it to show who he was, what he did before they went to the Prometheus mission, for example. Eventually they could have made him more interesting in Alien Covenant by adding those few extra bits in it so we could make more sense of him in Prometheus and therefore he would have become more interesting in retrospect and improved Covenant? These are just some ideas of what could have been done but it seems to be a moot point by now.

I've never looked at the horns on the Giger painting as being a metaphor for the devil, but it could be argued that it has some relevance but then I could be totally wrong. At least the horns look cool in that painting.

BWW

Thanks! I would rather have them referencing her in AR rather than to have the Ripley-clone, at least it wouldn't have thrown crap at her character. One could argue that it wasn't really Ripley but at least it was a strong enough connection but I don't really like it is my point. Even though this isn't supposed to be about AR I got to say that there are so many things that are wrong with that movie so I won't bother to make a list, LOL! We could both probably come up with a kind of long list about what they did wrong.

About Giler and Hiller, you mention on a personal level. I don't know them so I can't say but I can tell you that my guess for what ever it's worth is that producers often can screw up a movie, Alien 3 being maybe the most extreme example of that. Fincher being disrespected by the studio is one of the few things that I don’t like about Alien 3.

You mention O’Bannon, Perfect Organism podcast is an Alien-podcast about the franchise. They interviewed Dianne O’Bannon, the one that he was married to. Here is the page where you can download that episode:

https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/page/5/

Less is more, I think that it's at its most effective where you don't really see what it does. This is partially why Alien works and honestly I don't mind that you don't see the monster that much because to me it's about the human experience anyways. When you see Daniels fight with it outside the ship in AC it’s a cool fight-scene but it’s kind of lame to show the monster out in the open so to me that scene is mixed so to speak. BWW, you’re a writer, can you explain to me that character-traits of Daniels? I didn’t get them when I watched AC she was a bit tough like Ripley but other than that I didn’t know what her personality was like. What’s your impression of her? Still after all these years I still scratch my head at that. Oram was a lot better than Daniels because at least I got an idea what he was about.

Instead of an Alien Covenant you could have it being around and them trying to escape it, or something. They can see signs of it (saliva or what ever) that makes them scared, but they don’t really see it, that could build tension and paranoia. Maybe they get so scared they start to question their sanity? Have it being so scary so it causes mental issues, how about that? Let it be about how you can start to doubt your sanity when you get really afraid.

Explaining it a bit more isn’t wrong but you mention where it came from and so on. Doesn’t that risk to strip it off its mystery? How will you handle that? I don’t say that it’s a bad thing but it’s risky. You mention an evolutionary-adaptive reason, that seems interesting. David made his own version but it is not The alien as you said, that’s my preferred way of looking at it.

I know that a discussion place doesn’t always give a fair indication of what people think but if you look at this thread on Reddit it seems to be divisive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/scifi/comments/it6pm8/raised_by_wolves_seems_really_bad/

I think that I'm on a creative streak. How about this?

"I dug deep and put in a massive amount of work to... " dig the snot out of my nose. You can also get rich by doing it. ;)

@dk and everyone - Bwaahahhahahahahahahahahaaahaahahhahahah

PWONED - LMAO "learn how to make 1.20 a minute!!!"

Ok serious time now......Big Dave is gone missing for real this time...anyone know or seen from Big Dave and if so let us know his where abouts.

Big Dave never goes missing for this long send out the search parties!

Does anyone think ________? I cannot even bring myself to say it.....for the love of GOD SOMEONE DO SOMETHING!!!!!

Nightmare this is an absolute nightmare....this is now starting to feel like the movie Alien...we are all on that ship!!!!!!

Yeah, you must be extremely careful with these spammers. It would be nice to have a button for spam alert.

BigDave, where are you? Hope you are well and return as soon as possible. 

Miss your wisdom and your posts!

BlackAnt This looks like the most creative spam I have seen. Shall it be reported?

We actually did a parody spam thread a while back lol. It was very much the fun!

https://www.scified.com/topic/44899