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Thoughts_Dreams

I'm running more and more into unwanted limitation of personal intellectual performance, memory-slips, and other negative effects due to The Enemy.

So I have to prioritize where my efforts go nowadays--fingers crossed the plan of attack solves this problem and kills the little bastard on Nov 11,

But, as I have at least one 'Yes' the way is clear and it will continue getting my efforts. :)

I'm a bit slowed-up these days, again fingers crossed things normalize post-treatment, because this is like working with half my brain functional and the other half all 'glitchy' and causing problems.

Expect ORIGIN to be released just before Halloween so it can be read and enjoyed on October 31st. :)

...and Thank-You for casting your vote. (HUG)

Fifield: "Oh! Alien corpses! I didn’t sign up for this and go back to the ship. I want to talk with miss Vickers about the bonus situation. NOW."

Thought_Dreams,

Very interesting topic....here is a quick snippet of the scene for anyone that needs to refresh their memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU9Iamk9EfY

Fifield, the geologist character is explosively reactive at times. As to your point of him being a scientist and not so rational I would stipulate there was a disconnect in constructing his character. 

You are correct in your assumption that those outbursts are just not something the rest of the crew would tolerate. There would be no need for a hot head like Fifield on such an important mission. So his character is completely out of place to such an astute observer such as yourself and many others. 

Before we really get into this for everyone that will read this let's all just assume that I am applying a technique to another art form here - film making. So often more than not there would obviously need to be some refinement - testing to see how it would translate onto the big screen.

In simpler terms we are going to put on our thinking caps and become human PARSERS on the fly to put a better filter on this scene hopefully for our viewers at home and anyone new to the website "Let's continue shall we," as you hear David's sly almost whimsical sinister gentle as a lamb devilish incantation.

So we no longer want a reactionary hot headed Fifield or at least that is what we are aiming for in this tiny objective.

In painting there is a formulation called the rule of thirds. It states that almost all the visual images depicted in the 2D surface conform to 1/3 regressive and progressive aspect ratios within the over all construct of the painting....also commonly referred to as the golden ratio-rule....still being applied to this day with vantage point in modern realism in modern master works. Enough about painting ok we get the idea how harmony works in concert with this technique.

So now we know we do not want Fifield to point out so much. We have to make him less noticeable from the rest of the crew, at least when he speaks because he sounds like a Fk! in nut not a scientist on one of the most important secret missions. In simpler terms we want him more within the boundaries of the 1/3 ratio of all other aspects of all the other crews behaviors and onscreen mannerisms. 

So lets do just that then lets just replay the scene in the projector in our minds and lets hear Fifield deliver lines much less infuriating, explosive, and reactionary. His goal then is to sound more similar to the crew yet be different and get his point across.

I envision Fifield more calm, more calm than Jenek the captain, cool calm, and much more collected.  

Fifield, "Na I'm out of here," a little more self centered but not to critical....less urgency.

"I care about rocks," way more calm he is easing into it for starters waiting for a little more momentum until the end.

"I'm just a geologist...I like rocks I love rocks," a little more emphasis here but not too much and he is cool and rational, clever, just like Dr. Shaw and the rest of them.

"Now it's clear (twist - substitution) since you all do not care as much about geology and you have all these giant dead bodies to occupy yourselves with I will be going back to the SHIP anyone want to join me, hey? you staying?????" as he takes large introspective inhale of ??? then no explosive outburst and now said with a bit of snarky cleverness instead.

These lines delivered correctly, with sound effects, lighting to give a more dramatic conflict to his lack of mission worthy attitude, and the new "filter," and I think we would have had a more streamlined character that everyone could relate to. 

Fifield's character is completely out of place for many reasons, not just because of the bull shit lines these poor writers gave him to begin with....this has more to do with the fast expensive shots, reshoots, and the director on a timeline with a budget on the sound stage with very large numbers $$$$$$$$ ticking off in his mind at every interstitial moment while everyone is onset.....these are enormously complex operations on these gigantic expensive soundstages. 

Something like this should never happen in filmmaking...I do not think that it was deliberate as it was sloppy film making and the director did not care....there is every good reason for Fifield to not stick out as much and blend in with the rest of the rational crew.

This is true because these are slow walks through the haunted house....just like in Alien the original....you contrast Fifield with any other character in the entire franchise and nothing rings true. 

Each of these scenes works in concert or they do not. You can get these explosive lines out of these great actors who will say what you want them to, but why? So if the guy is an A-Hole instantly for no reason than he is there just doing his job. He is never there to argue how he thinks someone else's art should be filmed. These actors will do just about anything you want them to do as long as you give them good structured material to work with in the first place.

And that is my .02 cents worth.

I also dont think the Xeno from Aliens was mindless they was acting as far as a purpose within its Hive Colony and they actually showed a lot of intelligence and out thinking the Humans on LV 426 on more than one occation.

BWW

“and if RS has an issue with my perspective, he can go f**k himself up the ass with a nuclear jackhammer.”

I’m sorry, I’m not sure if I understand. Did you say that you like RBW? ;)

BWW:

Trouble? Why?

I want to read it, it’s probably better than the David-story.

Yes is the answer

Svanya: Fair enough, I looked up the thread that I think caused that situation and I can see both sides of the argument. Maybe I'll leave that place alone, never mind.

BlackAnt A WY series could be very dark and sinister without even seeing a xeno- we have seen that angle before. Some aren't into the machinations of WY but I think it could be very interesting. I like the idea of an organization with an agenda hoodwinking the public of something like "building better worlds."  I like the idea of people trying to survive or doing the "right" thing while being unaware or barely having the thought that they are mere pawns of a bigger picture of which they are unaware. Maybe one or two characters have a clue but don't have all the pieces to put it together. There in-lies the tension.

BlackAnt

That's one of the truly lovely things about the ALIEN Universe...even now, decades later, we're still finding new ways to enjoy it, new facets of what it is.

David, I liked him in Prometheus, but the incarnation in AC, just felt...'wrong' somehow...like a character based off David, but NOT David...y'know??

I agree regarding the need for some truly Dark characters in ALIEN. But they must be complex and interesting, and with actors that can handle them properly in a manner akin to how Hopkins handled his role as Hannibal Lecter, that calibre of work, and also applies fully to the Narrative of course also, otherwise as you said it 'loses it's punch'.

In the ALIEN universe there has to be all manner of Dark and Interesting places that make the Mos Eisley cantina look like a preschool. ;)

@BWW and DK,

"As you say, it has that beautiful darkness that others lack."

"The Alien franchise has a different and darker vibe that appeals to me that the others lack. It seems like there is a desire for darker content that Alien always had."

Interesting points....I too never looked at the entire Alien franchise in this way until now...so obviously I have been watching this stuff for 40 years not even knowing what I really like about the work inherently.

Which brings me to my next thing. What would you think about much darker characters in anything Alien? David seems sinister like he is off his rocker, like a crazed house wife who has been cheated on....I sort of think David's character was a bit of sham in AC....now that I said that it would have just worked better for me if he was more deliberate with his evil side.

So for me a much darker set of characters would take place in a WY corporate show....where different parts of the company are going at each other....and they really do not like each other. So they do stuff and it is very dark and very dramatic because hey why not! It is the future and every possible nasty thing can happen in the future with technology. We always think that the show is about this creature...I bet with some clever writing we could see some really nasty tech being used a 100 years from now.

The descriptive narrative has to be there though....we have to care about the danger these characters face or the deployment of said mechanisms lose their full punch.

Also would like a dark bar scene in WY, something similar to SW but with just a range of human characters all dark, sinister, the music just right, with that sharp edge of hard danger.   

dk

SW is popcorn-space-fantasy...fun, but pretty much just a roller-coaster ride.

ST; ITD, well I managed to cherry-pick some things from ST 2009 and ITD for my own use after re-interpretation.

ST; Beyond...I started leaving. STD and I started running. 

Now, I stay in my own realms and ALIEN, where it's dark and comfy :D

As you say, it has that beautiful darkness that others lack, and that SW and ST will never have. They're trying to grasp it, but they're basically hoping to catch the same lightning in a bottle intentionally--and it's NOT working for ST.

The Mandalorian benefits from we've always known the Outer Rim Areas and assorted other places in SW have a dark and dangerous side. Mos Eisley spaceport, slavery and all that stuff.

Still...they will never have the Beautiful Darkness unique to ALIEN, because they never started off with such, and ALIEN did...it's all about Beginnings, not mid-course changes.

@Everyone. She was a member here a longtime ago. She had requested that nothing of hers be linked to Scified, please respect her wishes. Thank you. 

I think it comes back to memorable characters and SW lost me at Ep 1 back in 2003 ish. ST lost me at ITD. They didn't click with me, so I gave up.

The Alien franchise has a different and darker vibe that appeals to me that the others lack. It seems like there is a desire for darker content that Alien always had. SW and ST seem to be playing catch up.

Why ALIEN: Manticore exists:

Manticore and it's crew I borrowed from a Unique realm of my own.

New ALIEN-universe films and works are slow to come as we all know...and I sought to fill the gap while we wait.

Manticore actually worked better in the ALIEN-universe than I ever could have hoped...though hardly a surprise when I think about it as that realm was inspired by the ALIEN-Universe.

I have zero influence with the Industry, but I can do what i can to give the fandom something to enjoy while we all wait. I'm NOT Ridley scott...NOwhere even remotely close, but I do take a large amount of inspiration from him and his body of work, from which I have learned a lot and continue to do so.

RBW is what it is...but RS is a Mentor, intentionally or not, that's what he is, to me at least.

BlackAnt

In the words of Douglas Adams:

DON'T PANIC

We're simply speaking of the other franchises for purpose of comparative analysis regarding state-of-situation regarding the ALIEN franchise, that's all.

So, take a deep breath, chill, and don't worry about it it's not a primary narrative-shift, merely comparative-analysis.

More and more these days the ALIEN franchise is more and more where I choose to stay and dwell within. It's far more Interesting than any of the others, it's complex and realistic and exists in a vast galaxy where Humanity is really only JUST beginning to take it's first steps into the dark and empty spaces between the stars.

For me, the opening credits of ALIEN, I always keep coming back to...the music, the visuals..the MOOD and tone of it...it's something special, beautiful and dark and elegantly understated.

Whenever I start to feel like I am drifting away from what ALIEN is...I rewatch the opening, and that gives me back my footing.

To me, ALIEN is not about the Creature. It's about Humanity facing the darkness that it's entirely unprepared for. It's about trying to retain Humanity when facing mind-bending horror out in the vastness where NO help exists nor could ever arrive in time.

It's about the very concept of that word; A L I E N.

This is what makes this universe special, and why it stands apart from all others, gloriously understated, darkly elegant, quietly horrifying and deeply thought-provoking.

And I love being here enjoying it alongside the rest of you.

...and if anyone knows how to reach out to Big Dave, please do so and extend to him all the Love and Best Regards we have for him.

I know I am not the only one worried about him.

What in the Sam HILLLL is ahhhh going on here!!!!

Star Wars, Star Trek, the Orville show????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOw did'nt we all just agree not to sashay and banter about all these other NON ALIEN SHOWS!!!

This is how I feel right now!!! Can't talk about Alien most of the time on this chat....and then I get beat over the head by RS himself!!! telling me how great RBW is and why we should like that flaming dumpster fire of a pile horse SHITE!!!

WELL NO MORE!

Now I know there has not been a lot of news about the new prequel but that does not mean we just start bringing up Star Wars.....you all know how bad the last movie was....it was soooooo bad (AND I WILL WATCH JUST ABOUT ANY SCI-FI MOVIE! ANY!!!!!)

I had to fast forward through 95% of the film...only 15 minutes was barely watchable....now back in the day I used to watch it but not no more!!!!! 

That is all some woke nonsense BS!....OHHHHH THIS JUST BAKES MY COOKIES!!! coming here and we cannot get together and be sensible about ALIEN STUFF!!! 

BAKES MY COOOOOOOOOOOOOOKIES!!!!!!!!

dk

Time will tell with The Orville

STD and Picard though...as bad as things got with SW, it was never the absolute travesties that are STD and Picard.

SW turned on it's fandom, attacking them...and they learned a valuable and expensive lesson.

CBS-Paramount...they seem to be deeply committed to The Stupid.

Bad as SW got, I'm willing to hear out the apology as they work now to rebuild the relationship with the Fandom.

CBS-Paramount has openly stated they don't give a damn about the ST fandom.

Blackwinter-witch Wars and Trek have been out of hand for a long time. I think The Orville was on the right track, but not sure if anything will ever happen with it.

BlackAnt

At least they didn't mention Star Trek...

A franchise I have resolutely and forever walked away from.

As bad as some things in the ALIENverse are, it's nowhere near as horrifically asinine as STD.

How dare anyone!!! HOW DARE THEY MENTION STAR WARS AROUND THESE PARTS!!!!

This is ALIEN country around here.....now lets not have any more of that "Star Bores stuff" being bantered around!!!

In Australia all Star Wars content is via Disney Plus.  As Disney Plus seems to be geared towards family entertainment, I'm not sure there's a place for some of the Fox catalogue.  At the moment a lot of it is available through Foxtel (Australian cable service) which also airs HBO content.

Ohhhhhhh my it is just going Round & Round in here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u8teXR8VE4

I know we can work it out though!

BWahahahahaahhaahhahhahahhahahaa....

WTF!!!! LOL

Okay...ORIGIN is in trouble.

Some folks want to read it, others think I am violating 'canon' LOL what there is of it...

Let me know what you think:

YES or NO to finishing it and publishing it.

I am leaving this work's fate in the hands of YOU, the Audience.

and if RS has an issue with my perspective, he can go f**k himself up the ass with a nuclear jackhammer.

RBW is absolutely fucking dread-awful.

Roger G

 I very recently watched all of RBW's eps in order, one after another.

I am seriously considering suing RBW's creator for compensation of the time wasted on that shitfest nonsense.

RBW is...it's a criminal waste of a person's time.

Thoughts_Dreams

 I reach beyond.

I spoke of carbon and Silicon based life as well as Hybridization.

"I will say this; The world that gave rise to the Alien was a world entirely outside Human scientific experience or even the most extreme and fanciful hypotheses/theories.
The world gave rise to Carbon and Silicon based life, which in time hybridized in many--but NOT all cases--giving rise to a planetary biosphere and ecologies that are...very challengingly ALIEN.
It has taken enormous work to put a foundation under it...going all the way back to the origin-point of life on that world...and it didn't involve the Engineers whatsoever, I assure you.

The above isn't a 'spoiler'...consider it a Primer. :D"

 In contemplating 'where' The Alien came from...I built a world, and an entire planetary Biosphere. 

All of which 'reverse engineered' from The Alien. 

WHY does it have the Omnicorrosive liquid?
WHY do facehuggers have the ability to secrete acid and burn through a faceplate?
WHY does The Alien have such an Alien life cycle and Ovomorphing?
These and about a thousand other points--I am NOT exaggerating--needed to be answered.

 Not that anyone really cares...but I will complete ORIGIN and let YOU, the Audience decide from there.

Frankly though, I expect folks to follow the Narrative that David created the Xenomorphs and time-travel allows him to be The Space Jockey.

Whatever...NOT my problem. I will finish it, and leave it to the Audience.

Now, about the fucktard...and this is the nicest that I have to say about Cameron...
Cameron's a hack...at best. Avatar, he ripped off battles of Native Americans vs US Army (Battle of Wounded Knee) and dressed it up with visual Fx.

 I am Metis, Half-Blood Native (Blackfoot) and we see right through Cameron's crap.
He STOLE our history and redressed it to be 'Avatar'.
Terminator, he stole from Harlan Ellison.

Cameron's a thief, and a pathetic wanker-boi with an ego that just doesn't stop, and Avatar is so deep in the financial hole there's NO way it can ever be profitable.

Avatar is absolute garbage, pure and simple...it's a hate-crime vs. science fiction and Native History.

RBW is trash.

It's not original, it's not unique, and people are waking up to the fact that it's a parasite off other works.

RBW was a failed effort by it's creator to ride all the way to the Bank on RS's name.

For your consideration.

The ORIGINAL trailer.

https://youtu.be/LjLamj-b0I8

The walls of the 'egg cave' are identical to those in the chamber above (a result of having re-used the set).  So either it's part of the Derelict or an Engineer complex like the pyramids on LV-223.  (And Ridley talks about the bomber thing on one of his commentaries from memory).

Either way, the similarity to an Alien hive is only very superficial.

Good idea. Make it a community in a large space station, claustrophobic, with little need for CGI.

The original is much better. It doesn't retell the movie and shows just enough to make viewers interested.

Roger G

About a delay with getting another Alien movie. I honestly would rather have them abandoning the prequels instead of getting another movie about David. Sure they could do another one if they have more about the Engineers, well-made human characters in the script and on-screen, not about the android, and make sure that David didn't create the Xeno. The last one is probably the most important thing right now. It’s sad that it has now become about damage-control.

DK

“You don't have to bitch about it too because it doesn't check all of your personal fan boxes.”

The thing is, people should be allowed to say if they don’t like a TV-show, movie, or whatever it is, right? My point is, if someone makes for example a mug especially if they go commercial about it then they should also be able to handle that people might dislike it. As soon as you get outside you’ll hear different opinions and if you can’t stand it then maybe stay away? I don’t say that he is dumb or bad, but he should be prepared and accept that everyone will not agree with him.

“Should someone write a story to appease the masses and cash in or a story he/she wants to tell? All out or a compromise?”

No, but be prepared for the fact that not everyone will enjoy it.

BWW

You are right about AR, I think that is one of the things that it did wrong. Actually they mentioned exactly that at a podcast when they said that what they disliked about it. One of the hosts put the comedy-thing as something that he disliked. What's hilarious about that episode is that no one put anybody down for disliking it, that got me laughing. :D

Daniels as being an unfocused character, I can see that. Maybe that was why I didn't really understood her character? The problem is that I got to understand what the character is about from the start and if they will change then I got to see what that change is. With Daniels I saw traits but she was too vague. I want characters where I can understand their personality preferably some minutes into the movie from when they are introduced. After that the character might change (Darth Vader is a perfect example of that) but done in a way so I understand their personality, their motivation, for example. If they fail with that in the writing and/or execution then I won't like it.

The only movie by Rian Johnson that I've watched is The Last Jedi. I got frustrated that they killed Luke, that’s my biggest problem with it but it's enough for me to not watch it again. Unfortunately there were other things in it that I didn’t like but that was my biggest problem. Not sure if I will watch any of his other movies, it was a bad introduction to him as a writer since he wrote it (I looked it up). Doing things in a different way hasn't got to be bad, it depends on what you do and how you do it.

James Cameron, I’ve watched Avatar, Terminator 1 & 2, Aliens, and Titanic. Those movies are good for entertainment, but they’re not bad.
I like the idea of just seeing shadows, that would’ve been creepy. It could be like you see something but you’re not sure what. That could be creepy and fit an alien-movie, they should maybe try it.

Other kind of biospheres could be interesting, maybe there are environments where the alien are better suited for? They are very hard to kill (acid for blood and what not). What if there are places where they get even deadlier? I don’t think that it’s simply to just do that, it would be like making an action-movie and improve it by adding more guns, you need more than that but at least it’s an idea among other things that you could play around with.

You mention carbon-based life, carbon is on earth and is therefore familiar. The trick I think is to take something in nature (if we talk sci-fi) and twist it enough so it feels unfamiliar and therefore scary. My point is that it’s possible but it takes some work.

“The Alien, is so much More. ;)”

Fair enough, the thing is to make it work.

It's an interesting idea, although I doubt it.

“it seems that they are not part of the ship but a structure underground.”

Scott has at different times said that the ship (1979) was like a bombing-plane with the eggs being like bio-bombs. You can try to find interviews where he mentions that. This probably means that the derelict was big and the place where they found them was like a storage of some sort.

It's possible to question if the scale makes sense but that was the point of that room as far as I know. At least with how it looks it makes it more mysterious. Kane went down there and said that it was a cave of some sort but he probably compared it to what he had seen before, he could be mistaken. Keeping that comment in mind I find it reasonable that some people might not think that it is a part of the ship but I don't think that it is.

Unfortunately it can mean more about David if Scott is involved. I’m not very excited about this at all, have him as a producer, not director. Not sure if the information on IMDB is true but it worries me that he might make it about David again and therefore mess it up.

Having said this it's in itself fascinating to see how productive he is at that age. I can respect him for still doing this even though I’m not a fan of the alien-prequels in general.