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That 4th panel on the last page... It appears they re-used one of the Prometheus Engineer pyramid concepts by David Levy.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ayx0L

Nightwish

I believe this is the band, below, mentioned by Alan Dean Foster and the concert in his Updates.

"untapped plethora of ideas"

Word.  

Untapped Ideas

Walter had just moments in the Alien: Covenant Origins novel...David could have the same, small part in a novel about Planet 4.  A whole novel could be written covering the history of Planet 4 and it's significance to the Engineer and Human history before the Prometheus mission took place.

Yes, a connected history or one and the same that was verified by Dr. Shaw's DNA-comparison-in-between-genomes glass display for Charlie.  I believe that LV-223 and Planet 4 were connected in some way before the 2090's and that would be great to read about. 

"So there is like a Extending Crossing Story to be Told!"

Yes there is and please cover the inside of this ship above when discussing the Engineer's ways.  And what planet is this shown at the beginning of Prometheus?

" It's such a vast, untapped plethora of ideas and concepts and story angles"

Certainly is... we have to remember prior to the TWO Part Ending, the Last Day in the Life of the Prometheus we saw the Juggernaught Crash, we had the Engineer get Face Hugged and then Dr Shaw had Recovered Davids Head/Body.

*4 Days had passed since then and until Dr Shaw made the Warning Signal/Escaped LV-223 in a Juggernaught.

*The Crossing indicates that they must have recovered some Supplies/Parts and Equipment either from the Wreckage or more Likely the Life-Boat.

*The Crossing also indicates that Juggernaught was Drifting in Space for Months before Dr Shaw decided to place David back together.. Looking at Hair Growth we can assume at least 6 Months.

So there is like a Extending Crossing Story to be Told!

Then we come to the Arrival at Planet 4. And from Alien Covenant as well as Davids Notes etc.

*We know that Dr Shaw had NOT died in the Crash.

*The Bombardment had NOT infected every Fauna on Planet 4 or it had NOT infected them Permanently

*It would appear that some Engineers must have Survived, include Females and Infants.

*Dr Shaw's Body seemed in Good Preservation was this something David had managed to do, or a indication she had NOT been Dead for Too Long?

*It seems David had vastly Studied/Catalogued a lot of Flora/Fauna and had Conducted Quite a lot of Experiments.

So yeah over a 5-10 Year Period Following when they had left LV-223 then quite a NUMBER of events had taken Place.

Thats surely room for a Story that would be Suited more to a NOVEL

Regarding LOST ON PARADISE... even if its NOT connected to ALIEN which seems the case, who is to say that its NOT using some ideas that maybe ADF had install for such a Installment that was Scraped.

I cant help but think that Raised by Wolves may use quite a bit of the Plans that Ridley Scott had for the Alien Covenant sequel that seems Very Unlikely to ever be made.

I cant wait for the Synopsis to the LOST ON PARADISE Novel, be interesting to see what it is about.

This game will definitely revolutionize the franchise just like Alien: Isolation did with its intense atmosphere of space terror! Can not wait! 

I'm surprised he hasn't written one already, to be honest. It's such a vast, untapped plethora of ideas and concepts and story angles. You could make an entire series on David's journey alone during the events between Prometheus and Covenant.

Soz.  It'd be great if he did do a David/ Shaw story.

eeeewwwww, S.M is the bearer of bummeresque news...

Thank you for checking on if for us S.M.  

I like the battle between powerloader and xenomorph.

I just emailed ADF and asked him if it was Alien related and he said no.

I saw it. No spoliers... My girlfriend and I were the only people in the theater! The movie lacked plot and character development. It felt like it was originally aimed at a teen audience and then switched to be more adult at some point in production or vice versa. My gf who's not an Alien super fan like me at one point said "This movie is just like Alien!" at one point. If you guys see it, you'll know where she said this. It's definitely a heavily influenced/Alien ripoff as you can tell from the trailers but it's just enough different to be it's own movie. Lots of similarities that i saw. Kristen Stewart is essentially Alien 3 Ripley with her buzzcut for one. The movie's premise had potential and the cgi was ok but the lack of plot leaves me giving a 5/10. It was fun movie but that might just be because I had a theater to myself with my gf haha.

I would agree with that Chris....  maybe SM has acquired further knowledge. Only Time will Tell.... maybe its wishful thinking?

But Certainly i think such a Story (Journey/Fate of Dr Shaw and Davids Shenanigans all those Years Alone) does WARRANT a Novel at some point.

Is LOST ON PARADISE this Story?  I guess we have to wait for Confirmation of what the Novel is really about.  I would suspect that SM may not be wrong though... they are usually quite Spot On with things like this.

Which is Unfortunate News for us :(

It is still FUN to Speculate about what such a Novel could have Covered though ;)

I have always felt that the STARBEAST ideas could be Explored to Introduce another Species to the Franchise, one that maybe are the Enslaves or Creators of the Engineers, i mentioned this a Number of Years back prior to Alien Covenant but i am not sure it would be Fitting with the Revelation of Alien Covenant.

But None the Less maybe something ELSE could be Introduced still...  as Discussed in this Topic among others.

That Mythos behind the Species that had Created that Pyramid in the O'Bannon and Shusett Original Version of the Story.

I had always thought of how that could be Introduced in the Years following Prometheus

I even did a Poster ;)

It certainly appears to have links and could be a title related to Prometheus / Covenant. Or it's a really massive coincidence.

"Lost On Paradise is not Alien related"

Thanks for the Head Up SM

Sadly indeed as the Events prior to Alien Covenant do Warrant a Novel ;)  Guess that means i could try and work on one or at least Summit a Very Broad Synopsis... it will be something INTERESTING to discus as there is a LOT of Mystery as far as what Happened on Planet 4 and there is a LOT of Depth that could be added to what we had Vaguely been Shown.

Under the Circumstances this is a AMAZING Project.

Even if it never really makes it into a Released Game, surely Melentev has shown what he can do on his OWN and a Games Develop will hopefully sign him UP as this guy does Deserve to be Working in the Games Industry.

"then David must have been able to set the juggernaut down rather gently on the waterfall without jarring Dr. Shaw enough to kill her"

Well Wayne Haagg had suggested the Juggernaught and Scorpion Ship had a DUST UP (Battle) and this lead to BOTH Ships Crashing.

There is NO reason why Dr Shaw could not have survived with NOT even a Scratch.

But on Screen the events still have a lot of Mystery and could be Explored in ways different to what was said by Wayne Haagg, the Juggernaught could have Survived..

David goes on to deceive Dr Shaw as i had indicated in early Posts... and she Flees to the Juggernaught and SHE Crashes it as she attempts to LEAVE!

In the Drafts its indicated that something had Caused the Juggernauts to become stranded on Planet 4, some Protective Field in which the Covenant Crew had to Destroy the Devices above the Planets Poles so that the Rescue Mission could come down and TAKE them Off Planet 4.

So it could be explored that something Prevented the Engineer Ships from Leaving and upon seeing Dr Shaw attempt to Escape but see the Ship could NOT due to what ever is Activated... this could then explain WHY it is that David realized he was OFFICIALLY Stranded on Planet 4

Or she simply could have LOST control of the Ship for some other Reason..

"Why does Alan Dean Foster devote time to confirming Walter is collagen-based (DNA) opposed to a synthetic like David and where does that fit?"

It did seem in the Viral Videos that maybe Walter could be a Synthetic Construct like ELDON was in the Fire and Stone Comics.

Which if this is the CASE or similar, then a Walter Model could potentially be infected with the Black Goo, could it be Infected with a Face Hugger?  That could be a bit of a Stretch.

But i think there is some reason for WHY it is that Walter is Constructed differently and i would NOT be surprised if the Intention was that this would play some ROLE in how we get from Davids Xenomorph to the more Bio-Mechanical Version in the Franchise ;)

So i think a AMALGAMATION was on the Cards.... Hopefully those Responsible for Merging them will NOT be David or a Human but the Engineers or beings Related/Above to them.

I think while the Characters were Fleshed out better in the Prequel Novel, we have to remember you are NOT really restricted to a 2 Hour Screen Time with a Novel.

It does show that her Character has potential and Waterstone could pull off a more Fleshed Out Character if given the Chance.

With the Daniels Dilemma i am talking about how to Proceed and also in Context to HOW it is that she is aware of who Walter really is..

Daniels and Tennessee are the ONLY surviving Members of the Covenant Crew that we had been Shown...

This does-not mean that some of the Colonist could NOT be related to or Friends with some of the Covenant Crew that were KILLED on Planet 4 and so how would they React to the News that their Loved Ones had Perished and under the Circumstances that they had...

I would assume IF there are Relations/Friends in the Cryo-Pods then the ONLY way they would Find Out what really happened to their Loved Ones would be by Daniels and Tennessee as i would ASSUME that David would Charade as Walter and give a Different Version of Events.

I will have to try and Dig Up the Comment and Interview regarding the Engineers being the Originals but he 100% did make that Claim, among other things such as they Live for 150 Years and they are not a RACE but a Civilization.

These and other Comments regarding the Engineers after Alien Covenant could seem to Paint a Picture for us, but i guess we will NEVER know what his Intentions are any more.

By ahead of the Curve he means that Prometheus was not really about showing HOW the Xenomorph was Created and HOW it connects to the Engineers, it was  a Movie that was taking a look at other things and so it seemed he wanted to cover more about the Engineers and what their Agenda is as far as NOT just being about Creating Horrific Bio-Weapons to Unleash on Worlds and more so what the HELL had happened on LV-426...  But its these things that a lot of Fans are more Interested in.... which is the route that the Comics give which is just to make them a bit DUMB! and just are PISSED OFF with everything they Create and just go around Creating Xenomorphs and Stuff to KILL off what ever they Created..

I think RS was look at more DEPTH than that.... he wanted to STEER this Spin Off in a Direction thats AWAY from Eggs and Face Huggers and all that stuff.

I think maybe we have to wait and hope he if mentions anything related after he has Released his Raised by Wolves TV Series.

The Prometheus Plot was maybe too BOLD for the Alien Franchise especially in Context to Pop Corn Shoot Em Up version that a lot of the Comics, Games tend to revolve around and a ALIEN Prequel should have maybe just gone and made it SIMPLE and into a Starship Troopers with Queens, Eggs and Xenomorphs....

I think in Hindsight something a bit more ALIEN should have been Explored as far as what is ABOVE the Engineers, something more Lovecraftian but i doubt we would ever see anything like this.

"The problem with AC"

To a degree then YES as far as the Engineers would have been up to similar to what David had been up to in Alien Covenant.

Lost On Paradise is not Alien related.

Sadly.

Looking at the Cover again, then i guess we could wonder is this going to the Representation of the Space Jockey (well Dead Pilot) but it does-not look Skeletal, but then depending on the Temperature and Environment and Lack of Organic Life then a BODY should not really become a Skeleton anyway.  It should look more Mummified.  So it would be INTERESTING to see how they Portray the Dead Pilot, and Aesthetically what this RACE looks like and how Skeletal/Mummified it would appear as the Concepts Prior to Consulting HR Giger looked way more ALIEN and unlike a Humanoid at all.

But the Image on the Cover has that Ritualistic Pagan/Satanic look to it.  And so it could FIT more with some Ritual Sacrifice, its a case of is this a Sacrificed Being or some Effigy to some Entity/Species.

I wonder if we would see a Scene like Ron Cobb's drawing of the Sacrificial Chamber?

The Human Space suit design seems Similar to what we see in the COMIC.. so who knows. It surely would be Interesting to see what they draw in terms of to Illustrate the Story.

I also WONDER if in Future they could do a Comic Series on one of Jon Spaights early Alien Prequel Drafts either Alien Engineers or Alien Genesis?

Really thrilled to see this game nearing completion!

Added the trailer to the post! Welcome to the site!

it'd be great if trailer was ain the post) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCpr-aGh9zw

You're correct Leto.  

My point in regards to the Space Jockey's absence in the book is that many consider the book canon with this major missing item.  If memory serves, Alan Dean Foster wrote the novelization for Alien in a few weeks...applause for that by itself.

In regards to how "canon" is labeled.  Alex White cites "canon" books that Titan is putting out (here).  

While I might be more quick to label a written piece "canon" Mr. White goes on to cover the official classification from the publisher in the article, below.

"So when it comes to presenting this idea to Titan Books – who has a lot of these extended universe “Alien” books going back to the nineties – how much do you need to line up with what’s come before? Is there a story bible, do you need to connect to the cannon films?

Yes, I had to pitch to Titan and the idea needed to fit into the canon books they’re currently putting out. So I couldn’t just pitch any old thing, I had to really workshop the idea with the editor, Steve Saffel, before sending the pitch to FOX who have to give final approval."

Daniels had a great part in the Alien: Covenant Origins novel.  While the Covenant was being constructed and filled up with supplies for the trip in Earth orbit, Daniels led a team to track down a terrorist and used advanced technology to counter his intentions.  

Going back to the origins of the Covenant crew in the next segment of film or series would be a great direction in my opinion for Daniels, Jacob, Lope, and Rosenthal at the very least.  

If I had to chose, then we would concentrate on Lope and Rosenthal.  She saves his life right before her job interview in London with him not knowing who he is at the time.

"Dr Shaw could Discover that some Engineers had Survived and she would be ANGRY as if they had attempted to SAVE some of them, maybe they could have GIVEN some Answers!

When she Finally Faces David she would DEMAND some Answers and he would likely still try and LIE to a Degree. I would assume this is WHEN he declares to her that he is doing this for HER.... so he can Figure a Way so that he can Help her to Procreate and so they can START a NEW Eden.

At this POINT i would suspect that Dr Shaw has LOST any Trust for David and she would want NOTHING to do with his Plans and would TRY and Escape!"

Thank you for going back to this BigDave.  To try and reconcile Dr. Shaw's belongings in a room in the temple on Planet 4 (Alien: Covenant novelization), then David must have been able to set the juggernaut down rather gently on the waterfall without jarring Dr. Shaw enough to kill her.  

Daniels showed an example of this by hitter her face and causing her nose to bleed upon waking on the Covenant while it was shuttering.  

So, if David was able to set down the juggernaut gently and then waited to wake Dr. Shaw until years later on Planet 4 once the plague had settled down, the room in the temple can be explained.  

The Egg on Planet 4

"I'm not happy with David being the (co-)creator....I'd Rather it be an unanswered mystery. (cosmic horror...something from the great beyond...unknowable)"

I believe we are still in the dark in regards to a lot of details MonsterZero.  My point is that there may be quite a bit to still be happy about.  

What if David's studies on Planet 4 were responsible for something like the xenomorph line in Alien: The Cold Forge and the "trials", below, were a precursor to a modern version still under study yet to deploy as a weapon by the Company?   

The xenomorph origin could then still be intact (and the Space Jockey) as far as an unknown, pieces of Engineer history that they were ashamed of and tried to hide only for David to resurrect much later, below.  

This, I believe, ties to the Alien: Covenant novel explanation of the egg David appears to use as a template for his studies.  The biggest questions I have are:

Why Walter?

Why does Alan Dean Foster devote time to confirming Walter is collagen-based (DNA) opposed to a synthetic like David and where does that fit?

I'm sorry, but nowhere else I have not seen confirmation that the Engineers on the Planet 4 are originals.

"and that he was AHEAD of the Curve with Prometheus."

So, this means that RS wanted to put in Prometheus is even less information? Wow!

The problem with AC - this is what Prometheus was supposed to be. But with the replacement of several parts. David instead Walter. The Last Engineer instead the David-Moreau. Yes it is.

Nice to meet you mate!! and thanks!

"Accepting the Derelict and Eggs have NOT been on LV-426 for a VERY LONG TIME is something they would NOT accept..."

100% agree! This is far more interesting IMHO.

I don't think any origins of the xeno is going to be perfect.

I'm not happy with David being the (co-)creator....I'd Rather it be an unanswered mystery.  (cosmic horror...something from the great beyond...unknowable) 

I think AC was just uneven enough to bring all into question.

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Never heard of them, but hi! xD

Why, hello there.

No problem! If you need help with anything, just ask us.

Thanks dude! Glad to be a part of it!

It is an honor to have another G-fan on here. Welcome aboard, The Lone Rodent! We're all family here.

I would recommend them DK ;)

I think some UNUSED parts would make a Good Expansion into the Franchise... as far as take some of the UNUSED ideas and apply them to a Organism that Predates the Xenomorph and LV-223 Experiments.

HR Giger did some Good Concepts that for sure.... but i am not sure this COMIC would replicate or be influenced much on those.

The other Concepts were a bit COMICAL.... but the Sketch that O'Bannon did was interesting and i would SUSPECT that the MONSTER in this Comic Series could be more Based off O'Bannons Design.

The drafts describe a Tentacled Monster and so i think O'Bannon's design with some Tentacles could work.

I think if we look at O'Bannon's Design especially the Head, and we Merge it with this Concept for PARADISE.

Only 4 of the Upper Limbs are more Tentacles that could END with like either a Scythe like End, or Claw. With the other 2 Limbs having more of a HAND to them.

The Bottom of the Beast being like this other PARADISE Concept.

You would have something thats different that is more like a Evolution of the Ron Cobb design, merged with O'Bannon's but with some Tentacles as Described in the Draft ;)

I think thats some Good Points Monster Zero

I do think even IF we had a Prometheus Sequel that had indicated the Engineers had Created the Xenomorph then i think some Fans would still not be Happy.

In Hindsight the David as the Creator would be seen as a Mistake, i would not be sure if the Intention prior to 2015 would have been this Revelation, but it fits with the Larger Arc/Story and Theme that Ridley Scott was trying to push home.

So its a case of what is DONE is DONE and i would hope if they try and make another U-Turn then they try to do so in a way to NOT do much Harm to the Whole David Plot.

There could be ways they could Resolve this as in Terms of Damage Control.

You make a Good Point about Dangerous Organisms on Earth and Planet 4 could have had its Fair Share... but it seemed Pretty Much for a Long Time that the Xenomorph was considered more of a Bio-Weapon, be it something that was Engineered this way, or something that was Discovered and Found to be of USE in this way....

With the Engineers being a Space Fairing Race it would be UNWISE to keep such things on their Home-world.  By that i would assume WHEN we get to the Technology Level and Exploration of the Human Race in the ALIEN Franchise, then IF we was to start to mess about with Biological Warfare we would do so on another WORLD.  At the Moment and Recent History (last 100 years) thats NOT been possible and so we would Experiment with stuff on our Planet.. But as the Engineers have been Space Fairing for a LONG TIME i dont think they would Store and Experiment with such things on Planet 4.... thats not to say thats not the case.

However if the Engineers had some kind of Zoological Museum of Sorts were they could have Stored some Organisms they came across and a INERT Egg was one such Organism, then this could make a bit more Sense.

You could have David recall how he discovered such a thing in some Place on Planet 4 and some Notes about what it was and have him suggest that it appears the Engineers may have Experimented on this Organism on LV-223 to Extract Traits for some Purpose and then they had decided to Create Horrors based off it.

David could state that for all their Efforts, they had OVERLOOKED the Potential Perfection that the Organism had, and the Engineers had only just been Creating a Mockery of this Organism.

David could then say that he saw Potential with the Engineers Creations and the Experiments on LV-223 and the Neomorph Spores had Potential but lacked the Perfection of the Original Organism.   But David sees the Potential that the Original had, and with the INERT EGG

And using the Black Goo to extract DNA from the Dead Face Huger he found it HARD to replicate it, but when Crossing this with the other Experiments he had Carried out he had found a WAY to Merge this DNA with the Neomorph to Create a Hybrid... his Masterpiece.

He could then Mock the Engineers by saying they could NOT control the Original Xenomorph and were FOOLISH in trying to Engineer Horrors they could Control from it....  But that David has Engineered a Version that he can Control.

This could be the Better way to go such a Route rather than having David Discover a Active Egg or Eggs as then you have to ASK why does he bother with other Experiments?

It does-not make the Engineers seem as Foolish, it makes the Xenomorph Ancient again, but it also shows that David has managed to Perfect the Organism.  Then again some Fans will ONLY be happy at having David just Create a Poor Knock Off... well maybe you cant always have your CAKE and Eat It!

The ONLY real Conflicting thing about such a Route is that Davids Workshop and Especially Notes seem to show that he has take the Deacon DNA and Neomorph and by using the Black Goo he has USED various other Organisms for Certain Traits that when all Combined and Merged with the Neomorph/Deacon we get the Xenomorph he Created.

I have said this a Number of Times... it should be LEFT as such and Explained as Such... (what Davids Notes Suggest).

We are left with a Xenomorph that is NOT quite there yet, it looks a bit Different....   This then leaves it for Future Movies to then introduce the Engineers or a Race that is Above/Below them.... and have this Species see the Improvement and Creation that David has made and see the Potential to FURTHER take it and Evolve it.

Thus David is the Middle Man...

The Problem with this is the same as keeping it as it seems NOW.... which is the Time-Frame would be less than 18 Years, likely less than 10 Years before we get to ALIEN and for some Fans i think Accepting the Derelict and Eggs have NOT been on LV-426 for a VERY LONG TIME is something they would NOT accept...

But there could be a Work Around ;)

Who is to say that LOST IN PARADISE would be connected to Alien Covenant and the Franchise?  Time will tell.

The Idea i had for explore the 10 years prior to Alien Covenant would have NOT tried to show that David was NOT the Creator.... it would have NOT gone against what RS had indicated as FAR as the Creator of the Xenomorph but more so give a Good Insight into HOW and WHY he had Created it.

Thanks man!!

And what's the story if David (or Weyland corp) didn't have a hand in the Xeno's creation or introduction? Xeno is clearly humanoid...Either humanity created it or the Engineers(who are related to us..so might as well be humanity) 

Having alien scientists on planet XYZorg create the xeno is a boring non-story.

Having the xeno evolve on an unknown planet is also boring. (over 8 million species have been identified on Earth and only a handful are human like. can't believe anything human like would be found in another star system )

Honest question: What's a good story driven alternative to David(humanity) as the creator?