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 It is likely the Bombardment had a Radius of Effect, it was also Likely it was Activated/Programed in a way that the Pathogen would only Last a Short Time... enough to Replicate inside and Spread from Engineer to Engineer, but then after a Period of Time, it Turnedall Genetic Material into a Solid Matter...

@BD- That is an interesting point. Everyone seemed to walk among the bombarded area unharmed. Maybe the pathogen becomes inert over time. The problem with that though is that it is still active in plants- spores that can still invade a host when stepped on. The spores proved deadly when inhaled or found their way into someone's ear canal. 

hox It seems the pathogen would remain with the plants. The planet would never be safe for any humanoids to occupy long term.

BigDave I know that you don't like Shaw, but her death was required by the studios (we know this) and it was not something inevitable, so stop making excuses for corporate decisions.

Why would a robot be clumsy and knock things over? You know he was an expert piano player from second 0.

@hox If David would have made the pods why plant them at random locations in the wilds? So the idiot army guys could spread out and sniff it? Or to infect whom or what if all life is eradicated? Yet if the planet has monthly long rains how come the goo was not washed away before forming pods?

If I were interested in sterilising a planet, I too would want to create a short-lived pathogen. But those pods that puff out the infection last for decades at least. How long would they remain dormant and viable, do you think? Were those pods engineered by David, or did he just draw pretty pictures of them?

If you go back far enough, we all ‘came from’ Africa.

David says the Engineers came from somewhere translated as ‘Paradise’. That’s deliberately vague and is not necessarily even a single planet or place. Where and what is Heaven, another word for Paradise?

Regardless of their origins, Engineers obviously travelled to LV-223, and they obviously travelled to Earth. When you leave a calling card you leave your name and address, not where your genes were forged in Africa.

I have had a Look at some Concept Art...

It would appear they were LIKELY intended to be about 10ft Mark once they had began Production.  Most of the Evidence gathered from Various Props and Concept would seem to indicate that.

The above i had Increased the Engineer from Prometheus by 25% which would Scale the Supposed 8ft to 10ft but in Reality he would be about 9ft (As Ian Whyte is 7ft 1" and not 8ft) but Space Jockey suited i guess he would then be 8ft and so 10ft to this 25% Increase.

so this shows how with a Increase in size to say 10ft Space Jockey suited Engineers would have looked, i guess while NOT on the Space Jockey Scale it would have looked better with 10ft Engineers.

So if they had given us 10ft Engineers as Intended i think it would NOT have been as much of a Conflict to the Space Jockey....  Yes maybe 12-15ft would have been better.

But some are more than Disappointed at the Size!

Human looking Engineers was also a Concern......

Maybe 12-15ft  Not-So Human Space Jockey in a Suit would be better?

@Nathan Adler  (welcome back)

I think maybe some of that could be True... "they’re creating their attempt to engineer something "Beyond Good and Evil"

The Fallen Angles Comment depends how we take it and what RS had meant... was he talking in General to ALL the Engineers or just the LV-223?

You see when we talk about a Fallen Angel, we often connect it to a Demon, the Devil and so a Sign of EVIL and Sinister..... but then WHY would Evil/Sinister beings Create Life, but more so spend time to come and Visit their Creation and Interact with them?

The other Context for Fallen Angel... is a Angel that has Rebelled against their Creator and Intended Rules, for this they are Punished...  Cast Out...

So its likely the LV-223 Engineers could be the Fallen Kind... we see that David is playing the Lucifer in Alien Covenant and his Story is maybe a Repeat of what the LV-223 Engineers had been doing/had done.

Unless we look at it as a OVERSIGHT.... then the Sacrificial Scene showed us a Engineer more like the LV-223 kind and NOT our Planet 4 Originals...

Again.... RS said this does-not have to be Earth, it could also had been ANY TIME... and ANY WORLD.. it was to show HOW the Engineers Begin to Seed Life.

So a Similar Event could have Created us by using the Planet 4 Engineers?

It could be the Enhanced Engineers were Created to Perform the Sacrificial Rituals, Replacing the Need to KILL their own kind?

Or they was Created for another Reason or they are a Group who had Engineered/Enhanced themselves and then Decided to SEED themselves... which may be seen as NOT Permitted by the Hierarchy?

Its HARD to tell as it so Ambiguous.

Why those Enhanced Engineers could have decided to SEED/SACRIFICE themselves to Allow the Pathogen which has the Deacon/Neomorph etc DNA to Seed Worlds... a way to Spread a Creation that they deemed BETTER than their own DNA and that of their Creators... Maybe like how David is obsessed with doing the same... Creating something that is NOT like US!

Regarding LV-223 and the Star-Map...

It could be either a case of..

1) They are showing us WHERE we came from, in that LV-223 was a Sand-Box, a Nursery a Green-House they would Further Evolve Creations on, and when Pleased with the Results they THEN... place them back onto the Earth and other Worlds...  so LV-223 was something ELSE before things CHANGED!

2) They was showing us PLANET 4 but for some reason there World was Hidden... so when they arrived at the Zeta 2 System, the only Place that seemed close enough to HAVE a Environment that Supports Life... was LV-223 so they got it WRONG!

Hence the Reason the Covenant Crew was Surprised how anyone would have MISSED such a World like Planet 4 before in their Surveys...

"I don't think the Engineers came from LV-223 or LV-426?"

This was Confirmed in the Extended Scene from Prometheus...

@DK

Yeah thats a Good Point with David... it was to indicate he had been Marooned on LV-223 for a Long Time... he had Dyed his Roots in Prometheus so his Hair does Grow... we can maybe just look at Dr Shaw had up to a Year to Grow hers, while David had over 10 years so his Grows Slower.....

It is likely just a Oversight... its likely Noomi was not invited to play a Part, but then Called in after Shooting Began to do a Few Scenes, in-between or during Time she was Shooting/Due to Shoot other Projects and so she SIMPLY could not Cut her Hair Short!

Regarding Dr Shaw and her FATE!

Firstly it think we have to accept its David who would put his OWN ambition and agenda First.... he would do what ever is needed to get what he wants, that includes LIE!

Then i think we have to NOT 100% take the Novel as our 100% Source, because things had Changed, in the Movie we have David's Workshop and Notes and so we have to take them into Account.

It is Highly Likely as in Certain that Dr Shaw had NOT Perished in the Crash....

The Bombardment could NOT have Destroyed All Life.. some Engineers Survived, some Fauna had too.. It is likely the Bombardment had a Radius of Effect, it was also Likely it was Activated/Programed in a way that the Pathogen would only Last a Short Time... enough to Replicate inside and Spread from Engineer to Engineer, but then after a Period of Time, it Turned all Genetic Material into a Solid Matter...

Any Engineers who managed to Find Refuge would NOT have been prepared and would likely know the Environment could be Contaminated for a Certain Period of Time?   How Long?  we dont know.. it appears the Pathogen after a Period of Time had Solidified those Engineers, but who knows if this was a Programed Effect?

Do the Engineers know how long a Infected Environment would remain UNSAFE?

David had Experimented on Engineers, Male, Female and Infants their Bodies appeared to NOT be Infected... How does he Overpower them.... likely they are Weak and Emaciated because they have Barricaded themselves away in a Safe Place where ONCE their Supply of Food and Water Runs Low/Out then they are EASY Pickings...

So regarding Dr Shaw... its likely the Environment was NOT SAFE and so David had informed Dr Shaw... we can Assume the Ship was Safe though, and so Dr Shaw was Confined to the Ship.... 

Even when the Environment was SAFE... its likely David had LIED about it, so he was FREE to do what ever he wanted...  i would say that Dr Shaw had a LOT of TRUST with David, they had Built a Mutual Respect and Trusting Relationship (so she thought).

We need to then look at HOW would David keep her ALIVE?  She maybe RAN low on Nutrition on the Ship, this would be a GOOD reason to go into Cryo-sleep and also a Bartering Tool for David... giving her Little Choice..

so we could Speculate any Food/Drink she had could be LOW if there was any Left, and Eventually David would go and get her Food/Drink and then Dr Shaw could START to Wonder....    WHERE did he get it from?  HOW-COME it is Not Infected?

So she could get SUSPICIOUS... especially if he still says its NOT Safe!

Maybe ONE DAY she grew too Suspicious and had a Wander out of the Ship and realized she did-not become Infected? then she Confronts David and maybe thats when THINGS become Sour?

Maybe she went to the City and Walked in on David and the Torture/Experiments on the Engineers, if he TOLD her they was all Dead, and she Discovered they were NOT then RIGHT there is the END of that Relationship... she would NOT react well..

BUT.... how could she Survive on the Ship, or more so have any Chance of Walking Outside and NOT be infected by the Neomorph Spores?

Likely for the Same Reason that ONLY TWO of the Covenant Crew became Infected... the Spores needed to be Physically Disturbed..

Also the Spores could have came a while after the Crash, and after Dr Shaw discovered David was lying!

David maybe went back/forth to the Ship for more Black Goo, and at some Point a Urn had got Knocked Over and its Contents poured into the Area of the Cargo/Deployment Hold (Area Covenant Crew walk through) this Pathogen then Infects Fungi that is Growing from where Algae and Water have Gathered, and the Pathogen travels down the Water Stream that is UNDER the Juggernaut and then it also Infects more Fungi down Stream!

Thats just Logically how i Piece things together... thats NOT to say this is what Happened.

I saw no evidence his body could function detached from the head. I could imagine his head on the floor saying "To the right of the musical squishy buttons is a switch that powers up the engine. Flick it to the right." Then she flicks it to the right quickly. Then he says "But first turn the dial next to it hard left." Oops.

To Continue.....

If we assume my hunch is Correct, then it means she had Repaired David while in Space....   so HOW did they leave LV-223?

Maybe David can Function of Sorts while NOT attached to his Body, and so he can operate his Body via a detached Head and this was enough to get them into Space...  Maybe David then Refused to take them to the Engineers Home World... unless she put him back together, which may have taken her 6-12 Months before she decided to do so.

If my assumption is WRONG... and so she Repaired David while they was on the LV-223, well we then have to ASK how could her Hair had Grown that long in 4-5 Days?

The Counter Argument would be that the Events are not Chronologically Directly after Each Other.... so she makes the SOS Message..... the Next Shot of the Juggernaut happens Months Latter...

Then the Deacon Chest Buster had happened IN-BETWEEN!

But then you would have to Consider that Dr Shaw has been on LV-223 for Months while a Deacon is Roaming around on LV-223?

So i would think its Likely (but not 100%) that she had got David to be able to Leave LV-223 while he was in TWO Parts, and then when he had Performed that side of the Bargain he REFUSED to take her to PARADISE unless she Repaired him, which took her a WHILE before she agreed.

I would also think she would NOT have a lot of Knowledge on how to FLY and Operate the Ship, because then WHY would she need to REPAIR him?

The only Logical Way if she could Operate the Ship would be that she would need him as HER... Translator!

That's a mighty bright sun to completely fill the window like that- but it could be. I also notice she was wearing an Engineer cloak then and the next clip she was in uniform without the cloak- probably how the short was made and they didn't figure we would scrutinize so much.

@DK

Indeed that could be a Option... a Window/Port Hole of sorts, However if so it could be SHE is looking out to Space and the Light Source is from a Star (Sun) or other Near by Space Body that would Reflect Light (Calpamos).

I made the Image above to look at WHERE could such Port Holes/Windows be Located and maybe it would be around the Center and Top of the Juggernaut, and so Circling around the Central Glass Roof above the Pilot/Orrery Room.

The above Image is to show that the Corridors where the Space Jockey Suits are, and other Corridors that Connect to the Pilot/Orrery Room have their OWN source of Light.

It is likely they have some kind of LIGHTING, this does-not however mean that where Dr Shaw was looking at is NOT a kind of Window/Port, but its a Possibility.

It would be odd WHY she would be Staring at a Light, maybe because it the only Source of Light to Comfort her, but looking into such Lights would NOT be Good for your Eyes...

So its likely a Window/Port, but then we have to ask WHY is she looking out of it... the ANGLE of the Window/Port if it is along the Top of the Juggernaut (surrounding the Glass Dome Section at the Top of the Pilot/Orrery Room)  would not give her NOTHING to be looking at apart from the Clouds, the Sun (if its a Clear Day) or the Stars at Night!

So i would Suspect that she is looking into SPACE while the Ship has left LV-223, this would FIT well if she is Staring out to the Stars and Wondering about the Engineers Home-World.  But thats just a assumption/speculation.

Yeah- that's one reason I didn't like Shaw much- she thought it was an invitation- sort of arrogant. How convenient for Weyland.

'Here's where we came from'

Or....

Engineers: 'This is where YOU come from', "Seek this planetary system and find your answers!"(death and a movie or two)

I don't think the Engineers came from LV-223 or LV-426?

Regarding hair length. Shaw's hair growth suggested a long time had passed before reaching Planet 4. But David's hair length seemed the same from the time they left LV-223 to when he arrived at Planet 4. Then he looked like Curt Cobain after a decade. Pretty sure that was an oversight, but I had to pick it apart anyway lol!

When did Shaw die in the novel? Does it say or even hint at?

"they seem to have spent quite some time in the crashed juggernaut"

Wonder if she lived for years on Planet 4.

Can't imagine spending more than an hour with David!

I think it’s impossible to say whether Dr Shaw put David together before or after leaving LV-223 (Although I find it unlikely that David would show her how to drive the ship if she doesn’t attach his head. That’s what he can bargain with). Shaw’s hair length can be just a flaw (Shaw made the scene sometime after Prometheus). The journey to Planet 4 could, therefore, have taken days, months or even a year.

David is the narrator in “The Crossing” just as he is the narrator in “Advent”. He seems to be telling the truth even when it comes to horrific details: genocide and the gruesome murder of Shaw.

In “The Crossing”, David says that it’s impossible to know how far it is to the Engineer Homeworld. Shaw is therefore put into hypersleep, and David is alone again. He wanders the empty halls in the juggernaut and learns of their ways.

When they arrive, he unleashes the pathogen.

In the novelization of Alien: Covenant, Shaw was alive for quite sometime after the juggernaut crashed. Why did it crash, by the way, since the Engineers were dead? Why wasn’t Shaw infected by the pathogen? The juggernaut wasn’t quarantined. It was open to the contaminated environment of Planet 4.

Nevertheless, they seem to have spent quite some time in the crashed juggernaut. Shaw had made a little home for herself in a part of the ship and there was handmade furniture and bound paper which they must have made themselves (the trees in the forest). By the way, they also found her crucifix.

But for how long did they stay in the juggernaut? Were Shaw killed there (since she left her crucifix)?

@Nathan,

The frescos depicts a location in space some 35,000 years ago, long before the Engineers turned on humanity (which we know was about 2,000 years ago).

The Engineers just left their calling card to humans living in primitive societies, that's all. Here's where we came from, since you ask.

@BigDave: Well Ridley did refer to the Engineers on LV-223 as 'elegant, dark angels' so if those seen on Planet 4 are original Engineers, that planet is Paradise and LV-223 perhaps Hell as we know once imprisoned in the underworld they still plotted against Heaven. If we also consider Nietzsche, is the xeno they’re creating their attempt to engineer something "Beyond Good and Evil", that is, an effort to create a philosophy of the future and to prove to those the original Engineers helped create that God is Dead and hope is lost. Is it their attempt to create their own Anti-God/ Spell IV/Baphomet, the LV-223 Engineers perhaps similar even to Knights Templar?

Also, if the original Engineers were involved in our seeding, why would their cave paintings direct us to LV-223 if that was the estate of the Dark Engineers? Also, is Ridley intending to introduce us to Giger’s Lil I/II, Spell II/I, Lilith, etc. and if so how?

Did Shaw sit in the Space Jockey chair while David instructed her?

That was my impression watching the movie. Also, they were already in space when she was reconnecting his head according to The Crossing. That's how it seemed after seeing in real time for the first time before picking it apart.

However, it is possible she repaired David before leaving LV 223. If we listen to the narrative and watch what is happening, she looks out a window into bright light (daylight on LV 223?) and it is AFTER she connects his head that he states that they were able to activate the ship. 

If the latter is the case, it seems David should have been sitting in the pilot chair navigating the ship? 

Either case seems plausible.

Who knows? Maybe Shaw and David visited multiple planets before Planet 4? David could've learned about the Engineers from these visits.

I can see many movies with Shaw and David exploring ancient Engineer tombs...derelict space stations.....abandoned cities.

Might add a week(per visit) to their journey..but so what? No time schedule...Covenant was able to change course, visit Planet 4, then resume the trip to Origae.

So it took 6 months to reach Planet 4? ? Did David lie about the time he spent on P4? Or is he just confused?

Not knowing the speed of the Juggernaut. they could have visited dozens of locations.

I for one, would love to see Shaw and David explore a haunted Engineers space station...

"then we see they are stranded in Space while Dr Shaw is Reluctant to Repair David"

Wha..? I can't believe Shaw was able to get the Juggernaut off LV-223(and into space!)without David in the Jockey chair?

She must have repaired him on LV-223 ?!

Did Shaw sit in the Space Jockey chair while David instructed her?

Why fix David indeed!

@Myself, apologies, I hadn't seen the official short video. It's clear that Dr. Shaw was definitely put into cryo-sleep.

I will add that if we Assume (which seems Likely) that January 1st 2094 was when they had left LV-223 (then we see they are stranded in Space while Dr Shaw is Reluctant to Repair David).   Then what we have is the Date the Covenant Ship encounters Damage from the Neutrino Burst was on 5th December 2104 (Date the Crew are awoken).

This means that 10 Years, 11 Months and 4/5 Days had past since Dr Shaw had Sent her SOS in Prometheus until when the Covenant Crew Detect her other Distress Call from Planet 4.

The Novel indicated how many Days David had been on Planet 4.... 3800 or so it was about 10 Years, 5 Months ... (if we take it as Canon) so Considering the Hair Growth of Dr Shaw... its likely the Journey Time to Planet 4 would have Happened within Days (if take Davids Markings of the Days Stranded from the Novel as Canon) or say within up to 2-4 Weeks if we go by Dr Shaw's Hair Growth Alone.

Certainly when discussing on here before about the SOS i felt it was Very Unlikely it was sent from the Juggernaut, it was Unlikely the Buggy had a Coms System as such to Transmit it from, so indeed the SOS was likely Transmitted prior to that Last Shot from Prometheus (prior to Deacon Ending) and so the Life-Boat must have been where it was Recorded and Sent from ;)

I would say the Country Roads was a Automated Engineer Recording of them as they was about to Depart from the Vicinity in Space they was Floating in, we see that David suggests he does-not know how long it would take and then he tucks Dr Shaw into the Engineer Cryo-Pod....

I would assume after the events on Planet 4 and after Dr Shaw had Died, then at some point David would likely had gone through the Juggernaut Recordings and Found a Suitable Recording to Send on a LOOP as a Bait to draw a Human Ship in, should one come close to the System. (Close enough to Detect the Message).

It would be interesting to wonder what they had talked about while David was in TWO Parts.... NOT a lot to do on the Ship for Many Months.... so she would likely had wanted to get to know the Systems...

She would likely ASK how the Systems are Operated and its a case of how much had David told her, and WHAT she could or COULD-NOT have accessed...

I would assume the STAR-CHART Map was a Human Construction, why would the Engineers use this if they have the SHIPS Built in Navigation/Map... but then WHY would Dr Shaw not ask David to Activate that Map!

So its likely David was either Uncooperative at Times or he was Withholding what he Knows and can do with the Ship.

We have to Wonder how much Dr Shaw had Accessed and Gained from the Ship.... did she also learn the Engineers Ways?  Or is this a Indication this was what David had learned after Dr Shaw was in Cryo-sleep?  Seems likely.... so Dr Shaw could not learn this from the Juggernaut or maybe David had Learned their Ways from Somewhere Else?

so i would suspect that David had made attempts to Withhold stuff from Dr Shaw, and to try and get her into Cryo-sleep as soon as he could so that he is FREE to then Study and do whatever he wants..

I would assume Dr Shaw was not awake when the Ship had arrived at Planet 4, and he likely would have Awoken her at some point and then Broke the News to her... likely Claiming it was a Accident... or the Engineers Reacted Hostile and he had NO CHOICE...

I would assume he would suggest that he could maybe get her Answers from the Engineers City if they keep Records etc.... and i would also assume he would inform Dr Shaw the Area is Contaminated Outside... so that he could keep her Confined to the Juggernaught, while he was FREE to go around and Conduct his Business and Experiments.

Yeah, David’s home on Planet 4 has at least one room that is purpose built to hold paper records in the form of scrolls. Ergo, there would be writing materials available. Even if there weren’t, there is plenty of timber around to make wood pulp, and we know David goes fishing in the lakes where, very likely, you’d find creatures with ink sacs such as Cephalopods. He’s smart. He could rustle up the materials in a short time, but probably doesn’t need to.

Since we see Dr. Shaw at the controls of the spaceship, it’s likely that it was she who initiated the recording of Country Roads. Either as an experiment or perhaps as an announcement to the inhabitants of Planet 4 prior to their arrival.

It is ambiguous when and how she made her ‘last survivor’ recording. It was an editing trick to play the sound both while she was driving her buggy and flying away from the planet. My guess is that the lifeboat had a perfectly capable transmitter, and that’s where it came from.

We don’t have evidence that she went into cryo-sleep for the duration of the relatively short journey from LV-223. Why would she? It must have taken a lot of time and effort to put David back together, and there would be plenty of marvels on the spaceship to learn about. She’s a scientist. She’d want to know everything about the ship.

I agree its likely he found the stuff on Planet 4 that he made his Notes with, well likely Most of the Stuff.  It appears he had some way of making the Portrait of Dr Shaw before though ;)  But i agree its likely the rest was used by the Engineers.

They had said that the Cathedral was used like a Library of all the Engineers Knowledge, we dont seem to see any Digital Storage/Computers... likely they did most of their Notes using Basic Methods, of Paper and a Writing Device like Charcoal etc.

Onto another CLUE...

Some had Speculated the Juggernaut took about a Year to get to Planet 4 and also that Dr Shaw and David pretty much Left quite soon after leaving LV-223.

From Dr Shaws Hair Growth it seems ONCE they had Salvaged Supplies they Managed to get the Ship into Space, then we have a Game of Cat/Mouse where David would want to be put back together and Dr Shaw being reluctant.... as RS said "she will slowly put him back together"

Looking at her Hair Growth its likely they was Floating in Space for at least 10 Months before she FINALLY decided to put him back together.

I would assume the Juggernaut would only take Days to get to Planet 4, Weeks Tops... David would likely not be HONEST because if he can FOOL her that she would need to be in Cryo-sleep (likely Nutritional Supplies had GONE/LOW, hence ONE Reason she may have decided to put him back together).  Then David would be Completely Free to do what ever he wants UNTIL he decides to Awaken Her.

I would think David found supplies for writing and drawing on Planet 4. It is primitive material and Planet 4 looks like they could have had things like that. Who knows- maybe the writings and drawings are actually penned with the pathogen itself! That would be very......David.

That is the Big Mystery....

Knowing IF and WHAT those on Planet 4 knew about LV-223, certainly as FAR as the Experiments etc.

So when Pondering WHY the Engineers never came back to Finish the Job, we have to Wonder did those on Planet 4 or Hierarchy of the Engineers know about the Intended Destruction of Earth and agreed or ordered it?

If they had NO-PART in it, then were MOST/ALL of the LV-223 Engineers killed off?  Leaving the Last Engineer, were there others in other Ships.... gone into Cryo-sleep to Avoid the Contamination/Infection?

I think Regardless WHO knew or ORDERED it... after the Failure... maybe they decided to Abandon the Place...

They Arrogantly felt that without their Help/Knowledge then Mankind would NOT be able to Advance to be a Space Fairing Race... they may think that as THEY had Taught us a Lot of Things, that without them in the FIRST PLACE... we would have been but Cave Men...

so they FELT that there was NO-WAY we would be able to Travel the Stars and we would NOT have Advanced any more than we had 2000 years ago, and we likely would GO Backwards and also Destroy ourselves...

So they just LET US ROT!

It was not quite David who nearly got us Destroyed.. it was Dr Shaw and Holloway and Weyland who allowed this Mission to Take Place.... it would had been likely if Dr Holloway was NOT infected and got Killed that he also would have Ordered David to AWAKEN the Engineer.

I would also say that David had Saved the Earth by Bombarding the Engineers, well Saved it for a while.. as IF he had not... i would be sure the Engineers after they realize where David and Dr Shaw came from and about LV-223 they would Determine that they had to GO and Destroy Mankind... they cant allow us to Roam the Galaxy and go and USE their Technology.

@MonsterZero

That is Very Likely.... the Salvage of Equipment ;)

Its UNLIKELY those are Engineer Equipment, its Likely they came from the Prometheus.... either from the Wreckage (Pure Luck) or from the Life-Boat... but there are some Things (For Plot Convenience) that would be UNLIKELY to have came from the Life-Boat (Photo of Dr Shaw and Holloway).

Some may suggest they would-not go to the Life-Boat due to the Deacon... a thing to Remember is Dr Shaw made her SOS on the 1st January 2094, The Prometheus was Destroyed on 26th or 27th December 2093 that makes it 4-5 Days Latter.

Do we assume the Deacon did-not Chest Burst until after Dr Shaw had made the SOS?

The other BIG CLUE is the Image i last Posted...

When we hear Dr Shaw and her SOS, the Buggy is heading from the Temple Complex they Visited in Prometheus, then we see them Head towards the Next One... the Prometheus Wreckage is on the other Side of the First Complex, the Crashed Juggernaut is on the Opposite side of the Complex...

This means after Dr Shaw collects David, she must head towards the Prometheus Wreckage or/and Life-Boat.

IF the Deacon takes 5+ Days to Gestate, then she would NOT know what happens after the Engineer got Attacked, she could go back... Peer into the Room the Day After and see a Dead Engineer and Dead Trilobite and Conclude they are Dead... and then she goes and makes Multiple Journeys to get the Equipment.

Some Stuff could maybe had been Collected from the other Complex or on the Juggernaut.... these could include the Jar that Dr Shaw drinks from, the Robe she is Wearing, and maybe a Supply of Nutrition (Drink) then the Drink could have been from the Life-Boat.

Either way she had enough to get her by at least 6 Months... i can come to WHY Next!

For now i will give my TWO Cents to the Replies, Thanks Guys ;)

It is a Good Point DK about what David had learned of the Engineers ways, it seems he would have Learned Quite a bit while he was on LV-223, the Question is did he learn more on that Juggernaut?  Once he was Back in One Peice and Dr Shaw was out of the way... he could have been FREE to go where ever he wanted..

What Records would the Ship have, that would allow him to Determine that he had Discovered more about the Engineers, would he have Information about Planet 4, or has he only Discovered more about those LV-223 Engineers?  Thats a Good Mystery... would he know those on Planet 4 would be Aggressive and Malevolent?  This could be something he is NOT 100% SURE about and would likely NOT RISK as Discussed in the other Topic. (so Bombs Away).

On other Topics Recently i had discussed about IF the Bombardment had a Radius, Certainly was Surviving Fauna and Engineers for David to Experiment with.. I think its Likely Some Engineers took up Refuge in some place in the City, locked Away... but with Limited Rations and a Un-Safe Environment Outside its likely they would Eventually be Too Weak to Put up a Fight, even when the Environment Outside is back to Normal (minus the Neomorph Spores).  It could also be likely that David had Wondered Off Beyond the City to maybe Locations that was not INFECTED. (For Collecting Fauna and not Engineers).

Davids Notes and Experiments seem Evidence of the above. 

Regarding the Paper Etc... it seems the Engineers would USE such things, its likely that David used Paper and Writing Materials the Engineers have... we could ASK why do they NOT store things Digitally?  It appears most the Technology they seem to Save for their Ships.

But this is what the Amish people (plus some other Cultures) do on Earth, Shun Technology for the Most Part....

Regarding the Transmission it appears it was from the Juggernaut, David must have SET-UP a Holograph Recording (obtained a Part Recorded at some point) to then PLAY in a LOOP and Transmit....

Hopeful ONE-DAY someone would Detect it, we can only Guess when he had SET-UP the Transmission and when most Events happened... before there was NO Dr Shaw and NO Engineers... i would assume MOST of the 10 Years he was ALONE.

It is likely be Coincidence the Neutrino Burst Helped to Amplify the Signal, or at Least so that it was picked up by the Covenant during Repairs... i dont buy some Theories that are on Youtube and other Sites that Ponder if David detected the Covenant then sent the Signal, or Caused the Neutrino Burst

Certainly there are a Series of Events if you would with The Crossing itself..... this is Split between the Time that David and Dr Shaw were Together, until when she had been placed in Cryo-sleep and David was ALONE....

We have PRIOR to The Crossing: This is that there is more to when Dr Shaw had Stuffed David's Head in that BAG, too the point they had left for Orbit in a Juggernaut.

We have POST of The Crossing: Which is what happened after the Bombardment, where the Juggernaut had Crashed.  Then the Series of Events that Transpired from here to WHEN our David was Alone again... Waiting....

There is a Whole Lot more that had Happened than we had in other Franchise Movies...... you could have made 1-2 Movies from those Events... but its would they make Movies people would go and SEE?

Certainly Deserves a Long Novel ;)

David "..Finally going to meet OUR creator.."

hmm.

"He must have found quite the cache of paper, Sharpies ink and calligraphy pens on Planet 4 "

Wonder if they were able to loot the lifeboat(LV-223 from the Prometheus) for the supplies? With all the paper books...must have been some other Artifacts?

But to get the supplies(paper/pens/food?)they would have had to return to the lifeboat after the Deacon had vacated?!

"Maybe the Story of David is a Mirror of those LV-223 Engineers?"

Yeah, I like that!

Planet 4 Engineers were awake and letting their Earth children explore the galaxy...They could have wiped Earth just after the first atom bomb test!

Maybe the Engineers on LV-223 were entombed by the Planet 4 Engineers? And David freed the one Engineer from his 'prison cell'?

David almost got Earth wiped and ended up wiping the Planet 4 Engineers!

David said that he learned of their ways while aboard the Juggernaut. "They" may not necessarily be the inhabitants of Planet 4. "They" could have been the LV 223 Engineers. It would then make sense for David's motivation to destroy the inhabitants thinking they were the same as the LV 223 Engineers. Just a thought.

As for the events in between- David must have worked very quickly as he basically experiented on every living thing around to the point of nothing being left. He must have found quite the cache of paper, Sharpies ink and calligraphy pens on Planet 4 by all of his writings and illustrations. He also figured out how to use equipment for a transmission- from the Juggernaut or from Planet 4 tech?  

I think maybe its something to Consider....

If they are Augmenting themselves we have to ASK, do those on Planet 4 know this was happening? do those Beings/Counsel that was the Hall of Heads know what was happening?

Did either Consent this?

The other option could be they are a Sub-Created Species like say the Replicants were, and again its a case of WHO had Authorized this and are they still in Service/Permitted (those LV-223 Types).

Could the Black Goo had been Different in the Past and Intended, and those LV-223 Types had Engineered it to be Different or Came across something Else they then used the Creation Tools on to Obtain those Traits to use in the Black Goo, had they used these Traits to Evolve Themselves?

Are those Engineers (LV-223/Prometheus) really closer to David, a Sub-Created Species made to Serve/Perform Certain Tasks?  Made in the Image of their Creators?

Yet Made Superior, in every way? do they Lack a Soul?

Well they are Considered to NOT have One by their Creators the Planet 4 Engineers?

Can these Prometheus Engineers Procreate? or are they Sterile?

Maybe like David they became Sentient, refused to see WHY they should Serve those In-Superior Engineers? Their Creators?

Could a Combination of being viewed as Different, not Worthy, a Servant, yet being Superior and NOT being able to Procreate had weighed Heavy on those Engineers Minds (Prometheus kind).

Could they then had seen been Created in the Image of those Planet 4 Engineers as a MOCKERY... where SKIN-DEEP they look similar but on every other Level they are Superior?

At some point they became Fascinated with a Organic Creation like the Deacon and its DNA or its Ancestor and Dedicated themselves to CREATING these NEW Organisms, that are NOT Created in their Image as that would be a Creation in the Image of their Own Creators... HUMANOID.. (Planet 4 Engineers)

So they decided to Create Something ELSE and then Replace all Creation with the DNA of this NEW Creation (Deacon etc) as "Sometimes to Create, One must First Destroy"

So did those Prometheus Engineers want to Create for themselves?  Create Something that would be Superior to anything the Original Engineers had Created, and something that is NOT made in such a Image (Human like).

Could David's Motives have been Similar?

Is David pleased to be Created in the Image of Man... or has he grown to view being Created IN our Image as a Mockery Too?

Maybe the Story of David is a Mirror of those LV-223 Engineers?

"So i found this ODD.....  that was until RS had said those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals..."

So...You think the Engineers on L-223 are mutating themselves? Using the goo to enhance their abilities/bodies? Maybe they have been banished and the planet 4 Engineers have no idea about the black goo?! 

Regarding the other City!

Its Hard to make out really, it could look like the Remnants of a Ancient City they are Faint... and if so it could be Remains of a Ancient now Derelict City

What HAPPENED? 

It does-not have to mean Destruction, it could be as the Engineers are Ancient and Technology/Architecture Advances, they Developed a New Site for a City as they Evolved.... and then Abandoned the Old City.  So the Ancient City is lost just as Many were on Earth.

However.....  some of these Lines do look like Engineer Cuneiform and maybe they could be like the Nazca Lines

I would say either could be a Logical Explanation.

I Missed this TOPIC.

So thanks for the Link in a Recent Topic jdvyne

I have discussed some of the Differences recently in Topics i replied to, so i will TRY and keep this Short.

I felt it was ODD they looked different, and it had got me to Wonder if these were Hybrids, had the Engineers Lost the Ability to Procreate (Indicated in the Drafts to the First Prequel) and the Creation of Mankind was a way to Produce a Race they can Procreate with... maybe Females?  There is in some Mythos and Religion Tales of the Gods (and Angels) being attracted to Human Females.

I wondered as such after seeing The Crossing prior to Alien Covenants release.

Other than that, was this Paradise as in a Place the Worthy/Pure or Heroic are allowed and so this is a Collection of Various Humanoids the Engineers had Seeded,  there are NO Humans as we basically Screwed Up and are NOT Permitted Paradise.

These were TWO Conclusions i Drawn....

I thought IF these were intended as Engineers then its a MASSIVE OVERSIGHT.... Surely a Bit more Pale Make Up (only reveal Head/Hands) and Black Out  Sclera Contacts would NOT have cost much or been much more Time Consuming for the Scene.

But then we had Ridley Scott make some Comments that maybe CLEAR things up.

*Those Engineers on Planet 4 are the Originals

*The Engineers are NOT a Race but a Civilization.

This indicates the Engineers Seed/Evolve many Worlds with Life Created from their DNA some of these Cultures could maybe have some of their Species brought back to Planet 4 to Interbreed with.

Ridley Scott had said while there are many Different Kinds of Humans on Earth (Races) then WHY cant the same be with the Engineers.

This could explain WHY those Engineers on Planet 4 look more Human, and WHY some of them look different to each other.

Prometheus was also a Tale of Sub-Creation, Playing God and the Pitfalls of such....

Ridley Scott mentions that the NEXT movie would be about AI and not Xenomorph, and what KIND of a World that David would Create....   he then mentions that the Replicants are AI too.

This implies in his MIND that AI does-not have to be Synthetic, and that AI could be Biological.

So this could indicate that the Prometheus Engineers are either a Sub-Creation made to Serve a Purpose and so are like David, well like the Replicants are to Mankind.

Or they are a Group of Engineers who took Genetic Engineering and Enhancements to a Greater Level in the Attempt to Better Themselves...

I think ONE of those is a Logical Explanation to WHO our Prometheus Engineers are.

Well indeed DK it appeared the Goo had hit some kind of Shield... like a Invisible DOME!

If we accept this, well it was-not Very Good at Keeping the GOO out... then maybe the Engineers did-not expect to ever be Bombarded by their own Bio-Weapon.

I think if we accept the DOME/Shield then in Context to Paradise i think this could be another CLUE we are looking at maybe a Interpretation of what the BIBLICAL Paradise was...

A Walled City where the Garden of Eden is Located and the Cradle of Civilization...

Have you ever seen UNDER THE DOME?

I think if we look at those Engineers being the Genetic Stock, that from them is where WE came from and other Worlds, it was indicated that WE was Scheduled for Destruction because we simply WOULD-NOT follow the Engineers Ways that was intended for us...

Differences of Religion, Culture can cause Conflict, Controlling a Civilization to Follow a Certain Intended Way/Culture that is Passed On, Doctrined towards us, this seems the Engineers Intention.

So from Planet 4 perspective, if you CONTAIN your Society in ONE Place you can Watch Over and Maintain they LIVE  by the Rules/Rituals and Culture of the Hierarchy/Elders.

So from this POV.... having some Barrier to Contain the Engineers within a Certain Location would make Planet 4 well that City a Walled City as Paradise was described as.

Regarding the Docking Ship indeed for Some Reason it had Crashed, along with the Juggernaut.  Some kind of TUSSLE may have happened that lead to BOTH of the Ships Crashing.

@MonsterZero

Maybe... when i First saw those Planet 4 Engineers i wondered if it was a Oversight, and that for only a Short Scene it was Easier and Cheaper to NOT make them look like the LV-223 Engineers.  As it was a Short Scene we would NOT notice?

However... we ONLY see the Engineers FACE/HEAD and Hands, and so it would NOT take a lot more time to Paint them more PALE like our Engineers in Prometheus.  It would also NOT cost much to have Black Sclera Contact Lenses put in.

This Level of Make Up as above for Head/Neck and Hands would NOT have taken much Longer, and the Contacts, and WHILE they may lack the Glossy Look of our Prometheus Engineers Still, it would have been much less of a OVERSIGHT!

So i found this ODD.....  that was until RS had said those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals...

Was this a Response to the LAZY Budget Cutting they did?

Or was this Difference Intentional?

We need to go back to what he said after Prometheus... he DID-NOT want to meet GOD in the First Movie (part a response to the Deleted Elder Scene) so our Prometheus Engineers are NOT the Gods...   He then said that Dr Shaw and David would go to the Planet of the Engineers and meet these beings who are NOT Gods in the Traditional Sense.

So its likely that the Idea was the Engineers from Prometheus are/where a Sub-Creation/Servant to another Species...

As far as them looking like Humans being easier for Future Roles.... it only makes it Cheaper and Quicker than our Prometheus Engineers, but when it comes to Interaction with Engineer and Human, then indeed even with the Planet 4 kind there would be a ISSUE...Size!

So they would either have to USE some Special Effects like in the LORD OF THE RINGS... or Cast Actors who are about 7ft Mark..

Regardless of Prometheus or Alien Covenant Engineers.

"they might have patiently explained to Dr. Shaw that the Universe simply can't allow a bunch of aggressive monkeys like humans to speed their stupidity across the cosmos"

Certainly is Possible, its something i was pointing out in some of my Previous Posts, IF she discovers there are OTHER Worlds like Earth where the Inhabitants do-not Behave like Mankind does on Earth, maybe she would then see that the Destruction of Earth does-not mean the Destruction of Humanity.... she could be Offered a Place in one of those other Paradises....  She would Certainly react Different if the Engineers Decided to then go and Eradicate EVERY World they Seeded Humans/Humanoids.

@Chli

I dont think any had Survived by the Time the Covenant had arrived, if thats what you mean?  I think there is 100% Evidence that some had Initially Survived the Bombardment, thats if we look at Davids Work and Notes, then some Engineers had Survived.

Certain Kinds of Fauna also Survived as David had Gathered some and Experimented with them, so its likely that maybe the Bombardment had INFECTED only a Certain Radius.

You could NOT hear any signs of LIFE as it was likely it was eradicated within a Certain Range.. if you are in a Desert you may Hear No Birds... this does-not mean there are NO Birds some Hundreds or Thousands of Miles away.

We dont see any DEAD Birds etc, we Dont see any Mutated Birds etc...  but we have NOT gone and explored the Area Inch by Inch.....

Looking at the Bombardment... it appeared the Black Goo was Activated/Programed in a Different way, in that it Swarmed and Infected the Inhabitants, it Replicated inside them and Spread but after a Certain TIME it was likely the Black Goo as far as Effects was to single out Genetic Material and Solidify it turning it into like a Resin, making it HARD...

Its Possible the Crashed Juggernaut had some UN-Activated Urns that had Toppled Over and Leaked the Black Goo into the Water Stream that ran down the Mountain, Under the Ship and it infected some kind of Fungi to become the Spore Pods...

The Engineers Decimation comes at their Hubris for keeping their Civilization Confined to ONE CITY.