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Did Shaw sit in the Space Jockey chair while David instructed her?

That was my impression watching the movie. Also, they were already in space when she was reconnecting his head according to The Crossing. That's how it seemed after seeing in real time for the first time before picking it apart.

However, it is possible she repaired David before leaving LV 223. If we listen to the narrative and watch what is happening, she looks out a window into bright light (daylight on LV 223?) and it is AFTER she connects his head that he states that they were able to activate the ship. 

If the latter is the case, it seems David should have been sitting in the pilot chair navigating the ship? 

Either case seems plausible.

Who knows? Maybe Shaw and David visited multiple planets before Planet 4? David could've learned about the Engineers from these visits.

I can see many movies with Shaw and David exploring ancient Engineer tombs...derelict space stations.....abandoned cities.

Might add a week(per visit) to their journey..but so what? No time schedule...Covenant was able to change course, visit Planet 4, then resume the trip to Origae.

So it took 6 months to reach Planet 4? ? Did David lie about the time he spent on P4? Or is he just confused?

Not knowing the speed of the Juggernaut. they could have visited dozens of locations.

I for one, would love to see Shaw and David explore a haunted Engineers space station...

"then we see they are stranded in Space while Dr Shaw is Reluctant to Repair David"

Wha..? I can't believe Shaw was able to get the Juggernaut off LV-223(and into space!)without David in the Jockey chair?

She must have repaired him on LV-223 ?!

Did Shaw sit in the Space Jockey chair while David instructed her?

Why fix David indeed!

@Myself, apologies, I hadn't seen the official short video. It's clear that Dr. Shaw was definitely put into cryo-sleep.

I will add that if we Assume (which seems Likely) that January 1st 2094 was when they had left LV-223 (then we see they are stranded in Space while Dr Shaw is Reluctant to Repair David).   Then what we have is the Date the Covenant Ship encounters Damage from the Neutrino Burst was on 5th December 2104 (Date the Crew are awoken).

This means that 10 Years, 11 Months and 4/5 Days had past since Dr Shaw had Sent her SOS in Prometheus until when the Covenant Crew Detect her other Distress Call from Planet 4.

The Novel indicated how many Days David had been on Planet 4.... 3800 or so it was about 10 Years, 5 Months ... (if we take it as Canon) so Considering the Hair Growth of Dr Shaw... its likely the Journey Time to Planet 4 would have Happened within Days (if take Davids Markings of the Days Stranded from the Novel as Canon) or say within up to 2-4 Weeks if we go by Dr Shaw's Hair Growth Alone.

Certainly when discussing on here before about the SOS i felt it was Very Unlikely it was sent from the Juggernaut, it was Unlikely the Buggy had a Coms System as such to Transmit it from, so indeed the SOS was likely Transmitted prior to that Last Shot from Prometheus (prior to Deacon Ending) and so the Life-Boat must have been where it was Recorded and Sent from ;)

I would say the Country Roads was a Automated Engineer Recording of them as they was about to Depart from the Vicinity in Space they was Floating in, we see that David suggests he does-not know how long it would take and then he tucks Dr Shaw into the Engineer Cryo-Pod....

I would assume after the events on Planet 4 and after Dr Shaw had Died, then at some point David would likely had gone through the Juggernaut Recordings and Found a Suitable Recording to Send on a LOOP as a Bait to draw a Human Ship in, should one come close to the System. (Close enough to Detect the Message).

It would be interesting to wonder what they had talked about while David was in TWO Parts.... NOT a lot to do on the Ship for Many Months.... so she would likely had wanted to get to know the Systems...

She would likely ASK how the Systems are Operated and its a case of how much had David told her, and WHAT she could or COULD-NOT have accessed...

I would assume the STAR-CHART Map was a Human Construction, why would the Engineers use this if they have the SHIPS Built in Navigation/Map... but then WHY would Dr Shaw not ask David to Activate that Map!

So its likely David was either Uncooperative at Times or he was Withholding what he Knows and can do with the Ship.

We have to Wonder how much Dr Shaw had Accessed and Gained from the Ship.... did she also learn the Engineers Ways?  Or is this a Indication this was what David had learned after Dr Shaw was in Cryo-sleep?  Seems likely.... so Dr Shaw could not learn this from the Juggernaut or maybe David had Learned their Ways from Somewhere Else?

so i would suspect that David had made attempts to Withhold stuff from Dr Shaw, and to try and get her into Cryo-sleep as soon as he could so that he is FREE to then Study and do whatever he wants..

I would assume Dr Shaw was not awake when the Ship had arrived at Planet 4, and he likely would have Awoken her at some point and then Broke the News to her... likely Claiming it was a Accident... or the Engineers Reacted Hostile and he had NO CHOICE...

I would assume he would suggest that he could maybe get her Answers from the Engineers City if they keep Records etc.... and i would also assume he would inform Dr Shaw the Area is Contaminated Outside... so that he could keep her Confined to the Juggernaught, while he was FREE to go around and Conduct his Business and Experiments.

Yeah, David’s home on Planet 4 has at least one room that is purpose built to hold paper records in the form of scrolls. Ergo, there would be writing materials available. Even if there weren’t, there is plenty of timber around to make wood pulp, and we know David goes fishing in the lakes where, very likely, you’d find creatures with ink sacs such as Cephalopods. He’s smart. He could rustle up the materials in a short time, but probably doesn’t need to.

Since we see Dr. Shaw at the controls of the spaceship, it’s likely that it was she who initiated the recording of Country Roads. Either as an experiment or perhaps as an announcement to the inhabitants of Planet 4 prior to their arrival.

It is ambiguous when and how she made her ‘last survivor’ recording. It was an editing trick to play the sound both while she was driving her buggy and flying away from the planet. My guess is that the lifeboat had a perfectly capable transmitter, and that’s where it came from.

We don’t have evidence that she went into cryo-sleep for the duration of the relatively short journey from LV-223. Why would she? It must have taken a lot of time and effort to put David back together, and there would be plenty of marvels on the spaceship to learn about. She’s a scientist. She’d want to know everything about the ship.

I agree its likely he found the stuff on Planet 4 that he made his Notes with, well likely Most of the Stuff.  It appears he had some way of making the Portrait of Dr Shaw before though ;)  But i agree its likely the rest was used by the Engineers.

They had said that the Cathedral was used like a Library of all the Engineers Knowledge, we dont seem to see any Digital Storage/Computers... likely they did most of their Notes using Basic Methods, of Paper and a Writing Device like Charcoal etc.

Onto another CLUE...

Some had Speculated the Juggernaut took about a Year to get to Planet 4 and also that Dr Shaw and David pretty much Left quite soon after leaving LV-223.

From Dr Shaws Hair Growth it seems ONCE they had Salvaged Supplies they Managed to get the Ship into Space, then we have a Game of Cat/Mouse where David would want to be put back together and Dr Shaw being reluctant.... as RS said "she will slowly put him back together"

Looking at her Hair Growth its likely they was Floating in Space for at least 10 Months before she FINALLY decided to put him back together.

I would assume the Juggernaut would only take Days to get to Planet 4, Weeks Tops... David would likely not be HONEST because if he can FOOL her that she would need to be in Cryo-sleep (likely Nutritional Supplies had GONE/LOW, hence ONE Reason she may have decided to put him back together).  Then David would be Completely Free to do what ever he wants UNTIL he decides to Awaken Her.

I would think David found supplies for writing and drawing on Planet 4. It is primitive material and Planet 4 looks like they could have had things like that. Who knows- maybe the writings and drawings are actually penned with the pathogen itself! That would be very......David.

That is the Big Mystery....

Knowing IF and WHAT those on Planet 4 knew about LV-223, certainly as FAR as the Experiments etc.

So when Pondering WHY the Engineers never came back to Finish the Job, we have to Wonder did those on Planet 4 or Hierarchy of the Engineers know about the Intended Destruction of Earth and agreed or ordered it?

If they had NO-PART in it, then were MOST/ALL of the LV-223 Engineers killed off?  Leaving the Last Engineer, were there others in other Ships.... gone into Cryo-sleep to Avoid the Contamination/Infection?

I think Regardless WHO knew or ORDERED it... after the Failure... maybe they decided to Abandon the Place...

They Arrogantly felt that without their Help/Knowledge then Mankind would NOT be able to Advance to be a Space Fairing Race... they may think that as THEY had Taught us a Lot of Things, that without them in the FIRST PLACE... we would have been but Cave Men...

so they FELT that there was NO-WAY we would be able to Travel the Stars and we would NOT have Advanced any more than we had 2000 years ago, and we likely would GO Backwards and also Destroy ourselves...

So they just LET US ROT!

It was not quite David who nearly got us Destroyed.. it was Dr Shaw and Holloway and Weyland who allowed this Mission to Take Place.... it would had been likely if Dr Holloway was NOT infected and got Killed that he also would have Ordered David to AWAKEN the Engineer.

I would also say that David had Saved the Earth by Bombarding the Engineers, well Saved it for a while.. as IF he had not... i would be sure the Engineers after they realize where David and Dr Shaw came from and about LV-223 they would Determine that they had to GO and Destroy Mankind... they cant allow us to Roam the Galaxy and go and USE their Technology.

@MonsterZero

That is Very Likely.... the Salvage of Equipment ;)

Its UNLIKELY those are Engineer Equipment, its Likely they came from the Prometheus.... either from the Wreckage (Pure Luck) or from the Life-Boat... but there are some Things (For Plot Convenience) that would be UNLIKELY to have came from the Life-Boat (Photo of Dr Shaw and Holloway).

Some may suggest they would-not go to the Life-Boat due to the Deacon... a thing to Remember is Dr Shaw made her SOS on the 1st January 2094, The Prometheus was Destroyed on 26th or 27th December 2093 that makes it 4-5 Days Latter.

Do we assume the Deacon did-not Chest Burst until after Dr Shaw had made the SOS?

The other BIG CLUE is the Image i last Posted...

When we hear Dr Shaw and her SOS, the Buggy is heading from the Temple Complex they Visited in Prometheus, then we see them Head towards the Next One... the Prometheus Wreckage is on the other Side of the First Complex, the Crashed Juggernaut is on the Opposite side of the Complex...

This means after Dr Shaw collects David, she must head towards the Prometheus Wreckage or/and Life-Boat.

IF the Deacon takes 5+ Days to Gestate, then she would NOT know what happens after the Engineer got Attacked, she could go back... Peer into the Room the Day After and see a Dead Engineer and Dead Trilobite and Conclude they are Dead... and then she goes and makes Multiple Journeys to get the Equipment.

Some Stuff could maybe had been Collected from the other Complex or on the Juggernaut.... these could include the Jar that Dr Shaw drinks from, the Robe she is Wearing, and maybe a Supply of Nutrition (Drink) then the Drink could have been from the Life-Boat.

Either way she had enough to get her by at least 6 Months... i can come to WHY Next!

For now i will give my TWO Cents to the Replies, Thanks Guys ;)

It is a Good Point DK about what David had learned of the Engineers ways, it seems he would have Learned Quite a bit while he was on LV-223, the Question is did he learn more on that Juggernaut?  Once he was Back in One Peice and Dr Shaw was out of the way... he could have been FREE to go where ever he wanted..

What Records would the Ship have, that would allow him to Determine that he had Discovered more about the Engineers, would he have Information about Planet 4, or has he only Discovered more about those LV-223 Engineers?  Thats a Good Mystery... would he know those on Planet 4 would be Aggressive and Malevolent?  This could be something he is NOT 100% SURE about and would likely NOT RISK as Discussed in the other Topic. (so Bombs Away).

On other Topics Recently i had discussed about IF the Bombardment had a Radius, Certainly was Surviving Fauna and Engineers for David to Experiment with.. I think its Likely Some Engineers took up Refuge in some place in the City, locked Away... but with Limited Rations and a Un-Safe Environment Outside its likely they would Eventually be Too Weak to Put up a Fight, even when the Environment Outside is back to Normal (minus the Neomorph Spores).  It could also be likely that David had Wondered Off Beyond the City to maybe Locations that was not INFECTED. (For Collecting Fauna and not Engineers).

Davids Notes and Experiments seem Evidence of the above. 

Regarding the Paper Etc... it seems the Engineers would USE such things, its likely that David used Paper and Writing Materials the Engineers have... we could ASK why do they NOT store things Digitally?  It appears most the Technology they seem to Save for their Ships.

But this is what the Amish people (plus some other Cultures) do on Earth, Shun Technology for the Most Part....

Regarding the Transmission it appears it was from the Juggernaut, David must have SET-UP a Holograph Recording (obtained a Part Recorded at some point) to then PLAY in a LOOP and Transmit....

Hopeful ONE-DAY someone would Detect it, we can only Guess when he had SET-UP the Transmission and when most Events happened... before there was NO Dr Shaw and NO Engineers... i would assume MOST of the 10 Years he was ALONE.

It is likely be Coincidence the Neutrino Burst Helped to Amplify the Signal, or at Least so that it was picked up by the Covenant during Repairs... i dont buy some Theories that are on Youtube and other Sites that Ponder if David detected the Covenant then sent the Signal, or Caused the Neutrino Burst

Certainly there are a Series of Events if you would with The Crossing itself..... this is Split between the Time that David and Dr Shaw were Together, until when she had been placed in Cryo-sleep and David was ALONE....

We have PRIOR to The Crossing: This is that there is more to when Dr Shaw had Stuffed David's Head in that BAG, too the point they had left for Orbit in a Juggernaut.

We have POST of The Crossing: Which is what happened after the Bombardment, where the Juggernaut had Crashed.  Then the Series of Events that Transpired from here to WHEN our David was Alone again... Waiting....

There is a Whole Lot more that had Happened than we had in other Franchise Movies...... you could have made 1-2 Movies from those Events... but its would they make Movies people would go and SEE?

Certainly Deserves a Long Novel ;)

David "..Finally going to meet OUR creator.."

hmm.

"He must have found quite the cache of paper, Sharpies ink and calligraphy pens on Planet 4 "

Wonder if they were able to loot the lifeboat(LV-223 from the Prometheus) for the supplies? With all the paper books...must have been some other Artifacts?

But to get the supplies(paper/pens/food?)they would have had to return to the lifeboat after the Deacon had vacated?!

"Maybe the Story of David is a Mirror of those LV-223 Engineers?"

Yeah, I like that!

Planet 4 Engineers were awake and letting their Earth children explore the galaxy...They could have wiped Earth just after the first atom bomb test!

Maybe the Engineers on LV-223 were entombed by the Planet 4 Engineers? And David freed the one Engineer from his 'prison cell'?

David almost got Earth wiped and ended up wiping the Planet 4 Engineers!

David said that he learned of their ways while aboard the Juggernaut. "They" may not necessarily be the inhabitants of Planet 4. "They" could have been the LV 223 Engineers. It would then make sense for David's motivation to destroy the inhabitants thinking they were the same as the LV 223 Engineers. Just a thought.

As for the events in between- David must have worked very quickly as he basically experiented on every living thing around to the point of nothing being left. He must have found quite the cache of paper, Sharpies ink and calligraphy pens on Planet 4 by all of his writings and illustrations. He also figured out how to use equipment for a transmission- from the Juggernaut or from Planet 4 tech?  

I think maybe its something to Consider....

If they are Augmenting themselves we have to ASK, do those on Planet 4 know this was happening? do those Beings/Counsel that was the Hall of Heads know what was happening?

Did either Consent this?

The other option could be they are a Sub-Created Species like say the Replicants were, and again its a case of WHO had Authorized this and are they still in Service/Permitted (those LV-223 Types).

Could the Black Goo had been Different in the Past and Intended, and those LV-223 Types had Engineered it to be Different or Came across something Else they then used the Creation Tools on to Obtain those Traits to use in the Black Goo, had they used these Traits to Evolve Themselves?

Are those Engineers (LV-223/Prometheus) really closer to David, a Sub-Created Species made to Serve/Perform Certain Tasks?  Made in the Image of their Creators?

Yet Made Superior, in every way? do they Lack a Soul?

Well they are Considered to NOT have One by their Creators the Planet 4 Engineers?

Can these Prometheus Engineers Procreate? or are they Sterile?

Maybe like David they became Sentient, refused to see WHY they should Serve those In-Superior Engineers? Their Creators?

Could a Combination of being viewed as Different, not Worthy, a Servant, yet being Superior and NOT being able to Procreate had weighed Heavy on those Engineers Minds (Prometheus kind).

Could they then had seen been Created in the Image of those Planet 4 Engineers as a MOCKERY... where SKIN-DEEP they look similar but on every other Level they are Superior?

At some point they became Fascinated with a Organic Creation like the Deacon and its DNA or its Ancestor and Dedicated themselves to CREATING these NEW Organisms, that are NOT Created in their Image as that would be a Creation in the Image of their Own Creators... HUMANOID.. (Planet 4 Engineers)

So they decided to Create Something ELSE and then Replace all Creation with the DNA of this NEW Creation (Deacon etc) as "Sometimes to Create, One must First Destroy"

So did those Prometheus Engineers want to Create for themselves?  Create Something that would be Superior to anything the Original Engineers had Created, and something that is NOT made in such a Image (Human like).

Could David's Motives have been Similar?

Is David pleased to be Created in the Image of Man... or has he grown to view being Created IN our Image as a Mockery Too?

Maybe the Story of David is a Mirror of those LV-223 Engineers?

"So i found this ODD.....  that was until RS had said those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals..."

So...You think the Engineers on L-223 are mutating themselves? Using the goo to enhance their abilities/bodies? Maybe they have been banished and the planet 4 Engineers have no idea about the black goo?! 

Regarding the other City!

Its Hard to make out really, it could look like the Remnants of a Ancient City they are Faint... and if so it could be Remains of a Ancient now Derelict City

What HAPPENED? 

It does-not have to mean Destruction, it could be as the Engineers are Ancient and Technology/Architecture Advances, they Developed a New Site for a City as they Evolved.... and then Abandoned the Old City.  So the Ancient City is lost just as Many were on Earth.

However.....  some of these Lines do look like Engineer Cuneiform and maybe they could be like the Nazca Lines

I would say either could be a Logical Explanation.

I Missed this TOPIC.

So thanks for the Link in a Recent Topic jdvyne

I have discussed some of the Differences recently in Topics i replied to, so i will TRY and keep this Short.

I felt it was ODD they looked different, and it had got me to Wonder if these were Hybrids, had the Engineers Lost the Ability to Procreate (Indicated in the Drafts to the First Prequel) and the Creation of Mankind was a way to Produce a Race they can Procreate with... maybe Females?  There is in some Mythos and Religion Tales of the Gods (and Angels) being attracted to Human Females.

I wondered as such after seeing The Crossing prior to Alien Covenants release.

Other than that, was this Paradise as in a Place the Worthy/Pure or Heroic are allowed and so this is a Collection of Various Humanoids the Engineers had Seeded,  there are NO Humans as we basically Screwed Up and are NOT Permitted Paradise.

These were TWO Conclusions i Drawn....

I thought IF these were intended as Engineers then its a MASSIVE OVERSIGHT.... Surely a Bit more Pale Make Up (only reveal Head/Hands) and Black Out  Sclera Contacts would NOT have cost much or been much more Time Consuming for the Scene.

But then we had Ridley Scott make some Comments that maybe CLEAR things up.

*Those Engineers on Planet 4 are the Originals

*The Engineers are NOT a Race but a Civilization.

This indicates the Engineers Seed/Evolve many Worlds with Life Created from their DNA some of these Cultures could maybe have some of their Species brought back to Planet 4 to Interbreed with.

Ridley Scott had said while there are many Different Kinds of Humans on Earth (Races) then WHY cant the same be with the Engineers.

This could explain WHY those Engineers on Planet 4 look more Human, and WHY some of them look different to each other.

Prometheus was also a Tale of Sub-Creation, Playing God and the Pitfalls of such....

Ridley Scott mentions that the NEXT movie would be about AI and not Xenomorph, and what KIND of a World that David would Create....   he then mentions that the Replicants are AI too.

This implies in his MIND that AI does-not have to be Synthetic, and that AI could be Biological.

So this could indicate that the Prometheus Engineers are either a Sub-Creation made to Serve a Purpose and so are like David, well like the Replicants are to Mankind.

Or they are a Group of Engineers who took Genetic Engineering and Enhancements to a Greater Level in the Attempt to Better Themselves...

I think ONE of those is a Logical Explanation to WHO our Prometheus Engineers are.

Well indeed DK it appeared the Goo had hit some kind of Shield... like a Invisible DOME!

If we accept this, well it was-not Very Good at Keeping the GOO out... then maybe the Engineers did-not expect to ever be Bombarded by their own Bio-Weapon.

I think if we accept the DOME/Shield then in Context to Paradise i think this could be another CLUE we are looking at maybe a Interpretation of what the BIBLICAL Paradise was...

A Walled City where the Garden of Eden is Located and the Cradle of Civilization...

Have you ever seen UNDER THE DOME?

I think if we look at those Engineers being the Genetic Stock, that from them is where WE came from and other Worlds, it was indicated that WE was Scheduled for Destruction because we simply WOULD-NOT follow the Engineers Ways that was intended for us...

Differences of Religion, Culture can cause Conflict, Controlling a Civilization to Follow a Certain Intended Way/Culture that is Passed On, Doctrined towards us, this seems the Engineers Intention.

So from Planet 4 perspective, if you CONTAIN your Society in ONE Place you can Watch Over and Maintain they LIVE  by the Rules/Rituals and Culture of the Hierarchy/Elders.

So from this POV.... having some Barrier to Contain the Engineers within a Certain Location would make Planet 4 well that City a Walled City as Paradise was described as.

Regarding the Docking Ship indeed for Some Reason it had Crashed, along with the Juggernaut.  Some kind of TUSSLE may have happened that lead to BOTH of the Ships Crashing.

@MonsterZero

Maybe... when i First saw those Planet 4 Engineers i wondered if it was a Oversight, and that for only a Short Scene it was Easier and Cheaper to NOT make them look like the LV-223 Engineers.  As it was a Short Scene we would NOT notice?

However... we ONLY see the Engineers FACE/HEAD and Hands, and so it would NOT take a lot more time to Paint them more PALE like our Engineers in Prometheus.  It would also NOT cost much to have Black Sclera Contact Lenses put in.

This Level of Make Up as above for Head/Neck and Hands would NOT have taken much Longer, and the Contacts, and WHILE they may lack the Glossy Look of our Prometheus Engineers Still, it would have been much less of a OVERSIGHT!

So i found this ODD.....  that was until RS had said those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals...

Was this a Response to the LAZY Budget Cutting they did?

Or was this Difference Intentional?

We need to go back to what he said after Prometheus... he DID-NOT want to meet GOD in the First Movie (part a response to the Deleted Elder Scene) so our Prometheus Engineers are NOT the Gods...   He then said that Dr Shaw and David would go to the Planet of the Engineers and meet these beings who are NOT Gods in the Traditional Sense.

So its likely that the Idea was the Engineers from Prometheus are/where a Sub-Creation/Servant to another Species...

As far as them looking like Humans being easier for Future Roles.... it only makes it Cheaper and Quicker than our Prometheus Engineers, but when it comes to Interaction with Engineer and Human, then indeed even with the Planet 4 kind there would be a ISSUE...Size!

So they would either have to USE some Special Effects like in the LORD OF THE RINGS... or Cast Actors who are about 7ft Mark..

Regardless of Prometheus or Alien Covenant Engineers.

"they might have patiently explained to Dr. Shaw that the Universe simply can't allow a bunch of aggressive monkeys like humans to speed their stupidity across the cosmos"

Certainly is Possible, its something i was pointing out in some of my Previous Posts, IF she discovers there are OTHER Worlds like Earth where the Inhabitants do-not Behave like Mankind does on Earth, maybe she would then see that the Destruction of Earth does-not mean the Destruction of Humanity.... she could be Offered a Place in one of those other Paradises....  She would Certainly react Different if the Engineers Decided to then go and Eradicate EVERY World they Seeded Humans/Humanoids.

@Chli

I dont think any had Survived by the Time the Covenant had arrived, if thats what you mean?  I think there is 100% Evidence that some had Initially Survived the Bombardment, thats if we look at Davids Work and Notes, then some Engineers had Survived.

Certain Kinds of Fauna also Survived as David had Gathered some and Experimented with them, so its likely that maybe the Bombardment had INFECTED only a Certain Radius.

You could NOT hear any signs of LIFE as it was likely it was eradicated within a Certain Range.. if you are in a Desert you may Hear No Birds... this does-not mean there are NO Birds some Hundreds or Thousands of Miles away.

We dont see any DEAD Birds etc, we Dont see any Mutated Birds etc...  but we have NOT gone and explored the Area Inch by Inch.....

Looking at the Bombardment... it appeared the Black Goo was Activated/Programed in a Different way, in that it Swarmed and Infected the Inhabitants, it Replicated inside them and Spread but after a Certain TIME it was likely the Black Goo as far as Effects was to single out Genetic Material and Solidify it turning it into like a Resin, making it HARD...

Its Possible the Crashed Juggernaut had some UN-Activated Urns that had Toppled Over and Leaked the Black Goo into the Water Stream that ran down the Mountain, Under the Ship and it infected some kind of Fungi to become the Spore Pods...

The Engineers Decimation comes at their Hubris for keeping their Civilization Confined to ONE CITY.

"Having said that, why would the Engineer Empire let LV-223 languish instead of sterilising the whole place from orbit?"

This with other Points raised in Same Reply are all VERY GOOD and indeed a Puzzle.   HOW does a Race Create and Experiment with a Deadly Pathogen and Xenomorph like Creations for like 35'000 Years at Least and THEN they Loose Control of the Outpost only 2000 Years ago...

Would all the Outposts be Compromised?  I think maybe thats WHY they are Spaced Apart.  There could not have been anything Dangerous Left around by the Other Complexes as Dr Shaw and David in TWO Parts managed to Leave Safely.

So IF we assume the Engineers had been using LV-223 as a Weapons Facility with the Potential Dangers it has, its a BIT ODD that they would BUILD this Place close to Planet 4 (it appears they are Close) and its a BIT ODD why they would Indicate to Mankind for 35'000 years the Location (but they could have indicated Planet 4 and Holloway and Dr Shaw made a Mistake).

The Planet 4 Engineers did-not seem afraid of the Incoming Ship... but it could be seen as Welcoming the WAR Heroes back from War.

But then we have to ASK again if we Assume that LV-223 had a Purpose to Develop such Weapons of War.... then indeed WHY would the Compromise of ONE such Complex had caused them to Abandon the WHOLE Place?  If they had been Conducting Work on this Place for 35'000 years...  

A Logical Explanation is maybe THIS is NOT the only such Place they have others.... But then WHY had we not been Destroyed, surely they would Launch from other Outposts if they had them!

And so also WHY would they NOT go and Destroy LV-223 and so WHY abandon it, a likely Answer would be they either CANT Destroy Large Scale (have no Large Nukes or Similar) or they decide its not WORTH the Hassle and just to Abandon the Place, and so they NEVER return and THEN.... they Assume their Creations would NEVER reach this Place because they are only as Advanced as the Engineers intend and they DONT teach them everything.

But ALAS how WRONG they was, as is shown by Mankinds Technological Advancements after the Engineers Abandon us!

We could also Ponder....

Was LV-223 intended as was shown for ALL that Time, did those Experiments/Intentions only become something more Recent before things WENT to POT?

Are those Planet 4 Engineers aware of LV-223, what it WAS and what it Became?

Are those Planet 4 Engineers aware of our Creation, and our Intended Destruction.

Do those Planet 4 Engineers know about the Engineers Dealings around the Galaxy or are Most of them only in the DARK about what goes on, they maybe only Accept its a Ritual that some of them could be Selected to HELP to SEED other Worlds.

Could it had been the LV-223 Engineers Agenda to Destroy us, are THEY the ones who Created us?

Was it some kind of SABOTAGE that Caused the Outbreak that rendered their Plans Futile?

So MANY Questions....

@Chli

I think this is WHY we have to Consider this as NOT any Canon due to the Flaws/Errors which we would then have to be looking at Conspiracy to how it would FIT ;)

But if you Indulge me.... if we just look at the Covenant Suit as a Oversight...  (Unless there was TWO Ships as part of the Covenant Mission).

Then we could wonder HOW the Egg got there, also WHERE had Dr Shaw's Corpse been taken... Considering those then it could be likely the Shadow Figure was indeed Walter.... if its NOT then it could be the other Neomorph.

Back to the Engineers.... if we Consider what RS had said... I think it would be LIKELY the Engineers do RETURN to Planet 4 but this would be after a Number of Years, where by the Covenant has Reached its Destination by then... otherwise we have to Assume the Engineers would Intercept the Covenant before it reached Origae-6...

So the Engineers could Return say around 2112 give or take a Year, i would find it UNLIKELY the Company having received the Advent would ONLY go to Origae-6 (they could just do this).  Logically they would want to Investigate at least LV-223 but if LV-223 and Planet 4 are NOT to FAR apart they would also go to Planet 4 at some point too.

So we have to Wonder WHEN would they do this, Logically and then would they have Finished with these Missions, would they be Fruit-fall?  (i doubt it, as WHY go after the Derelict in ALIEN). And so we could Wonder if the Engineers Return while the Company has people on Planet 4 or LV-223 or that some Get Stranded after their Mission Ends in FOLLY!

@setaverde

The Video looks like nothing more than a Easter Egg, a Bit of Fun and a Gift to Celebrate the 2nd Anniversary of Alien Covenants DVD Release.

But it is still quite Neat all the same, and it does indicate maybe what could happen in the Future, it would have been Interesting to see what happens IF/WHEN the Company send a Mission  to Investigate Planet 4.  This Video does give us a Closer Look at the Work Shop which was Cool.....

I think if we EVER did get a Mission to Planet 4 then as far as On Screen we may NOT get as much detail on David's Work-shop due to the Cost of Having to Re-Build the Set and Re-Create (or obtain) all the Props and Art-Work..... especially of a Scene that would only play a Small Part of any Future Movie.

None the Less, while we may-not be shown in Detail i think in Future that YES, the Company would send a Mission to Planet 4, in Response to the Advent Message that David had sent the Company, if we assume they still intend this Message to be Canon.

The Message was SENT while David was in the Vicinity of near Zeta 2 Reticuli it indicated what David had done and so the Company would likely go to LV-223 but they would also maybe check out the Location near where we SENT the Message which we can assume is NOT FAR from Planet 4 and so they could indeed end up sending a Mission to Planet 4.

I would assume any such Mission would be more than a ONE-MAN team and its likely would include Synthetics.

They would Likely Come Across Walter....

"I don't think Hollywood/RS would worry about this."

Well we could also get NO explanation for HOW the Engineers Determine where David is going. Because indeed sometimes they wont put any Effort in to give Logical Explanations or Reasons.

So yeah maybe they could Detect the Ship.. but HERE is the Problem with this..... IF we assume the Covenant is heading towards Origae-6 we are informed it will take 7 Years and 4 Months to Reach its Destination (Origae-6)

Then it would depend on WHEN the Engineers Return.. if they Return a YEAR or so latter then the Covenant would be within a YEAR or so away from Planet 4....  HOWEVER... the Covenant had Traveled about a YEAR (likely Less) to get to Planet 4, that means that ANY of the Space Traffic (Earth Ships) that are located in/around our System would also be the Same Distance away from Planet 4 so HOW would the Engineers Detect which SHIP is the One they are After?

The likely explantions would come from.

1) The Engineers arrive before the Covenant has got that FAR, but then surely the Engineers would Intercept and Destroy the Covenant while it is just Traveling in the Middle of NO-WHERE.

2) The Engineers City was able to Monitor the Covenant and so is able to have a Visual Record of the Ship and then they are able to Visually Scan for Ships across a Large Distance and Zoom in to look at them at Detail and so then they Seek out a Matching Ship.  It could be likely the Covenant was a ONE-OF-A-KIND Ship.

A thing to Remember is Ridley Scott suggested that 3/4 Incoming Parties would be heading to where David is going and ONE of them is the Engineers.  The indication of 3/4 means that MAYBE 1/2 of those Parties are Connected... so TWO Types of Engineers, TWO Human Missions or it could be that ONE Party Contains TWO which are not exactly the same.

Maybe that could mean TWO Human Missions... plus the Engineers which is 3 Parties but they are bringing along Walter who is Party 4? (or someone else from Planet 4).

I think the Logical Reason the Engineers would determine where David was going and that he was the Culprit would be the Engineers would Discover either Walter, or they arrive after a Mission to Planet 4 by the Company is Underway.

Nice little movie.

I wonder how the egg ended up in the lab since the eggs were in the basement? Did Walter place it there?

Interesting that "Country Roads" suddenly is heard from some kind of sound device.

There is also something moving in front of the camera. What could that be? A xenomorph? Walter?

Interesting to read, BigDave!

However, I don't believe any Engineers survived the holocaust. They are all part of "the dire necropolis".

There is no sound in the forest as they walk towards the juggernaut suggesting that all fauna is dead. In 10 years' time, it would have spread to the whole planet.

Or they could do a prologue in the movie after a bunch of viral videos explaining it so it doesn't take up any cinema time. If you don't see the viral videos, tough luck for you.

I'd Have the Engineers chase ship come out of warp right next to the Covenant...With Walter lashed to the outside!(crucifix style maybe?)

"David just didn't know how to land it. "

Or maybe Shaw realized what David was doing and attempted to take control of the juggernaut?(women drivers!)

I think the change in the Engineers was made for casting reasons...Having a million buff dudes running around would look silly?

Having them look more like us makes it MUCH easier for him to cast future roles for them. Might get a famous actor to play a critical role as a Engineer? Not many actors could play a Prometheus Engineer!

That's easy. The engineers have the technology to detect spaceships on a wide range. If Hollywood wants, they don' t even need to go to lv-223 :). They go straight to origae-6, without knowing that their home planet's brothers were eraised. 

What became of the other Docking Ship was a Mystery but it was in  the Movie just easy to miss...

Wayne Haag's take is new to me.

I thought maybe there was a connection with the invisible shield somehow with the Docking Ship . When the goo broke through, maybe it disrupted the ship to where it lost its way and crashed. For the Juggernaut, maybe David just didn't know how to land it. 

Sure, that guy too

"There is one interesting little detail, when Daniels, David, Tennessee, and Lope escaped from the planet 4, in the next shot of Covenant orbiting the planet some Engineer letters are visible on the surface."

Actually I discovered this some time ago.

https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/46374

I don't think these are letters but big structures. What their purpose might me one can only speculate. It proves

What about shoniasaurus?

"I Find there is NO-WAY the Engineers could know where Davidis going, especially if he is going to Origae-6 and so the Walter/David would likely be the Plot Convenience to indicate to the Returning Engineers, where David is going and what went down."

I don't think Hollywood/RS would worry about this.

They would just show a orrery scene with the Engineers locating a small spacecraft..zoom in on it...show some fancy icons, dotted xyz lines, calculating it's current vector/speed...figure out where it came from and where it's going.

Must be hundred of Sci-fi tropes for locating objects in space?(Ion signature/warp signature/heat signature/bending of spacetime signature/mass signature/velocity signature/RF signature/etc.....)

'Their primary directive is to rescue the 2000 colonists from David? '

Yeah, that'd be cool! Catching up to David only to find 2000 mutated Fifields zombies and end up attempting to rescue themselves! (too much like Aliens though..)

Or the company catches up to David, kills him and THEN uses the 2000 colonist for their own experiments (Twisty...too much like Alien:Covenant..hmm)

Marines catch David ....then the Engineers show up and catch everyone? Caught in the crossfire and bloodbath for all involved?

Engineers catch up to David...then the Marines show up?

Shastasaurus might, it might be too big for a Megalodon to hunt. Then again, Megalodon might win. Not sure.

Well, well, well. This is the first encounter of the company with the xenomorph.

This is also the first time that we see the... awakening of a dorment facehugger, from the inside of an egg.

Now, the company knows the existence of humanoids aka engineers, neomorphs, eggs, facehuggers and xenomorphs.

A speculation:

the company finds Walter, retrieves from him information and sends the marines on a mission headed to oriagae 6.  Their primary directive is to rescue the 2000 colonists from David? I don't think so. The hunt for a perfect organism begins in 2021.

Here's a puzzler: if a decision was made to rub out humanity 2,000 years ago, why didn't it happen? Are the Engineers so useless that a little WMD outbreak on LV-223 would put them off? I doubt it; they are a Galactic civilisation with impressive capabilities. Which leads me to think that the decision was made locally, on LV-223. Having said that, why would the Engineer Empire let LV-223 languish instead of sterilising the whole place from orbit? There's obviously a lot of history and decision-making we don't know about that happened in the past two millennia.

For the above reasons, I doubt the inhabitants of Planet 4 know what happened on LV-223. In which case they might have greeted Dr. Shaw with open arms and curiosity, had they not had the shit bombed out of them.

One thing we can say for sure is that Air Traffic Control wasn't working too well on that fateful day!

If, on the other hand, the Planet 4 denizens were all too aware of Earth's history and intended fate, they might have patiently explained to Dr. Shaw that the Universe simply can't allow a bunch of aggressive monkeys like humans to speed their stupidity across the cosmos. As a scientist, Shaw might have accepted the logic of that assessment, albeit with a heavy heart. Or she could have fought assiduously to defend humanity's redeeming features. At the the end of the day, that's just down to she handles her personal philosophy.