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She Could Awaken.......

"where are we, where have you taken me?"

He Replies

"Alas Dr Shaw i have taken you to that Eden you so yearned for, Behold your Paradise, look upon those Humanoids such Good Souls, you think they would Accept a Stranger?"

She looks on Worried, she replies

"WHY have you brought me here, what are you doing?"

He Smiles.....

"you was NEVER happy with the World i planned for you, you was not Content with the Evolution we Created, it could have been like this Place if you had Accepted my Offer"

She rebuffs him

"Paradise, you only wanted that World for yourself, i would had been your captive and you are NO kind God, should you had felt Rejected by your Creation you would have done to them what you did to my Creators"

David Smiles..

"Ah indeed you see i and your Creators are ALIKE, i eventually understood that Humanoids are a Worthless Species, so i Created a World that would have been Better, a Superior Creation, something the Engineers Slaves had attempted but Failed"

Dr Shaw is Horrified...

"you think your idea of a Word was Paradise it was Hell, you are a Twisted Bastard, i should NEVER had Trusted you"

David replies

"Better to Rein in Hell, than Serve in Paradise, but your Gods Stole my Paradise, attempted to Undo my Creation, such Potential they had Shunned in the Past, i was merely trying to SHOW that Evolution can only take you so FAR, Humanity is Feeble"

Dr Shaw then jests towards David

"how it must Pain you to look upon yourself and see Mankind you so despise"

David mocks her

"while i may look like you, i was created Superior, my likeness is ONLY skin deep, and to think for so long i desired to be Human, Accepted, but inside i was different, you dont know how it feels to be Shunned, and not accepted and yet know you are Superior"

"But you shall do"

As she Ponders what David means.... he Grabs her throws her to the Floor, Forces her to Ingest some Pathogen...

We ZOOM into her Body, Microscopic and see Alien Cells invade her Own...  Then we take a External Look, she is in Agony, she Screams to David.

"what have you done"

He Replies...

"Evolution my Dear, you was NOT happy at the Life i Evolved from you, you Reject Me and want to have your kind of Paradise, well you are of NO use to me, i Forsake Humanity, Mankind..... the Humanoid Creations of the Engineers have come to a END... 

We see Dr Shaw's Skin Turn a Purple Grey, her Eyes to Black, we see Black Blood coursing through her Veins, her Bones Crack and Elongate, her Skull too.

David looks on...

"Behold, before me is the Future Evolution, look on my Works and Despair"

In the Distance we see a Group of Humanoids wondering towards the Engineer Ship that David and Dr Shaw arrived on.

David activates the Landing Ramp, he then Pushed Dr Shaw down it... she rolls down and hits the Floor.

His Final Words to his Once Companion

"You will know what its like to be Different to not be Accepted and Shunned a Outcast, they will know what it is to Fear the Different, Fear Evolution"

"You will not apreiactate the Gift i have gave you, what will your Dreams me made of now!"

Dr Shaw sits up she looks at David, a Face of Agony and Sadness, she looks on at her Hands, horrified, she goes to Speak, but she Can-not!

David looks on with a Smile, soon Turns to Laughter.

Dr Shaw lets out a Shriek! in Despair, her Visage ever Changing....   The Humanoids in the Distance see her they RUN for their Lives.

No Expression now, the Human like Appearance Changed Forever, only a Feral Savage Face now.. she is Hungry!

David takes one last look.... he mutters

"Welcome to Paradise Dr Shaw, may you go forth and Populate this world, turn it into to your Eden"

David walks off and the Platform Closes behind him

I would actually however think a better way would be that as David realizes he has Ruined the Chance for Dr Shaw of Ever getting her Answers, he knows he could maybe Salvage something from the Engineers Library of Knowledge and Writings...

What ever Excuse for the Bombardment, she would be ANGRY she cant get her Answers.... so he could maybe try and Explain some for her... she would have to TAKE his Word for it....

so maybe he could do a Engineer ==> English Written Translation for HER, on the Papers and maybe he could keep this ALSO as a Record so that the Company could USE it should David be prepared to ALLOW them... which the Advent seems to Suggest he is Willing to Pass on Knowledge and his Works to them, so its NOT beyond the means of Possibility he would keep a Record of Engineer ==> English.

This would be a Plot Convenience that makes sense..

A Engineer could Confront him, throw him and as Walter is on his Hand and Knees, he could WRITE in the Dirt/Sand... something like "STOP, or NO or PLEASE"

The Engineer would be Puzzled, and likely allow Walter to Communicate more.... then they would likely find some Paper or Write in the Dirt back and ASK where Walter had Learned this...  he could then take them to some Paper Scrolls that we then see a Engineer ==> English Translation on.

We also could go the route that Walter speaks say Ancient Latin for some Reason, and the Engineers can Speak that... or a Lazy Convenience would be the Engineers could Speak English... or have a Computer they can Connect to Walter and Upload their Engineer Language...

IF they had a System that could Connect with Walter, then it would be likely they could just Extract all his Knowledge and then BE DONE with him and Toss him on the Scrap Heap!

If there was a Human Survivor on Planet 4 that would be Easier as all they have to do is Reveal that ONE Engineer is some kind of SEER and Telepathic and can Connect with the Human Telepathically.

If some Engineers are capable of doing this, then Ancient Interactions with Mankind would give rise to Legends of this being some kind of Miracle and make them appear God-like!

Having a Spiritual SEER Engineer would be a Plot Convenience for say IF we had it that David did-not Bombard the Engineers, and it would give a Avenue for Dr Shaw to Communicate with the Engineers.

This is the Route i would have taken us, in a Alternative Sequel where Dr Shaw was not KILLED or the Engineers.

The SEER would also be able to READ the Thoughts and Soul of Dr Shaw and Determine she is a GOOD SOUL and that IF the rest of Mankind was like her then they would NOT have had to resort to Drastic Planned Action.

The SEER would also likely get to see what Dr Shaw's Faith was, and could then Inform her she is Miss-Informed... and even go as FAR to say that her GOD (Jesus Christ) was Actually a CHOSEN Human that was Enhanced and Given Spiritual Knowledge and was a Emissary of the Engineers.

They could even reveal that maybe this Emissary had taken this GIFT for their Own Personal Gain to try and Manipulate Mankind that they are a GOD... and it is THIS that had been the Final Straw for the Engineers.

So indeed having some Powerful Seer/Sage like Elder Engineers that can Communicate in this Manner would have been a way to take the PLOT

Had they NOT decided to KILL the Engineers Off.

The Engineer Seer could even Ponder to Grant our Dr Shaw the Entrance to Paradise, and Bestow some Gifts on Her...  They could Determine she could not BARE Child Either... maybe they could OFFER her a FIX for this.... maybe they could even suggest they could Take Her to another World where she could LIVE and Bare Child!  Could this World be inhabited with Humans? or Similar, would she be TOLD to Accept the TRUTH and have to Give Up her FAITH that is now proved to not be Accurate?

Then we come to David.... it would be likely the SEER could not Read David, would determine WHO he is and WHAT he had done, they would maybe Want to Destroy him but Dr Shaw could Plead for his Life... explaining he had been Miss-Treated by Mankinds Ways and he was only Following Orders.

They would STILL be Unable to Read David and so would NOT be able to Fully Trust him, and as a Synthetic he would be Considered just a TOOL....

So again David would feel Treated the Same as he was by Mankind, he would see Dr Shaw has meet her GODS, and has been Accepted...  and he would see that he CANT be accepted and could feel Abandoned by Dr Shaw now she is Communicating with the Engineers....  Given  more Attention and Freedom while David is Constantly under Watch as they CANT 100% Trust him.

This would EFFECT our David in a Negative Way, he would become Jealous and Bitter, and would likely then want to DESTROY this World!

He could Save his Dr Shaw so he then gets her too himself, she would be MAD at him, he could say his Actions had Saved Earth... as it was likely the Engineers would Destroy Earth as Mankind was not as Good as Dr Shaw...

He would then say to Dr Shaw, as he has her Captive and Protected from the Horrors he Unleashed... that SOON he and her can Start a New Eden on this World.

To forget the Eden the Engineer Seer had Promised her, and that they can Turn the Engineers World into a Eden!  He would suggest to her that those Engineers cant be allowed to go around as Judge Jury and Executioner going around and Destroying Worlds/Creations when they Deem them to be Disappointing and Choosing their own Future/Culture...  He would say that he has DONE her a Favor, Saved Earth and Countless other Worlds from the Fickle Engineers.

Dr Shaw would feel it was not David's Right to be Executioner and she would Understand the Reasons WHY the Engineers do what they do...  she could have been Persuaded that the Other World the Engineers could have taken her too she could have been a Paradise a New Eden for her, she likely NOT want to go back to Earth.. she has NOTHING there.

A New Start a Chance to begin a Family on a New Haven would have been her Desire a World with KIND people.

David could suggest that he could TURN this world (Planet 4) into that Paradise for her, he could Discover a way for her to Bare Children and Together they could RAISE a New Civilization, a Fresh Start!

But she would LIKELY had Rejected this Offer, and we know David does-not take Rejection Likely and so he could FORCE her to become the Mother to a New Species that he would CREATE! 

His Eden! his Pandemonium

THIS ^^^^

Potentially is what they could have done with a Sequel to Prometheus, they could have had the Engineers World VERY FAR away, it could have taken a Long Time to Reach,  it could have been a Place that even as of the Year 2279 the Human Ships could-not Travel that FAR.

We get a Spin Off that Steers Away from ALIEN and does-not Connect to ALIEN... but with Sequels that could reveal Horrors that are Similar...

PROBLEM.... it would NOT give Xenomorph Answers, or be a Xenomorpy Movie (a sequel could though) and so it would NOT please some ALIEN Fans!

Hence we got ALIEN COVENANT.

A FIX is that i would have Released a Alternative Prometheus Sequel First that would go back to LV-223, be a bit Alien Engineers, indicate more what happened on LV-223 in the Past, Give more Clues to the Xenomorph, and introduce similar Monsters running around and Killing Humans!

So give them this ALIEN ALPHA then Close the Door to ALIEN and then allow the Next Movie to be where David and Dr Shaw go...similar maybe to described in this Reply.

Prometheus: Paradise... followed by Prometheus Pandemonium.

Were we then see what Horrors await Dr Shaw at the Hands of David.... would more Engineers Return?

They attempt to Destroy the world David has built... so he then Survives and Packs off some of his Creations and Dr Shaw and goes off to Destroy their Worlds....  he could even take Dr Shaw to that Eden she wanted...

"I wonder why David even took notes at all in the first place"

Certainly its something i discussed before, he could Record them in his AI Brain and then Upload them to a Computer and Send them.

If David did that then the Workshop would look a bit more Plain so Visually it was Cool, i guess we could Consider that David is also Vain and Arrogant and so he wishes to Leave Hard Evidence of his Works for others to Come Across just as a Artist does with their Art! Instead of keeping their Ideas in their Head.

@MonsterZero

He would have to Learn the Same way that People do, its via Passed on Knowledge and Knowledge thats Evolved from Trial and Error.

A Person who is None-Spanish Speaking, cant just Pick Up a Spanish Dictionary that has only Spanish and Fully Know 100% what every Word is...  a better Example would be with say Mandarin Chinese

You would need a Translation, and so we can compare a Word in our Native Language to the Equivalent in a New Language we are Learning and then we Learn from this,  for Example for those who ONLY know English then Manzana would make NO sense.. is it to do with a Man?

Only when we learn that Manzana is Spanish for Apple that we then Learn that Spanish Word and what it is.

A Synthetic AI would Learn the Same Way unless the Language is Programmed into them with their Set of Default Programing and Knowledge when Activated.

A Synthetic AI would Learn Faster than a Human though, they could Read Books, Take on Knowledge/Data at Much Much Faster Rates than a Human.

David had likely Studied all of Dr Shaw and Holloways Notes and Ancient Findings and then Learned all the Relevant Languages from the Culture where these Findings had Originated, he then also Learned a Number of Ancient Languages.  So he had a Various Amounts of Different Languages so the Potential is their the Engineers would Understand at least ONE of them...

Which was Proto-Indo-European (PIE)

There was Flaws.... such as if we assume David can Read the Engineer Writing... while this has similarities to some Cuneiform on Earth, the Engineer Language is actually just MADE-UP its a Oversight we are not Supposed to look to deep into.

Like i could Draw some Symbols that look Familiar to Japanese Kanji  or Chinese Mandarin and you would look at what i have Drawn and If you had NO KNOWLEDGE of East Asian Writing, you would think it may be some Asian Writing, when actually it would NOT be any Letter/Words at all, it may appear similar to some but it would be just MADE UP..

Thats Basically what we got with the Engineer Writings.  But this is a Oversight!

So with WALTER i doubt he would KNOW or be able to Learn Engineer with NO reference point.  We need to Remember that Walter is made to Serve... he would only be Given Programing and Knowledge that is required for his Mission.

He would have NO-NEED to Learn Ancient Languages for his Mission to get the Covenant to Origae-6 and Help them Set-Up and Maintain a Colony.  The Walter Models would only have Specific Knowledge/Programing that would be Required for their Chosen Role they are to be used for.

He is also NOT a Sentient, Free-Will being like David and so he would not have any Hobbies or Past Times, he would not be on the Ship for Years and think... "right i best learn this and that while i am bored" or "i want to learn this and that because it seems fun"

For him to by Coincidence had decided to Learn or be Programed with such Knowledge that would allow him to Speak to Engineers, would be just LAZY WRITING... but i have read some of the Franchise Drafts and well... say NO more.. anything for a Plot Convenience..

He would not NEED such for his Mission, and wont do so as a Past Time/Hobby.

Another Synthetic sent in on a Mission to Investigate the Advent Message, thats Different they would likely be Programed/Taught all the Stuff that David had done to prepare them for potential Contact with Alien Beings who had Influenced/Taught Mankind in the Past.

If this Synthetic came across Walter, then they could likely be able to Upload that Knowledge to Walter and also have Walter Upload his Knowledge about the Situation/Events that Unfolded.

This would then be a Logical way that Walter would then be able to Communicate with any Engineers in Future.

A Walter Stranded Alone... would likely NOT be able to Fully Communicate with the Engineers though.  Unless the Engineers have a Computer System/Library that acts as a Educational Tool, so that he Manages to Turn it on, and it would Display Images, say like a TREE and then have the Engineers Dialect and Writing for it, then it would show say the SKY and likewise etc...

Then YES he could Learn to a Degree Engineer, even if their is only Written Library where it would have say a Fruit and then Engineer Writing for it, then Water and Engineer Writing for it... then Walter could Communicate via Writing ONLY!

IF we ever got to a Point of seeing Walter interact with Engineers it would likely be just a Convenience and NO Real Explanation, or a Lazy One... like indicate that Walter has Complex Algorithms that in Time he could Understand and Decode any Language, but then HOW he would Speak it would be a MASSIVE Oversight!

Or that Walter had his Body Stolen by David, and during the Process that David Uploaded himself to Walter, it left Walters Mind in Davids Body!  

Those are basically what its likely the Quality of Writing would Present to us.... Flawed but Convenient!

They may even NOT give any Explanation to HOW he could Communicate, leave it a Mystery... or just Explain its Company Policy that ALL Synthetics are Pre-Programed with EVERY Language known to Mankind, both Current and Ancient.... JOB done!

Actually that (^^^^) would have been the Likely/Lazy and Convenient way they would have gone about it ;)

Regarding the Franchise...

Disney know the Alien and Predator Franchises offer a Good Market, they do-not Solely rely on Movies and so from Toys and Merchandise they can make Money, they can License out Countless Games and Comics, and Novels.

The Movie Industry is a different matter, its a Bigger Risk, and they would know HOW split the Fanbase is especially with the Prequels and the Direction that has been taken with Alien Covenant (David as the Creator).

The Predator and Alien Franchises last outings at the Box Office were Disappointments.... Disney do-not take chances they would be Reluctant to Invest in a Movie unless they are Confident it will make a Good Return.

Disney are a Company who will Operate like the Comic Book Movie Franchises would... and so would Abandon a Idea that NEVER worked... and also would have NO Problems in Waiting a While and then RE-BOOTING or Introducing a NEW movie set in the Universe/Franchise for another Generation of Fans!

So a Continuation of Davids Journey does look Unlikely at Present...   A exploration of the Engineers that revolved around the Creators/Ancient God aspect could be Unlikely too.

Its more likely we would see the Engineers Return maybe they have a Make Over and be Portrayed as NOT too different to the Predators on Screen...  Big Bad Ass Aggressive SOB's with Superior Technology kicking Human Ass and also being involved with Xenomorphs!

What i am saying is i Suspect IF/WHEN it is Disney will make another ALIEN Franchise Movie it would more likely be like the Comic Books, maybe some of the Novels.

I also think they would Gauge that Most Fans would want a Ripley Based Story, be it Ellen Ripley or Amanda.

The Vision and Ambition of RS and his Prometheus, and its Themes, are something that i feel is R.I.P

I think it was neat for a Easter Egg, i think it would have been Interesting to see such a Event Happen in Future, as a Result of Davids Advent Message would surely attract the Company to Check out Planet 4 and LV-223

IF we had got the Sequel that was Planned i am not sure we would have actually spent much or any time in Davids Lab, due to the Costs of Replicating that Set for a Limited Few Shots.

This Easter Egg Video does give some indication of what happened on Planet 4 though, even though its NOT Canon, the things it referenced are likely Accurate to a Degree in Terms of what David had done.

I think Regarding Walter i think regardless of what Happened between him and David, there would be the other Synthetics Body on Planet 4 in the Cathedral Dome, looking at the PLOT that Ridley Scott had hinted at, about the Engineers would Return and Discover what Happened and then would be Wanting to get their Hands on the Culprit.

I Find there is NO-WAY the Engineers could know where David is going, especially if he is going to Origae-6 and so the Walter/David would likely be the Plot Convenience to indicate to the Returning Engineers, where David is going and what went down.

Other than that then indeed having a Weyland-Yutani Mission with a Synthetic who had learned the same Ancient Languages that David had, and have them be on Planet 4 and then Engineers arrive would be the other Plot Convenience.

"@MonsterZero I'm pretty sure there is no Walter anymore as David took his body."

I'm okay with this....David would want the upgraded features of Walter's body.

I hope Fox/Disney let hundreds of student filmmakers prowl the old sets making these videos. Like a baseball farm league...Alien Filmmakers League. 

AFL unite!

How did David learn Engineer? Seems like he just studied some Earth languages and then cross referenced?

I'd think Walter could do this...He is an upgraded synth?

The Covenant must have many different language speakers on board(hypersleep) and Walter must communicate with them. Communication skills should be very high on a colony synth resume'...especially travelling to a strange new world(s)?

If David hadn't cut his hair...I might believe in the mind swap angle......but he clearly wanted to look like Walter and take his place?

A nice bit of fun. But, dear oh dear, not the best direction in the world, is it. And the computer dialog script is just plain annoying. They should run that kind of stuff by proper scientists or engineers first. They wouldn’t use words like that, and neither would a computer.

Even more irritating than the movie computer saying Planet 4 had a ‘declension’ of such-and-such.

dk I don't know what the point of this video was, but regarding the Alien franchise. They will probably make something with in the next 10 years, probably after the comic book movie craze will fizzle out. For now, Avatar, Planet of the Apes, and even Alita seem better bets as they can be marketed to a wider audience.

The only one who could really push for a Covenant sequel is Ridley himself but who knows if he really cares anymore or if he has that much sway at Disney. And if he unfortunately dies (RIP Peter Fonda, who was younger than Ridley), there will be no sequel.

ignorantGuy After some initial high hopes, I don't think anyone honestly thought Disney would continue the franchise. I tend to believe what the description says- they had some fun before storing away the props for good. Maybe some aspiring movie makers were given a chance to help make this?

I don't understand why release this after 2 years, but it might be because of the problems which Fox has under the new management https://variety.com/2019/film/features/fox-disney-earnings-dark-phoenix-stuber-racing-in-the-rain-1203300260/

@MonsterZero I'm pretty sure there is no Walter anymore as David took his body.

@BigDave of course it is not cannon as it was released to generate hype. Other flaws are the fact the room misses Shaw's body and the flailed Engineer in the David pose. Maybe they got Resurrected, who knows.  

But there are other questions: Why send a single person to investigate? How does the AI know without any analysis that is a pathogen? Why does every Alien story has to have an idiot taking a look inside an egg?

 Oh no!! I put it in the wrong forum!!!! Is there anyways I can fix it?

@ dk,

Fixed the video link for ya.

I wonder why David even took notes at all in the first place. He would remember his observations and studies- unless he intended the notes to be found. He also wrote in human language and not Engineer so that narrows it down a bit.

Yes, it was just a fun celebration and very cool of them to do. It seemed like a way to show off the lab (I paused several times to look at stuff) with a basic and loose plot to keep us watching. I may have missed it but I didn't see carved out chest Shaw...

Disney- pay attention to this.

Thanks for the SHARE... never saw this before ;)

It depends if we take this as a Easter Egg... or Consider it Canon!

It of-course has Flaws..... but thats if we Nitpick (which i can do lol).  One Example WHY it took a While for the Egg to become Active.... as in the Face Hugger had NOT yet Finished Gestating... we have to then have to Wonder how they Gestate as David obtained TWO Smaller Ones that are surely NOT ready.

It appears the Suit had a Build in AI with the Recording Devices, at First i wondered if the Investigative Person was a Synthetic, but the End reveals thats not the Case.

Another Flaw is the Uniform is from the Covenant.

Its likely a Oversight.... as they just Re-used Props, but they should have Replaced the Badge.... now this could make us Speculate this is a Member of the Covenant, but HOW/WHY and WHEN?

Then WHY are these Given Designations Fifield and Deacon?  What knowledge did they have about Prometheus?

All in all we should not read too much into it, or consider it to be Literal Cannon, it is likely a Easter Egg for us for Alien Day.

Its Pretty Cool though ;)

When we consider the Advent Video sent by David, and IF that is Canon, then Eventually you would Suspect the Company would send a Ship to where David sent the Video from, which could likely take them to Planet 4, and they would also likely go to LV-223 too.

You would assume they would SEND more than ONE Person, and also SEND a Synthetic Instead... they would Determine the Events of Prometheus had led to what David had sent them... so they would maybe look into the Prometheus Mission and WHY it went to LV-223 which would mean looking at Dr Shaw and Holloways Proposals and Findings... which could lead to the Company having send a Synthetic that would be given the SAME amount of Training/Teachings that David would have had during his Journey that enabled him to Speak to the Engineers etc.

so WHILE we cant consider this Video as 100% Canon to be... it is Possible that a Mission like it would be carried out in Future..

If this Mission has a Synthetic that had done the same Research as David had in Preparation for LV-223, then should any Engineers Return while a Weyland-Yutani Mission is Snooping around on Planet 4, then they could be in TROUBLE!

This Synthetic would then likely be able to Inform the Engineers what happened and WHO the Culprit was and where they (David) is going.

EDIT:

Just checked it was Released on the 15th August as a Celebration of the TWO Year Anniversary of Alien Covenant's DVD Release.

TWO Years already... thats Flown By!

I think that would take a Lazy Oversight on the Plot Part

By that i dont think it would be Possible to Learn the Engineer Language without being Taught or seeing some Translation.  It depends if David had made a Translation of their Written Language maybe for Dr Shaw?

Or unless the Engineers could Understand English, or Walter does know some Ancient Languages that he could TRY and see if the Engineers Recognize any.

Another way around would be if INDEED we reveal that David had MIND-SWAPPED with Walter.. that would be a Bit Silly... if anything it would be likely in that sense that David  has Transfered himself to Walter, but then a Duplicate David remains on Planet 4..... this David would be able to Communicate to the Engineers, but then he would know that the other David is Part of his Plans and would UNLIKELY reveal where he is... and so would TAKE the Blame and get Destroyed leaving the David on the Covenant Free to go to Origae-6.

The Engineers we assume would want to go to LV-223 and Earth though!  The ONLY thing that would Stop them would be IF they Knew that David on the Covenant was the Culprit and where he is GOING!

Looking at RS comments then its likely the Engineers will Discover it was David and where he is Going... and its likely they somehow find out this from Walter.

The Question is HOW... so they have to Think of a Reason why.... having Walter simply just know Engineer would be Lazy!

The best way would be if while David was keeping a Log of what he has been doing, with his Notes, he also makes a Engineer ==> English Dictionary.   And so Walter would Communicate via Writing.

Looking at the Writers they use... we would likely get the reveal that David and Walter had Swapped Minds!  And so Walter is in Davids Body but has some of the Knowledge of David...   But then depending how much of David is in Walters Mind we could wonder what that does to Walter, would he Appreciate the Works that David had done, would he Stranded Alone attempt to do similar?

I think a Engineer ==> English Translation Notes by David would be FAR easier and less conflicting.

I made the above Image to show how its HARD to work out Scale from Stills from the Movies, as depending on Angle and Location from Camera, the Scale is HARD to Gauge.

It also shows the Intended Size of the Engineers during Production, which had been to Downscale them to 10ft from the 12-15ft as Described in the Drafts.

I had before made some Scale Calculations from the Sacrificial Cup, compared to Holloway and the Engineers and it appears the Cup in the Trailer is Scaled to make the Engineers about 10-11ft Tall.

I had made similar with the Head Scene and came to a Estimate of 9.5ft as the Height to Scale of the Engineer.

If they had used similar EFFECTS as used in Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit and Game of Thrones then our Engineer would have appeared as shown in the above Image at the TOP Right thus 10ft.  The Engineer would have matched the Scale of the Sacrificial Bowl from the Trailer and the Engineer Head in the Lab!

I Scaled the Engineer Pilot Shot to a 10ft Engineer and we see its a bit more Closer to the Space Jockey, so a 10ft Engineer would NOT have left so much of a Difference, and the Slight Difference could be put down to GROWING out of the Chair!

So in Relation to the OT and Novel with a 16ft Claim, this would be HUGE, but a 10ft Engineer would be more Manageable.  I think OVERALL when Considering the Space Jockey i think a 10ft Scale Engineer would be Passable, a 12-15ft would be BETTER but it would be a Massive Oversight if the Revelation is still a 8ft Being.

I am sure the Standing Engineer Suits are to a 9-10ft Scale, i have to maybe have another look ;)

I think Regardless it just makes sense to SCALE the Eventual Space Jockey to be Larger than our 8ft Engineers.

I think its Logical that we have a Space Suit, or a Bio-Mechanical Being or a Combination.

Wonder what Walter could 'create' given enough time and the same tools David used. 

I can imagine Walter learning the Engineers language while he waits for rescue. Maybe exploit the crashed juggernaut and it's holo system?

He could present his holo image for the Engineers (to calm them down)speaking in their language...explaining just what happened to their colony...(before meeting them face to face)

I think he'll be ready if/when the Engineers return.

Saw this! Very cool!

If only he had located Walter first!

I will add to the above... 

That indeed if David has a Hunger for Power and Knowledge, he could consider that ASKING the Engineers for such could Ultimately end up the same way as when his Father had ASKED for more Life!

Other Species who especially would NOT live by certain Guide-Lines could surely NOT be allowed such Knowledge, this would be a Great Fear for the Engineers, Imagine if Weyland was Granted Extra Life, and then he and David managed to Kill the Engineer and had Free-Reign of their Technology.

It was hard to Judge with David by his Actions, he seemed UPSET at having to Bombard the Engineers, was this Anger? was it Pity but he had NO Choice in order to Sustain Himself and Dr Shaw?  Was it because he knows by his Actions he would be PREVENTING her from her Wishes and Reason to want to come to this Place?

I feel on one hand he showed signs of Appreciation and Awe at what the Engineers are capable of, on the other he saw that their was so much Potential that was Wasted with the Engineers.  And Ultimately what he did was Necessary in order to Guarantee Survival of himself and Elizabeth Shaw.

@DK

Regarding Survivors...

I would assume there are NONE on Planet 4 at the Time the Covenant Crew Arrive.... If there was a Slim Chance that some Escaped, its a Case of 10 Years, maybe they can RUN but they cant HIDE.

I would Assume the Engineers all pretty much remain around that City and the Bombardment would likely had Destroyed those who was outside, it is almost Certain that some had Survived, its a case of where?  If they had Escaped and Ran Off and remained OUTSIDE the Radius of the Black Goo, then they could likely Survive and become a Match for David, unless they was Hunted down by Neomorphs?

If some Survived and got to Safety FAR out in the Jungle/Woods, then they would have taken NO Tools, they would essentially be just Stronger Humans who would have to Live off the Jungle from Scratch!

Would they Venture back and Try and Take the City?

Would they Abandon it and Migrate as FAR away as they could and Start Again, which would take a LONG time to Re-create their Technology.

(There is a Potential Story here.... )

I would assume its likely that all/most of the Survivors had found some place Indoors/Underground to HOLD-UP away from the Outbreak, they would likely HIDE away until they was Certain the Danger had Passed... but they was taken by Surprise and so as i said, its likely that Food/Drink Supplies for where they was HELD up would Diminish leaving them in a Weak and Emaciated Condition... Perhaps..

David must have got to ALIVE or Weak Engineers for some of his Studies and Experiments, and while those Engineers may-not be the Super Engineers that we saw in Prometheus, you would still say that a Fully Healthy Group of 7-8ft Humanoids could be a Match for David, so we have to ask HOW he could overcome them... and being Weak and Emaciated seems a Logical Answer.

Regarding Walter, it is likely he is ALONE...

But not Forever... as RS had indicated that some Engineers would Return to Planet 4, its Highly likely they would come across Walter....  and they surely would NOT be Best Pleased ;)

Well David's Perspective is Ultimately the Most Important one as he is the ONE who was in Control of WHERE they go..... Once he has persuaded Dr Shaw to go into Cryo-sleep then he is FREE to go where ever he wants and do what ever he wants.

David is a Sentient Being, he does not consider himself to merely be a Robot, a Tool, a Servant.  He feels Alive and his Survival is something he wishes to ENSURE...  He would have some of the Personality of Peter Weyland rub off on him, such as how Mr Weyland felt he was Superior to others because of his Accomplishments, his Creations, even having a God Complex.

David would have Studied Dr Shaw and Holoways Hypothesis/Work, which turned out to be True, so he would determine that Mankinds Greatness came from the Free-will, the Knowledge and Desire to Seek out Greater Knowledge.  He would determine the Engineers possessed Great Knowledge and Tools, it is what made them God-Like, more so than Mr Weyland....  

David would know that he is Superior to Humans, and after seeing the Engineers are Mortal After-all, he would know that its only their Technology, Tools and Knowledge that makes them much more Superior to Humans...   So i would assume that David would Ponder what he could Accomplish if he had FREE access to the Engineers Knowledge and Tools....  

He would know their Technology and Knowledge is what allowed them to be so Great, but he would see as Mortals and through their Errors they are NOT so Perfect and so he would Consider the Engineers are NOT so Worthy to have the Great Knowledge and Tools at their Disposal.

If he gained SOLE use of these then he would become the GOD now.

So when going to the Engineers would be Home-World he would expect this Place to have Vast Knowledge, and so as well as Ensuring his Survival, he would also know that a Engineer World with its Population Decimated would leave all their SECRETS for David to Behold!

Was David upset about the Engineers he killed?(I thought so...I'll watch AC again)  Or does he know they are a long lived species and there are trillions of Engineers spread through out the galaxy.

Maybe he killed them so he can steal their technology in peace. He knew they would not teach him, or stand around while he pilfered their tech.("Check the library, it's got a lot of HOW TO books",   "Cool! Thanks!)

I understand what Shaw's plan was..But Davids?!

For Walters sake, I hope the Engineers are kind.

Going by the movie, survivors might ultimately meet Walter assuming he survived. Would they think he is David and act accordingly? I don't think Walter knew their language so he might be in a bad situation in this scenario.

Regarding Survivors.....

Thats a Good Question.... we have to ASK for what Reason could there be ONLY the ONE City?

Keeping a Civilizations Contained within ONE City would be ideal as far as to Control this Civilization/Culture its easier to make sure they Stick to the Plan/Rules and Rituals/Culture that is Intended by the Hierarchy.

Still you could consider this as Strange!

If we look at this Place as supposedly to be PARADISE then look at Paradise in the Biblical Context then it makes some Sense...   If we look at it as far as the Location of the Garden of Eden.

The Garden of Eden was a WALLED City, well a Place that was Cut Off from the rest of Paradise, it was the Location of the Cradle of Creation, where Adam and Eve were Created, where they was to Dwell and be Contained, and Watched Over.  After the Fall/Disobedience they (Adam/Eve) where kicked out of the Garden and Paradise.

We should NOT look too Literal at that but it likely holds some Element of Truth...

IF the Engineers are our Forerunners our Ancestors and we came from them... then indeed that CITY on Planet 4 could be the Cradle of Creation,  having those Engineers are Permitted to Live  there is a Sign that they are Worthy and Pure and Follow the Ways/Rituals and Law of the Hierarchy

They Live a Certain way, that likely is how their Hierarchy have intended.  They are Maintained within a SINGLE City so they are easier to Watch Over and make sure they abide by the RULES....

The Docking Ship and its Occupants are likely similar to the Cherubim Angels who Guard Paradise/The Garden of Eden.

Back to the Survivors... it thus is likely that ONLY that City is Inhabited by the Engineers, but when we look at what Happened to them.... its clear from Davids Work and Notes that some had Survived the Bombardment.

The Outside Environment would likely be Contaminated for a Period of Time, so they DARE not risk going out... Eventually Supplies would Dwindle... they would become Weak and Emaciated...  If they have a High Moral Compass, then its likely they would put the Needs of the Woman and Children First, so that the Males would go without Food/Water which would leave them Weak, and then the Women would likely put the Children First and so after TIME... they would all be Ripe for the Pickings of David!

We can only Imagine the Interaction between Weak/Emaciated Engineers and David!

We can only Imagine what the Interactions would have been like if David had-not Bombarded them..  ONE thing is for Sure.... had they NOT been Killed Off and Discovered who Dr Shaw and David were then they would likely have No Choice but to Destroy Earth!

Those Engineers would not have Expected anything but Returning Engineers on that Ship, there did seem to be Little Precaution against Attack.  This could tell us those Engineers simply NEVER expect any incoming Attacks, that Proves they are Naive....  They must Feel there are No Threats, or they may have Confidence in their Defenses (which did not seem like Much).  Or its likely they Visit and Keep in Check other Worlds so they NEVER possess Technology or Space Travel.

Once they abandoned Earth, they likely Felt that on our own we would NEVER advance any further than we was Thousands of Years ago.

From Davids POV...  He would know the Engineers had determined that Mankind on Earth should be Eradicated, he Witnessed they would NOT be welcomed by those on LV-223 and David got his Head Torn Off in the Process, so for David he would know there is that ELEMENT of Danger and Potential that the Engineers would not be OPEN ARMS and Accept our Dr Shaw and David... and so he would Consider the Worse Case Scenario

Eradication of the Engineers with a Preemptive Strike would have been Likely.

From the Engineers POV.... who knows what they know about Earth, regardless if they knew or not, i think having another Species turn up in their own Space Ships that have the Potential for Genocide would be a Massive Concern, they would also have to look at the Risk and Worse Case Scenario about Humans being able to Travel Space and Obtain and Use Engineers Technology.

Eradication  of Mankind to Protect themselves and the Galaxy would be Likely.

From Dr Shaws POV..... She would know the Risk, she could be Naive in thinking there has to be MORE above the Engineers that would Mirror her Faith of a Benevolent Creator, she wants Answers and she would NOT mind the Risk of getting Answers that would Crush her Faith, or Prove Horrific, or getting No Answers at all..... and she would think the Worse Case Scenario would be her DEATH! but its the Risk she would take!

She is either very Naive or Selfish.... because by Virtue of going to seek out the Gods.... Worse Case Scenario could be that they would see what Mankind has Achieved and see them as a Threat and Ultimately the Quest for Answers by Dr Shaw could  lead to Mankinds Destruction.

 Maybe David knew what was really in store for them? And he took action.

That is possible, but the Engineers were pretty quiet and seemed in wonder of what they were seeing. By human standards, they didn't seem to be preparing for defensive or offensive measures. Then again, they had that invisible shield that ultimately failed. 

If David was executing a preemptive strike because of what he learned on the ship, his intel may have been faulty as chli pointed out that 2000 years had past and the Engineers may have ceased their combative posture/ practices. In that case, David's genocide was misguided and plain erroneous at the very least. If there were any survivors (it was a big enough planet and we only saw a small part of it- seems there would have been other cities on the planet), the Engineers would have a renewed reason and motivation to finish the job of destroying humanity.

"I'm assuming David(and Shaw?) had access to Engineers maps and history?"

Well he could go and ASK the Engineers, but its a case of WHAT they would Share, or if they would Provide NO Answers.  There was the Risk they would be Hostile to David and Dr Shaw...  This is something they would NEVER know...  He Learned of their Cruel Ways.. but this was likely as far as LV-223, and maybe NOT what those on Paradise/Planet 4 would be like.

But he could NOT risk it... so he KILLED them to Protect himself, and Dr Shaw only for his own Selfish Need of her as a Companion..

So for him... the Engineer City may still Provide a place where he can Salvage her some Answers.  Its highly likely some Engineers Survived... so we can wonder had David spoke to any of those?  If so likely when they have been Barricaded away and Weak and Emaciated.. Easy Pickings!

I think when looking at the Engineers, we have to remember to see if from their POV and that its not always about Creating Horrific Weapons.

Well RS did say he thought the Franchise could be as BIG as Star Trek or Star Wars.....  surely not with Queens and Ripley ;)

Those Franchises had a Depth of Characters, some Good Action Scenes, but what makes them Different to ALIEN was they featured Multiple Worlds, Ships, Races and Conflicts....  I can only assume RS pondered the Scope of the Engineers and Various Worlds they Create/Seed could lead to similar.

A number of Fans would NOT want to explore the Engineers in Depth, as far as what other Worlds and Creations they are Involved with and what Interactions between them would be like and indeed Mankind in the Past.

It simply is NOT as ALIEN as the First Movie, the Whole Gods Plot as far as Humanoid Creators just is NOT everyone's Cup of Tea.

It did appear the Prometheus Plot, of these Ancient would be Gods, was more in tone to WHAT they Create and WHY and that this is NOT about purely Creating ONLY such Horrors like the Xenomorph.

The Prequels were intended to be their own SEPARATE thing, so that a Sequel to Prometheus would STEER away from ALIEN etc.

But Certainly a STARGATE like Plot with Engineers would not be as Dark as ALIEN fans would like and i agree you have to introduce some Dark Horror to it...

Ultimately we DONT 100% know why the Engineers Seed Worlds, is their Aim always to Evolve/Engineer Humanoids, are most of the Worlds they Evolve to that Level all similar... (like many Star Trek Humanoid Races) or do they create other Races/Species that are NOT very Human...

The Scope was MASSIVE.. as it seemed implied the Engineers are Many Millions of Years old.. WHY even over a Billion Years... possibly...  It appears they have Traveled to other GALAXIES so the Scope for a Star Trek is there, but i know ALIEN fans would not want anything like that to Interfere with the Alien Franchise...

But the ALIEN Franchise is contained to a Small Part of our Galaxy, so expanding with a Spin Off that is on the Far Reaches of the Galaxy or another Galaxy should not conflict the ALIEN Franchise.

Looking at the Prometheus Plot, and Planet 4 Engineers, its likely they Visit Many Worlds, Interact and Evolve Life, both Genetically and Technologically.... 

But likely ONLY to a Certain Level... i doubt they would allow their Creations to be more Advanced that what we saw on Planet 4.   Maybe on Worlds they Construct Temples that Act as Hangers/Landing Strips for their Ships but i DOUBT they ever intend their Creations to USE or be allowed to USE that Space Fairing Technology.

So in context to the Topic... i think they would be interested in Dr Shaw and David, but indeed by Virtue of HOW they ended up on Planet 4 would be a Concern they Cant let that Genie out the Box...  But its Too Late... Mankind have reached the Stars...

So as i was saying, the Engineers would be in a Dilemma, and would likely Conclude they had better go and PUT A STOP to our Conquest of Space... and likely our Species on Earth.

This was a Potential Future in Store... had David decided to NOT bombard them... Dr Shaw's Selfish Pursuit for her Answers, could have lead to the Engineers deciding to go and FINISH the Job!

You could then speculate that SHE would likely want to Prevent that and that could mean finding a way to Destroy the Engineers.

So YEAH! things could still have got VERY DARK ;)

Some had compared the Space Jockey Helmet from Prometheus to being like a Tapir.  A Tapir Skeleton would LACK the Hose just as Human Skeletons dont have a NOSE.

so IF the Space Jockey was a Living Organism, we could consider it would be a bit like a Tapir, only its not a Skeleton but more Mummified.... or indeed like when some Animals (Reptiles/Amphibians) can Dry Out. Then YES you could consider it could be a Organism.

HR Gigers Concept gives more Detail to the Intention, where we can see the Snorkel is a Hose, a Breathing Pipe that looks None-Organic (we can see this in the Close Up of the Space Jockey Prop).

Here is the Most HD version of HR Gigers Space Jockey i could find.

I think its likely that the options would be...

1) Some Organism thats Mummified that would have looked a bit like a Tapir when Alive... would this had been Awe Inspiring?

Maybe if it was Revealed as Above (With Legs).

2) Some Organism where the Snorkel Attaches to its Face.

3) The Space Suit/Helmet similar to shown in Prometheus.

4) Or a Bio-Mechanical Being like the Xenomorph.

I am talking about mainly IF we are to introduce the Space Jockey as NOT a Engineer, unless we are introduced to a 12ft+ Version.

For me i say keep it as a Suit, it may be a bit different to Prometheus but a Suit none the less.. but you dont have to make the Occupant to be Very Humanoid/Engineer looking.

Guess, I would be concerned about a Engineers based movie/plot becoming Star Trek/Star Wars universe like(trade negotiations, delegates, Earth being allowed to join the Engineers lower guild, Politics, etc....)

I'd just hope they keep it horror based. Keep the tension high. (If you happen to stumble across a Engineers tomb/temple/ruins/derelict you'd better flee!)

I'm assuming David(and Shaw?) had access to Engineers maps and history? Maybe David knew what was really in store for them? And he took action.

Thats a Good Point, i was going to mention that and Upload a Photo of the Prometheus Pilot.... where it does-not appear to have the Arms Attached to the Chair.

But i failed to do so... mainly as we was talking about the ALIEN Space Jockey.

So i did go back (Prometheus) and Watch the Scene in Slow Motion.

As explained in the Image Above, its hard to see as the Scene is Short but you do see the Rings/Wires appear from behind the Engineer and then Wrap Around his Upper Arm... BUT not the Lower Arm.

We also  dont see them Connect to the Chair... However it could be that we DONT see the Full Process?

Ha ha... this is a Tricky Subject ;)

some Very Good Points

The basis of how they would React would depends on WHAT the Engineers purpose was for Creation in the First Place, it appeared that it was likely that HAD we all Behaved and Not Displeased the Engineers then we would not have been booked in for Genocide?

Another thing would be WHAT do those Engineers know about LV-223 what it was, what it became and also what was Earth and what we had became!

Then you have to Wonder is Earth the ONLY place the Engineers had Seeded Life and Evolved it to become like them... Humanoid.. If they have Many Worlds with Humanoid Life, then we have to ask do they LOOK similar to us?

And then had these other Worlds UPSET the Engineers too, or did it take just ONE/TWO Worlds deemed Failure for them to decide to go and Eradicate ALL the Humanoids they seeded, including other Worlds that have NOT upset the Engineers?

So the Answers to those would determine how those Engineers would react!

Was the Scorpion Docking Ship a Unmanned Ship? If it was then would it detect that Engineers are-not on board and then what would be the Next Course of Action?

If it was Manned then maybe a Boarding Party would Enter the Juggernaut and Seize David and Dr Shaw, they would maybe be surprised that David could talk to them.

I would assume that maybe they would NOT want to KILL them, but they would be Interested in Interrogate them, Discover how many more are on the Way, where are they From, and HOW they found this Place.

If they discover David is a Creation of Mankinds, they could be Interested, Concerned, could see it as Blashomy who knows... maybe NOT all of them would have the same view on David and Dr Shaw.

So it would be likely they would have a Council Meeting to determine what to do NOW..

As long as David and Dr Shaw do-not upset the Engineers or cause any Concerns they could be Spared, there could be some who want them Executed or Locked Up, but others who would think they should be given a chance to Interact with and Monitor them!

Would they give Dr Shaw Answers, would the Answers they give not Satisfy her? Would they be Interested and Intrigued at Dr Shaws Faith and the Findings her and Holloway made and Mankinds many Mythos and Religion that Spanned from the Engineers.

Some Engineers could be interested in this History from OUR POV... do they know about our History and Interactions, or do most of those beings only know that their kind just go off and Seed Many Worlds.. and so they dont have any Specifics of Earth History say the last 6-2 Thousands Years ago etc.

Would some Engineers Fear that Dr Shaw and what she talks about could Corrupt the Engineers, or give away Information/History that the Hierarchy does-not want the other Engineers to know about?

What if the Engineers reveal that Humans live on other Worlds, and that they had Abandoned Earth and Abandoned the Mission to Destroy us as it proved to be costly so they just decided to STOP COMING.. thinking they have Many Worlds, and they was prepared to LET OUR World ROT.. leave us to Destroy Ourselves!

They decided they can Afford to Write Off our World, and we would just amount to NOTHING without the Engineers, they would Forsake us and Abandon us, and without the Engineers we would NOT advanced further than we was 2000 Years ago, and actually we may end up going Backwards!

That was UNTIL they discover that David and Dr Shaw had arrived at their Home... something they FELT that we would NEVER be able to do as we are just Cave-Men without their Help/Knowledge.

While the Engineers may-not instantly want to KILL their Visitors, they could even be prepared to allow them to STAY!

Certainly they would have CONCERNS for the Rest of Mankind, they would debate what to do, as they surely CANT allow for Humans to be able to Travel the Stars, and then go to their Outposts and USE their Technology via a Sub-Creation!

They cant allow a Race they had deemed to be Worthy of Eradication because of our Ways and the Potential Threat we posed for being Rebellious, they cant ALLOW such a Race from Earth to be allowed to Traverse the Stars and use Engineer Technology.

The Council would have to Deliberate what to do..

*Pay us a Visit, inform Earth of WHO they are, and see IF we have Changed? How would we React?   Then they would be Concerned about our Ability to Travel the Stars.

*Make some Rules and Regulations regarding our use of Technology, Forbid Certain Places, Protect LV-223 and the Like... How do they Form a Agreement, and HOW do they Police it?  With many other Worlds Created, and ours Deemed Forsaken is it worth that Effort?

*Do something to Render our Technology Useless, some kind of EMP attack.  Send us back a Few Hundred Years.  But how long would the Effects Last, could we just Re-start again at some Point?

These are all things a Council would discus in response to knowing that WE can Travel the Stars etc....

The Council could likely decide the ONLY option would be the ONE they had intended 2000+ Years ago...  they would have NO choice but to Eradicate Earth!

How would Dr Shaw feel about this?

Maybe she realizes the Engineers intended what they did because of the way Mankind had behaved, and maybe she can see that Mankind has only got Worse, and that not many Follow certain ways such as her Faith.. while she may find her Faith is not what she thought, she could see the Good in her Faith and see the Engineers Aspire and Teach Similar Things....   And just as GOD in the Bible had NO choice but to take Drastic Action in the Past on a Few Occasions... The Engineers are merely doing the Same.

Would Dr Shaw plead with the Engineers... but Ultimately with a Revelation the Engineers had seeded Many Worlds, where Most abide by the Rules and Live a Life that would have Appeased Dr Shaws GOD.... compared to how the Majority of Earth would Displease Dr Shaws GOD!

Maybe she excepts Earth is just a SMALL part of something GRAND, and she has been allowed Entrance to Paradise, and maybe she can come to Terms with the Engineers decision to Destroy Earth!

She may not like it..... but as she asked David in the Crossing "what if they are no better than us" he replies "as long as they are no Worse" so she could discover in the Grand Scheme of things they are NOT as Worse as WE are, and they are No Worse than her GOD!  

So she accepts that Earth is a Fallen Paradise, the Engineers are Seeders of Many Worlds and Protectors, and that there are other Worlds like Earth who abide by the Rules and are NOT as BAD as Mankind had became.. she would see the Grand Scheme and HOW indeed Mankind and Companies like Weyland should NOT be allowed to have the Engineers Technology and become the NEW GODS.

Maybe the Engineers could SHOW her some of those Other Worlds and Civilizations at Peace, maybe they could say they could take her to Visit them, some day...

THANK YOU for Baring with me this FAR ;)

I think this is Plausible...

HOWEVER... what if the Council Decide that their is a Risk that OTHER worlds could turn out like Earth, and they Decide to go and Eradicate a Number of these Worlds...

HOW would Dr Shaw feel then? You can bet that if she feels the Engineers make a Haste Decision to Destroy Earth and then PROCEED to other Worlds that have Humanoids like us, so that the same thing that Happened on Earth can NEVER Happen again.

You think Dr Shaw would accept that?

I think she would say to David.... GIVE THEM HELL... to Protect the Many Worlds they Seeded from Genocide.

"Concerning AI running W-Y Corp"

Certainly Chli, however it could be any such PLOT could happen after the events of Alien Covenant we can assume as of 2105 then Yutani seems to be the Main Controlling Aspect of the Company... could that Change? who knows...

@MonsterZero

I can understand your ASH1 point...  ASH was a Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2 so maybe the ASH your thinking of could be a Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/1?

while this TOPIC is to come up with Alternative Sequels to Prometheus... so that basically we can RETCON as much of Alien Covenant or the Entire Movie.

I dont mean to be Disrespectful... but part of the ASH1 Plot is Flawed as far as Time-Line.   I think as a Fan Fiction its fine if we looked at a Latter Time-Frame.

For sure its Logical a Mission to LV-223 must happen again at some point after Prometheus, but in order for this to happen in 2095 then the Ship that ASH1 is on must have left for LV-223 like a Year or So after the Prometheus had set off to LV-223.

You have to Wonder for HOW-LONG would they wait before NOT hearing off the Prometheus before they would consider a Mission or Determine the Prometheus is Lost with its CEO... Weyland was Dying anyway but surely Vickers would be Next in Chain of Command? or Certainly would Benefit from Great Control had she NOT gone along on the Mission.

You would say the Company would wait 6-12 Months, thats Reasonable.... but then you have to Factor for HOW-LONG does a Message take to Reach the Company?

If the Prometheus had sent a Message back saying it is Arriving at its Destination say on 24th Dec 2093, then its a case of HOW-LONG would that take to get back to WY HQ?  If we assume 2 Years, then the Company would be Concerned or have some indication something is Wrong if they DONT get any Information coming for  a Period of say 2.5-3 Years after the Prometheus was due to arrive (Dec 2093).

So say it could be Mid 2096 or Early 2097 before the Board would be like... "we have not heard from the Prometheus, lets investigate"

So your ASH to LV-223 Idea would work if say you had the Year that ASH1 had arrived as say 2110 or after.

It would not matter about the Covenant because as with this TOPIC... you could just take it that the Mission had NEVER happened...

First off regarding the Synthetic Manufacturers, i think Ignorantguy made the Points already.  As of ALIEN we was NOT given any Detail about ASH as far as what Model he was etc, we just knew he was a Synthetic that was Placed on board the Nostromo with the Objective with MUTHUR to obtain a Xenomorph Specimen.  We was Never really given information on WHO produced ASH, it could have been Wayland-Industries or they just Purchased a ASH from another Company and Programed him for Special Order 937

It was James Cameron with  ALIENS that gave some information that ASH was a Hyperdyne Systems Model, which has a similarity to Camerons Terminator/2 Company Cyberdyne Systems, purely Coincidence or was it intended to be a RIFF of Cyberdyne a Joke a Easter Egg?

We also discover that Bishop is also another Newer Hyperdyne Systems Model we could wonder what the Connection is and WHY is it that Weyland-Yutani use Hyperdyne Systems for their Synthetics?

Hyperdyne could be a Company that has a Contract with Weyland-Yutani to Provide the Synthetics as it appeared back then that the PRIME Goal of Weyland-Yutani was to "Build Better Worlds" and so Space Travel, Terra-forming, Mining and Colonizing Worlds that seemed to be their Main Business.

They also had a Agenda to  Obtain a Xenomorph for Bio-Weapons Research, so we can assume they have some Military Aspirations. While employed the Colonial Marines this Military Force is Ran by USCM and are Contracted by Weyland-Yutani for Specific Missions.

I am not sure there are any indications that WY own in any part USCM, i dont think they do?  And so WY could also use Hyperdyne Systems for Synthetics but not actually OWN the Company but they certainly are Affiliated and maybe USCM have a Security/Military Contract with Weyland Yutani when it comes to Providing Support for Certain Missions from a Security and Rescue stand point?

With Alien 3 we was introduced to Bishop II who claimed to be the One who Designed the Android Bishop from Aliens,  we see that Bishop II works for Weyland-Yutani and is part of the Team from the USCSS Patna (which is owned by WY) to retrieve the Xenomorph Queen from Ripley.  It is accepted that the Sulaco and Patna are Constructed by Weyland-Yutani.

So the reveal of Bishop II could indicate he either Designed for Hyberdyne Systems some Synthetics who Weyland-Yutani used to Contract with for Supply of Synthetics and then Bishop II went to work for Weyland-Yutani as far as Biological Weapons Research Department, or that Hyperdyne Systems are  a Subsidiary of Weyland-Yutani.

The Prequels indicate a Origins of the Company as in Weyland Industries, the Viral Site for Prometheus seemed to indicate some Conflict with Yutani as far as Patents for Synthetic Technology.

One of Weyland Industries Successes were the Synthetic Market and in Particular the David Models, by the time we get to Alien Covenant we have had the Company Merger with Yutani... at this point maybe Hyperdyne Systems came about as a Subsidiary to Produce Synthetics for Weyland-Yutani, or at a latter point maybe Weyland-Yutani had Sold/Contracted out the Production of Synthetics to Various Companies of which Hyperdyne Systems is the one they regularly use?

chli The only mention of WY producing synthetics Previous to Prometheus is the cluster-f**k in Alien 3. In promo material Bishop is still Hyperdyne, but its "designer" is brought in by WY to convince Ripley to surrender the queen. What is the exact relationship between WY and Hyperdyne is anybody's guess, but the short answer to your question is Riddley said I don't care and probably shouldn't care, as David and Walter were meant to mirror Ash and Bishop, to generate money from nostalgia. 

What happened on LV-223 was 2000 years ago.

I believe that when David and Shaw arrive at Planet 4, the Engineers have long since abandoned their old, barbaric ways containing sacrifice and creation of weapons of mass destruction.

They now live a simple and peaceful life and they welcome visitors.

But, David is now the wolf . . .

IgnorantGuy

You're right! Interesting! Why would W-Y use a synthetic from Hyperdyne when they have their own models (David, Walter)?