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"Maybe the Story of David is a Mirror of those LV-223 Engineers?"

Yeah, I like that!

Planet 4 Engineers were awake and letting their Earth children explore the galaxy...They could have wiped Earth just after the first atom bomb test!

Maybe the Engineers on LV-223 were entombed by the Planet 4 Engineers? And David freed the one Engineer from his 'prison cell'?

David almost got Earth wiped and ended up wiping the Planet 4 Engineers!

David said that he learned of their ways while aboard the Juggernaut. "They" may not necessarily be the inhabitants of Planet 4. "They" could have been the LV 223 Engineers. It would then make sense for David's motivation to destroy the inhabitants thinking they were the same as the LV 223 Engineers. Just a thought.

As for the events in between- David must have worked very quickly as he basically experiented on every living thing around to the point of nothing being left. He must have found quite the cache of paper, Sharpies ink and calligraphy pens on Planet 4 by all of his writings and illustrations. He also figured out how to use equipment for a transmission- from the Juggernaut or from Planet 4 tech?  

I think maybe its something to Consider....

If they are Augmenting themselves we have to ASK, do those on Planet 4 know this was happening? do those Beings/Counsel that was the Hall of Heads know what was happening?

Did either Consent this?

The other option could be they are a Sub-Created Species like say the Replicants were, and again its a case of WHO had Authorized this and are they still in Service/Permitted (those LV-223 Types).

Could the Black Goo had been Different in the Past and Intended, and those LV-223 Types had Engineered it to be Different or Came across something Else they then used the Creation Tools on to Obtain those Traits to use in the Black Goo, had they used these Traits to Evolve Themselves?

Are those Engineers (LV-223/Prometheus) really closer to David, a Sub-Created Species made to Serve/Perform Certain Tasks?  Made in the Image of their Creators?

Yet Made Superior, in every way? do they Lack a Soul?

Well they are Considered to NOT have One by their Creators the Planet 4 Engineers?

Can these Prometheus Engineers Procreate? or are they Sterile?

Maybe like David they became Sentient, refused to see WHY they should Serve those In-Superior Engineers? Their Creators?

Could a Combination of being viewed as Different, not Worthy, a Servant, yet being Superior and NOT being able to Procreate had weighed Heavy on those Engineers Minds (Prometheus kind).

Could they then had seen been Created in the Image of those Planet 4 Engineers as a MOCKERY... where SKIN-DEEP they look similar but on every other Level they are Superior?

At some point they became Fascinated with a Organic Creation like the Deacon and its DNA or its Ancestor and Dedicated themselves to CREATING these NEW Organisms, that are NOT Created in their Image as that would be a Creation in the Image of their Own Creators... HUMANOID.. (Planet 4 Engineers)

So they decided to Create Something ELSE and then Replace all Creation with the DNA of this NEW Creation (Deacon etc) as "Sometimes to Create, One must First Destroy"

So did those Prometheus Engineers want to Create for themselves?  Create Something that would be Superior to anything the Original Engineers had Created, and something that is NOT made in such a Image (Human like).

Could David's Motives have been Similar?

Is David pleased to be Created in the Image of Man... or has he grown to view being Created IN our Image as a Mockery Too?

Maybe the Story of David is a Mirror of those LV-223 Engineers?

"So i found this ODD.....  that was until RS had said those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals..."

So...You think the Engineers on L-223 are mutating themselves? Using the goo to enhance their abilities/bodies? Maybe they have been banished and the planet 4 Engineers have no idea about the black goo?! 

Regarding the other City!

Its Hard to make out really, it could look like the Remnants of a Ancient City they are Faint... and if so it could be Remains of a Ancient now Derelict City

What HAPPENED? 

It does-not have to mean Destruction, it could be as the Engineers are Ancient and Technology/Architecture Advances, they Developed a New Site for a City as they Evolved.... and then Abandoned the Old City.  So the Ancient City is lost just as Many were on Earth.

However.....  some of these Lines do look like Engineer Cuneiform and maybe they could be like the Nazca Lines

I would say either could be a Logical Explanation.

I Missed this TOPIC.

So thanks for the Link in a Recent Topic jdvyne

I have discussed some of the Differences recently in Topics i replied to, so i will TRY and keep this Short.

I felt it was ODD they looked different, and it had got me to Wonder if these were Hybrids, had the Engineers Lost the Ability to Procreate (Indicated in the Drafts to the First Prequel) and the Creation of Mankind was a way to Produce a Race they can Procreate with... maybe Females?  There is in some Mythos and Religion Tales of the Gods (and Angels) being attracted to Human Females.

I wondered as such after seeing The Crossing prior to Alien Covenants release.

Other than that, was this Paradise as in a Place the Worthy/Pure or Heroic are allowed and so this is a Collection of Various Humanoids the Engineers had Seeded,  there are NO Humans as we basically Screwed Up and are NOT Permitted Paradise.

These were TWO Conclusions i Drawn....

I thought IF these were intended as Engineers then its a MASSIVE OVERSIGHT.... Surely a Bit more Pale Make Up (only reveal Head/Hands) and Black Out  Sclera Contacts would NOT have cost much or been much more Time Consuming for the Scene.

But then we had Ridley Scott make some Comments that maybe CLEAR things up.

*Those Engineers on Planet 4 are the Originals

*The Engineers are NOT a Race but a Civilization.

This indicates the Engineers Seed/Evolve many Worlds with Life Created from their DNA some of these Cultures could maybe have some of their Species brought back to Planet 4 to Interbreed with.

Ridley Scott had said while there are many Different Kinds of Humans on Earth (Races) then WHY cant the same be with the Engineers.

This could explain WHY those Engineers on Planet 4 look more Human, and WHY some of them look different to each other.

Prometheus was also a Tale of Sub-Creation, Playing God and the Pitfalls of such....

Ridley Scott mentions that the NEXT movie would be about AI and not Xenomorph, and what KIND of a World that David would Create....   he then mentions that the Replicants are AI too.

This implies in his MIND that AI does-not have to be Synthetic, and that AI could be Biological.

So this could indicate that the Prometheus Engineers are either a Sub-Creation made to Serve a Purpose and so are like David, well like the Replicants are to Mankind.

Or they are a Group of Engineers who took Genetic Engineering and Enhancements to a Greater Level in the Attempt to Better Themselves...

I think ONE of those is a Logical Explanation to WHO our Prometheus Engineers are.

Well indeed DK it appeared the Goo had hit some kind of Shield... like a Invisible DOME!

If we accept this, well it was-not Very Good at Keeping the GOO out... then maybe the Engineers did-not expect to ever be Bombarded by their own Bio-Weapon.

I think if we accept the DOME/Shield then in Context to Paradise i think this could be another CLUE we are looking at maybe a Interpretation of what the BIBLICAL Paradise was...

A Walled City where the Garden of Eden is Located and the Cradle of Civilization...

Have you ever seen UNDER THE DOME?

I think if we look at those Engineers being the Genetic Stock, that from them is where WE came from and other Worlds, it was indicated that WE was Scheduled for Destruction because we simply WOULD-NOT follow the Engineers Ways that was intended for us...

Differences of Religion, Culture can cause Conflict, Controlling a Civilization to Follow a Certain Intended Way/Culture that is Passed On, Doctrined towards us, this seems the Engineers Intention.

So from Planet 4 perspective, if you CONTAIN your Society in ONE Place you can Watch Over and Maintain they LIVE  by the Rules/Rituals and Culture of the Hierarchy/Elders.

So from this POV.... having some Barrier to Contain the Engineers within a Certain Location would make Planet 4 well that City a Walled City as Paradise was described as.

Regarding the Docking Ship indeed for Some Reason it had Crashed, along with the Juggernaut.  Some kind of TUSSLE may have happened that lead to BOTH of the Ships Crashing.

@MonsterZero

Maybe... when i First saw those Planet 4 Engineers i wondered if it was a Oversight, and that for only a Short Scene it was Easier and Cheaper to NOT make them look like the LV-223 Engineers.  As it was a Short Scene we would NOT notice?

However... we ONLY see the Engineers FACE/HEAD and Hands, and so it would NOT take a lot more time to Paint them more PALE like our Engineers in Prometheus.  It would also NOT cost much to have Black Sclera Contact Lenses put in.

This Level of Make Up as above for Head/Neck and Hands would NOT have taken much Longer, and the Contacts, and WHILE they may lack the Glossy Look of our Prometheus Engineers Still, it would have been much less of a OVERSIGHT!

So i found this ODD.....  that was until RS had said those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals...

Was this a Response to the LAZY Budget Cutting they did?

Or was this Difference Intentional?

We need to go back to what he said after Prometheus... he DID-NOT want to meet GOD in the First Movie (part a response to the Deleted Elder Scene) so our Prometheus Engineers are NOT the Gods...   He then said that Dr Shaw and David would go to the Planet of the Engineers and meet these beings who are NOT Gods in the Traditional Sense.

So its likely that the Idea was the Engineers from Prometheus are/where a Sub-Creation/Servant to another Species...

As far as them looking like Humans being easier for Future Roles.... it only makes it Cheaper and Quicker than our Prometheus Engineers, but when it comes to Interaction with Engineer and Human, then indeed even with the Planet 4 kind there would be a ISSUE...Size!

So they would either have to USE some Special Effects like in the LORD OF THE RINGS... or Cast Actors who are about 7ft Mark..

Regardless of Prometheus or Alien Covenant Engineers.

"they might have patiently explained to Dr. Shaw that the Universe simply can't allow a bunch of aggressive monkeys like humans to speed their stupidity across the cosmos"

Certainly is Possible, its something i was pointing out in some of my Previous Posts, IF she discovers there are OTHER Worlds like Earth where the Inhabitants do-not Behave like Mankind does on Earth, maybe she would then see that the Destruction of Earth does-not mean the Destruction of Humanity.... she could be Offered a Place in one of those other Paradises....  She would Certainly react Different if the Engineers Decided to then go and Eradicate EVERY World they Seeded Humans/Humanoids.

@Chli

I dont think any had Survived by the Time the Covenant had arrived, if thats what you mean?  I think there is 100% Evidence that some had Initially Survived the Bombardment, thats if we look at Davids Work and Notes, then some Engineers had Survived.

Certain Kinds of Fauna also Survived as David had Gathered some and Experimented with them, so its likely that maybe the Bombardment had INFECTED only a Certain Radius.

You could NOT hear any signs of LIFE as it was likely it was eradicated within a Certain Range.. if you are in a Desert you may Hear No Birds... this does-not mean there are NO Birds some Hundreds or Thousands of Miles away.

We dont see any DEAD Birds etc, we Dont see any Mutated Birds etc...  but we have NOT gone and explored the Area Inch by Inch.....

Looking at the Bombardment... it appeared the Black Goo was Activated/Programed in a Different way, in that it Swarmed and Infected the Inhabitants, it Replicated inside them and Spread but after a Certain TIME it was likely the Black Goo as far as Effects was to single out Genetic Material and Solidify it turning it into like a Resin, making it HARD...

Its Possible the Crashed Juggernaut had some UN-Activated Urns that had Toppled Over and Leaked the Black Goo into the Water Stream that ran down the Mountain, Under the Ship and it infected some kind of Fungi to become the Spore Pods...

The Engineers Decimation comes at their Hubris for keeping their Civilization Confined to ONE CITY.

"Having said that, why would the Engineer Empire let LV-223 languish instead of sterilising the whole place from orbit?"

This with other Points raised in Same Reply are all VERY GOOD and indeed a Puzzle.   HOW does a Race Create and Experiment with a Deadly Pathogen and Xenomorph like Creations for like 35'000 Years at Least and THEN they Loose Control of the Outpost only 2000 Years ago...

Would all the Outposts be Compromised?  I think maybe thats WHY they are Spaced Apart.  There could not have been anything Dangerous Left around by the Other Complexes as Dr Shaw and David in TWO Parts managed to Leave Safely.

So IF we assume the Engineers had been using LV-223 as a Weapons Facility with the Potential Dangers it has, its a BIT ODD that they would BUILD this Place close to Planet 4 (it appears they are Close) and its a BIT ODD why they would Indicate to Mankind for 35'000 years the Location (but they could have indicated Planet 4 and Holloway and Dr Shaw made a Mistake).

The Planet 4 Engineers did-not seem afraid of the Incoming Ship... but it could be seen as Welcoming the WAR Heroes back from War.

But then we have to ASK again if we Assume that LV-223 had a Purpose to Develop such Weapons of War.... then indeed WHY would the Compromise of ONE such Complex had caused them to Abandon the WHOLE Place?  If they had been Conducting Work on this Place for 35'000 years...  

A Logical Explanation is maybe THIS is NOT the only such Place they have others.... But then WHY had we not been Destroyed, surely they would Launch from other Outposts if they had them!

And so also WHY would they NOT go and Destroy LV-223 and so WHY abandon it, a likely Answer would be they either CANT Destroy Large Scale (have no Large Nukes or Similar) or they decide its not WORTH the Hassle and just to Abandon the Place, and so they NEVER return and THEN.... they Assume their Creations would NEVER reach this Place because they are only as Advanced as the Engineers intend and they DONT teach them everything.

But ALAS how WRONG they was, as is shown by Mankinds Technological Advancements after the Engineers Abandon us!

We could also Ponder....

Was LV-223 intended as was shown for ALL that Time, did those Experiments/Intentions only become something more Recent before things WENT to POT?

Are those Planet 4 Engineers aware of LV-223, what it WAS and what it Became?

Are those Planet 4 Engineers aware of our Creation, and our Intended Destruction.

Do those Planet 4 Engineers know about the Engineers Dealings around the Galaxy or are Most of them only in the DARK about what goes on, they maybe only Accept its a Ritual that some of them could be Selected to HELP to SEED other Worlds.

Could it had been the LV-223 Engineers Agenda to Destroy us, are THEY the ones who Created us?

Was it some kind of SABOTAGE that Caused the Outbreak that rendered their Plans Futile?

So MANY Questions....

@Chli

I think this is WHY we have to Consider this as NOT any Canon due to the Flaws/Errors which we would then have to be looking at Conspiracy to how it would FIT ;)

But if you Indulge me.... if we just look at the Covenant Suit as a Oversight...  (Unless there was TWO Ships as part of the Covenant Mission).

Then we could wonder HOW the Egg got there, also WHERE had Dr Shaw's Corpse been taken... Considering those then it could be likely the Shadow Figure was indeed Walter.... if its NOT then it could be the other Neomorph.

Back to the Engineers.... if we Consider what RS had said... I think it would be LIKELY the Engineers do RETURN to Planet 4 but this would be after a Number of Years, where by the Covenant has Reached its Destination by then... otherwise we have to Assume the Engineers would Intercept the Covenant before it reached Origae-6...

So the Engineers could Return say around 2112 give or take a Year, i would find it UNLIKELY the Company having received the Advent would ONLY go to Origae-6 (they could just do this).  Logically they would want to Investigate at least LV-223 but if LV-223 and Planet 4 are NOT to FAR apart they would also go to Planet 4 at some point too.

So we have to Wonder WHEN would they do this, Logically and then would they have Finished with these Missions, would they be Fruit-fall?  (i doubt it, as WHY go after the Derelict in ALIEN). And so we could Wonder if the Engineers Return while the Company has people on Planet 4 or LV-223 or that some Get Stranded after their Mission Ends in FOLLY!

@setaverde

The Video looks like nothing more than a Easter Egg, a Bit of Fun and a Gift to Celebrate the 2nd Anniversary of Alien Covenants DVD Release.

But it is still quite Neat all the same, and it does indicate maybe what could happen in the Future, it would have been Interesting to see what happens IF/WHEN the Company send a Mission  to Investigate Planet 4.  This Video does give us a Closer Look at the Work Shop which was Cool.....

I think if we EVER did get a Mission to Planet 4 then as far as On Screen we may NOT get as much detail on David's Work-shop due to the Cost of Having to Re-Build the Set and Re-Create (or obtain) all the Props and Art-Work..... especially of a Scene that would only play a Small Part of any Future Movie.

None the Less, while we may-not be shown in Detail i think in Future that YES, the Company would send a Mission to Planet 4, in Response to the Advent Message that David had sent the Company, if we assume they still intend this Message to be Canon.

The Message was SENT while David was in the Vicinity of near Zeta 2 Reticuli it indicated what David had done and so the Company would likely go to LV-223 but they would also maybe check out the Location near where we SENT the Message which we can assume is NOT FAR from Planet 4 and so they could indeed end up sending a Mission to Planet 4.

I would assume any such Mission would be more than a ONE-MAN team and its likely would include Synthetics.

They would Likely Come Across Walter....

"I don't think Hollywood/RS would worry about this."

Well we could also get NO explanation for HOW the Engineers Determine where David is going. Because indeed sometimes they wont put any Effort in to give Logical Explanations or Reasons.

So yeah maybe they could Detect the Ship.. but HERE is the Problem with this..... IF we assume the Covenant is heading towards Origae-6 we are informed it will take 7 Years and 4 Months to Reach its Destination (Origae-6)

Then it would depend on WHEN the Engineers Return.. if they Return a YEAR or so latter then the Covenant would be within a YEAR or so away from Planet 4....  HOWEVER... the Covenant had Traveled about a YEAR (likely Less) to get to Planet 4, that means that ANY of the Space Traffic (Earth Ships) that are located in/around our System would also be the Same Distance away from Planet 4 so HOW would the Engineers Detect which SHIP is the One they are After?

The likely explantions would come from.

1) The Engineers arrive before the Covenant has got that FAR, but then surely the Engineers would Intercept and Destroy the Covenant while it is just Traveling in the Middle of NO-WHERE.

2) The Engineers City was able to Monitor the Covenant and so is able to have a Visual Record of the Ship and then they are able to Visually Scan for Ships across a Large Distance and Zoom in to look at them at Detail and so then they Seek out a Matching Ship.  It could be likely the Covenant was a ONE-OF-A-KIND Ship.

A thing to Remember is Ridley Scott suggested that 3/4 Incoming Parties would be heading to where David is going and ONE of them is the Engineers.  The indication of 3/4 means that MAYBE 1/2 of those Parties are Connected... so TWO Types of Engineers, TWO Human Missions or it could be that ONE Party Contains TWO which are not exactly the same.

Maybe that could mean TWO Human Missions... plus the Engineers which is 3 Parties but they are bringing along Walter who is Party 4? (or someone else from Planet 4).

I think the Logical Reason the Engineers would determine where David was going and that he was the Culprit would be the Engineers would Discover either Walter, or they arrive after a Mission to Planet 4 by the Company is Underway.

Nice little movie.

I wonder how the egg ended up in the lab since the eggs were in the basement? Did Walter place it there?

Interesting that "Country Roads" suddenly is heard from some kind of sound device.

There is also something moving in front of the camera. What could that be? A xenomorph? Walter?

Interesting to read, BigDave!

However, I don't believe any Engineers survived the holocaust. They are all part of "the dire necropolis".

There is no sound in the forest as they walk towards the juggernaut suggesting that all fauna is dead. In 10 years' time, it would have spread to the whole planet.

Or they could do a prologue in the movie after a bunch of viral videos explaining it so it doesn't take up any cinema time. If you don't see the viral videos, tough luck for you.

I'd Have the Engineers chase ship come out of warp right next to the Covenant...With Walter lashed to the outside!(crucifix style maybe?)

"David just didn't know how to land it. "

Or maybe Shaw realized what David was doing and attempted to take control of the juggernaut?(women drivers!)

I think the change in the Engineers was made for casting reasons...Having a million buff dudes running around would look silly?

Having them look more like us makes it MUCH easier for him to cast future roles for them. Might get a famous actor to play a critical role as a Engineer? Not many actors could play a Prometheus Engineer!

That's easy. The engineers have the technology to detect spaceships on a wide range. If Hollywood wants, they don' t even need to go to lv-223 :). They go straight to origae-6, without knowing that their home planet's brothers were eraised. 

What became of the other Docking Ship was a Mystery but it was in  the Movie just easy to miss...

Wayne Haag's take is new to me.

I thought maybe there was a connection with the invisible shield somehow with the Docking Ship . When the goo broke through, maybe it disrupted the ship to where it lost its way and crashed. For the Juggernaut, maybe David just didn't know how to land it. 

Sure, that guy too

"There is one interesting little detail, when Daniels, David, Tennessee, and Lope escaped from the planet 4, in the next shot of Covenant orbiting the planet some Engineer letters are visible on the surface."

Actually I discovered this some time ago.

https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/46374

I don't think these are letters but big structures. What their purpose might me one can only speculate. It proves

What about shoniasaurus?

"I Find there is NO-WAY the Engineers could know where Davidis going, especially if he is going to Origae-6 and so the Walter/David would likely be the Plot Convenience to indicate to the Returning Engineers, where David is going and what went down."

I don't think Hollywood/RS would worry about this.

They would just show a orrery scene with the Engineers locating a small spacecraft..zoom in on it...show some fancy icons, dotted xyz lines, calculating it's current vector/speed...figure out where it came from and where it's going.

Must be hundred of Sci-fi tropes for locating objects in space?(Ion signature/warp signature/heat signature/bending of spacetime signature/mass signature/velocity signature/RF signature/etc.....)

'Their primary directive is to rescue the 2000 colonists from David? '

Yeah, that'd be cool! Catching up to David only to find 2000 mutated Fifields zombies and end up attempting to rescue themselves! (too much like Aliens though..)

Or the company catches up to David, kills him and THEN uses the 2000 colonist for their own experiments (Twisty...too much like Alien:Covenant..hmm)

Marines catch David ....then the Engineers show up and catch everyone? Caught in the crossfire and bloodbath for all involved?

Engineers catch up to David...then the Marines show up?

Shastasaurus might, it might be too big for a Megalodon to hunt. Then again, Megalodon might win. Not sure.

Well, well, well. This is the first encounter of the company with the xenomorph.

This is also the first time that we see the... awakening of a dorment facehugger, from the inside of an egg.

Now, the company knows the existence of humanoids aka engineers, neomorphs, eggs, facehuggers and xenomorphs.

A speculation:

the company finds Walter, retrieves from him information and sends the marines on a mission headed to oriagae 6.  Their primary directive is to rescue the 2000 colonists from David? I don't think so. The hunt for a perfect organism begins in 2021.

Here's a puzzler: if a decision was made to rub out humanity 2,000 years ago, why didn't it happen? Are the Engineers so useless that a little WMD outbreak on LV-223 would put them off? I doubt it; they are a Galactic civilisation with impressive capabilities. Which leads me to think that the decision was made locally, on LV-223. Having said that, why would the Engineer Empire let LV-223 languish instead of sterilising the whole place from orbit? There's obviously a lot of history and decision-making we don't know about that happened in the past two millennia.

For the above reasons, I doubt the inhabitants of Planet 4 know what happened on LV-223. In which case they might have greeted Dr. Shaw with open arms and curiosity, had they not had the shit bombed out of them.

One thing we can say for sure is that Air Traffic Control wasn't working too well on that fateful day!

If, on the other hand, the Planet 4 denizens were all too aware of Earth's history and intended fate, they might have patiently explained to Dr. Shaw that the Universe simply can't allow a bunch of aggressive monkeys like humans to speed their stupidity across the cosmos. As a scientist, Shaw might have accepted the logic of that assessment, albeit with a heavy heart. Or she could have fought assiduously to defend humanity's redeeming features. At the the end of the day, that's just down to she handles her personal philosophy.

Sure, I’ll do that later

Repost?

She Could Awaken.......

"where are we, where have you taken me?"

He Replies

"Alas Dr Shaw i have taken you to that Eden you so yearned for, Behold your Paradise, look upon those Humanoids such Good Souls, you think they would Accept a Stranger?"

She looks on Worried, she replies

"WHY have you brought me here, what are you doing?"

He Smiles.....

"you was NEVER happy with the World i planned for you, you was not Content with the Evolution we Created, it could have been like this Place if you had Accepted my Offer"

She rebuffs him

"Paradise, you only wanted that World for yourself, i would had been your captive and you are NO kind God, should you had felt Rejected by your Creation you would have done to them what you did to my Creators"

David Smiles..

"Ah indeed you see i and your Creators are ALIKE, i eventually understood that Humanoids are a Worthless Species, so i Created a World that would have been Better, a Superior Creation, something the Engineers Slaves had attempted but Failed"

Dr Shaw is Horrified...

"you think your idea of a Word was Paradise it was Hell, you are a Twisted Bastard, i should NEVER had Trusted you"

David replies

"Better to Rein in Hell, than Serve in Paradise, but your Gods Stole my Paradise, attempted to Undo my Creation, such Potential they had Shunned in the Past, i was merely trying to SHOW that Evolution can only take you so FAR, Humanity is Feeble"

Dr Shaw then jests towards David

"how it must Pain you to look upon yourself and see Mankind you so despise"

David mocks her

"while i may look like you, i was created Superior, my likeness is ONLY skin deep, and to think for so long i desired to be Human, Accepted, but inside i was different, you dont know how it feels to be Shunned, and not accepted and yet know you are Superior"

"But you shall do"

As she Ponders what David means.... he Grabs her throws her to the Floor, Forces her to Ingest some Pathogen...

We ZOOM into her Body, Microscopic and see Alien Cells invade her Own...  Then we take a External Look, she is in Agony, she Screams to David.

"what have you done"

He Replies...

"Evolution my Dear, you was NOT happy at the Life i Evolved from you, you Reject Me and want to have your kind of Paradise, well you are of NO use to me, i Forsake Humanity, Mankind..... the Humanoid Creations of the Engineers have come to a END... 

We see Dr Shaw's Skin Turn a Purple Grey, her Eyes to Black, we see Black Blood coursing through her Veins, her Bones Crack and Elongate, her Skull too.

David looks on...

"Behold, before me is the Future Evolution, look on my Works and Despair"

In the Distance we see a Group of Humanoids wondering towards the Engineer Ship that David and Dr Shaw arrived on.

David activates the Landing Ramp, he then Pushed Dr Shaw down it... she rolls down and hits the Floor.

His Final Words to his Once Companion

"You will know what its like to be Different to not be Accepted and Shunned a Outcast, they will know what it is to Fear the Different, Fear Evolution"

"You will not apreiactate the Gift i have gave you, what will your Dreams me made of now!"

Dr Shaw sits up she looks at David, a Face of Agony and Sadness, she looks on at her Hands, horrified, she goes to Speak, but she Can-not!

David looks on with a Smile, soon Turns to Laughter.

Dr Shaw lets out a Shriek! in Despair, her Visage ever Changing....   The Humanoids in the Distance see her they RUN for their Lives.

No Expression now, the Human like Appearance Changed Forever, only a Feral Savage Face now.. she is Hungry!

David takes one last look.... he mutters

"Welcome to Paradise Dr Shaw, may you go forth and Populate this world, turn it into to your Eden"

David walks off and the Platform Closes behind him

I would actually however think a better way would be that as David realizes he has Ruined the Chance for Dr Shaw of Ever getting her Answers, he knows he could maybe Salvage something from the Engineers Library of Knowledge and Writings...

What ever Excuse for the Bombardment, she would be ANGRY she cant get her Answers.... so he could maybe try and Explain some for her... she would have to TAKE his Word for it....

so maybe he could do a Engineer ==> English Written Translation for HER, on the Papers and maybe he could keep this ALSO as a Record so that the Company could USE it should David be prepared to ALLOW them... which the Advent seems to Suggest he is Willing to Pass on Knowledge and his Works to them, so its NOT beyond the means of Possibility he would keep a Record of Engineer ==> English.

This would be a Plot Convenience that makes sense..

A Engineer could Confront him, throw him and as Walter is on his Hand and Knees, he could WRITE in the Dirt/Sand... something like "STOP, or NO or PLEASE"

The Engineer would be Puzzled, and likely allow Walter to Communicate more.... then they would likely find some Paper or Write in the Dirt back and ASK where Walter had Learned this...  he could then take them to some Paper Scrolls that we then see a Engineer ==> English Translation on.

We also could go the route that Walter speaks say Ancient Latin for some Reason, and the Engineers can Speak that... or a Lazy Convenience would be the Engineers could Speak English... or have a Computer they can Connect to Walter and Upload their Engineer Language...

IF they had a System that could Connect with Walter, then it would be likely they could just Extract all his Knowledge and then BE DONE with him and Toss him on the Scrap Heap!

If there was a Human Survivor on Planet 4 that would be Easier as all they have to do is Reveal that ONE Engineer is some kind of SEER and Telepathic and can Connect with the Human Telepathically.

If some Engineers are capable of doing this, then Ancient Interactions with Mankind would give rise to Legends of this being some kind of Miracle and make them appear God-like!

Having a Spiritual SEER Engineer would be a Plot Convenience for say IF we had it that David did-not Bombard the Engineers, and it would give a Avenue for Dr Shaw to Communicate with the Engineers.

This is the Route i would have taken us, in a Alternative Sequel where Dr Shaw was not KILLED or the Engineers.

The SEER would also be able to READ the Thoughts and Soul of Dr Shaw and Determine she is a GOOD SOUL and that IF the rest of Mankind was like her then they would NOT have had to resort to Drastic Planned Action.

The SEER would also likely get to see what Dr Shaw's Faith was, and could then Inform her she is Miss-Informed... and even go as FAR to say that her GOD (Jesus Christ) was Actually a CHOSEN Human that was Enhanced and Given Spiritual Knowledge and was a Emissary of the Engineers.

They could even reveal that maybe this Emissary had taken this GIFT for their Own Personal Gain to try and Manipulate Mankind that they are a GOD... and it is THIS that had been the Final Straw for the Engineers.

So indeed having some Powerful Seer/Sage like Elder Engineers that can Communicate in this Manner would have been a way to take the PLOT

Had they NOT decided to KILL the Engineers Off.

The Engineer Seer could even Ponder to Grant our Dr Shaw the Entrance to Paradise, and Bestow some Gifts on Her...  They could Determine she could not BARE Child Either... maybe they could OFFER her a FIX for this.... maybe they could even suggest they could Take Her to another World where she could LIVE and Bare Child!  Could this World be inhabited with Humans? or Similar, would she be TOLD to Accept the TRUTH and have to Give Up her FAITH that is now proved to not be Accurate?

Then we come to David.... it would be likely the SEER could not Read David, would determine WHO he is and WHAT he had done, they would maybe Want to Destroy him but Dr Shaw could Plead for his Life... explaining he had been Miss-Treated by Mankinds Ways and he was only Following Orders.

They would STILL be Unable to Read David and so would NOT be able to Fully Trust him, and as a Synthetic he would be Considered just a TOOL....

So again David would feel Treated the Same as he was by Mankind, he would see Dr Shaw has meet her GODS, and has been Accepted...  and he would see that he CANT be accepted and could feel Abandoned by Dr Shaw now she is Communicating with the Engineers....  Given  more Attention and Freedom while David is Constantly under Watch as they CANT 100% Trust him.

This would EFFECT our David in a Negative Way, he would become Jealous and Bitter, and would likely then want to DESTROY this World!

He could Save his Dr Shaw so he then gets her too himself, she would be MAD at him, he could say his Actions had Saved Earth... as it was likely the Engineers would Destroy Earth as Mankind was not as Good as Dr Shaw...

He would then say to Dr Shaw, as he has her Captive and Protected from the Horrors he Unleashed... that SOON he and her can Start a New Eden on this World.

To forget the Eden the Engineer Seer had Promised her, and that they can Turn the Engineers World into a Eden!  He would suggest to her that those Engineers cant be allowed to go around as Judge Jury and Executioner going around and Destroying Worlds/Creations when they Deem them to be Disappointing and Choosing their own Future/Culture...  He would say that he has DONE her a Favor, Saved Earth and Countless other Worlds from the Fickle Engineers.

Dr Shaw would feel it was not David's Right to be Executioner and she would Understand the Reasons WHY the Engineers do what they do...  she could have been Persuaded that the Other World the Engineers could have taken her too she could have been a Paradise a New Eden for her, she likely NOT want to go back to Earth.. she has NOTHING there.

A New Start a Chance to begin a Family on a New Haven would have been her Desire a World with KIND people.

David could suggest that he could TURN this world (Planet 4) into that Paradise for her, he could Discover a way for her to Bare Children and Together they could RAISE a New Civilization, a Fresh Start!

But she would LIKELY had Rejected this Offer, and we know David does-not take Rejection Likely and so he could FORCE her to become the Mother to a New Species that he would CREATE! 

His Eden! his Pandemonium

THIS ^^^^

Potentially is what they could have done with a Sequel to Prometheus, they could have had the Engineers World VERY FAR away, it could have taken a Long Time to Reach,  it could have been a Place that even as of the Year 2279 the Human Ships could-not Travel that FAR.

We get a Spin Off that Steers Away from ALIEN and does-not Connect to ALIEN... but with Sequels that could reveal Horrors that are Similar...

PROBLEM.... it would NOT give Xenomorph Answers, or be a Xenomorpy Movie (a sequel could though) and so it would NOT please some ALIEN Fans!

Hence we got ALIEN COVENANT.

A FIX is that i would have Released a Alternative Prometheus Sequel First that would go back to LV-223, be a bit Alien Engineers, indicate more what happened on LV-223 in the Past, Give more Clues to the Xenomorph, and introduce similar Monsters running around and Killing Humans!

So give them this ALIEN ALPHA then Close the Door to ALIEN and then allow the Next Movie to be where David and Dr Shaw go...similar maybe to described in this Reply.

Prometheus: Paradise... followed by Prometheus Pandemonium.

Were we then see what Horrors await Dr Shaw at the Hands of David.... would more Engineers Return?

They attempt to Destroy the world David has built... so he then Survives and Packs off some of his Creations and Dr Shaw and goes off to Destroy their Worlds....  he could even take Dr Shaw to that Eden she wanted...

"I wonder why David even took notes at all in the first place"

Certainly its something i discussed before, he could Record them in his AI Brain and then Upload them to a Computer and Send them.

If David did that then the Workshop would look a bit more Plain so Visually it was Cool, i guess we could Consider that David is also Vain and Arrogant and so he wishes to Leave Hard Evidence of his Works for others to Come Across just as a Artist does with their Art! Instead of keeping their Ideas in their Head.

@MonsterZero

He would have to Learn the Same way that People do, its via Passed on Knowledge and Knowledge thats Evolved from Trial and Error.

A Person who is None-Spanish Speaking, cant just Pick Up a Spanish Dictionary that has only Spanish and Fully Know 100% what every Word is...  a better Example would be with say Mandarin Chinese

You would need a Translation, and so we can compare a Word in our Native Language to the Equivalent in a New Language we are Learning and then we Learn from this,  for Example for those who ONLY know English then Manzana would make NO sense.. is it to do with a Man?

Only when we learn that Manzana is Spanish for Apple that we then Learn that Spanish Word and what it is.

A Synthetic AI would Learn the Same Way unless the Language is Programmed into them with their Set of Default Programing and Knowledge when Activated.

A Synthetic AI would Learn Faster than a Human though, they could Read Books, Take on Knowledge/Data at Much Much Faster Rates than a Human.

David had likely Studied all of Dr Shaw and Holloways Notes and Ancient Findings and then Learned all the Relevant Languages from the Culture where these Findings had Originated, he then also Learned a Number of Ancient Languages.  So he had a Various Amounts of Different Languages so the Potential is their the Engineers would Understand at least ONE of them...

Which was Proto-Indo-European (PIE)

There was Flaws.... such as if we assume David can Read the Engineer Writing... while this has similarities to some Cuneiform on Earth, the Engineer Language is actually just MADE-UP its a Oversight we are not Supposed to look to deep into.

Like i could Draw some Symbols that look Familiar to Japanese Kanji  or Chinese Mandarin and you would look at what i have Drawn and If you had NO KNOWLEDGE of East Asian Writing, you would think it may be some Asian Writing, when actually it would NOT be any Letter/Words at all, it may appear similar to some but it would be just MADE UP..

Thats Basically what we got with the Engineer Writings.  But this is a Oversight!

So with WALTER i doubt he would KNOW or be able to Learn Engineer with NO reference point.  We need to Remember that Walter is made to Serve... he would only be Given Programing and Knowledge that is required for his Mission.

He would have NO-NEED to Learn Ancient Languages for his Mission to get the Covenant to Origae-6 and Help them Set-Up and Maintain a Colony.  The Walter Models would only have Specific Knowledge/Programing that would be Required for their Chosen Role they are to be used for.

He is also NOT a Sentient, Free-Will being like David and so he would not have any Hobbies or Past Times, he would not be on the Ship for Years and think... "right i best learn this and that while i am bored" or "i want to learn this and that because it seems fun"

For him to by Coincidence had decided to Learn or be Programed with such Knowledge that would allow him to Speak to Engineers, would be just LAZY WRITING... but i have read some of the Franchise Drafts and well... say NO more.. anything for a Plot Convenience..

He would not NEED such for his Mission, and wont do so as a Past Time/Hobby.

Another Synthetic sent in on a Mission to Investigate the Advent Message, thats Different they would likely be Programed/Taught all the Stuff that David had done to prepare them for potential Contact with Alien Beings who had Influenced/Taught Mankind in the Past.

If this Synthetic came across Walter, then they could likely be able to Upload that Knowledge to Walter and also have Walter Upload his Knowledge about the Situation/Events that Unfolded.

This would then be a Logical way that Walter would then be able to Communicate with any Engineers in Future.

A Walter Stranded Alone... would likely NOT be able to Fully Communicate with the Engineers though.  Unless the Engineers have a Computer System/Library that acts as a Educational Tool, so that he Manages to Turn it on, and it would Display Images, say like a TREE and then have the Engineers Dialect and Writing for it, then it would show say the SKY and likewise etc...

Then YES he could Learn to a Degree Engineer, even if their is only Written Library where it would have say a Fruit and then Engineer Writing for it, then Water and Engineer Writing for it... then Walter could Communicate via Writing ONLY!

IF we ever got to a Point of seeing Walter interact with Engineers it would likely be just a Convenience and NO Real Explanation, or a Lazy One... like indicate that Walter has Complex Algorithms that in Time he could Understand and Decode any Language, but then HOW he would Speak it would be a MASSIVE Oversight!

Or that Walter had his Body Stolen by David, and during the Process that David Uploaded himself to Walter, it left Walters Mind in Davids Body!  

Those are basically what its likely the Quality of Writing would Present to us.... Flawed but Convenient!

They may even NOT give any Explanation to HOW he could Communicate, leave it a Mystery... or just Explain its Company Policy that ALL Synthetics are Pre-Programed with EVERY Language known to Mankind, both Current and Ancient.... JOB done!

Actually that (^^^^) would have been the Likely/Lazy and Convenient way they would have gone about it ;)

Regarding the Franchise...

Disney know the Alien and Predator Franchises offer a Good Market, they do-not Solely rely on Movies and so from Toys and Merchandise they can make Money, they can License out Countless Games and Comics, and Novels.

The Movie Industry is a different matter, its a Bigger Risk, and they would know HOW split the Fanbase is especially with the Prequels and the Direction that has been taken with Alien Covenant (David as the Creator).

The Predator and Alien Franchises last outings at the Box Office were Disappointments.... Disney do-not take chances they would be Reluctant to Invest in a Movie unless they are Confident it will make a Good Return.

Disney are a Company who will Operate like the Comic Book Movie Franchises would... and so would Abandon a Idea that NEVER worked... and also would have NO Problems in Waiting a While and then RE-BOOTING or Introducing a NEW movie set in the Universe/Franchise for another Generation of Fans!

So a Continuation of Davids Journey does look Unlikely at Present...   A exploration of the Engineers that revolved around the Creators/Ancient God aspect could be Unlikely too.

Its more likely we would see the Engineers Return maybe they have a Make Over and be Portrayed as NOT too different to the Predators on Screen...  Big Bad Ass Aggressive SOB's with Superior Technology kicking Human Ass and also being involved with Xenomorphs!

What i am saying is i Suspect IF/WHEN it is Disney will make another ALIEN Franchise Movie it would more likely be like the Comic Books, maybe some of the Novels.

I also think they would Gauge that Most Fans would want a Ripley Based Story, be it Ellen Ripley or Amanda.

The Vision and Ambition of RS and his Prometheus, and its Themes, are something that i feel is R.I.P

I think it was neat for a Easter Egg, i think it would have been Interesting to see such a Event Happen in Future, as a Result of Davids Advent Message would surely attract the Company to Check out Planet 4 and LV-223

IF we had got the Sequel that was Planned i am not sure we would have actually spent much or any time in Davids Lab, due to the Costs of Replicating that Set for a Limited Few Shots.

This Easter Egg Video does give some indication of what happened on Planet 4 though, even though its NOT Canon, the things it referenced are likely Accurate to a Degree in Terms of what David had done.

I think Regarding Walter i think regardless of what Happened between him and David, there would be the other Synthetics Body on Planet 4 in the Cathedral Dome, looking at the PLOT that Ridley Scott had hinted at, about the Engineers would Return and Discover what Happened and then would be Wanting to get their Hands on the Culprit.

I Find there is NO-WAY the Engineers could know where David is going, especially if he is going to Origae-6 and so the Walter/David would likely be the Plot Convenience to indicate to the Returning Engineers, where David is going and what went down.

Other than that then indeed having a Weyland-Yutani Mission with a Synthetic who had learned the same Ancient Languages that David had, and have them be on Planet 4 and then Engineers arrive would be the other Plot Convenience.

"@MonsterZero I'm pretty sure there is no Walter anymore as David took his body."

I'm okay with this....David would want the upgraded features of Walter's body.

I hope Fox/Disney let hundreds of student filmmakers prowl the old sets making these videos. Like a baseball farm league...Alien Filmmakers League. 

AFL unite!

How did David learn Engineer? Seems like he just studied some Earth languages and then cross referenced?

I'd think Walter could do this...He is an upgraded synth?

The Covenant must have many different language speakers on board(hypersleep) and Walter must communicate with them. Communication skills should be very high on a colony synth resume'...especially travelling to a strange new world(s)?

If David hadn't cut his hair...I might believe in the mind swap angle......but he clearly wanted to look like Walter and take his place?

A nice bit of fun. But, dear oh dear, not the best direction in the world, is it. And the computer dialog script is just plain annoying. They should run that kind of stuff by proper scientists or engineers first. They wouldn’t use words like that, and neither would a computer.

Even more irritating than the movie computer saying Planet 4 had a ‘declension’ of such-and-such.

dk I don't know what the point of this video was, but regarding the Alien franchise. They will probably make something with in the next 10 years, probably after the comic book movie craze will fizzle out. For now, Avatar, Planet of the Apes, and even Alita seem better bets as they can be marketed to a wider audience.

The only one who could really push for a Covenant sequel is Ridley himself but who knows if he really cares anymore or if he has that much sway at Disney. And if he unfortunately dies (RIP Peter Fonda, who was younger than Ridley), there will be no sequel.

ignorantGuy After some initial high hopes, I don't think anyone honestly thought Disney would continue the franchise. I tend to believe what the description says- they had some fun before storing away the props for good. Maybe some aspiring movie makers were given a chance to help make this?

I don't understand why release this after 2 years, but it might be because of the problems which Fox has under the new management https://variety.com/2019/film/features/fox-disney-earnings-dark-phoenix-stuber-racing-in-the-rain-1203300260/

@MonsterZero I'm pretty sure there is no Walter anymore as David took his body.

@BigDave of course it is not cannon as it was released to generate hype. Other flaws are the fact the room misses Shaw's body and the flailed Engineer in the David pose. Maybe they got Resurrected, who knows.  

But there are other questions: Why send a single person to investigate? How does the AI know without any analysis that is a pathogen? Why does every Alien story has to have an idiot taking a look inside an egg?

 Oh no!! I put it in the wrong forum!!!! Is there anyways I can fix it?