I was thinking in something inside the alien Queen that erupts from within and bursts its way out. 

Well, what do i know, @dk...

I'm ONLY a traveller that gets Lost in the world of the xenomorph.

setaverde I can see your point, but I think all bursters shared DNA with their hosts. 

I think the burster at the end of A3 was a queen, so I think that may have been the first Queen burst. The AR burst was definitely the only one that survived (unless I missed something from comics or novels).

Some Nice Shares ;)

Certainly it would be interesting to see more SHIPS.

I think the Prometheus Plot does open us up to many Engineer Ships, never mind many other Races in the Galaxies Ships.

The Debate about a INVITATION is not so HARD.

Looking at a Reason WHY they wanted to Destroy us is something MUCH more open for Debate.

I think a lot has to do EXACTLY with WHY they would Create us anyway?

Yes there is that Date that is by Coincidence around the Time of Christ's Death (Give or Take) and YES we had Ridley Scott mention this was done on Purpose but then Considered a little TOO on the NOSE.

He liked to get us to think that over time the WAYS that Mankind had behaved had started to become a Concern, if we LITERALLY was to look at it from GOD's POV  and you saw the Majority of the Population Now as far as WHAT would offend the Biblical God, and as FAR as the % who Worship him to the LETTER... Then that GOD would certainly be like PREPARE THE BLACK GOO!

But this should NOT be getting too much into Religion as far as ONE.. and i think this is WHY it is RS had toned this down somewhat.

So we need to look at it this way.... we have to consider that for a God or Godlike beings, they would want their Creations to.

*Behave in Ways that the Creators Deem Acceptable.

*Respect and Worship the Creators.

*Follow any Rules/Laws that the Creators have set out.

*Stick to the Function that the Creators had set out for us.

A Creator would be Concerned if the Following Started to Happen.

*Creations become Sentient and do-not see their Creators as Superior or see any reason why they should be Worshiped.

*Creations go about Living their Lives to their own Rules and have no Respect for/or Follow the Rules/Ways their Creators had set out.

*Creations Start to use the Knowledge passed on in ways Not Intended or begin to Create their own Knowledge/Inventions or Ideals (Advancements) that could be seen as a Concern.

*Creations attempt to Sub-Create or Play God.

All of these THINGS would be a Concern, and we can Attribute many of them to Many Cultures/Civilizations on Earth (especially Modern) in comparison to how say some Cultures like the AMISH for instance would Choose to Live despite being in Modern Times.

which we could make Comparisons with the Planet 4 Engineers. (Living by their Creators Ways/Rules and Shunning Technology for the Most Part).

But this is ONLY looking at HOW we could be a Concern.

I think we OVERLOOK our David a lot when trying to Figure out stuff..

If you look at the Potential for what WALTER would become and a World of Many Walters doing their Duty.

Then look for the Potential for what DAVID would become a World of Many David's who do-not see their Purpose that we had set out for them, and even view us as In-Superior and NOT worthy to be Served.

As a Creator you would be Concerned about what a DAVID could become and if you Creations Start to Show signs of becoming a David... then you would PULL THE PLUG on them.

Or at least RE-PROGRAM.... but sometimes this maybe does-not work and the only option is DESTRUCTION.

@Hox it does prove maybe they should make more Research and time taken into the things they show us, but a lot of it comes down to OVERSIGHT but with that comes Discrepancies that some Fans can use to Counter a Argument against certain things.

The intentions was to indicate the Zeta2 Reticuli system

Looking at Orion we can kind of make it look like a Match but it is a LITTLE off still.  The Map i attempted kind of Fits Better but is in NO-WAY to suggest this was thought out by those working on Prometheus, it is merely a Coincidence.

You raised a Good Point about the Briefing Map was ODD.

I took that Map and Lined it up with ORION from SKY-MAP Website and then Pinpointed where Approximately LV-223 was located according to the Holloway Briefing. 

The Co-Ordinates are NOT where ZETA 2 is located in the SKY.  While in RED i have marked out a Approximate Area where Holloway had pointed out.  i have Marked in GREEN a More Accurate Location of where Zeta 2 Reticuli would be.

So if we are trying to tackle the Oversight, then YES its quite a WAY off from Zeta 2

Could we use this to ARGUE that they went to a Place that is NO-WHERE near LV-426?  Could we Argue the Maps that Dr Shaw and Holloway found are pointing out ORION (but we can kind of match them to Various Stars if we had a Good Look).

You could also use it to MATCH up to the Betty Hill Abduction Map.

IN FACT when looking at SKY MAP its quite easy to find a Series of Stars that can Line Up close to this.

If we are ALLOWED to Rotate the Map and ZOOM IN/OUT on the SKY-MAP Website, especially if we are ONLY looking to find a Configuration that is CLOSE.

Had to do a EDIT on the Image this one is more Accurate as i made a Slight Mistake.

Nonetheless is does still indicate that INDEED where Holloway was pointing to (RED) is NO-WHERE near Zeta 2 (GREEN).

So Holloway was pointing to a System in Gemini, Near Star HD 54405  (Right ascension:    07h09m22.07s
Declination:    +16°32'58.2")

Here's the first burst Experience for an Alien Queen:

https://youtu.be/C_yfM1LAqP0

Technically, This alien Queen has Ellen Ripley's blood, therefore She's part human.

So, Engineers most likely hoped humans would join and co-exist with them, but at some point during their visit, humans proved to be a disappointment to them, so they thought "Nope, can't let those hostile bastards ruin this planet."

Roman legionaries can't destroy or contaminate the planet. And if Engineers think that we can't evovle without their help - it causes controversy.

@BigDave, Unfortunately the star map on the Prometheus is made up. It was clearly artwork inspired in part by the constellation of Orion, which is probably the most recognisable of all constellations. In this overlay, you can see this.

And here is the 'unadulterated' scene. I added the arrow pointing to LV-223 as indicated in the movie.

Unfortunately, Reticulum is in a completely different part of the sky, a different hemisphere in fact. LV-223 is shown in the movie as being somewhere between Canis Minor and Gemini (northern hemisphere).

It's a great pity that the production team didn't use a proper star map to create this visual, instead of making one up.

Orion...

Aliens 1986 film:

Gateway Station

UD-4L Cheyenne Dropship

USS SULACO

https://youtu.be/rcDXo1bi6YU

The Importance of Ship Names in the Alien Films

http://www.cinelinx.com/movie-news/movie-stuff/the-importance-of-ship-names-in-the-alien-films/

Alienverse Ship Dimensions

https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/46518

Alien 3:

The Type 337 Emergency Escape Vehicle(EEV):

Spaceship USCSS PATNA

(Superior left corner of the picture, from your Point of view)

Ridleygram's Refinery looks fantastic!

 Prometheus: Escape Pod

https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/46752

Prometheus: Lifeboat

https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/46748

The Unknown Engineer ship:

David destroys the engineers scene:

https://youtu.be/w2Dwv9gi1po

The Derelict...

setaverde I really like The Refinery. It just looks huge and is amazing such a small crew is on it. It is almost as iconic as the Derelict imo.

They are both outstanding movies in their own right. I cannot think of a single movie anywhere that was flawless. I think most love both movies and nit picking shows people are really into them. I like the whole Quadrilogy despite faults.

Alien Resurrection film:

USM POD:

USM AURIGA:

The Betty docking with the

USM AURIGA...

https://youtu.be/zahL_eCU3Ds

WHY NOT BOTH? People always say "it has to be One Or the other, not both." why? The Eggmorphing theory works Also because if there is a queen alien, then there would be no reason to have an eggmorph; however, if there Was No queen, then how would it reproduce? an Eggmorph, of course (in fantasy logic). Both of these should be canon because if there was no eggmorph they could use their bodies to further the Alien-version of terraforming their environment ("it's a Dry Heat" = moisture absorbed for terraforming), while a queen would create a large number very quickly by utilizing the egg-womb or whatever by laying many eggs very fast. Otherwise, an eggmorph would be a last-resort for a single surviving alien combat form which would use the terraforming of its cells to morph a person into an egg to create a queen, which would logically be the first alien (which would also have a long gestation period to grow larger with more resources like why she didn't die immediately in Alien^3).

Both of these are logical and work seamlessly Together, which is why both being canon are excellent ideas.

I have the Neca Alien 3 Xeno and am happy with it. I really like that coiled buster though. Wish I could buy those seperately.

The Big Chap package looks really good. I didn't see a price point but NECA usually is good for the quality.

Alien Covenant Spaceship

https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/44042&page=2

Alien Covenant: Lifter

Alien Covenant: Lander

https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/45493

Prometheus: Destroy the ship!

'Heads up!'

https://youtu.be/EhF1-njN3sI

Prometheus...

At the beginning of "The Crossing", we see the juggernaut which Shaw and David have fetched from one of the facilities on LV-223, slowly gliding through space (suggesting that they have at least managed to get the ship airborne).

Next, we see Shaw examining a star map (in order to find the homeworld of the engineers?). Then, Shaw puts David together, and together they "were able to activate their ship and set course for their homeworld". They seem to be happy together.

David says it's impossible to say how far it is to the engineer homeworld but Shaw is put into hypersleep. David is then "alone again" For how long? During this time, David learns "of their ways". When they arrive at their homeworld, David immediately begins the holocaust.

Was Shaw awake? Did she witness the extermination?

Well, having only knowledge of the movie itself, it was pretty good and the concept of being mostly silent was very engaging. The last 15-20 minutes was a shit show though. It is worth watching until you see the toungueless clan- then shut it off. (One can still make plenty of vocal noise without a tongue)! And why bother mentioning a girl was fertile? So what? That point went nowhere.

The Vasps were pretty much a thing you had to take as a given like you had to accept zombies in the Dawn of the Dead- they were just there. I just took it in- no problem.

The egg laying bit was late in the movie and was very brief and only explained by what what was seen for about 5 seconds. That bit could have been chopped and no one would have noticed. Meh-

The Vasps themselves resembled the creatures from Pitch Black pretty much and behaved the same except they reacted to sound and not light- Fair enough! 

It is worth a watch up until you you see the Tonguless guy sketch "Shhhhh". 

Good concept, good acting, so so CGI, good story, some unexplored plot points, horrible last scene. 

Have some popcorn and a few beers and give it a go one time. One and done!

Here's a Ridleygram of the Refinery:

And Finally, The Refinery:

https://fantascienzaitalia.com/alien-1979-la-raffineria-storia-della-miniatura-50-foto/

The Narcissus - The Escape Shuttle from the Alien's 1979 film.

https://youtu.be/bTNg90PoLWo

BigDave You are pretty much on track with concepts explored in the movie. It also looks at the relationship of a Mother and Daughter- as the characters are named. It is written in a way that you can see each character's motivation and also how they conflict- but as the saying goes, Mother knows best.

I saw a rumor that a sequel might be called "I am not Father" :D

Well, the engineers decided we weren't fit to exist during the reign of the roman empire and the time of Christ. We were hardly any more civilized before that time . . .

Dr. Shaw interpreted those paintings as an invitation.

Based on comments by Ridley, and what we've seen in the film, Engineers seed planets with life and periodically visit them to check and update their creations. If their creations proved successful as the Engineers hoped, the Engineers would come back again. If their creations proved to be a disappointment, the Engineers would simply eradicate entire species using the pathogen and start all over again.

"If the planet went wrong, they would want to wipe it clean. But that could take 500 years. When they revisit because different visitors would come back and see we're not doing so well they would look at these human beings that are jerks, that are killing the planet, killing themselves, can't settle down, they're like a bunch of children. We should wipe it clean."

So, Engineers most likely hoped humans would join and co-exist with them, but at some point during their visit, humans proved to be a disappointment to them, so they thought "Nope, can't let those hostile bastards ruin this planet."

Even if Engineers checked on humans somewhere in 2000 A.D., they'd be disappointed anyway.

As for the Advent transmission, it seems likely that it was close after leaving Planet 4.

About Shaw's hair length, it looks like they travelled together, helping each other manoeuvring the juggernaut before Shaw was put into hypersleep.

When it comes to "the invitation", the location was probably pointed out before the engineers were disappointed with us and wanted to eradicate us . . .

THE AWESOME STORY OF HOW THE NOSTROMO PROP FROM ALIEN WAS RESCUED

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.syfy.com/syfywire/the-awesome-story-of-how-the-nostromo-prop-from-alien-was-rescued%3famp

 And here's One of the videos where you can watch the restoration:

https://youtu.be/kaErKQ-jPAA

...and a picture before the landing on the planet LV-426:

I think what RS was trying to do is show that there can be more about the ALIEN Franchise than just being about the Pursuit of that Cargo on the Derelict and our Heroine Ripley putting a END to the Companies Plans to obtain the Xenomorph.

We could Ponder/Question what if a AI is actually behind the scenes running the SHOW while Mankind are unaware?

A Plot where AI is running the Weyland-Yutani company or plays a MASSIVE ROLE could certainly explain a keen INTEREST in the Pursuit of the Xenomorph at all Costs... because then Mankind would just be Expendable to them and the AI could be interested in Obtaining the Creation of one of their Forefathers (David).

so you could have Expanded Universe Movies that DONT deal with the Xenomorph.  I think the whole Back Ground of the AUTONS  would be something Interesting to Delved into.

Certainly fits with the Prequel Theme of Creation and the Hubris of Sub-Creating... so you could PONDER in Future if AI Synthetics begin to RULE the World... then the Creation of the Autons could likely prove to be the Synthetics Undoing etc.

You could Picture a WORLD where 3 Races are Fighting for Control of the Earth.... Humans, Synthetics and Auton's and that Certainly would explain this Scene. as a Consequence/Aftermath.

came across this Video on another Topic a Little while back...

I have NOT seen it yet as i dont have Netflix, but it seems to touch upon some interesting concepts.

I feel the Plot can be somewhat connected to The Covenant as in the posibility in Future to SEND out a Noah's Ark of sorts to Populate other Worlds with Humans, in which case Carrying Embryos would save on Space and having Androids Tasked with Populating those Embryos once they have arrived at their Destination and Set Up Camp.

Within context to I AM MOTHER... its also a possible Plot in the Future of our Species, the potential for mankind to Destroy itself is always there and so a BACK-UP plan would be required, and while SCI-FI you could actually envision something similar happening in the Very Distant Future.

The Advent of AI is Interesting because the Creation of Advanced AI could be our SAVIOR or our DOWNFALL.

Certainly we are all BORN Innocent and we are shaped by our Upbringing and information/knowledge and others who we interact with and situations we are involved with or witness.

Isolate some Children and Raise them with SET Rules and Upbringing and Potentially you could Raise a Civilized Peaceful Colony.  This in PART is the Noah Tale as he was deemed Pure and Loyal and Tasked with Starting Over  and so its interesting to Ponder if a AI would eventually see Mankind as Destroying itself and deem the NEED to Eradicate Us but to keep some Embryo's/Children to START OVER where they can be brought up in a Environment that does not become Corrupted by the Ways of Man.

With I AM MOTHER... it appears some Revelations come about and then MOTHER would surely NOT want to allow any Outside Influences to Corrupt what she is attempting to do.

so i think we could be seeing some of what I AM MOTHER is offering with Ridley Scotts upcoming Raised by Wolves.

While we cant take that bit of work i had done to try and make a Match as being what is intended (the Team Behind the Maps may have done NO Research and so it Actually may NOT match any System)  I think if we looked at Every Part of the SKY we could find other Groups of STARS that Match that are NO-WHERE near LV-223.

I would like to say  that it does seem HIGHLY LIKELY the Star Maps that Dr Shaw and Holloway had Discovered had NOT taken us to LV-223 by Coincidence so we have to ASSUME as far as the Movie goes that the STAR MAPS had to match up with Group of Stars within the Vicinity of the Reticulum Constellation.

We saw that Dr Shaw felt that these were left for Mankind as a Invitation, this was HER assumption... she latter said "we was so WRONG!"  This quote is OPEN to interpretation.

*Wrong because it was NOT a Invitation?

*Wrong because She DID-NOT expect the place to be as Horrific with the Intention they Discovered? (To Destroy us).

Likely is both of the above......

But then you could Argue that you CANT take her Assumptions as anywhere near FACT...  By Virtue of her Keeping her FAITH in Spite of all her Work/Research and what they Discover on LV-223.

She was Naive and as she said "its what i CHOOSE to believe" so that Irrational Response could KNOCK any Credibility to what ever she ASSUMES.

Kind of likewise that people can KNOCK the Credibility of David by Virtue of getting the AUTHOR of the Ozymandias Poem Wrong.

I think we just need to look at WHY the Engineers would INVITE us from their POV.... for this it comes down to WHY we was Created and by WHO?  (Planet 4 Engineers or Prometheus Style Engineers).

The Alien Covenant drafts seem to give some indication, but again its from David.. which is that the Engineers had attempted to BUILD Good Machines with us.

This implies our Creation was to Serve just as David was to Serve, by that for some purpose like Hard Labour and so this Mirrors some of the Sumerian Anunnaki Tales for our Creation.

In this Context then it is LIKELY those Maps where NOT any Invitation.  And merely either.

*We Created you from HERE

*This is where you CAME from.

Or Dr Shaw and Holloway had taken the Prometheus to the WRONG place and the Star Maps had intended to point to PLANET 4 and indicate this is WHERE the Engineers came from. 

Again being Unlikely it was a Invitation and we are NEVER intended to go there, only unless the Engineers came and TOOK some of us there, as its likely the Engineers had NEVER intended to Teach us to become so Advanced and they THOUGHT that without their HELP we would never ADVANCE to Reach the STARS.

Thank you for the wonderful, well-thought out, detailed analysis, BigDave! That makes a lot of sense and I really hope it will happen, so we can see Walter again! I'm so glad Ridley Scott loves androids/synthetics, too! His are the best! 

I'm so looking forward to another Aliens movie! It's about time! 

When doing that IMAGE.. to Pin Point where the ADVENT was sent... i noticed something in the TOP RIGHT Corner.

There are a GROUP of Stars that KIND OF match the Star Map, its NOT 100% but CLOSE.... and Located in the Reticulum Constellation.

 You may have to View Image Separate (Enlarge it), while this does-not mean this is the MATCH, its kind of Close and Certainly within the Vicinity of Zeta 2 Reticuli 

Just assuming this is Correct (which it may very well NOT be), then it could be that Dr Shaw and Holloway went to the WRONG place... maybe because when they arrived close to the Matching System the only Candidate as far as being Likely to Sustain Life near by was LV-223

Maybe the Engineers were pointing to Planet 4, and maybe we assume the MAP i did was Correct, it was indicated that Planet 4 was obscured from Detection somehow...

But it seems likely that the Engineers had NEVER intended us to come and FIND them and so it was NO actual Invitation.

EDIT

I Overlapped the STAR MAP and while the 3 Stars Close by Match up, the other 3 are Off (Nothing really there) so maybe they are a bit Further away as Indicated in this Next image?

I think its hard to Gauge the Engineers Ships Speeds, i would ASSUME they are Vastly Quicker than Earths, and with Alien Covenant the Zeta 2 System took about a Year to Reach (Under Actually).  The Prometheus took about 2 Years.

I think its likely David was not 100% Honest with Dr Shaw and he had a Agenda to get her into Cryo-sleep so then he is in FULL CONTROL.

The RED X is where the Advent Viral Message was Transmitted from.   I think we have to assume this could have been Transmitted not far away from Planet 4 but we cant be 100% Sure, its a BIG Coincidence though so we are looking at either.

1) David Transmitted it from Planet 4 so it is located near Zeta 2 Reticuli (which some speculated on a Topic) HERE

2) David Transmitted it not to LONG after he had placed the Face Huger Embryos into the Embryo Storage on the Covenant, so the Ship had not traveled far which again indicates that Planet 4 is near Zeta 2 Reticuli

3) David travels near to Zeta 2 Reticuli before he sends the ADVENT which could indicate that he had left Planet 4 and is going to LV-223/426

When i say NEAR the Zeta 2 Reticuli System i am talking about as far as Location in the SKY, this does not mean its Distance is within a FEW Light Years of LV-223

We know that David had been stranded on Planet 4 for about 10 Years, from the Date of Departure of the Juggernaught from LV-223 to the Arrival of the Covenant to Planet 4 is about 10 Years 11 Months you could ASSUME thus thats how long David had been on Planet 4.

However.....Dr Shaw's Hair Growth shows that before she Entered the Engineer Cryo-Pod that 4-8 Months would have passed as far as Hair Growth.  So she had spent some TIME floating in Space before She agreed to put David back together.

Also the Novel (which we cant take everything as Gospel) indicated that David had marked out the days he was stranded and there was 3800 Marks/Days. Which taking into account LEAP Years means that from when David started to MARK those Dates to when the Covenant Ship arrived he had been STRANDED on Planet 4 for about 10 Years and 5 Months.

If we ACCEPT those 3800 days and take into account Dr Shaw's Hair Growth then its likely the Juggernaught took DAYS to get to Planet 4, certainly Few Weeks Maximum.

But we have NOTHING Concrete....  as far as 100% How Long it took or 100% were Planet 4 is located.

It seems Indicated as being near Zeta 2 Reticuli and taking a SHORT TIME (Days or Weeks) but there is nothing CONCRETE so its open for debate i guess.

Well, the engineers have travelled through vast expanses of space, Planet 4, LV-223 and LV-426 and Earth being some of them. Planet 4 was sufficiently far away from LV-223 for Shaw to get into hypersleep (it took almost a year with a juggernaut).

Somewhere in the direction of the Reticulum constellation, there might be a portal to another part of space, a wormhole . . .