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That shows the Influence and Confidence they had at the Time with Ridley Scott, also he had Influenced some Changes, which was also to Persuade the use of HR Giger.

Lets hope Disney have the same Confidence/Trust with Ridley Scott, and also think maybe Disney can come to a better agreement with the HR Giger Estate.

"BTW, what even with general detail are we supposed to have guessed happened on LV-223 from the little we get from the holograms?"

I think it was a bit Ambiguous among other things in the Movie, so i would like to touch upon your Last Paragraph.

Certainly you would have to ASK for how long had they Experimented with what they was doing on LV-223 to then LOOSE Control... the Star Maps indicated they had pointed this place out 35000 Years ago, and so was this place used for the Same Purpose for all that TIME?

The Pathogen is some Pretty Destructive Stuff... surely they are AWARE of this, and have Precautions?  Hence its likely the Space Jockey Suits are NOT used so they Can Breath because well we see that Humans Can Breath in the Outpost and so can the Engineers (they even can Breath outside where Mankind would last 2 Minutes).

So its LIKELY the Suits are kind of like Hazmat Suits, they Protect themselves from the Pathogen, but also Protect the Environment to becoming Contaminated so they affect the Pathogen (i think the Human Crew with NO Helmets could have affected the Environment)

The Ampoule Room seemed to be Sterile, it also seemed to show those Urns had remained Unaffected, until the Humans with NO Helmets turned up.  Its like the Environment for some reason Prevented the GOO from being Active!

We see the Engineers attempting to RUN to this Room, even those Dead Body's we saw are all up against a DOOR to that Room.   The Engineer Head was Well Preserved, yet his Body was a Empty Shell (Empty Space Suit) its as if his Body was NO-MORE... broken down.. Gone! We could Ponder if this was similar to what we saw happen with the Sacrificial Engineer?

Dr Shaw made references to a Outbreak like she has seen before (Ebola) and Janek mentioned about having to Destroy a Complex on Earth because some Scientist had Split Something...  I think a lot of the Dialog was there to Provide Clues and sometimes is Overlooked as just their Assumptions.

But then we have the SOUND that Screech, and so this makes some thing they are Running from a Xenomorph/Deacon and we cant rule this out... its maybe a Combination of Infection and running away from something that Resulted from Infection... who knows...

Its just something thats kind of open to interpretation

If we go to the Earlier Draft, Alien Engineers then its more Inferred that there was some Infection that resulted in some Engineers being Chest Busted.  And some other Dead Engineers wounds from the Adult Beasts that came from such Chest Busting.

But i was more drawn to a Outbreak from Prometheus, however when looking at the Neomorph in Alien Covenant then something similar to that could have happened. (by that a Organism Gestated from a Nano Infection and NOT by any Face Hugger).

How did they LOOSE Control?  we have to ask if they had suffered Outbreaks Before, they certainly had Witnessed Creatures like the Xenomorph, Deacon and Neomorph and so they must have had a way to CONTAIN them.

This is one of the MILLION $$$$ Questions...

Maybe we cant rule out Sabotage?

@Michelle

Its nice to see your Labor of Love is coming to Fruition, I am sure they are Certainly a Interesting Read.  I think its interesting that there are people who can see the Potential that the Prequels had opened up, beyond a Franchise that just deals with the Usual Tropes we see from Aliens ==> Resurrection.

I apologize in Advance for what i will reply to you post between Yourself and WalterMorph.  But its just to take a Quick Look at a Interesting Element that would have been Dr Shaw and David and i am sorry if this may seem like a Repeat of something i have said before.

I think there is a Interesting Variation between the Characters, we have Dr Shaw who although a Scientist she is Religious as its what she was brought up on by her Parents and so her Faith is Important to her, she is on a Discovery to see if INDEED the Star Maps would lead her to Our Makers and Hopeful they are closer to her Faith, but what Revelations she had.  Yet she still kept her Faith.

She has NOTHING to loose and wants her Answers, and its a shame that we never saw what Impact those would have had on her.

David is a bit of a Different Kettle of Fish because Alien Covenant gives a slight different indication of his Character, from Prometheus we are drawn to him being a Servant but one that had been Assigned as Weylands Personal Assistant with maybe more Benefits (Freewill) that came with this, we see him look more like a Pinocchio Character, a Boy in Wonder at Life, but also Hurt and Disappointed by his Treatment by other Humans.

He knew he was Superior, but he still seemed to be Hurt by the Notion that he was seen as NOTHING but a Soulless Machine.  It appeared in part that he played the Role of trying to Please his Father but Ultimately knowing his Father is Selfish and Uncaring and that Once his Father is Gone, he can be Free.  He seemed intrigued by the Engineers and Discovering that Mankind's Creators appeared to have Little Care for their Creations too, and seeing the Engineers were MORTAL it must have given him a Great Sense of how Superior he Potentially could be.

So we saw Roots of Discontent for Mankind.... but this is where David and Dr Shaw could have had a interesting Relationship... David was brought up on Science and so does-not share the Faith Views of Dr Shaw, he may have seen Evidence to show that her Faith is a SHAM!

But then he saw the Strength this Faith gave to Dr Shaw and its a shame as she could have HELPED him find his SOUL.  And likewise he could have HELPED her when/if she discovers the Higher Up the Creation Ladder the Less Loving Creation really is. (maybe it would been interesting to Ponder if David and Dr Shaw could have been Better Creators of a New Eden).

With Alien Covenant, David was portrayed more like a Robot who upon Activation KNEW he was Superior and saw in disgust that he is expected to SERVE his Mortal Master and he had Resentment of this, while also some Pity for his Master.

Which was not bad... but i think if you Ignored/Never saw Prometheus and The Crossing then it paints a Limited Picture of David.

Anyway sorry for a Not so Quick Reply...

I just once again thing its Fantastic when people put a lot of Passion into Elements of the Prequels and Characters that are seen as a Distraction from ALIEN Franchise (Queens and Ripley) its nice to see others who see Deeper into what could have been (especially with Engineers and Dr Shaw/David), and Certainly i am sure your Work would make a Very Interesting Read.

What if the engineers had created androids before humans and these androids were the begining of the end of  the engineer's civilization?! The engineers had to destroy One by One, across the universe, and the last One was...the space jockey.

That's why the engineer of Prometheus riped out the head of David, without hesitation.

The engineer's androids were created to resemble with the One, the immortal and they have 12 ft tall like their "Christ".

My brain imploded right now.

Thanks @BigDave, for your enlightenment.

Maybe for the engineers, it's easy to locate the coordenates of their ships, because it's their technology.

It's plausible that the engineers didn't land on planet 4, because they didn't have detected any sign of life.

Everybody, i ask you to forgive my Madness.

@ Waltermorph

You may have noticed my observations further up this thread. There is a Ripley/Aliens audience which might feel there is unfinished business which the OP refers to regarding his parents I respect that even if it is a reunion greatest hits tour. But there is a slightly older audience and interesting enough all the feedback from people all over the world chimes with your views. What I found fascinating when I wrote a follow up to Prometheus is people immediately said could you do that for the movie because I didn't get that from the movie. So I did and what is interesting is all the points you made are handled by "Pandora's Urn" which covers the period of the 25th and 26th December 2093. 

There are in retrospect two errors in Prometheus which are Ridleys fault and probably the result of film making  pragmatism.

Lindelof removed the outbreak of Xenomorph's and put Weyland on board the Prometheus and changed the purpose of the mission. What Ridley did not request of him was make the creature connection clear and make the hubristic nature of the mission and in particular David/Sir Peter's relationship clear. As an aside if you have Sir Peter on board you have to do more with Meredith Vickers and you have to make more of his antagonistic knowing support.

This is not fan obsession about size, distance and all the other stuff that is recycled on forums like this it is about story and character. The stuff that makes people watch a movie, play or read a book.  

So when i wrote a treatment of the movie three things happened:-

1) The purpose of the mission and Davids feelings about Weyland were clear from the outset, what he felt when he was woken in Weyland's home is known to the reader.

2) The cause of the disaster is left clearly ambiguous rather than muddled ambiguous. The Janek/Vickers deleted scene and Ridleys "Seven Worlds" commercial provide the answer as of course does the fork in the road sequel but then it is in the movie just observational third person.      

3) The creature in Pandora's Urn is used as a plot device. Can you imagine a hapless victim with a psychopath looking on and the narration offering a hint of what the creature is. Well thats what you get. As an aside the lone craft and its cargo is a plot device in Regained, the sequel to Pandora's Urn and the importance of what we fondly know as the Space Jockey is HUGE. Ridley said in 2012 he was a brother of the Engineers on the Moon whose brother? 

So I agree with you the story could have been imaginative and yet make clear what Kane's child and the derelict meant and I know people would have found that satisfying but the real key is its important, but nothing as important as finding out who the real monster is and why.

That lack of clarity meant we were deflected from the real journey, the answers to Elizabeth Shaw's questions.

Ironically its art reflecting real life or is that the other way round. So if people want dripping water, dark corridors and someone called Ripley I am not surprised, that is all explained by the events of Regained. Remember what Elizabeth said as realisation of the essential truth began to dawn. "What if they are no better than us." What if creatures that pursued sub creation through hideous experiments on themselves using stolen technology to create their own hubristic vision are no better, indeed, but there is a chance of self awareness. "So long as they are no worse" and who said that? That gives the future a chance and after all David was aware of the great achievements of mankind the works of Michelangelo and Pietro della Francesca both of whom provided him with a sign post to his future. He knew were he might go ... given the chance.     

This is an update I've been waiting for. Thank you for sharing ignorantGuy and you're right...it did brighten me up. Great stuff.

Excellent!!!

Thank you so much hox and BigDave for the analysis.

Agreed...the movie isn't meant to be a sermon but the religious overtones are recognized throughout the film.

"Ridley Scott may be a Atheist but he does use Religious undertones in his Movies, the Hands Up is really just them Embracing their Sacrifice and so it does likely connect to the Cruciform Pose that people associate with Christ."

Excellent. It seems to me that Ridley Scott uses the undertones a la carte by choosing them to convey a concept rather than to evangelize.

"Indeed. Remember also that Holloway also made the same gesture as he gave up his life to Vickers' flame gun."

Great reference.  Dr. Holloway stated he wanted to refute all religion, see below.

Certainly....

Back in 2012 i had been drawn to a Theory about the Mural which in a Nutshell was the Engineers had been infected with something that Gave Birth to a Precursor to the Deacon they then either Sacrificed This Organism, or Experimented with it to Create a Hybrid and then Sacrificed it..   By Sacrifice they used the Sacrificial Goo to then make the Cocktail/Soup that would Genetically Evolve Life to take on Traits of the Organism in the MURAL.

A Theory that to me when considering the Bowl/Cup instead of the Crystal (from Trailer and has Originally planned) then my Theory made sense....  Months after we saw the Leak of Jon Spaights Alien Engineers which when we look at its Equivalent of the Goo, this appeared to be EXACTLY as i interpreted.

But then some Fans think the Mural is just to show the Engineers Worship this Organism and tried to Re-Create it and some even suggesting this was their GOD.

I think the Space Jockey has been something that Various Fans have different Opinions on, there are some who INDEED see the Space Jockey as a SKELETON of Sorts...  But the Concept for the Space Jockey was intended as a Suit or at least it was Bio-Mechanical like the Xenomorph... 

When i First Saw the Space Jockey it looked like a Skeleton, years latter i felt the same too, i had then seen the Concept in a Magazine by HR Giger and i was drawn to it being more a Exo-Skeleton, like the Xenomorph that connected to the Chair.   It was only since the Advent of DVD and Internet in most Homes, that it allowed me to Study and Conclude this was NO Skeleton.

I dont want to derail the Topic to the Space Jockey, but Concept Work by HR Giger did show Bald Humanoids in Similar Suits... So the intention was a Space Suit, and this is what Ridley Scott saw it as.  Closer Inspection of the Space Jockey reveals its not really a Skeleton, well not what a Skeleton should look like, if we look close.

But i certainly can Agree the Engineers may come across as Disappointing for the Space Jockey Race... there are a number of Flaws to make them fit with the Prometheus Guys... but these could be just OVERSIGHT.

*Slight Aesthetic Difference.

*Slight Different Proportions

*Size Difference (13ft* VS 8ft*)  * Aprox

But i think the Biggest Flaw comes from the Color... the Dead Engineer Suits maintained a Grey Color even though not as Glossy as New but after Thousands of Years they had NOT turned to a Bone-Like Shade.

I think also the Revelation of our Engineers and how they appeared in Alien Covenant has made some Fans feel they are just NOT really Alien Enough... that is compared to what Many would have maybe thought the Space Jockey would be.

Space Jockey Skeleton?  Nope.. you got think HOW would they look with Flesh Etc, considering the Bone Structure and it could look ODD.

Space Jockey Engineer?  Likely... but i think this would Disappoint and Fans not be happy at the differences being just a Oversight.

so i am up for the Revelation of another Species... one that would be about 12ft Tall then its a case of they are either a Race in a Space Suit (but make them Much Less Human) or they are a Totally Bio-Mechanical Being/Organism like the Xenomorph.

But its then HOW do you account for the Color and Degradation of the Space Jockey, surely ONLY a reveal that its been there for Many Thousands of Years..  like maybe Tens of Thousands or more would Fix This?

But we would Face the Same Problem with the Prequels anyway, as far as IF the Derelict/Space Jockey are NOT on LV-426 as of 18 years prior to ALIEN.  The Space Jockey looks like its been there for more than 18 years Unless its some kind of Skeleton you may think?

I think the Prequels have gone to a Place that is less ALIEN and less HR Giger Bio-Mechanical.... so i think we could do with going back to that Aesthetic and introduce another Layer to the Cake.

"if the Space Jockeys turned out to be a completely different ancient race, perhaps the precursors to the Engineers"

In a NUTSHELL.... i think this is the way to go ;)

But i think RS may have had a Different Curve-ball Precursor to the Engineers, one that may Upset Fans further.

Indeed. Remember also that Holloway also made the same gesture as he gave up his life to Vickers' flame gun.

Likewise the alien mural in the 'just another tomb' room also bore more than a passing resemblance to the crucifixion.

What I choose to believe is that the Space Jockey is not an Engineer - or David - or anything like that. In Alien, the fossilised dead pilot clearly had bones that were bent outwards. The pilot in Prometheus was nothing like this. Some fancy eco-suit that snapped into place.

Personally, I believe it would be much more fitting (and leading to endless other possibilities) if the Space Jockeys turned out to be a completely different ancient race, perhaps the precursors to the Engineers. The Engineers are clearly a religious lot, big on iconography. Maybe they dress up in funny suits as some kind of homage to the Space Jockey creatures...

In a recent interview for AVClub Tom Skerritt praises Ridley Scott for making Alien the "cinematic juncture" that it is:

"The A.V. Club: Your career was already decades-long by that point. What about Alien made you know that it was going to be the cinematic juncture that it is? 

TS: Ridley Scott. I was given the script, and I read it, and $2 million was the budget. They had no director or anything else, and I looked at it and I thought, “Well, it’s solid, but this budget…” I thought maybe it would do well, jokingly, but I couldn’t really wrap my head around this thing for $2 million. What I did like was that there was a woman—a strong woman that rises and does that with a lot of chutzpah.

I liked that idea. I’d done Turning Point, which was about all these difficulties that women had, how strong they are, and so that’s what I liked about it. But I thought, “Ah, I don’t know. I have to think about this.” But it happened that a few weeks before, I’d seen The Duelists, that Ridley had directed. I only remembered his name because I thought, “Whoever this guy is”—and I’m told it’s his first movie—“this is unusually competent filmmaking.” And a few weeks after, they called me up and said that Ridley Scott was going to direct it. So now it’s a $10 million budget and Ridley Scott’s going to do it. I said, “I’m in.”

Regarding this Link https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/first-life-with-alien-dna-created-in-lab/?redirect=1

This is Very Interesting, and the Engineers could have Created the Black Goo by similar, well in that its something they had Created as a Genetic Manipulation Tool..... or some other Species had Created this via similar means and the Engineers just STOLE it.

That Link is interesting because it does Raise some Potential Problems we could FACE if we play GOD, messing about with such Things could Potentially lead to the DOWNFALL of Mankind..

The other Potential to lead to that would be AI, Once a AI becomes Sentient and Rebels.... can you imagine such Experiments like that Link covers, and then these get into the HANDS of a Rogue AI Synthetic?

We have a David Scenario then..... and this is what the Prequels are showing us... the Engineers Hubris in Creating us and then Failing to Destroy us had lead to us Creating David who is then Free to use the Engineers Bio-logical Creation/Evolutionary Tool to Destroy the Engineers and then Weaponize it to Create a Horrific Organism.  That could then wipe out Mankind and the Engineers.

Oh the other Potential Downfall for Mankind.... Ourselves, our Ways, our Wars.....  which is likely why the Engineers abandoned us after the FAILED attempt to Destroy us...

They thought left to our own Devices, we would NEVER be able to Advance to reach the Stars and we would likely KILL ourselves off...  How Wrong was they!

I think to answer your last post would be easier First. We cant rule out the Possibility of there being more Engineers on LV-223, we have to ask would that Engineer had still been in Cryo-sleep as of current Time-Line of 2105 (Alien Covenant) had the Prometheus Mission not Happened? The chances are YES.  We know David said there are MANY more Ships on LV-223 and so to me thats not a case of 2-3 More.

So we cant rule out any more Engineers on LV-223

But as far as these Engineers Awakening and then trying to Pursue Dr Shaw and David this simply can not be, and that is because we first have to ASK how would they know that David and Dr Shaw had taken a Ship, i guess they could Discover some kind of Flight Log of Ships that leave.

Regardless we next have to consider The Crossing and Dr Shaw's Hair Growth indicated that she had spent 6-10 Months on that Juggernaught before she decided to Re-Attach Davids Head.   Then Finally David was on Planet 4 for nearly 10 Years, a Engineer Ship on Intercept Course from LV-223 would arrive about the Same Number of Weeks as they had awoken compared to when David and Dr Shaw left for Planet 4.

By that if say David and Dr Shaw Finally leave for Planet 4 in say September 2094, and the Engineers awaken in November 2094 and then Discover a Ship has left for Planet 4, then the Engineers would arrive at Planet 4 some TWO Months after David arrived.

I know some Fans would have liked to had seen Dr Shaw had interacted with some Engineers, but the Alien Covenant Plot did-not allow for this... she DIED and thats kind of that......  However that does-not mean that she NEVER had some Interaction with a Engineer

We know David had lied about her Death... she DID-NOT get Killed during the Crash of the Juggernaught.  So she was Alive for a Period of Time we just dont know HOW LONG.... and its Unlikely that David just Killed her for Nothing.  So she could have been TOLD that the Planet is Infected by Accident and so Dr Shaw has to stay on the Juggernaught..... eventually she may get suspicious for some reason, such as if David talks and gets Excited about some Life he Discovered... so she could then take the Risk to Sneak Out and then Arrive at the Cathedral and then Stumble upon what David was doing, such as Experiments on Surviving Female Engineers and Infants..

So she could maybe have tried to help them Escape... in which we have to ask what David would make of this... he could offer a Explanation, which Dr Shaw would not accept and then likely their Relationship had Turned Sour at this Point/Revelation.. so he feels Betrayed and decides to USE her for his Experiments as he was NOT quite getting the Desired Results with a Engineer.

This may have gone OFF-TOPIC... but to a degree it keeps with the OT, because we are trying to Wonder HOW can David create Thousands of Eggs.... and so if we go back to his Experiments its likely he Created some Eggs from a Female Engineers Egg Cells, but he only really got a more Successful Organism via using Dr Shaw's Egg Cells.

Looking at HOW the Black Goo seemed to work, well if you can Program it to ACT like the Sacrificial Goo, then all David would need is some of that GOO and those Face Hugger Embryos to break down their DNA into a Mutagen that passes on Xenomorph Traits, and use this on Human Egg Cells to maybe Create more Eggs.

You see David had got to a Certain Point with his Experiments with the Female Engineers, we have to Consider at WHAT extent had his Experiments Reached at this Point, to what more work was needed to get to those Eggs Obtained by using Dr Shaw.   If this was a case of just apply the same Method used on Female Engineers to Dr Shaw, then as long as David has this Method he can simply apply it to any Female... Daniels for Example to then Create more Eggs.

Regarding the Black Goo Bombardment, it appeared these URNS had become Weaponized to Explode and then Seek Out Life and simply Replicate inside a Living Organism while then just Turning their Every Building Block to like Stone.

Different to what we saw in Prometheus.... the Neomorphs appeared from Spores that were Located near the Stream that Ran down the Mountain the Juggernaught had Crashed upon, its likely that Mold/Algae etc formed near the Source of Water where Fungi could grow and these got Infected by a Urn or Few that had NOT been Weaponized/Activate by the Ship but simply just Leaked or Broke Open and so the effects are similar to what Prometheus had shown.

Regarding LV-223 then YES it would be ideal to a degree to had GONE there and use the Place to Experiment... and Mass Produce Xenomorphs...   but the Problem is the Advent Message... because the Company knows, and surely would investigate LV-223 which means it does-not leave David as much time to Mass Produce Eggs compared to carrying on to Origae-6 but then where does he get Black Goo?  Maybe he has some left on Planet 4 and Recovers some.

We have to Remember Once David is in Control of the Ship he could head back to Planet 4. Or he could have had time to Grab a Ampoule while he also had got the Face Hugger Embryos?

Regarding the Planet 4 Engineers and Paradise i have a theory on that, and one that TURNS the Purpose of the Juggernauts around.... in that they are NOT ships of WAR but Seeding Ships.  But thats a whole Different Debate, that is better Discussed in another Topic ;)

I will say looking at the Themes of Prometheus and what AC has shown and RS comments about AI and the Planet 4 Engineers being Originals...  Then the LV-223 Engineers are likely either a Sub-Created Version of those Engineers used as Servants... think the Engineers version of Replicants... or they are  a Group of Engineers who took to Engineering themselves to become Superior/Evolved.

Another new old route:

Alien awakening...

The engineers fleet, dorment in the soil of the planet lv-223, violently awakens due to the Prometheus events. They start a pursuit of the engineer ship, with Elizabeth Shaw on board.

Another new old route:

Alien awakening..

The engineers fleet, dorment in the soil of the planet lv-223, violently awakens due to the Prometheus events. They start a pursuit of the engineer ship, with Elizabeth Shaw on board.

I was so disappointed with the engineers of planet 4. For me, that engineers are not the descendants of the "One", the immortal and planet 4 is not the Lost paradise. It's like earth to the goa'ulds, if we think in the Stargate series.

Ridley Scott says that the engineers are the gardners of the universe. Yeah, i agree if they are seeding a planet with a new specie, but they are also destroyers of civilizations, of worlds, because it's in their nature playing God. The black goo is a killing animal Cell virus.

David knows how to spread a deadly infection in a planet, atomizing in the atmosphere the black goo, that consumes all the meat of the living beings. the engineers are destroyers and simultaniously seeders of life. From the ashes of the bodies, a new infectious and contagious life is Lurking an oportunity to see the light of birth. It ONLY needs a plenty Number of hosts.

I'm saying This, because David can use Neomorphs to achieve his goals of universe domination, while he perfects the mass production of Xenomorphs, in vitro or with a Queen.

The means that he needs to do it are the problem. Instead of going to Origae-6, David should return to lv-223. He has lots of engineers space ships and an infinite source of black goo inside of them.

Maybe, every ship has an engineer sleeping in its cryo chamber and David could use their  DNA to conduce more experiments and thus perfect the cycle of creation of the xenomorph and the xenomorph itself.

Regarding those LINKS....

There is a Nice Amount of Effort in this ONE.

Its a case of what to consider CANON... the Fire and Stone Comics etc i would not be ready to Consider as Canon, the Alien Covenant Origins Book is Considered Canon.

The ONE to pay attention to is the Alien Covenant Novelization as this does differ from the Movie.  it does add some Elements that were Rumored to have at some point been intended (Neomorph vs Xenomorph) but if differs in a number of things..

Such as David sneaking on Eggs and not Face Huggers, which makes more sense to me i guess. (Eggs).

The Big Question is regarding the Xenomorph Egg, which the Novel indicates that David had Found it as it was... HENCE we see David had NOT created the Original.

This HOWEVER.. is not indicated in the Movie and RS has mentioned that the Xenomorph is Davids' Creation.

I find it FLAWED in HOW it would be that David Discovered the Egg as it were...  WHY does he go through all those Experiments and Cross Hybridization if he has a Xenomorph Egg, he could just Replicate this via Black Goo.

David's Notes offer some insight to the Creation of the Xenomorph and seem to indicate it was a Engineered Creation from the Neomorph and then mixing its Traits with Various Life-Forms to Create the Perfect Hybrid... the Xenomorph.

I am not trying to make this Topic into a David Did-Not Create the Xenomorph Thread as we recently had ONE of those...

What i am suggesting is that THINGS are Subject to Change, and so they could give us a indication that David had OBTAINED  Xenomorph Egg.

I just dont think its something the Engineers would have Lying Around on their Home-world, they surely are NOT that STUPID?

So if they GO for this route/change then they have to come up with another PLACE that David had obtained a Xenomorph Egg from...   Do we ASSUME that after Dr Shaw was placed into Cryo-Sleep that David just went to Planet 4?  He was NOW Free to do what ever he wants and so he could have gone to LV-223 or LV-426 and maybe obtained a Egg?

This i feel is WISHFUL thinking....

IF they did go for the David Found a Egg route, then what they need to do is have David be shown that HIS variant is SUPERIOR or becomes Superior, maybe Controlled.. Maybe introduce a Reproduction Method thats more Superior a Modified Egg Morph maybe like i mentioned in the Post Prior.

So Davids Xenomorph can Egg Morph, they can Regenerate even if its a case of from the DEAD Xenomorph we get Eggs Appear.... and David is able to CONTROL them...

Then this would be a route that maybe RS would not mind... i dont think Fans can have their CAKE and EAT IT!

By that showing that David just Creates a Cheap Knock Off would not be something i feel RS would be happy with but would make some Fans Happy.

Having David Create a Superior Version, with a different Procreation, and that can be Controlled would FIT more with the Themes at Play.... pursuit of Perfection.

Then we can go about HOW these can be Mass-Produced in a Different Way and NOT have to go to LV-426/223.

By having Davids Xenomorph be more Superior and Controllable would Certainly Give Good Reason for the Company to Pursue the Derelict to attempt to Replicate Davids Creation..

Because ULTIMATELY by the Time we get to ALIEN we have to be shown that Davids Creation is NO LONGER available at least as far as within the Reach of Humanity in the Alien Franchise.

I think such a Route was unlikely... it is more likely that David created the Xenomorph, which has some Evolving and Ends Up on the Derelict and these Elements would have been shown Certainly in a AC3 if you would.

But things could be Subject to Change again... certainly to Please Fans, because if the Fans are Happy they would go and Pay $$$ to see more Movies and Disney wants to make $$$$$

I think as i said prior its Tricky in how we introduce things as we need to bare in mind the Alien Franchise.

In ALIENS it was claimed the Company had NEVER encountered anything like what Ripley was saying in many Surveyed Worlds, but there is always the Cover-Up and Conspiracy Element that can account for that.

We still need to ask WHY bother with LV-426 after ALIEN and in deed maybe WHY-NOT have gone back between ALIEN and ALIENS, then we have WHY pursue Ripley in Alien 3

A World that has become Totally Over-ran by Xenomorphs could maybe give us a Answer, and so while on ONE hand a Death Star/Planet of Xenomorphs would surely be something they cant MISS and plentiful Species to Obtain. On the other HAND... such a Place would HOLD a far GREATER Risk.

Do you attempt to obtain Xenomorphs from a Infested World, or from a Isolated Downed Ship?

The same applies with Alien 3, WHY go after Ripley if the Derelict is still there?  The Logical Answer would be that going after a SINGLE Organism, and one that is a QUEEN is less Risky than going back to the Derelict.

The Interesting thing to PONDER would be HOW does any World become so Infested?

The Alien DC Egg Morph route would indicate that for a World to have say 100 Eggs a Xenomorph (or group) would have to Egg Morph 100 Hosts and so you need suitable Organisms to Act as a Egg Morph Host.

The QUEEN route would be a easier way to have a World become infested by Thousands of Eggs, especially if we are talking Multiple Queens/Nests/Hives.

We DONT know what route RS would have gone with the Prequels.  David had said he has yet to PERFECT his Queen, which some could mean we are going to see the Queen, but maybe we need to not READ too much Literally into that.

If he requires a Human either Adult or Embryo to Obtain a Egg then in reality you would ASSUME that Origae-6 would only have about 3000 or so Eggs due to the Number of Colonist/Embryos.

One thing that is OVERLOOKED could be HOW it is that David had Obtained those Eggs he had on Planet 4, its indicated he Created them and Dr Shaw played a LARGE role in that.

a Simple Way to look at this would be Prometheus and to look at the Deacon, we see its likely that the Trilobite came about via the Black Goo (or Infected Sperm) had Infected one of Dr Shaws Ineffective Egg Cells.

Lets say David had contained Dr Shaw and did a C-Section and placed the Trilobite into some kind of Stasis/Container, then ONCE we have Dr Shaw Healed up, he could Repeat the Process Over and Over...

He could even just take her Egg Cells and Test Tube Grow them and Infect them.....

Alien Covenant seems to indicate that David had used Dr Shaws Reproductive System to Create the Eggs, and so he could simply Repeat the Process with Multiple Females.

And so Similar to what these Concepts appear to SHOW.

Another idea that could be applied is the following.

A Cabbage in effect Clones itself from Dead Material of another Cabbage, so a Cabbage could be CUT up into pieces and under the right circumstances a NEW Cabbage would grow from the Decomposing Material.

In effect it would be like Cutting off some Fingers and then watch them become a CLONE of yourself... i had mentioned this Theory a Few Years back on here.

Ridley Scott had claimed the Xenomorph can Regenerate, and that the One Killed by the CLAW would have Regenerated, this sounds a BIT Silly!  But its apparently a idea that RS had...

However what if instead we have a Xenomorph that is KILLED or Dies Off, will eventually Decompose and from this Matter we see a Egg Sprout or maybe Multiple Eggs appear from the Remains of a DEAD Xenomorph.

This would in effect make them similar to the CABBAGE.

We have NOT seen the Egg Morph apart from the DC Cut of ALIEN, you can be sure RS did like the Concept, and so we cant rule it being something that would be EXPLORED.

But it could be DONE in a different way to ALIEN DC

So we could see a Host is Infected and becomes a Blob of Mutated Matter, where Growing from this are a Number of Small Eggs.... these Eggs then Grow...

They at the Small Size could be HARVESTED and Planted elsewhere if you would.

We see Small Eggs in this SHOT and we can assume the Face Hugger Embryos had been Obtained from Smaller Eggs.

If David could Create the Eggs by Infecting Human Egg Cells and Store them in some way to allow them to Grow as shown in some of the Concept for Alien Paradise Lost above.

And we are introduced to a Egg Morph were a Host Decomposes into a MASS that has Multiple Eggs Growing from them, and we are shown a DEAD Xenomorph also becomes a MASS that Multiple Eggs Grow from, then THESE would surely be a way that a World can be INFESTED by Thousands and Thousands of EGGS!

These Methods would show that its NOT necessary for a Queen, but then it could also add another layer of Procreation to just a Queen.

I have a Sneaky Suspicion that RS may have intended similar to what i Proposed, certainly something i had discussed a number of times on HERE and i think it would Work Well ;)

Origae-6 could be like death star of star wars, but with Xenomorphs. The plan of David's universe domination starts now!  :)

Regarding the ALIEN looking World...

Indeed RS had intended to take us to something like this HAD he been able to make ALIEN 2,  i dont think we could rule out seeing Origae-6 turned into something like this, but i think its a case of NOT trying to conflict the ALIEN Franchise.

By that there are a number of Avenues at Present that get us to ask the Following....

WHY does the Company Pursue the Xenomorph via LV-426, certainly regarding the Plot revelations from ALIENS on wards, we have to ask WHY, if there are other Avenues of Xenomorph or similar for Example,  LV-223, Planet 4 and likely Origae-6

But these Avenues open up a Possibility to Explore a NEW Movie, but the Conclusion of such Avenues should be that these places NO-LONGER Yield anything and thus leaving ONLY the Derelict as the way to obtain the Specimen/Organism.

Another BIG Question is to ASK... WHY does the Derelict end up on LV-426, is it just a Coincidence that the Ship leaves say Origae-6 on the way to Earth and just happens to pass by LV-426?

So IF we continue with the PLOT that as of the year 2105 (Alien Covenant) there are NO Eggs or Derelict on LV-426, then its likely a Engineer Ship with those Eggs or similar does go to LV-223 where it either is heading to LV-223 or leaves LV-223 before the Space Jockey Event.

If the Engineers take David's Creation to LV-223 to Evolve and Mass Produce... then this would open up the Possibility that the Derelict is NOT the ONLY Ship to be loaded up... so this could lead us to another Ship leaving that Goes to some World and Unleashes the Xenomorph which we could arrive at this World as Part of a NEW Movie.

@Gavin

Sorry if i was miss-understood, my reply was simply to Discus the OT in regards to HOW we could see David Mass Produce Xenomorphs, i certainly Dont think it would be a Good Idea to reveal David as the Space Jockey, i think its something we CANT rule out, but again it would make the whole Enigma of the Scene from ALIEN even less ALIEN.

I think there is a lot of Wishful Thinking about David being shown to NOT be the Creator and Fans can Cherry Pick certain things to Highlight the Case that he is NOT.  However Ridley Scott suggested that he does indeed create the Xenomorph, but things could be subject to Change, Fan Pressure can have a Impact to SWAY the Plot as this is HOW we got Alien Covenant in the First Place.

Back to the OT, and indeed its Pretty Convenient that the Covenant has Thousands of Good Souls... Maybe its not so much Lazy/Easy Plot but could be used as a Red Herring?  Certainly seems SET-UP that Davids objective would be to MASS Produce his Creation.

When looking at the PLAN, it appears RS is going for a Direct Route to the Back End of ALIEN, so we will at the Conclusion Discover HOW/WHEN and WHY those Eggs end up on the Derelict but who knows how SPOON-FED this would be as it could be Loosely Implied.

I think therefor we was on a Direct Route to ALIEN, events of the AC Sequel will lead to and play part in the Chain of Events to when we Arrive at the Cargo of Eggs on the Derelict.  The thing to take NOTE of however is that RS had implied the NEXT Movie would NOT connect Directly, in that we are at least TWO Movies away from reaching the Conclusion that is the Space Jockey Event.

It seems implied that we are off to Origae-6 but we would Conclude with being in the System of LV-223/426 and so while David has to Produce more Eggs we are MISSING a Engineer Ship and it would be even more of a Convenient Coincidence if Origae-6 has a Engineer Ship.

I think the arrival of the Engineers as stated by RS will be the avenue to OBTAIN the Derelict, and so its NOT by any means Set-in-Stone that the Space Jockey would be David or a Human, it makes more sense for it to be a Engineer, a Race above the Engineers or another Creation of the Engineers or even a Creation of Davids.

You could expect the Engineers to be Curious of Davids Xenomorph and try and Obtain them... i think something like this gives us the LIKELY route to the Space Jockey Event...  But who knows what they have planned, i dont think we can RULE-OUT a Carter Burke kind of Character, tries to take the Ship to Earth lol

I think when talking about the OT, and so to discus how we get from TWO Face Huggers to Thousands of Eggs, i think that maybe another U-Turn as in to show that David does-not Create the Xenomorph would be giving in to Fan Pressure, they need to stick with what they have done and Evolve the Story.

So while some would like the Engineers to Return with a Ship and UNLEASH a Xenomorph Queen which by Virtue would IMPLY that David had NOT created the Xenomorph, i dont think such a route would be wise, certainly something i cant see RS doing.

However they DONT have to go all the Way with David as the Creator....  its Damage Control now and so maybe we need to look at WHY the Engineers had Murals to something on LV-223 and would Experiment with stuff like that, instead of just using Black Goo Payloads.... if some Engineers took a Keen Interest and Devotion to the Deacon, they could see David's Creation as a Superior One but one that is NOT yet Perfect and thus the Engineers or another Race could be used to take Davids Xenomorph and EVOLVE it to get to the Cargo on the Derelict.

Saying that though a lot of things seem Conveniently Positioned by Virtue of the No-Longer Ancient Xenomorph Plot, and as ignorantGuy had indicated we cant OVERLOOK the Biological Aesthetic of the Xenomorph in Alien Covenant that RS had said has still some Evolving to do.... and so we cant rule out a Walter-Morph to become what we know as our Xenomorph from ALIEN.

@Gavin, like it or not, David being the Space Jockey was probably the route they would have gone because:

1. With covenant only David is Fassbender are important. Now that is a bright decision as with Dark Phoenix's flop, MF seems long streak seems not to end so why would Disney even bet on him?

2. The Alien is not yet finished, meaning he needs a synth host to acquire the rest of it's characteristics.

3. RS said that the next one will lead straight into the first one, so the silo is highly likely not to be a vague cameo. RS is usually not very subtle, sorry.

4. Was the twist in Covenant subtle? Why not look at history instead of what one wishes?

@ BigDave,

I seriously doubt that David will be revealed to be the "Space Jockey", and that the thousands of colonists will become the thousand's of eggs. Not only would this be the laziest writing since Alien: Resurrection, it would destroy the alien-ness and mystery of the Derelict and its origins.

When it comes to the Derelict on LV-426, IMO I think that it will just make a cinematic appearance in the third prequels closing moments (or a post-credit scene), with some ambiguous reference towards during the movie, may as the "Lost Ark" or the "Tomb of the Fallen".

The same goes for LV-223. In all honesty, I expect that the moon will not feature, with a reference or inference at most.

As for Origae-6, I think what setaverde has speculated will be part of what we will see - that David will establish a facility on the planet using the Covenants colony modules, in which he will use his two Facehuggers to mass produce his version of the Xenomorph. Visually I expect this facility, in its prime, would have been reminiscent of similar facilities seen in Doom 3 and various Alien comic-book/video-game concept art.

However, I recall there being mention that Ridley also wanted to see the Alien homeworld, or something visually similar. This is what I expect will become of Origae 6 - a Xenomorph infested facility surrounded by a bio-mechanical of growths, tunnels and bulbous "hives".

As for David needing to Black Goo for his mass production, I think that the substance will be revealed to be part of the Xenomorphs physiology, similar maybe to the "Royal Jelly" from the Dark Horse comic and thus revealing that David's alleged creation is just a recreation of what the ENgineers discovered thousands of years beforehand on LV-426.

"TOO little about Alien, a bit TOO disconnected from the story started in Alien"

That certainly seems to be a Opinion a number have, its certainly ONE of the reasons we got Alien Covenant (to have more Alieny Elements and Origins Answered).

Another point raised is also Valid... Prometheus was a bit too much OPEN ENDED and Ambiguous.

The Intention was to give Subtle Clues that those Engineers and that Place (LV-223) are Connected to ALIEN and the Derelict, these clues were just TOO Faint for most to even see any Real Connection.

The Lack of Xenomorph DNA which was only really shown via the Hammerpedes, the Trilobite/Deacon and shown via the MURAL were all a bit too LOOSE for Fans too, and the only Real Xenomorph like Attack Scenes could be the Hammerpede vs Milburn, and the Trilobite vs Engineer which leads to the Deacon... which some Fans may have been Disappointed we NEVER saw this Organism do anything but SNARL...

Plus where was any Connection to the Eggs/Derelict which some may have Expected!

The Movie Lacked these, and i think those who complained about such, and the Interest from Blomkamps Alien 5 had Forced FOX to conclude they need to give the Origins of the Xenomorph and Introduce the Beast back.

This could have been AVOIDED if they had gone back and Changed Prometheus a little.... Alien Engineers a prior Draft showed us TWO Kinds of Face Hugger and showed us THREE Kinds of Xenomorph well this is what we would have got had this Draft been made into the Movie.

Powers that Be.... had decided maybe we DONT have to give the Answers to ALIEN, maybe we dont need Xenomorphs, maybe their is a Bigger Picture and Avenue to go as far as the Engineers etc.

And they was CORRECT!

However in HINDSIGHT.... they should have used Prometheus as a BRIDGE to ALIEN and to Expand to something NEW, and therefore they should have had LESS Vague Clues, and they should have given us more Xenomorph Related Attacks.... as Toxic Avenger (Zombie) Fifield did-not cut the MUSTARD!

I attempted this with a Re-Write of Prometheus which i had 50% Completed and then LOST...  and i attempted to find the Balance by making Prometheus have about 20% of what Alien Engineers had... as far as Alien Encounters and Clues.

For Example....

Fifield was more Xenomorph Hybrid and eventually was Killed outside and had Acid Blood. (just as he was intended in Alien Engineers).

The Hammerpede had led to a Chest/Back Buster in Milburn the resulting Chest Buster does-not get Far before being Killed, but does Savage Ford's Face First.

The ONE Hammerpede is SHOT and we see inside there are TINY Eggs not too Dissimilar to those in ALIEN but a Little Different.

More Time spent on the Mural/Fresco.

More Time spent on the Chest Busted Cryo-Pods

A Brief shot of what was behind the MURAL Door (more Mural/Frescos, showing a Sacrificial Ritual a Number of Cryo-Pods and a Equal  Number of Smaller Tanks/Containers with Engineer Aesthetic.

Which all should have offered more Clues...

But again this would maybe NOT be ALIENY enough for some Fans, or offer Spoon Fed Clues to the Derelict.

The ONLY real way to had given them this would have been to Introduce More Alieny Scenes... Milburns Chest Buster escapes and Attacks more Crew as a Adult...  Maybe show the Deacon Attack too.  A Alternative Expanded version of my Re-Write was going to do both... VICKERS was not to be Killed by the Juggernaught.

I even Wondered if Vickers should be Killed by the Milburn-Morph and then either Show the Engineer KILL the Milburn-Morph or maybe the Deacon Kills it?

The ONLY other option for more ALIENY Movie would have been instead to make a SEQUEL that goes to LV-223 that is more like Alien Engineers and offers more Clues to what Ridley Scott had said at the Time regarding the DERELICT.

Which was that the Derelict Event had happened within a Few Hundred Years of the LV-223 Outbreak 2000 years ago, the Derelict had left LV-223 but only got as FAR as LV-426 because the Pilot was infected with his Cargo (which had Evolved).

This was Ridley Scotts explanation and Intention, but something he felt that you NEVER had to show, but it is something that PROMETHEUS simply did-not provide enough clues to Conclude this Explanation.

If Prometheus was more ALIENY or it had a Sequel that went to LV-223 that was more ALIENY... then in either case they could have CLOSED THE DOOR to ALIEN and Dr Shaw and David could have gone off on a Odyssey that is NOT connected to ALIEN but could expand on what Prometheus had laid down.

But ALAS..... and we got Alien Covenant.

Back after some time away (like, the immediate months after the released of A:C).

ninXeno426, I just saw the movie, yesterday, all the way through for the first time.  I didn't ever see it in theaters, and when it was on TV I'd catch it at different parts. The lead up to Covenant actually got me interested in it as I'd kind of tuned out of the series after Alien 3 (I saw Resurrection and was deeply disappointed).

Anyway, I think Promethus as an idea works well in the Alien universe.  I'd have much rather the movies in the series would have been prequels than sequels, in fact.  I was always interested in the mysterious origins of these creatures.

I despie Covenant tying Prometheus to Alien more directly, I think Prometheus was a better movie, tonally.  The problem I see with the prequels is that Prometheus was maybe a bit TOO little about Alien, a bit TOO disconnected from the story started in Alien.  And because of that, if you're going to do three-movie prequel, the second was always doomed in that it was going to HAVE to be hamfisted in its execution to get you back to Alien.  I was also super disappointed in the focus on David as a god in Covenant.  It wiped away a lot of Prometheus, and the droids have never been of interest to me in these stories outside of supporting characters.

In short, Prometheus makes the most sense in this franchise, but perhaps the execution shouldn't have been so open-ended and maybe could have been a bit longer.  I feel the first 15-20 minutes of the movie were kind of wasted.  I didn't want nor need every question the movie left open answered, but perhaps a bit more explanation about what had happened on LV-223, more look into the philosophy and motivations of the Engineers, etc. could have been hashed out.  And if not in Prometheus than at least in Covenant, but it didn't happen there, either, because they essentially made David and Walter the center of that movie.  Everything just ended up so disconcordant.  Seeing Prometheus after Covenant brings down my opinion of Covenant even further.  :(

BTW, what even with general detail are we supposed to have guessed happened on LV-223 from the little we get from the holograms?  We are led to assume that the Prometheus crew set-off another mini meltdown by exposing the room with the urns to the atmosphere inside the Engineer base. But I'd assume when the base was up and running you had the occupants going in an out of rooms on an hourly basis.  So what are we supposed to assume set of the emergency that required the Engineers to flee?

I think its interesting to PONDER how we get to Thousands of Eggs on the Derelict if we are to Assume/Accept that David is the Architect in all of this.

It depends how we look at the Prequels and what Process is NEXT!

With only TWO Face Huggers we have to maybe assume the Following.

1) We will be shown them infect Hosts and Introduce the Egg Morph as a route to Turning the Colonist into Hosts.

2) We are introduced to a Queen from one of those Face Huggers but i think this would not be the ideal way to go, where (3) would be better.

3) Using either ONE of the Face Huggers to Experiment on, or Experiment from the Resulting Chest Buster, we see David is able to Engineer a Queen.  I think having some Black Goo could be a handy way to Engineer such.

4) David Experiments on the Face Huggers in some way where he can FUSE their DNA with the Embryos to either Create Hybrids/New Xenomorphs that Procreate via (1) or (2) or he Experiments with the Face Huggers DNA to somehow create more Eggs.  I think having some Black Goo could be a handy way to Engineer such.

Regarding the Covenant Ship i think maybe it could be ideal to conduct Experiments, a lot depends on the Lay-Out of the Ship and ability to SHUT-OFF and Quarantine Sections... which it appears the Ship has the ability to provide this.

The Ship appears to be Modular in Design, it seems like we have a Frame with Certain Sections that are VITAL to the Ship which include the Bridge/Control.  But the Individual Cabin/Quarters which i think are likely taken down to the Surface by the LANDER that Tennessee came to the Rescue in.  And so David could take these down and assemble them up into Small Test Labs, maybe Numerous Sites to help with Control/Containment.

You would think that IF it is that David only wants to Create Thousands of Xenomorphs then LV-223 for Experiments would be ideal, but this takes him closer to Earth and with the Advent, maybe leave him less time to Experiment/Create his HORDE.

So Provided he has some Black Goo then indeed setting up Labs on Origae-6 could be the way to go.

I can see some of the influence here Certainly.

The difference being the Spores are Infected with the Black Goo that use the Spores as a Procreative Method to Create the Neomorphs.

I found the Neomorph/Spores a interesting idea, something else to take note of as far as Influence is the CONCEPT work that was Unused for Prometheus Regarding the Deacon and Ultra-morph but also Dr Shaw's (Watson) Chest Buster.

Had they stuck to the Concept and Early Draft then Prometheus would have had as much Action Scenes as Alien Covenant and would have featured Organisms that are a lot like the NEOMORPH it was still interesting to see these Concepts Evolved and used for the Neomorph.

But back to the OT

There are some real Sinister things when you look at the World, especially as far as the Microbiological level, especially regarding Parasitic Organisms, of which Fungi are.

Ridley Scott may be a Atheist but he does use Religious undertones in his Movies, the Hands Up is really just them Embracing their Sacrifice and so it does likely connect to the Cruciform Pose that people associate with Christ.

In the Earlier Drafts for Prometheus the Sacrificial Engineer had taken this Cruciform Pose as he was being consumed by the Mutagen.

The Pose is used in Movies usually to depict Sacrifice, and its interesting that the MURAL has this Pose which some assume must indicate Worship/God... but forget the Reason for the Worship of Christ in the Cruciform Pose (Cross) is because it signifies his SACRIFICE which is the Greatest Deed that he had done for Mankind.

The Hands Up could also be seen as the Captain/Pilots Acknowledgement that they are about to meet their Maker.

I know this is an old thread...but damn Ali that is one of the craziest "theories" I have ever seen. For one, Ridley Scott is an Atheist. Seriously doubt he would toss a tribute to Jesus. The "Hands Up" command was to keep their hands away from the controls, so they didn't accidentally hit something that might jerk them off their direct collision course. 

I dont have Netflix, but  seems interesting, you can see influences from ALIEN as in the AI Name...  you can kind of see Similarities to what the Covenant Mission was about, if we considered or example that the Ship only had Embryos and Walter

So there indeed are some similarities to maybe what in PART we could had seen in Alien Covenants Sequel, Certainly in RS TV Show Raised by Wolves.

Having only seen the Plot i think its quite Predictable, we have a Robot that is Tasked with Raising a Child and informing the Child the World above is Destroyed, we then Discover this is NOT True, via the Woman who gains Access to the Underground Complex, we then see that Robots have began to Overtake the World.

The Girl would become Confused at this... who is telling the Truth, is her MOTHER different to those other Robots?  I would assume the Robot (Mother) informs her that she is TRYING to give Mankind a New Start and is tasked with Raising a New Humanity.

Mother will inform the Daughter she is NOT on the same side as the other ROBOTS and is trying to Save Humanity, but later she would have to make another Story Up...  Were i predict she would inform her Daughter that Mankind has become Corrupt and out of Control and Destroying the World and Each other, and so this Mankind has to be Destroyed and a New Dawn of Mankind Raised without the Corruption and Ways of previous Mankind.

We would then be led to this being the TRUTH... but then we get a Curve-Ball Sinister Twist that this New Mankind are to be raised as SLAVES to the ROBOTS who rule the World, but those Robots must First Eradicate Mankind from Above.

Could be wrong, but this is what the Trailer plus adding a bit of Intuition draws me too....   But then when i discussed quite some time ago about "What kind of World" Plot does RS mean/intend for AC2 i made some Intuitive Assumptions with that too...  only we may never KNOW if the real AC2 Plot would have been anything like i had been drawn to.

I am Mother certainly seems something Interesting to Check Out, i will have to Consider a Subscription at some point as The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance is something i would be interested in too ;)

@BigDave Go watch I am Mother on Netflix is more or less the thing you describe.

"Not even David, with his melagalomaniac ego, controls his actions. Untamed by nature, unpredictable to humans, beings with minds caged by the rules of their society. Mankind is no pair to a threat like the perfect organism."

I think potentially they could have shown us WHY the Company would Pursue the Xenomorph if they go a certain route with the Prequels.

The Xenomorph so FAR is a Unfinished Project, a Work in Progress, and RS had said before that the Xenomorph still has some Evolving to Go before we reach ALIEN.

Ridley Scott said the Movie would be more about AI.... and so we could maybe Wonder if down the Road we see David does Evolve his Xenomorphs, but maybe also he Creates another Race that maybe has some Traits that apply or could apply to the Xenomorph (Humanoids with a Hive Mind) for example.

We do see that David has some Control of the Xenomorph, maybe he could Control it Further as he Evolves it past the Feral Stages...    While on the other Hand he could Create a Humanoid Race that are Superior and have some kind of Hive Mind....  when these Rebel against David, he could Unleash the Xenomorph but instead the Xenomorph's that infect these Humanoids somehow Maintain the Hive-Mind link and are THUS controlled by his Creations (Humanoids) or Act Independently.

This may require David to then infect some Normal Humans to Produce Xenomorphs he could Control?

Surely the Engineers could take a Interest in David's Creations and WISH to Experiment on them and this is LIKELY how we would have got to LV-223 and then the Space Jockey/Derelict Event

If David has left notes or the Company Discover that David was able to CONTROL some of the Xenomorph's then it would give the COMPANY a Greater Reason to Pursue the Xenomorph as they could TRY and figure out HOW it is that David could Control them to a Degree.

The Franchise However shows us that they Failed to even Obtain and Control any...... Alien Resurrection they had came Close to Containing them but before any Experiments could Begin the Xenomorphs got LOOSE!

When we look at Blomkamps Ideas for his Alien 3 Reboot and some of the Concept Work released which includes Carlos Huante's then it seems to show a Company/Military has actually began to TRY and Control the Xenomorphs via various Experiments and Devices Attached/Connected to the Xenomorphs.

ULTIMATELY as you mention.... " Mankind is no pair to a threat like the perfect organism."

And so its a Futile Folly to attempt to Control the Beast.

It certainly looked like they had got quite far as far as what the Next Movie (Alien Awakening) would be about, during various Interviews/Press/Promotion Appearances between May-July 2017 we did hear Ridley Scott make a number of comments regarding the Next Movie.

He had said in some of them that they are WORKING on it right now (Script) and then he had also mentioned another time about its been Done and FINISHED, so there was quite a bit of Contradiction, but it likely meant as of the Run Up to the Release of Alien Covenant that had the Plot/Story for the Sequel Underway and that after the Release of AC that must have COMPLETED at least ONE Draft.

But we have to remember its RARE that a Single Draft would get the Go Ahead and so they was likely working on Re-Writes too at this Time.

At a latter point Emma Watts had came out and said that there is a Future for the Alien Franchise as she said its about FINDING the Right Story.

so it could be likely that the STORY for a AC2 was something that the Producers and Company Executives had not been 100% Pleased with and then with the Take Over Talks, things got put on HOLD.

So its likely that Ridley Scott and his Team had a Idea where they want to take the Next Prequel, but it could be that after the Project had been put on HOLD due to Take Over Talks, that its NOW a case of if those at Disney are interested in the Direction/Plot that RS had intended at the time of Alien Covenants Release?

"Great. Studio interference! Like that works really well!"

Certainly but as the ones who would be FUNDING the Project they are likely to look at what went WRONG with Alien Covenant, and take On-board some of the Criticism and even they can then make Mistakes on Assuming they know what would SELL.

Alien Covenant is Proof of that.. ;)

"Nobody is really free in This world. "

Thats a Good Point, indeed not very many do get 100% Freedom there is always someone in Control, some of us are more Lucky than others on where we Live.   Its a Good Point because it relates to what RS had said regarding Religion in that it has been something that had been used through History to Control and used to Make War and other Atrocities in the name of GOD/Religion.

So in context to the Franchise, then Religion would be seen as a Governing Set of Rules to get Mankind to Behave in Certain ways, which we Eventually started to Behave in ways that UPSET the Engineers.

The Covenant Mission was a attempt to start a NEW a FRESH start on a New Eden, to escape the Rotting Paradise or Earth and the Various Problems this World Faces...

The Plot for Raised by Wolves reads Very Similar, there are TWO Androids Tasked with setting up  a NEW Eden for Mankind by Raising Children (away from Influences that had lead to Conflict on Earth) but then some Incoming Humans come along with Various Religious Beliefs and NO doubt other Ideas/Ways of Life and its likely the ANDROIDS become Concerned on how these will PASS ON and Corrupt/Effect the New Paradise for a New Dawn of Mankind that they are trying to RAISE.

And Discover that this because a Difficult Task... as Knowledge can Corrupt Absolutely.

It seems pretty much similar to the Plot i Interpreted for Alien Covenant 2 and my ideas i then had for HOW this could pan out, when looking at RS comments and thinking so WHAT could this mean...

So i do feel that maybe Raised by Wolves could be using some of the Plot Ideas for Alien Awakening that are likely to NEVER make it into any Sequel to Alien Covenant should ONE see the Light of Day.

So INDEED i think its likely that IF they are working on a Sequel NOW or SOON then it could be likely a Number of Elements/Plots from the Ideas they had April-July 2017 would likely NOT make it and WHEN/IF we do get a Sequel it could be MUCH more about the Xenomorph!

Nobody is really free in This world. 

Freedom is a mirage. 

That's why i like the Xenomorph. Rules of society don't apply to him. He makes the rules. Not even David, with his melagalomaniac ego, controls his actions. Untamed by nature, unpredictable to humans, beings with minds caged by the rules of their society. Mankind is no pair to a threat like the perfect organism.

Oblivion is always on the Next corner, inflicted by a creation, an Unknown specie or self-inflicted. 

We are the end, our end.

Hope is despair.

Great. Studio interference! Like that works really well!

@hox, they have a draft that needs to be worked, or, according to the new management-Disney, they, Ridley Scott and Scott free productions, have to bring to the table a new draft with  a new story to be approved.

@hox, they have a draft that needs to be worked, or, according to the new management, they, Ridley Scott and Scott free productions, have to bring to the table a new draft with  a new story. 

I thought Ridley said the script for the next instalment had already been written, a couple of years ago?