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At the Moment the ONLY way that maybe this News could be True would maybe be IF the work was Green Lit just before of after ALIEN Day, as  Alien Day would have been a Ideal Marketing Opportunity.

As i have said before, if this is TRUE.... then i think by the Time Ridley Scott has even began Work, or Finished Work on Raised by Wolves, you should hear Ridley Scott Tease more about any ALIEN Project he is working on.

I still suspect this could be related to the Work they Began on/got as Far as around the Time of Alien Covenant's Release that the World Box Office and Take Over Talks had put on ICE!

I think as daliens had mentioned....

IF there was News, then Alien Day would have been a ideal time to Tease or at least Mention it, even if Disney just came clear and said we are in the Works on a ALIEN Movie.

This would Bump Up some interest, but then if its not clear then it would get FANS going Wild thinking we may be getting another ALIEN Movie and not another Prequel, but then such a Announcement would have allowed Disney to Gauge the Reaction which would help them to see if their is a Interest in a Alien Covenant Sequel, or if Fans want a Alien/Aliens Sequel.

Alien Day is Alien Day.... but a thing to remember is Alien Covenant is a ALIEN Prequel hence a Alien Movie.  But its a interesting remake to make Leto, because indeed it does show that it will be EXPECTED that a Alien Prequel should be a ALIEN Movie and not a David/Android Movie.

This is something that Disney have to take a LOOK at... they are NOT in the Business of taking Risks, they want to make Money $$$ and so if they Feel the more DAVID a Movie is the Less Fans may be Interested, then it really would a EFFECT the chances of us seeing a Ridley Scott inspired Continuation/Conclusion.

So there is a Predicament regarding the Prequels and HOW you carry on, because ULTIMATELY it will be Expected to Conclude with the Eggs on the Derelict. 

Its the Route and Answers to this, that would be something that Fans would NOT completely agree on.

WHY in the other Topic i Started the other Week, i proposed that maybe the NEXT Movie should be a more ALIEN Movie that is NOT a Direct Continuation of David's Journey or Ripleys (includes Amanda). 

Before doing such a Move they (Disney) would have to Decide the Origins of the Xenomorph, is it via David's Experiments even if he is NOT the Final Part of the Jigsaw, or had the Xenomorph been created Thousands of Years prior (unless some Tear in Space can account for a Derelict being sent back in time).

Because Depending on when the Xenomorph came into Existence, could affect the Avenues to Explore the Xenomorph.   By that a David Creator could limit LV-223, LV-426, Planet 4 and Origae-6 as the Avenues to introduce the Xenomorph again in a NONE Direct Alien Movie as far as does-not continue from David or Ripley.

Then again.. maybe NOT so... if Engineers come to take David's Creation or Evolve it and then take it... and they LOAD up Multiple Ships.... then the Derelict would be just ONE of the Ships..

So you could then have another Ship that either Successfully Deployed its Cargo to another WORLD the Engineers wanted to Rid of Life, or maybe another Accident and Crash Ship and Cargo takes Place?

Like i said any Movie they TRY and DO that avoids being a Prequel, they either have to KNOW how they intend the Origins of those Eggs to be so as to NOT step on the Toes of any Prequel, or Conflict them... or simply DONT bring up anything about the Origins.

Well, i have to confess. I AM a big Fan of 'Alien 3' and i love David Fincher filmography.

Ah ah ah @BigDave. Frodo and Sam on a Journey to discover the derelict, exploring the mountains and valleys of the planet Lv-426.  

Ps: i love Peter Jackson filmography and my choices are the worse.

"David has not got a taste of Creation"

I mean NOW lol  Typo! and i cant Edit my post

"I strongly hope that the scriptwriter will turn David's role from the current antagonist to a protagonist one."

In some way, maybe......

David has not got a taste of Creation, he has seen the Failures of Mankind and the Engineers, maybe he sees beyond them as a Failed Species, but looks at them as a Failed Creators/Leaders.

So maybe David now has a God Complex, but from Prometheus and the Crossing and some parts of Alien Covenant we get the Picture that David has been affected by how he was treated..  what he said (as Walter) to Daniels may be something to consider...  "if we are KIND it will be  KIND world"  he seemed to drawn to Dr Shaw a lot because she was KIND, as he said she showed him more Compassion than he ever had from Mr Weyland or any Human.   When we look at the Trailer Song Nature Boy we could see this FIT with David from Prometheus and the Crossing.    The Closing Lyrics...

"The greatest thing you'll ever learn, Is just to love and be loved in return"

I know some may look at David as a being with No Compassion or Love and a Good Point would be WHY would he had Killed Dr Shaw or Tried to Rape her... this is Ambiguous but its likely he had more than PLATONIC Love for her, which was not Reciprocated and lets say he NEVER took Rejection Well..  So he is Unstable thats for Sure.

David seemed to have a Wonder for his Child (Orams Chest Buster) he was upset and seemed to have Compassion for the Neomorph that Oram had KILLED... did this Influence our David to decide that Orams lack of Understanding or Compassion warrants the FATE that David had led him to?

David appeared to have a dislike for Mankind and the Engineers, in part because he sees the Wickedness in their Ways and Flaws, and how they treat their Creations.  There could be a lot of Depth behind his Actions... but maybe its just me Interpreting things Wrong?

So we can ASSUME that David will have ONE Agenda, that is MASS Produce his Xenomorphs using the Colonist and then maybe aim to use a Engineer Ship to deploy them (Faster) but if this was his Intention, then going to LV-223 and using another Juggernaught to Bombard Earth would be the BEST way about this and then from the Ashes..  continue to Create just as he did with Planet 4.

Ridley Scott claimed the NEXT Movie would be about AI, and "what kind of a World" it is that David would Create/Build and NOT about Xenomorphs.

So IF he is KIND then maybe it would be a Kind World... its those comments and the things i bring up in this Topic that lead me to come up with ideas for a Alien Covenant Sequel which i was to call Alien Ascension, which was kind of my Interpretation of what RS may do NEXT...

Months after i debated this... we had RS announce the Raised by Wolves TV Series, which some Elements of this are Pretty Much what my Alien Ascention covered, which was my Interpretation of what Ridley Scott could have meant by his comments.

So by that we could maybe WONDER... if David was to Create/Evolve his own Humanoids (Human Embryos) would he be a KIND Creator/God and Teach his Creation Well and about Certain things...

But then what Happens when Humans Turn Up, that then Reveal that David is a Creation Himself and what he has been Teaching his Creations about his Origins, and his Creations Origins is a LIE... what happens then?

Rebellion, Rejection?   We know how David deals with that... but then is this NOT how Gods Deal with it too?

So i think we could potentially give David a New ARC, have him as Kind and Compassionate with his New Creation, until it becomes Corrupt and the he has NO Choice in his Next Action.

And we can then see him Upset with Tears in his Eyes because of what he has been Forced to do. (like in the Bombardment Scene in AC).

But some could see those Tears as Crocodile Tears and that David is just a Mad as a Box of Frogs, Genocidal Maniac 

I think its going to be HARD to revisit David and Please every Fan and i think quite are lot are NOT so interested in him, even if we TRY and change his Character.

We are NOW doing a ALIEN Franchise Prequels, and it will be Expected to be about and Conclude with the ALIEN.

My post was a bit of a joke... but i do like Peter Jackson, i think some of the EPIC Movies with Large Sets, Visuals he has done very well.

I think as i said before it really depends on what the STORY is First, then its a case of which Directors would suit the PLOT/TYPE of Alien Movie that would be Produced.

I think BUDGET is another Factor, some Directors can work well with a Tight Budget, some are used to LARGE Budgets and so the Scope/Plot and Budget all have to be taken into Account when trying to figure out WHO would be the right man for the Job.

some Interesting Candidates Mentioned However (in this thread).

Ridley Scott, H.R.Giger, Sigourney Weaver, Tom Skerrit in 23-minute interview on Alien (1979)

https://youtu.be/RdL2mwruTqY

ALIEN in 30 seconds, re-enacted by bunnies

"Alias," Mad #212.

I don't think so. Alien Day is Alien Day.

I think if they had something in plan, not in the works already, they would have made the announcement on Alien Day.

James's New Girlfriend

Apparently the author of the article in Variety, Susan King, is not really up to date about the future of the franchise. Not sure if she watched the films, for her "the baby alien lifeform bursts from Kane’s stomach". That's why everybody calls it "chestburster", right, Susan?

So I don't think she knows something we don't know.

If the studio decides to extend the story of Alien Covenant, Michael Fassbender will have to play David again not only once but twice.

I strongly hope that the scriptwriter will turn David's role from the current antagonist to a protagonist one.

Most viewers consider David as a negative figure at this moment. The scriptwriter should put a spin on his character.

David may carry out several experiments with plants, animals or embryos during long journey to Origae-6. He should not harm any humans.

When the ship arrives he will wake up a the pioneer group and the main crew (20-30 people only) according to protocol. This pioneer group will do the preparations on the surface for landing the main ship on the planet.

He may be accused by Daniels but David will point out how he had saved her life, more than once.

We can expect an ugly confrontation between the humans and the engineers in Alien Awakening. The humans will be badly defeated at the end.

David tries to protect the humans unsuccessfully and he will punish the engineers for their deeds by infecting them with the result of his experiments.

David may be the sole survivor on Origae-6 and will continue to create life that transforms the flora and fauna of the planet.

At the end of the film the badly damaged Covenant either on orbit or crash-landed on the planet still has nearly 2000 colonists in stasis.

The Weyland corporation asks the support of another company to save the stranded colonists.

When I first saw the Sacrificial Engineer in Prometheus, I thought about Lord of the Rings. So, yeah, Peter Jackson - can make a good epic Prometheus-like story.

I have not READ most of the Expanded Novels which includes Alien: The Cold Forge

Looking at the Movies Alone, then indeed there seems a Related Parasitical Element  as we can see with the Neomorph Spores they release those Tiny Particles of the Parasitic Element.  When David examines the Ampoule we can see Tiny Particles.

The Franchise and Expanded Comics/Games etc seem to imply a Franchise Implants a Embryo... However in ALIEN the X-Ray we dont see this, they notice a like Shadow/Mist/Cloud and so this does add up to say similar to what we see with the Neomorph Spores, only its like the Facehugger replaces the Spore and Injects the Motes/Parasitic Particles/Pathogen.

So yeah we could Speculate that these then Combine/Clump up together and start to Fuse/Multiply while taking DNA/Traits from the Host to then Construct a Hybrid Organism that becomes the Embryo/Chest Buster etc.

Sadly i am not sure we would see a Return of David... maybe only as ....

A lot of Fans are not pleased about his Character... some Felt.

*He should not be the Focus of the Prequels and too much Screen Time is Devoted to him.

*He was responsible for KILLING our Engineers and Dr Shaw, but the Engineers could still Return.

*His Character Arc was not to everyone's taste and he seemed to be a Genocidal Megalomaniac

*He Created the Xenomorph to the Disbelieve and Dismay of most.

However... you could still CHANGE his Character a bit, maybe we have to Remember  "if we are KIND it will be a KIND world"

But if we only go by Alien Covenant and the Advent then it would just Paint a Picture of David only wanting to get to LV-223 and use the Place as a Test Facility to Turn those Colonist into Thousands of Eggs... until incoming Humans and Engineers Turn up!

I personally would NOT mind seeing him again, and i would not mind if the Next Time we dont get much about the Xenomorph, but this could be a Distraction as it will be expected to GET to the Xenomorph and Derelict and i cant see most Fans interested in SITTING through say 70% of a David movie or a WHOLE Movie before we get to the Xenomorphy Part.

Maybe Peter Jackson?

I think some would be interesting in more to the Engineers than just that,  i think having it be about just Mankind and the Xenomorph would be limiting what Potential Prometheus had opened up...  But i understand that some would not be interested in such a Expansion.

So in Context to ALIEN Franchise... yes Humans, Xenomorphs and Engineers, but i think you could have a expanded Franchise which has NO real Limits.

So you could expand it in many ways... we cant assume the Layers of the Creation Cake are.

And so we could have Layers Above, Below, Parallel Layers and then in some of these we could introduce something SINISTER.

Who Created the Engineers, who Taught them all their Knowledge and for what Purpose and where those beings Benevolent?

LOL nice work

"I think the world presented in Raised by Wolves will not have the deranged sex offender baggage to it"

Certainly what i mean is there was more to David than that, and it appears Ridley Scotts comments regarding the Sequel would be about AI and what World David would create.  That will NOT be about Xenomorphs.

Looking into his comments about AI he said that Replicants are AI and looking at how he claimed the Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals and looking at the Tale/Themes of Prometheus/Bladerunner.

Then looking at the Crossing Viral, and the Alien Covenant Trailer Song.  I was drawn to David having the Potential to be kind to a degree, depending how he felt treated.  And so i was drawn to think David may Evolve the Human Embryo's to become Evolved Humanoids which David would Raise and Govern over and who knows what kind of Creation Story and Rules he sets for them.

Then when another Human Ship comes in and then its what interaction between these Humanoids and Humans, and then what impact this has on Davids Children.

And so we see that Knowledge is a KEY thing... David was allowed more Free-will and Knowledge compared to Walter, Lucifer the same compared to the other Angels.   And its the Upbringing, Free-Will and Knowledge that Shaped Mankind to become what was against what the Engineers would have intended.

My Prometheus sequels ideas i had discussed on here about 2013-2014 had touched upon a similar Plot...  David and Dr Shaw would go to a World to Discover Engineers and HUMANS, these Humans brought up in ways that are not Corrupt as Mankind became....  then Dr Shaw interacts with these Humans and they learn of her Faith, and her Mission to Discover her Creator, and this Starts to Interest those Humans, and so the Engineers become Concerned and then aim to SILENCE Dr Shaw before she can Influence those other Humans.

This in part seems similar to the Raised by Wolves Plot, and in part its something i was drawn to maybe where RS was taking the Sequel (prior to Raise by Wolves Announcement).

Raised by Wolves seems to be about TWO Androids who are Raising Children on a Distant World, and have passed on certain Knowledge that Maintains a Certain Culture, then when incoming Humans with different Religious Beliefs turn up they Influence the Civilization those Androids are trying to Raise, and this has some Complications and maybe Confrontations.

I had pondered if Alien Covenant 2 would be similar, as in David is those Androids, and the Children are the Embryos which David will raise and Evolve...  Then things go to POT once Humans from Earth arrive.

Thats what i was drawn to from RS comments...

If we only go by the Advent and Alien Covenant, then you would be drawn to David just experimenting on those Humans and Embryos to get Thousands of Xenomorphs and then he needs a Ship thats by LV-426 so you assume he would take the Covenant to LV-223

So David continues his Agenda to Evolve/Mass Create his Xenomorphs and Unleash them on Humanity!  But his comments regarding the sequel seems to indicate to me that THIS is not the case.. NOT for the Next Movie... but certainly things will be very Xenomorph in the 4th Prequel.

That was not chicken.

Guillermo del Toro has a slightly similar style to Ridley Scott.

Film director, Guillermo del Toro, discusses his lifelong fascination with monsters (Link)

Archer Season 10 First Look Preview (Link)

This could be a long thread.

Soundtrack- main theme of the film "Relic", from 1997.

https://youtu.be/1kx8-dg4RNk

I think the Engineers are interesting only in their relation to humans / aliens creation.

They are not that interesting as a species and to make a film only about the Engineers ways of life would be like Rome on another planet. At least for Rome we can check some of the facts.

I think the Engineers contribution to the franchise is over. They created us and they failed at that. They wanted to destroy us and they failed at that too. They might have created the xenomorph but thay failed to prove it, so David took all the credit for himself.

For me it's equal if I see any Engineers in any future film or not. In the end they all have to dissapear along with any word about them.

For the people on earth they are no more than the mysterious giants found in various representations from antiquity. 

Keep it that way.

Dark Nebula you have quite a collection. 

I like the popcorn bath, the neomorphs seem to enjoy it like hell, the poisoning of 7up with a full ampoule of black goo, and the Wallace & Gromit / Alien crossover.

Soon...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKKsMHlX6j4&feature=youtu.be 

haha! Nice collection of images!

I love the Pred taking a dump in the facehugger egg XD

Very nice! Hanging upside down from a shower curtain-LOL! It would have been interesting to be hiding from a short distance and observing the posing and taking of the outdoor pics!

Great work!!!

Peter Hyams

https://m.imdb.com/list/ls012576860/