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I agree, BigDave, that it would be acceptable that the Derelict and the eggs made it. A return to LV-426 would be nostalgic for fans. I can picture a spaceship settling down on the windswept surface of LV-426, a ramp is lowered and out come people in space suits, and an excavator . . .
It would be fitting also if Scott concludes his saga and ends up on LV-426 with the fateful cargo . . .
Cameron himself addressed many of these complaints back in 1986. Alien theory agrees that we can have both egg morphing and and hive.
I agree Scott perhaps should have been involved to some degree, but as far as sequels go Aliens was definitely the best approach at the time. Camerons intentions were not to make the same film or even take baby steps but instead a whole new beast.
A couple months ago I posted a forum regarding whether Alien Isolation would have made a good film or not. I ultimately felt no it wouldn't have been. I bring this up because many Alien fans do feel it is the sequel Alien deserved all along. The issue with Isolation is while the plot works fine for an interactive experience, it follows so many basic beats from Alien that it would have fallen flat on film. It had special order 939,a crew lands on LV 426,discovers the derelict and space jockey etc. In the wrong hands this could have been the sequel we got,a ho hum retread that offered nothing new. Worth noting Alien 3 is often criticized for doing nothing new by imitating Alien.
I won't jump the gun and assume Disney have zero plans of any new Alien film over the next 8 years... BUT this is rather disappointing news.
Thanks for the heads up though, I got it front paged.
BigDave Yeah we talked about that. I think you coined the series as "Building Better Worlds."
In a short range of time, the easiest thing to do is 'Alien awakening', directed and produced by Ridley Scott, but unfortunatly i think that Will not happen. Ridley Scott understood that and have moved on to 'raised by wolves' TV show. Ridley Scott salvaged the ideas that he could from alien awakening film, not infringing intellectual property rights. His legacy is unquestionable, regarding Alien saga.
The best thing to do is to start from the scratch.
I hope that, with 'raised by wolves', Ridley Scott can give us some sort of closure about the events of Prometheus and alien covenant, stablishing a parallelism between raised by wolves and the alien prequel universe.
Maybe they could do Alternative Universe Movies?
A Weyland TV show or Movie released in 2023 with the Prometheus TED Talk as the Prologue?
Then we Cut to.... 20 Years Later....
I think its a case of the Franchise maybe being on HOLD!
Alien Day 2019 was the Ideal Place to TEASE plans for the Franchise but we have had No Indication apart from a continuation with Novels, Comics and Games.
It will be interesting to see how much Championing for another ALIEN movie will be made by James Cameron and Sigourney Weaver, it appears Blomkamp has maybe accepted its Unlikely at the Moment.
Regarding any TV Project we had those Rumors, and Alien Day would have been a ideal Marketing/Teaser Day.. but Nothing..
Once Production is in Full Swing, or Finished for Ridley Scotts show Raised by Wolves, i think maybe we could get some Clarity from RS as far as IF he is or is NOT working on any Alien Project, be that NOW, near Future or in Years to come.
I think its Unlikely we would get a Alien Covenant 2 that would be similar to what ever plans they had in 2017, it would seem unlikely we get NO such Production any time soon (12-24 Months) and its a matter of Time as far as WHEN can they cast a Fassbender to play a 35 Year Old Male looking Android?
Maybe 2026 we will get a ALIENS 2 (aka Blomkamp Alien 5) but then they would have to have it set in the year 2226? Certainly if Production began in 2024-2025 then they would have to have it set 40 years after ALIENS?
Who knows what CGI would be like in 2024-2025 though!
I watched ALIENS Special Edition last night, and maybe i have been a bit Harsh on ALIENS, in light to how reaction by some Fans in regards to Prometheus had led to them giving us the Mess that Alien Covenant has left us with.
Aliens as a Movie is a Good Action movie, i agree with RS that the Movie and other Action ones released since had gave us Queens and Xenomorphs over and over and over (includes other Media Forms) and that some CHANGE was needed.
Regarding the ALIEN sequel, we have to remember at the Time that RS had loads of Commitments and FOX wanted a Sequel done, and we had the Process that lead to ALIENS and we have to remember at this point Ridley Scott never had much Control over the Franchise, it was the Property of FOX and Hill & Giler had much more say it what to do NEXT.
Regarding the Costumes... i feel Every Movie was flawed in this regard... Prometheus with Zombie Fifield or Not Great CGI Fifield... Alien Covenant Effects had flaws, lets not talk about Alien 3... and ALIEN in some shots the Costume was not so Convincing...
I think looking back INDEED it would have been likely had ALIEN 2 been made then it would likely had taken a much more different route than ALIENS.. Ridley Scott seemed to be wanting to give us a ALIEN World that would have had HR Giger Aesthetic (Aliens had this were Necessary) a RS continuation would have No-Doubt gone to explore WHERE those Eggs Came from, and likely uncovered the Space Jockey and his Role in all of this.
It maybe would have turned to more of the Unused ideas from Starbeast and gave us HR Giger Inspired Worlds and Technology, Architecture.
But what happened had happened... its the same as some ALIENS Fans were really Bugged (no pun intended) by what Alien 3 had done with Hicks and Newt... and indeed what happened would likely had NOT been what would have happened IF we had Cameron continue with his Sequel... but again there were reasons he could not WORK on the Project and ALIENS Fans have to just Accept what happened had happened. (also not forgetting Miss Weaver wanted Ripley killed off).
These things happen.... not EVERY Movie will please all the Fans... Changes Happen sometimes due to the Directors/Production not being available for when the Studio want another Movie, and sometimes Changes are Forced because of what the Studio (and Producers) want changed.
It is UNLIKELY that Alien Covenant was the Sequel to Prometheus that Ridley Scott had intended... Its likely if we get another Prequel Continuation it would NOT be quite the route Ridley Scott wanted either.
Everyone has the Right to like or dislike any movie, there are Fans who feel Ridley Scott had made a Hash of Things, and maybe would not object to a ALIEN reboot... some ALIEN Fans maybe would not object to a ALIENS reboot... and some Fans would want to Forget the Prequels even happened.
But we just have to accept them Warts and All.... going a Blomkamp THIS movie never happened route is NOT the way forwards..
Regarding the Egg Morph vs Queen they can Co-Exist in a number of ways that i will leave for another time.
In regards to the OT...
I watched ALIENS Last Night the Special Edition and i struggle to see the Rover do more than 40KPH, all shots of it appeared to be more like 20KPH and we cant work out HOW-LONG the Journey for the Jordons was... it appears to be NO-MORE than a Few Hours Each way!
But Bishop mentions the Reactor would deliver a Blast Radius of 30KM and be the Equivalent of a 40MT Blast.
Taking that into ACCOUNT if the Derelict was located 20KM Away from Hadleys Hope then it is possible it would not suffer any Major Damage. If this Distance was 40KM then i would say the Derelict would have a Good Chance the Cargo could be Salvageable.
The Derelict could have been Buried from debris and dust following the Shock-wave or the Blast could have triggered some Seismic/Volcanic Activity that could have buried the Derelict.
so Regardless of WHO Created the Xenomorph, the OT is about IF the Cargo could remain after the events of ALIENS (forgive me if this is not the OT point), and as far as that goes.... then i think YES its very plausible the Derelict could be SALVAGED.
I think if you look at it from a Certain Perspective then it would come across that David would want to just Eradicate Mankind and Create is Wolf with the Queen he has yet to Perfect.
IF we assume this to be the case then it would depend on HOW David would do this... The Advent Viral would have been a Complete Mistake by David... a Massive Error of Ways!
He would had been more ideal for him to return to LV-223 in the Covenant, then indeed Create some Xenomorphs/Eggs on the Covenant ship and SEND it to Origae-6 but the Problem is the Covenant could be Detected on its way to LV-223 and Intercepted maybe prior to Origae-6 (especially having sent the Advent Viral). He should have recorded that to be Transmitted weeks after the Covenant Departs LV-223 so that it sets up a Wild Goose Chase.
While he then leaves LV-223 with a Juggernaught and Bombards Earth..... the Problem with this would be that Mankind is NOT confined to Earth, and its if he can Bombard Earth with Black Goo and make a Hasty Escape, the Juggernaught appeared to lack any Weapons Systems as far as being able to Engage and Attack other Ships (but this could be Spoon Fed into a Plot).
I think we have to work out if David has a Priority to Create/Perfect his Xenomorph killing Machines, or if he wants Mankind Destroyed, as if he wants the Latter then the Black Goo would be the Quicker Way.
Ridley Scott indicated a different Path, before we eventually reach a Path that would maybe Directly take us to the Back Door of ALIEN... but at this Moment with a Sequel on HOLD.. then what ever idea Ridley Scott may have had could well be SHELVED!
Well, I suppose if David gets his queen, producing eggs in abundance wouldn’t be a problem. For every egg, a host is needed and there are 2000 sleeping colonists on USCSS Covenant so he could probably get an army of wolves even before they reach Origae-6. David says to Walter, about the colonists (and mankind), that “They don’t deserve to start again, and I’m not going to let them”.
So, why go to Origae-6 at all? It would be an interesting conclusion of the prequels if we came back to LV-223. Perhaps see what’s inside the other facilities? Some of the colonists might have survived and tries to escape somehow. The Deacon might be lurking somewhere and enter engineers and colonial marines . . .
Maybe we can get something else like more shorts. It would be better than nothing. Collectively, they were more enjoyable than Covenant IMO.
On the other hand, this gives another year for them to make a decent movie.
I love the damaged synthetic voice vocoder effect. So iconic
Ash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrf0cH4o_g4
Bishop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGUEMju6U_4
Call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJOywNZA9ts
An interesting thing about Alone was the Xeno killing the synth at the end. Historically, synths were never targets of Xenos (except for Bishop). This short seemed to display a deeper intelligence from the Xeno- WY to the end- even synths are subject to the bigger agenda.
I am not trashing modern movies for this topic, but it seems like movies prior to or just in the infancy of CGI and sound design have a magic that cannot be easily re captured.
So good, dk. It makes me remember Organism game, played on a Commodore 64 computer.
Today, i feel nostalgic.
And the sounds of landing on LV-426?
Beautifully made.
The screams of the transmission distress are so disturbing...
This forum debated the topic to death a couple years ago. I believe the consensus was that egg morphing would work if a xeno was on its own and had no hive support. The hive idea would work too if there were enough victims to serve as hosts. The general masses didn't even know about egg morphing until post Aliens.
Alien deserved a proper sequel.
Giger should have been more involved
I regret Ridley Scott was not asked to make the sequel, the producers were seduced by Cameron's queen, which seemed prolific for the sequels, but which I find to be plain stupid. The xenomorph can be eusocial without an egg laying ant queen. I don't see evidence of intelligence for Cameron's aliens, just cheesy plot convenience to make the film build some pathetic climax until the reveal of the queen.
All the Aliens fans protest now if David created the xenomorph because it is no more alien, but they never admit that Aliens destroyed the potential it could have had.
Aliens is so poorly executed that if you play it at a lower speed you will see the cheap costumes of the "xenomorphs".
Regarding character development, it is no better than Prometheus, except Prometheus had a better android. Hudson, Hicks, Apone, Newt, what characters? Oh, I forgot Burke.
Face the reality people, Aliens is a Disney film. Maybe you were excited back then in the 80s because you were young and easily entertained but this film is frustratingly dumb plain.
Like ThoughtDreams nailed it: what you see is what you get. Nothing to talk about later, like the big hit The Predator.
"There would be no point in going to LV-223 or LV-426 since they are uninhabitable."
I think it all depends on WHAT is Davids Agenda.. we certainly on a Prequel Route would have to arrive at THOUSANDS of Eggs on LV-426 and at the Moment we know David has JUST the TWO small Face Hugger Embryos... can these lead to Thousands? On Planet 4 there are a number of Small Eggs, can these Grow? And in that Room where those Large Eggs are it appears there are 8-11 Remaining... again can these lead to Thousands?
So the Question is HOW do those Thousands of Eggs get Created..... Bare in Mind it cant be via Pure Coincidence that the Derelict is within the System or LV-223/426, so there must have been some Purpose for the Ship to either be heading to LV-223 or Leaving LV-223 that is connected to the Mass of Eggs... they are either being taken in Thousands to LV-223 for Study/Re-Engineering or that a Smaller Number had been taken to LV-223 for Re-Engineering and Mass Production.
Assuming the without David's Experiments on Planet 4 there would be NO Eggs on LV-426 route.
Regarding how long it took to get to Planet 4, on one hand the Engineers seem to be able to Travel to other Galaxies and so Earth to LV-223 should be just a SHORT Hop! but then on the other hand, we have to ask WHY they use Cryo-Sleep Pods.
I think One Element that is Overlooked is that The Covenant Arrives nearly 12 Months after Dr Shaw leaves her Warning about LV-223. We see at some point they leave LV-223 but then the Juggernaught is seen Floating Aimlessly in Space... it would see that David had done enough to allow the Ship to leave LV-223 but he was then using the Juggernaught as a Bargaining Chip for Dr Shaw to eventually Put him Back Together again.
The Crossing shows that Dr Shaw's Hair had been Growing for what would be about 9 Months. (6-11 Months usually for that Hair Growth). And David had said he had been on Planet 4 for about 10 years.
So i Assume that by the Time Dr Shaw was placed into Cryo-Sleep it would have been 4-16 weeks until the Juggernaught Arrived.... I certainly dont think it took a YEAR.... i think it could have taken Weeks, Certainly dont think it would take Months.
David had said he was NOT sure to Dr Shaw, because i feel is Agenda would have been to get put back together, then get Dr Shaw into Cryo-Sleep and then David is FREE to take as much time as he likes to Assess what he was to do next with NO-ONE being able to Stop Him.
We dont have any idea of the Distance of Planet 4, it is located in the Reticuli System as far as the Point in the Sky/Space but that is NO Guarantee that Planet 4 is located about 40LY from Earth.
It appears the Covenant had taken up to a Year to get to Planet 4 from Earth, and it would have taken the Nostromo 10 Months from LV-426 to Earth, so do we assume they are of similar Speeds due to Age? We cant be sure.
I know there was a Early Draft to Alien Covenant that was released where the Crossing was the Prologue but i have NOT read this and maybe i would have to try and locate it as maybe it can indicate some clues to the Distance of Planet 4, Origae-6 and Journey Times?
I would only assume the Juggernaught would have taken weeks 2-8 to Planet 4 but thats just a assumption, not based on much FACT, i know its unlikely it took more than 4 Months.
I would assume a Juggernaught would get from LV-223 to Earth Vastly more quicker than the Prometheus, Covenant and Nostromo... The Sulaco took 3 weeks.. and i would assume the Engineers Ships are Faster than W-Y Technology at that Time. And so with No Proof i would not be surprised if the Trip from LV-223 to Planet 4 took Days..... but again there is No Proof so thats Speculative by me.
Awesome Poster in OT by the Way ;)
I think ALIENS is a tricky one to look at, because it has so many Hard Core Fans, i think they seem to be more Passionate about that Movie and i think most ALIENS Fans dont dislike ALIEN but i think there are ALIENS Fans who seem to dislike the Sequels and Prequels to ALIEN/ALIENS.
I dont think ALIENS gets a lot of Critism, it gets some, but then i feel the Prequels seem to get more, Alien 3 and Alien R seem to get more. I would say in General ALIENS does-not get too much Flak!
The Movie effects people in different ways, and i think some of those who may pick some Bones with it, sometimes are against the QUEEN because it appeared Cameron Did-Not pay attention to the Source Material..... HOWEVER... we need to Bare in Mind that for the most part, the Majority of people who remember or saw ALIEN especially back then would NOT have been aware of the True Intended Xenomorph Life Cycle and so you had to ASK about WHERE those Eggs came from?
In the Majority of Biology EGGS are Laid, and so the Introduction of a Queen would kind of made Sense, despite the Source Material (O'Bannon) had the Egg Morph which was more ALIEN... Some Fans looked at Cameron's Aliens as BUGS! which to a degree it does come across similar, but i wont agree with how some say they are DUMB Bugs, because i see more Evidence in ALIENS for the Xenomorph having Intelligence and a Purpose... in ALIEN it was just a Stealthy Predator who relied on Instinct to Hunt and Kill its Victims.... The DC Cut with the Egg Morph showed a Purpose to the Organism however.
For me Personally.... when i first saw ALIENS it was a worthy Sequel to ALIEN it made sense and it was Action Packed, and in the 80's there was that Market for Action Movies. It was a bit Cheesy at times but this was the 80's and a lot of Movies were like this.
Looking back NOW, as i grew older and Mature, then Aliens did start to become just a Action Flick, a very Good one at that... I was disapointed with ALIEN 3 but as time goes on, that Movie Grew on me, while ALIENS just became a Action Packed Popcorn Flick set within the Universe but a VERY well executed one.
ALIENS is essentially similar to Starship Troopers... what makes it different is that it was better executed, and had a relatable better Character who was carried on from ALIEN in Ellen Ripley and so ALIEN Elevated ALIENS, because you had her Experience/Encounter from ALIEN and her concerns and warning to those who accompanied her to LV-426 that they are dealing with something very SERIOUS that they appeared to not take Seriously at all..... Until the $£%&% Hits the Fan!
What i mean by that is... IF say ALIEN was NEVER Made, and we had ALIENS with no knowledge/history of Ripleys Prior Plight against the Organism... and IF the Xenomorph was not that Iconic Design by HR Giger then what we could have got would have been NOT too Far from a Starship Troopers type Flick (my opinion)
We have to give Credit to ALIENS and its Queen and Action because this is what had accounted for the Franchise being as Marketable as it was... The Countless Merchandise, Comics, Games, Toys etc etc were all possible due to the more Action Packed ALIENS and the Queen.
Its hard to say IF the Franchise would have been as BIG had we NOT had ALIENS.... based on a single Movie then ALIEN would have been a Cult Hit but i would not think it would have Spawned as Much Merchandise/Marketing or Games, Comics and Toys etc..
So just ALIEN and i am not sure we would have had as Iconic Status.... a ALIEN sequel is something we cant really comment about, because WHO is to know if a Different (None Action, None Queen) Sequel would HAVE or HAD-NOT had the Impact that ALIENS had... we dont know.
What we do know is that ALIENS is the Movie that Most are Familiar with, that leaves the Bigger Impression on Most People (talking in General).
My Issues with ALIENS is not the Movie itself, its just that the Formula is repeated in all of the Media Forms that Followed, most Novels, Comics and Games appear to be in the MOLD of a ALIENS/ALIEN Resurrection... And so i would have liked to had seen something a BIT Different, which Prometheus appeared to have Attempted..
In a Ideal World.... it would have Been Great that we could have had Multiple Movies released where ONE follows the more Action Packed/Aliens Formula and another tried Something Different.
I saw it in 1987 when it was still fresh and it still hasn't grown old for me. I wonder if someone who saw it for the first time on a blue ray might feel differently- "oh that looks so '80s".
ninXeno426 I re-watched Aliens a few weeks ago. Still has so many great moments.
Alien also feels like this atm. 
Borrowed from facebook
Being my favorite movie, I'm always a bit biased towards the film. As of now Aliens feels like The Last Jedi of it day. A new guy came in and added his own spin on the universe. Difference is it polarized next to no one at the time.
Aliens at times feels like it's the heart of the divide between The quadrilogy and Scotts prequels.
The only thing I can fault Aliens on is that it is a victim of its own success and has developed a Nickelback-like stigma for haters that love to hate on it for the sake of loving to hate on it.
It probably has aged the worst of the films because of its '80s action flick vibe.
Much like hearing a Zeppelin song reminds you of the '70s, Matchbox 20 song reminds you of the '90s, and Limp Bizkit / Korn of the '00s etc
Aliens captures that '80s nostalgia which is thick in cheesy bravado and Corporate weaselness...
But beyond that it is just as much awesome as the other films.
And if anything was the MOST expansive of the films !
I think it looks really really cool (specially for the price) but I'm not too convinced on the transparent head... I get they were going for the "Alien" look where you supposedly can see a human skull inside the xeno's head (I say "supposedly" cause I have never actually noticed that detail while watching the movie) but they shouldn't have made it totally transparent, it looks rather odd. Still, it's a great looking figure.
I think both egg morphing and hive can work. Depends if the xeno is alone or with the hive.
I love it. I always thought the original alien had similar "tubes" to the inside guts of Ash and Bishop. Makes perfect sense.
I would also like to see an Ash model in a new movie to bring it full circle.
Audience division and segregation will continue in any depreciating franchise until a unifying installment is produced that satisfies the audience, of which the Alien franchise is in need of. Because we need to satisfy both the general audience and the fandom, the list of franchise settling narratives should be kept to a bare minimum so as not to overwhelm general audiences, but with enough inferences and easter eggs to satisfy the fandom and all within a well executed, paced and developed narrative. This is by no means an impossible task, but it is a difficult one even for seasoned filmmakers.
As such BigDave, your list of required narrative beats needs to be shortened/simplified...
#1 - The conclusion of Davids arc.
#2 - Definition of the Engineer mythology. Who/what are the Engineers? What is their relationship to the Xenomorph, humans and whatever is on LV-426?
#3 - The triumphant return of the Xenomorph. The Xenomorph needs to be executed with respect - an unseen, unstoppable force.
#4 - The human element. Through relatable, well written and well portrayed characters elements of the human backstory to the franchise need to be covered, or at the very least inferred; such as why the Nostromo will be used to execute Special Order 937 (corporate conspiracy), and why Weyland-Yutani desire the Xenomorph so much?
#5 - The mystery of LV-426; the origins of the derelict Juggernaut, it's pilot and its cargo.
As chli's preference on the Xenomorph's origins highlights some other aspects need to be left ambiguous. Only the necessary, rudimentary questions should be answered, and such answers need not be so specific.
For example, by somehow revealing (flashback, hieroglyphs, etc.) that the Engineers took eggs from the derelict Juggernaught on LV-426 and weaponized the Xenomorph into the black pathogen you infer the derelicts pilot may not be an Engineer, and that its cargo of eggs predates whatever David thinks he created, it also infers that the Engineers technology is also not their own.
I think it’s partly an issue about subgenres. To me, Alien is sci-fi horror. It’s not fantasy. It’s more realism. To me, what made Alien so frightening was that it had an air of realism to it, with Brett and Parker as mechanics working in greasy, dirty hallways and machine areas. There is a touch of fantasy connected to the works of Giger, but I experience them more as showing that there is an alien race who has built advanced spaceships. The creature is also “realistic” with a definite biological (rather than biomechanical) look. There are drooling jaws, stealth and smooth movements - a hunter, a predator, a deadly species. There is biology with sexual organs, eggs, bodily fluids, heat and moisture, and instincts, propagation and survival.
Scott chose not to show too much of neither the creature nor Giger’s art. The biomechanical style tends to get a bit surrealistic at times. If there is too much surrealism, you obviously lose the sense of realism and you might also lose the creepy feeling of almost being there. To me, the best sci-fi is realism set in the future and perhaps in a different area of the galaxy. There is new technology (but not too fanciful) and there are extraterrestrials (but not purple with green eyes).
I don’t think Scott was particularly interested in the biomechanical part, more the looks of the creature and the juggernaut etc. I think that Scott more saw the biological aspects: rape (facehugging), procreation, eggs, animal instincts etc. I don’t think that the biomechanical aspect of it is intended to be real - a blending of biology and mechanics (technology). It’s just some of the aesthetics (of which not much was shown in Alien).
So, I’m not in favour of a blending of David’s synthetic makeup with an organic egg (facehugger). We could also see in Alien: Covenant that the eggs didn’t react to his presence. I think I prefer to see the alien as a species who has evolved in a harsh environment rather than a created thing or a mixture of a robot (synthetic) and a biological organism.
In order for David to make it in time to LV-426, a juggernaut must turn up (on Origae-6). On Origae-6, David will build his “Eden” with his “Queen”. There would be no point in going to LV-223 or LV-426 since they are uninhabitable. The 2000 colonists know nothing of David’s rebellion but Daniels and Tennessee do (or will figure it out) so they are dead (experimented on).
So, in order to accomplish things within the time frame, a juggernaut is needed. However, it took David and Shaw about a year to reach Planet 4 from LV-223, so how fast is the juggernaut? It would seem it’s about three times as fast as human spaceships at the time. Anyhow, it would give David some time to build an army of “wolves” (in order to destroy everything in the galaxy) before the cavalry arrives (Engineers, Colonial Marines). :)
I never get bored when i watch it.
The Kothoga is an amazing scary Monster that loves to bite.
At least we have the entire play recorded with the possibility of a pro mix for DVD coming!
$30 is a good price point............but those huge feet and skinny legs just look all kinds of wrong.
The drool looks kind of neat though.
As far as PARADISE
Such a Name can be interpreted and used in any number of ways, are we talking Paradise as in the Engineers Home-world or the World of their Creators?
The Tag Line was: The path to paradise begins in hell.
Which is from Dante... but regardless of that, this could be interpreted in context to ALIEN: Covenant that Planet 4 is the HELL and that this means it is NOT the place Paradise as we have YET to reach this Place!
That would be if you looking at it from the POV of David/Dr Shaw and their Odyssey in that Dr Shaw felt she would be taken to Paradise but she is taken to HELL instead!
But it also could be taken in context to the Covenant Mission, they were off to escape the Rotting Paradise of Earth in search for a NEW Eden/Paradise but they did not reach that Destination (Origae-6) instead they turned up at a World they may have thought could be a Paradise but instead was HELL for them.
In either case it could allow people to consider Planet 4 is NOT what we call Paradise.
Some could use the "Better to Rein in Hell" comment by David that indeed Planet 4 is NOT our Paradise, as this is the Place David reigns. And thus is HELL.... its where those so called Fallen Angels came from too (Engineers).
This could mean however that the HELL that David wishes to rein in could yet be Origae-6
What it could be is that Planet 4 may have been the Paradise as far as Garden of Eden/Creation and that David had turned this Place into his HELL.
I think if we are to have ONE Concluding Movie, here are perhaps the things it would have to try and cover/achieve.
1) Either have Conclude or Indicate IF our David had or Did-Not Create what EVENTUALLY end up on LV-426
2) Would have to have the Xenomorph included even if this could be a Short Scene.
3) It would have to have some Xenomorph or Similar Scenes/Monsters.
4) It would have to try and Balance between a Bit of Action, and a bit of Horror.
5) It would have to keep some of the Space Adventure Elements of Prometheus.
6) It would have to cover the Engineers or at the Space Jockey Race (if Different).
7) It would have to have Human Characters, and they would have to be Well Written/Executed.
8) It would have to LOOSELY touch upon some of the Prometheus Themes, Creation, Sub-Creation, Knowledge/Technology (Taught or Stolen) Rebellion, Hubris, Pursuit of Perfection, Immortality.
9) Leave some Clues/Information to how Special Order 937 came about and what Knowledge of the Species does the Company Have and HOW.
10) Would have to CLOSE the Door to ALIEN but open up avenues for ALIEN related Future Movies set in the Year 2122 or Beyond. While allowing the Door OPEN to explore other Aspects regarding the Engineers, their Creators, Creations and what other Horrors they have in Store or been a part of.
It would not Necessarily have to be about any of the Characters from the Prequels so FAR...
Trying to INCLUDE most of those 10 Steps, and Please EVERY Fan is going to be a Impossible Task, all they can do is come up with a Story they FEEL may please about 50% of the Varied Fanbase and Hope for the Best!
A Movie that should be some kind of Conclusion but leave it OPEN so that Future Movies can Branch Off as ALIEN Franchise related (Xenomorphs/LV-426) and so be set around and after 2122 or just prior in the Time Line.
WHILE the and another that can Branch Off regarding the Engineers, their Hierarchy and such! and be free to be set in ANY Time-Line..... Past (prior to 2105) Present 2105-2175 or Future Post 2180
You make a Spot On Point Gavin ;)
I really have to find where i put the Origins Novel, i had it but misplaced it (not read it too), but as far as i am aware the events happened about a year before the events of the Covenant arriving at Planet 4
I have tried a few Maps and there is NOTHING really as far as Star located at RA 3h 17m 8.0s Dec -62° 37
Closest i could come to was to Zoom on near the Reticuli System.
Marked where Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 are, the BLUE Dot is a location that Matches where David sent the Advent Message from, which is RA 3h 17m 8.0s Dec -62° 37' but there are NO Stars at this Location... The closest TWO which i have marked in RED as A and B are.
A: USNOA2 0225-00827988 03h17m27.85s/-62°36'15.1"
B: USNOA2 0225-00825316 03h16m52.03s/-62°36'50.7"
Both in the Constellation Reticulum but we have to remember this is the location in the SKY and TWO objects could be close in the Sky but further away from each other than say the 5th nearest object to the Objects in Question.
So we cant work out exactly HOW far Planet 4 is, but if we consider the Re-Charge Cycles it seems they are between 10-12 Months, and the Origins Novel was set a year prior to Alien Covenant and so Planet 4 would be within about 10-12 Months Travel from Earth for the Covenant which makes the Ship in about the Same Ball Park as the Nostromo as far as Speed (Nostromo likely being a little faster).
So we can assume that for the Covenant we can say Origae-6 is about 88 Months from Planet 4, while to Planet 4 is about 10-12 Months from Earth.
David will arrive on Origae-6 about April 2112 and if he was to leave right away (which dont make sense) and head to LV-223 we can assume he would arrive there about September 2119 give or take.
This means that LEAVES us with a Period of 30-32 Months (give or take) to take into account Time David Spends on Origae-6, Time Spent around the Zeta 2 System, and then Time the Derelict is on LV-426 when the Nostromo Turns up.
It is HIGHLY likely that IF we are to assume the Path Ridley Scott sets out where David is the Creator of the Xenomorph that leads to those Eggs on the Derelict.
1) David arrives at Origae-6 about April/May 2112, there he goes about what ever business he does and what kind of a world he would Build/Create.
2) A Number of years Pass and a incoming 1/2 Human Ships turn up over a period of Short Time (Span of a Movie) then the Engineers Rock Up!
3) One of the Engineer Ships that turn up to Origae-6 will at some point leave that system and head to Zeta 2 Reticuli
4) This Ship would either have the Cargo of Davids Eggs and be heading to LV-223 but ENDS up on LV-426, or this Ship will reach LV-223 and maybe Experiment/Evolve Davids Creation and then attempt to leave LV-223 but only get as far as LV-426.
Leaving a Few Years then before the Nostromo Turns Up!
There would be about a 10 Year Period for Points 1-4 to FIT in. And Ridley Scott indicated that from when Covenant Ends to when Alien Starts he intended another 2-3 Movies. Thats a Hard Push!
I would not be too Concerned as i think its Highly Likely we will NOT get a Answer to those Eggs, unless any NEW Alien Movie provides any information.... because i think any Continuation to Alien Covenant would be on INDEFINITE Hold!
And by the Time they offer one, or provide a Explanation in a Movie set around or after the time of ALIEN, then i think they would do another U-TURN and have those Eggs NOT be a Creation of Davids to Please Fans who are Up in Arms over it.
I would say a High% of Fans are displeased with that Direction of David is the Creator.
