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I can't watch any video now.

If they will release one episode weekly, the last should be on around May 3.

Chances to get bigger news on Alien Day are close to nothing.

However, Fox should mark the day somehow.

We'll see.

Great, dk.

Even at Disney they should have noticed.

Alien makes the national news!

Now it is a good time for a new Alien movie.

What do you think, Merlin can wait?

It made the national news in the States tonight. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKu10kBYdv0

Containment is pretty good. TBH, I have seen other independent Alienverse shorts just as good or better. 

Containment is worth a watch though.

I think David knew the Enginners from LV223 were like him, and those from planet 4 were like the humans who banished, who knows, the AI like him. A paradise without AI was a rotten paradise for David.

BigDave, I don't know if David notes are based on what was discussed on set during production of Prometheus/ Alien Covenant, but the passage below confirms that the virus/xenomorph have the same origin and the Enginners were concerned to get the biomechanical traits of the xenomorph with their experiments on LV223, that is why those Enginners looked much like the xenomorph than the plain jane engineers from planet 4. We can now see why Ridley Scott said those on planet 4 were the originals and those from LV223 were more like David or replicants.

Also the passege below can explain that David created his own xenomorph.

Same passage might give a clue that the cruel rituals of the Enginners were meant to achieve the glorious synthesis and poetic culmination of the species 

"Returning to the notion of integration and biomechanical concerns, I would posit that lessons learned here could and should be applied to the ultimate maturation of the Engineers’ direction if not their literal fate. Through the virus / Xenomorph as glorious synthesis and poetic culmination of the species. And an amusing biblical one at that. Though not quite linear due to my own inheritance."

Nice Points NTFS

The Weyland Company and its achievements fit those 3 Points...

But ALIEN does seem to indicate fans would expect some ALIEN connection as in something NOT of this world... which was the Xenomorph.  I have said before we could have gone off say after Alien  3 and explored other ALIEN Races that are not CONNECTED to the Xenomorph but some Fans would not see this as a ALIEN movie...  a Visit to see the Arcturian Poontang Planet would have been seeing other Alien Species... which would make the ALIEN Tittle mean Mankind interacting and discovering Alien Life... and so just as the STAR in Star Trek means Searching for New Worlds and Life among the Stars, rather then Earth Treking!

But i think a Majority of Franchise Fans would feel there had to be a connection to the First Movie in context to the Xenomorph.

A Movie about Xenomorphs that follows the same Patterns/Tropes would get Repetitive...  not for some though..

But  this is when you can bring in the Mankind/Company Agenda to Exploit the Xenomorph, and then open up the possibilities of Reverse Engineering them and trying to exploit their Traits for Various Purposes, so it would not even need a Xenomorph...  but the ALIEN would come from Mankinds attempted use of the Xenomorph to create Hybrids/Horrors at a Great Hubris.

You could see such things had been attempted by the Engineers at a great cost to them.

When looking at ALIEN we also have to consider that the ALIEN element was the Derelict/Space Jockey too and WHAT IF those Eggs were just a Bio-Weapon Engineered by them? (as it was implied) then you have another LAYER to that ALIEN Cake and one that opened up a World of New Possibilities.

When we consider the Reveal of the Space Jockey Race and Plot, this is very fitting with the Themes you mentioned NTFS because this is something the Engineers had been doing for a VERY VERY Longtime..

3. Conquest 

Hits the Nail on the Head.... Conquest/Discovery can lead to Leaps in Evolution to Aid with the other TWO Traits.

The Discovery of ALIEN Technology would surely make Enormous Changes to HOW Mankind goes about those THREE TRAITS that you pointed out.

By exploring the Engineers, or then even any Race/Species connected to them, we still are connected to the Xenomorph, as opposed to say exploring a World of Arcturian's or say another Bug Species like Starship Troopers.

To continue with the above....

I think if we look at our Engineers, indeed the LV-223 Engineers had some Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic to the Suits, and the Under Suit they wore you could see some resemblance to the Xenomorph.

There was a connection, maybe in detail thats a whole different Debate... but at the time of Prometheus they must have both been Engineered from the same Source or one comes from the other.

with Ridley Scott saying the Planet 4 Plain Jane Engineers are the Originals then we can look at the LV-223 either Genetically Engineered a Suit that attached to them, or there entire body was Engineered to evolve to that look.

I think in context to the OT...  David would see such Enhancements and Traits are something interesting to USE with his experiments.

When he saw the LV-223 Engineers and their Technology he appeared to be Impressed by these Advancements... when he saw the Planet 4 Engineers he may have felt they was a Step-Back from the Enhancements and Technology they had achieved.

So i think if David would be looking at Perfection, regardless of his Creations, i think he would see to a degree his Xenomorph DNA as something that could be applied to EVOLVE other Life on Origae-6, which could give us a bit more of that ALIENY Aesthetic.

Once something like this happens that carries or mutates to have a lot of Xenomorph Traits and lets say would start to Secrete the Substance/Change the Planet to have that more Xenomorph Hive like Construction Aesthetic.

Regarding the Bio-Mechanical Aspect.... i think the Plan was that this is something the Engineers had achieved or had Engineered their Technology off...   We have to remember at the time or Prometheus the Xenomorph had been around for Thousands of Years.

Yes we had Lindeloff and others say the Deacon was the Proto-Morph well Precursor to the Xenomorph, but this likely meant the DNA within the Black Goo and maybe the Mural and NOT a direct descendant of Dr Shaws Trilobite.

But as we are heading for the route that David Kick-Starts the Xenomorph Origins (lets assume at least) then having David Transfer his AI Soul into a Walter Model, and if the Walter Models are a Synthetic Construct like Elden from Fire and Stone... then thats a Convenient Route to obtain a Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph from a Bio-Mechanical Synthetic Host.

"Probably will be like an open air museum of horrors, with many failed experiments, an extension of his lab from planet 4"

Certainly thats what i was thinking ;)

I think a lot of us could say while Prometheus was more Mechanical than Organic in Terms of Engineers Technology, i think Fans Gradually Accepted it, and were Disappointed that Planet 4 appeared to lack this Engineer Technology Aesthetic.  I am sure many would have envisioned a Bio-Mechanical World.

The Fire and Stone comics showed us what a WORLD could be like once the Black Goo had taken Hold.... but with Alien Covenant they had it that it would only effect the MEAT or Organic Life, and not Plant Life (Spores are Fungi) I think expecting a ALIEN like World like the OT Banner is a Far Stretch at present, but once things go to POT then its something that a World could Evolve too in Future.

I think when we look at it from Davids point of view, and accept he has a Creator Agenda, to be Godlike, then from a Creator/Designer point of view, having a World Ripe with Life thats Unaffected that you can take Various Lifeforms and Experiment with, would be more ideal, than experimenting with Life that may have already been MASS infected.

Some of the Concept Work by Carlos Huante for a earlier draft of Alien Covenant, had shown David had experimented on Various Life on Paradise, but these certainly lacked a lot of the Xenomorph DNA/Aesthetic that the Mutations we saw in Prometheus had...

They looked very toned down, but certainly some had similarities to each other (these concepts) but not really to the Xenomorph/Deacon DNA..... but then if he could revert the Black Goo or Extract from it the Same Effects as we saw the Sacrificial Goo, then this stuff can basically Cross Hybrid any Life-form and so does not have to have any Xeno/Deacon DNA

If we saw such Experiments like this in Alien Covenant, or its sequel i think maybe Fans would have a right to Question their lack of Xenomorph DNA and related to the LV-223 Experiments.

But if they had the DNA of the LV-223 Experiments, then i think that would be more appeasing, as we saw with the Fire and Stone Comics.

I think what we have to look at is David and what would he create if he wanted to have his OWN impact on Life on a World, so that he can take Credit for Evolving/Engineering Life.

I think he would want to Perfect the Life on a World, and i would assume that when he looked at the Deacon he saw Potential in its Traits, which he then Engineered to get the Xenomorph... i would think that he would see his Xenomorph as having Almost Perfect Traits to then apply these to the Life on a World.

So i think it  makes more sense if say David Engineered some Animals they would have at least 25% Xenomorph DNA/Traits.  Or even if they had some HR Giger Aesthetic to them, but less Mechanical.

I think its great that their efforts are getting Good Well Deserved Recognition.

I think the New Jersey High school stands a way better chance of their Alien play encore happening before an Alien movie as of right now. I would welcome being proven wrong though.

A set of 4 films (including Covenant Awakening) is a completely realistic expectation. The Alien franchise has many concepts which can be explored. 

4 Alien films are expected in the next decade.

That is wishful thinking, right?

$ 30,000.00 is the prize for each of the 6 short films that won the Tongal/Fox competition.

3. Conquest 

2. Colonization and terra-forming

1. Space Exploration

Watch Containment, the first of the 6 short films dedicated to Alien 40th Anniversary, now streaming on IGN.

"To celebrate Alien's 40th anniversary and in partnership with Tongal, 20th Century Fox is releasing new Alien-universe fan-made short films leading up to Alien Day on April 26th. Written and directed by Chris Reading, the synopsis for "Containment" reads: "Four survivors find themselves stranded aboard a small escape pod in deep space. Trying to piece together the details around the outbreak that led to their ship's destruction, they find themselves unsure to trust whether or not one of them might be infected."

4 Alien films are expected in the next decade. If they use all concepts in the next part there will be nothing left to show in later episodes. My expectations are low.

Probably will be like an open air museum of horrors, with many failed experiments, an extension of his lab from planet 4. I don't see him create something biomechanical, nothing of sorts was seen on planet 4.

Even the Deacon was not biomechanical like the Big Chap, so no idea were from the biomechanical traits.

Steven_Friedman, please forgive me!

YES!!!

Ok, the letter is legit. It is mentioned on Ridley Scott Creative Group Twitter page @RidleyScottCG with a link to Deadline.com.

The post is from 5:36 PM - 28 March 2019.

Thank you, Sir Ridley Scott!

I am relieved!

@Thoughts_Dreams

"You mention Amanda, I think that it is a little sad that they got to have Ripley-connections in a lot of things. Having a new character that is independent from those that came before should have been better in my opinion."

I agree with you in this point. I don't know how everyone else thinks about the idea that there should be a familial connection to the prequel series or to a reboot. 

It feels like the destiny of the characters is predestined and nothing unpredictable might happen. The franchise is always somehow unpredictable, but telling the story of the ancestors and the descendants of Ripley makes it a family saga like Star Wars. The Star Wars original films are about the Skywalker family. That makes sense because it has such an impact on the universe. Applying that to the Alien franchise makes it foreseeable and it feels like the center is of it is the Ripley family. But we'll see how things get connected. Maybe the Covenant 2 could handle things so that there is just a slight hint or a minor appearance of a ancestor of Ripley.

The key traits of the franchise:

1. Exploration (expeditions to remote locations)

2. Colonization (terra-forming of planets, construction of infrastructure in space)

3. Conquest (collision with other life-forms or cultures)

WHAT KIND of a World David would create?

A plain and simple one.

The HR Giger Aesthetic illustrates the home world of the Xenos. A journey to their world may be the subject of a later episode.

I would rather face the Xenomorphs than Ridley Scott's lawyers. 

Uh oh, I wrote a looooooooooooooooooooooong comment. But it was all erased.

So, I will be brief.

I don't have a problem with a David's world and his experiments. No doubt - it will be interesting. But just a part of a film. Setting. Background.

And I don't understand how David and biomechanics can be related. David are synthetic organism - artificial organic. He just doesn't have "it" for a biomechanical elements. But the Last Engineer - has it. Yesterday I got figure of the Engineer and this the second cool staff after original Big Chap. And Engineers can be related with Derelict's xenomorphs. So I think you are right when you talks about LV-223.

And if David's world in any case will have a biomechanical aesthetic  (or get it after infestation) - it will be a wet dream movie. ;)

I think I'm being paranoid. This happens when things seem just too good...

The letters look the same except the second one looks like it was filtered or processed somehow.

It would be a stupid move to commit a felony with the entire world seeing it. 

My money is on that this is legit.

Siggy's Twitter post is legit, no doubt about it.

Mr. Cuervo's post is also legit. My question is if the letter he received is indeed from Ridley Scott. I hope it is.

Deadline used that other post and everybody took it as legit from Deadline. Including myself.

I am sure Sir Ridley Scott will bring light into this.

That SUCKS! Two take aways though:

1- Scott Free can probably sue the shit out of this joker if this is the case. I would not want to be on the receiving end of RS and his legal team. Forgery is a felony.

2. Siggy's Twitter post is legit.....unless you believe in the fake manipulated news camp.

It seems Mr. Perfecto Cuervo received the letter from Ridley Scott, that is clearly a photo of a printed letter:

What bothered me is the tweet below, which is the letter in electronic format, not the same photo as Mr. Cuervo's: 

Forgive me if I am wrong, I wish so badly to be wrong this time.

I am OK with continuing with David- except it centers on one character too much. On the other hand, the Quadrilogy centered on Ellen, so who is to say. Is David the new Ellen in that regard? David is certainly an interesting and complex character.

The Alien should have a role but it doesn't need to be the main thing. It is called Alien after all.

Nice Spot..... could be nothing but who knows...

That twitter page belongs to a Joker!

I am dying here!

Anybody with a better internet than me can please check if Ridley Scott's letter is not a HOAX?

I noticed the bird from Scott Free logo is different and the letter was first posted here.

Although it was spread with enthusiasm across the internet, like I did myself, I did not find it in any Ridley Scott official page.

BigDave It feels like something is brewing and this play may have forced someone's hand.

Siggy also looks and motions to her left when mentioning Cameron- as if he was sitting there.

BigDave In the video, notice when she mentions Cameron, she glances and sort of points to her left- as if JC was there.

Indeed DK  her Video is HERE

Its interesting as she hinted the ALIEN has NOT gone away, is that a indication that something is HAPPENING behind the Scenes?

Only Time will TELL... but i suspect its more chance of seeing a Blomkamp Inspired ALIEN movie...  I am sure that Emma Watts was championing for the Prequels to be Finished though.... just as soon as they GOT the right Story!