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Indeed DK  her Video is HERE

Its interesting as she hinted the ALIEN has NOT gone away, is that a indication that something is HAPPENING behind the Scenes?

Only Time will TELL... but i suspect its more chance of seeing a Blomkamp Inspired ALIEN movie...  I am sure that Emma Watts was championing for the Prequels to be Finished though.... just as soon as they GOT the right Story!

BigDave "its nice to see it gaining recognition?"

It has received both props and endorsements from the very top- Sir Scott and Mrs. Weaver! You cannot get any better than that.

Well its nice to see it gaining recognition... the Alien 6 Short Fan Films would also be interesting, Disney can gauge how much interest there would be in a Franchise..

with movies Budget can make a difference though!  Mainly in Terms of  Space Scenes/Technology and Special Effects for any Aliens/Technology.

For example you can see the Inferior Xenomorph Quality between the AVP Movies.  The Predators look Good in both because they dont require as much effort due to the Appearance/Biology of the Humanoid Hunters.  And so Engineers would also not be that Expensive either.

TV Series would be better... again depend on Budget!

$8M Per Episode would get you Star Trek TV Series like Budget to play with, where as a $1M Per Episode would get you a Dr Who like Budget, and so i think something in the Middle could do some Justice to the Franchise.

I just have a feeling Disney would not want to invest more than $50M be that a Movie or a 8-12 Episode TV Show.

I think a 6 Episode TV show would be ideal to then Gauge if there would be enough Interest/Risk to continue with more or move onto a Movie.

"perhaps that could explain the more primitive nature of the Engineer population of Planet 4."

AND

"I don't think the song was there by accident. It seems to suggest something about origins."

There is a bit to read into that, when we also consider the Court Yard and throw some Concepts in... but i think it would be a LONG post that would be a bit off topic. We seem to be seeing a Reoccurring Theme of Creation, Sub-Creation and Hubris when your Creation is made more Superior/Perfect and what happens when they deem themselves superior and more worthy than their Creator. And it appears this Theme would continue with Alien Covenants sequel... well maybe that was the Plan.

@LETO

Totally agree... such Technology as far as Storms could make it hard to detect whats on the Surface, what Continents are there, how much Water maybe... certainly hide any signs of Life or Civilization.

But to HIDE a whole Planet is a Stretch!

The Problem arises by Virtue of having a Direct Prequel Plot, where you have to introduce Humans... and so having Planet 4 being closer to Home is the Convenience, and so then they had to come up with a Plot to WHY such a World as Fertile as our own (before Davids Bombardment) has simply never been detected...

Having a World Much Further becomes a Problem... because if the Set-Up is David Unleashes Hell on Paradise, Created his Proto-Xeno, then the Covenant Ship and Crew come in and will play a part in the Continuation of the Xenomorph... where we are looking at 2-3 Movies before we arrive to ALIEN.

Then with a 17 year Time-Frame... making the Engineers World closer to home was a Necessity/Convenience which meant they then have to come up with a Reason why the Engineers World was never detected.

The Plot Idea i had as far as where David and Shaw would go, would have NOT had to worry about such things because it was Thousands of Light Years away!  What about Humans?  Well then we ask is Earth the only Place where Humans had been seeded by the Engineers?

FOX and Co.... had determined that Fans wanted Xenomorphs... and i agree they should also have looked at the other complaints about Prometheus...

Alien Covenant proved that throwing the Xenomorph back in and going a Origins Route, was still not enough...  the Marketing Also did not drive masses to go and see the Movie before Word of Mouth got around about the Plot and how again the Characters and some Plot Points where again POOR.

But to be fair, its hard to get things Perfect! Try as they May...  I had  seen all the ALIEN Movies a few weeks ago, and to be honest having seen some other movies with Good Characters, the Franchise just is NOT a Masterpiece of Characters and Acting...   But certainly the First 3 Movies were Fine... after that, well the Characters never worked for me.

By the Time i got to Alien Resurrection, you just never cared for any of them... there was NO-ONE to Sympathize with maybe Call, but thats it...  Ripley 8 nope because it was getting Tiresome (IMO) and as she was a Hybrid she just seemed to not draw much of a Care, i was not Feeling for her, because she just appeared to be well like a Super Hero. i think the Hybrid Angle for me had taken her Humanity away a bit and i saw more Humanity in Call. The other Good Guys were just a bunch of Mercenaries and i had no connection to what happened to them, you knew they was just going to be Fodder and so your like MEH!  i actually felt more of a connection for some of Alien Covenants Cast (Oram, Karine, Lope and Faris and Rosenthal to a degree and the rest was like MEH! 

I was not even attached to Tennessee or Daniels and if they got killed i would be like.. oh crap what a Twist No Survivors but have Little Care for them...

Prometheus had same problems... you just never Rooted for anyone, Vickers and Janek maybe... you could see a more Solid Character in those TWO, the rest your like MEH!

The AVP Movies also similar, the 2nd one... well thats Totally Forgettable...

so yeah its not Easy to Pull Off of Characters that work, but it could have been done better than we had...   Another Good Example would be the THING when comparing the First to the Prequel...

REGARDING THE SET UP....

I think Disney/FOX have to bare in mind, that Fans are going to expect Xenomorphs to a Degree, and the Set-Up and Motives of David do seem to point to him having only One Agenda as far as what he would Create... The Advent Viral even further pushing us towards that.

Not many fans are going to be aware to Ridley Scotts comments about AI and NOT being about the Xenomorph, and so by Virtue of Carrying the ALIEN Prefix... they are setting the Fans up for Disappointment, if the Plans do not keep some ALIEN connection as far as DNA of the Xenomorph and Engineers.

They have to find a Balance, but trying to Balance stuff out is a bit restrictive depending on the Running Time.  Alien Covenant is Testament to that, and why some Sacrifices had to be made (Engineer/Dr Shaw Screen time or Lack Of).

I Totally Agree about O'Bannon, we have to introduce some elements of his ideas that had not been used yet.  The Fresco in Prometheus could allude to something the Engineers Encountered that they then tried to exploit its Traits and Engineer a whole manner of Horrors from.

Alien Engineers it appears the Organism that infects Holloway fits the similar bill....  but these dont come across as Intelligent to me.... but some more Basic Xeno/Neo-Morph like Organism.

The Engineers just were not ALIEN enough to WOW Fans, and maybe they need to introduce another Species that could be used as a Origin to the Engineers Bio-Technology and Aesthetic of the Xenomorph and Derelict... introduce another Intelligent Species that is very ALIEN.  And maybe taking ideas of WHO the Starbeast Long Lost species where could be a Starting Point.

I wonder if the idea was that Davids Xenomorph, Merges with Davids Engineered Humans to Create Something that then Merges with David to become the Xenomorph in ALIEN is something they are considering?

For me this would make it all about David... and i think thats a mistake.

Looks like Siggy approves and Sir Ridley has offered financial assistance for an encore! check out daliens thread for updates http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/48630

It's going to happen!

I think regarding the Disappointment, i was referring mainly to Alien Covenants Disappointment and i think it came as a bit of a Shock to FOX as they felt with the more Direct Path to ALIEN and giving the Xenomorph Origins and introducing the Xenomorph they had expected that THIS would surely have more interest than Prometheus had done.

I think maybe with Prometheus, some fans had just lost interest in the direction taking and maybe decided to NOT bother with Alien Covenant.  As i also felt the Box Office would had been better, and its not like Loads had seen the Movie before and during its first few days of release and so having a BAD word going around would have been Unlikely to have affected the Box Office.

Thoughts_Dreams had also mentioned that a lot of Criticism for Prometheus was the Characters and some of the Choices they made, which indeed is True the execution of the Characters was not great, but saying that when was they any Good in a Alien Movie?  I think Alien 3 but after that there was not much Good Characters or uses for them..

But when Prometheus was being worked on, and the Trailers came out i think a lot of the Fans would have Expected the Movie to have had more Xenomorph Connections and Clues, not everyone was going to expect Eggs, Face Huggers and Xenomorphs running around like in Aliens or Alien Resurrection, but they certainly expected more than what we got in Prometheus, and the same was regarding any clues to the Eggs Origins.

I had studied the Trailers and kept up to date with the lead up to Prometheus and after i First Saw it even i thought it would have had more of a ALIENY vibe.  I did not expect to see actual Xenomorphs, or the Eggs getting on the Derelict, but i thought the clues to the connections would not be as VAGUE as what we got, and also i felt the Xenomorph Related Scenes were just not enough..  But i certainly was not expecting a ALIEN Movie.

But i expected more than we got, some would have expected even more and some would have wanted Xenomorphs and a Direct Answer to the Origins.

5 people i personally know who had seen Prometheus the First Time were Expecting MUCH more, 3 said HOW THE FECK does this connect to Alien?  2 saw connections but felt the movie was Misleading as far as Expectations and Trailer.

I think those at FOX had concluded that having a more ALIENY movie with Answers and Xenomorphs would have pleased Fans more, i think in Part Blomkamps Alien 5 leak had a lot to do with that, as it seemed Fans appeared to be more Excited about that rather than a Prometheus 2 to follow Dr Shaw and David to get her Answers.

I think this is WHY we ended up with Alien Covenant... but i agree that NOT having any Xenomorphs was not the Main Problem with Prometheus, having them would not have made a Good Movie if it was not well written or executed and Alien Covenant can stand Testament to that.

I think they are in a Pickle Now... because they may be thinking.... OK so we kept the Character that had the most Positive Comments about (David) we introduced the Xenomorph again, and are making a series of Prequels that will Steer to ALIEN rather than Steer Away.... what more do the Fans Want?

So yeah i think they are now having to ask many Questions.. trying to wonder what went so wrong!

Looking at a Prequel, Fans are expecting it to be a ALIEN Prequel Series, and what was ALIEN?  The Space Jockey and its Cargo.... The First Attempt was not enough Xenomorph or Cargo than was needed, in Hindsight, the second attempt was not enough about the Engineers/Space Jockey.

The Prequels were about Creation and Rebellion and Hubris in part.....  but it appeared that these are being played from the POV of David and so it appears that Foremost its a David's Journey...  where the Engineers and Xenomorph are just Background FLUFF!

Its set up to revolve around David, and i think thats ok but they cant OVERDO IT..  i feel this is something many more Fans are LESS interested in.

Your NEVER going to please every fan.... but i think where we are now as far as the Aftermath of Alien Covenant, i think its going to be very tricky to get back on track and please every kind of Fan.... or even come close.

After seeing your last post, dk, I changed my mind.

Mrs. Weaver sure looks like she can handle a couple of xenomorphs.

So, not against Ripley in a future Alien film.

Thanks again, dk.

They look pretty intense. 

Alone

Containment

Harvest

Night Shift

Ore

Specimen

Thanks dk.

I hope Ingeniero will grab some stills from it and post them here.

Can't watch the teaser.

Looks pretty good

Gotta love this:

Let me know how is the red band trailer. I can't see it, poor internet connection.

New red band teaser for the six shorts:

daliens PM sent

And the chances for all of us to see the play are real.

Bravo to Perfecto Cuervo, Steven Defendini and to all the the actors from Alien: The Play, whom you can see in Ingeniero's related thread here.

I don't think the faculty or students will sleep tonight. That is just beautiful!

Yes ,dk, especially this part:

"Scott Free will advance some financial help to fund an encore performance of Alien. How about your next TEAM production being Gladiator."

Ridley Scott is my hero.

daliens That is FANTASTIC!!!!

It doesn't get any better than this!

"Sigourney Weaver and Ridley Scott Share Praise for Students Who Recreated 'Alien' at School Play"

Quoted below from Comicbook.com:

"I saw a bit of your production of Alien, I just wanted to say, it looked incredible. You put so much heart and soul into that and the alien, I must say, looked very real, to me," Weaver shared on Twitter. "And I just wanted to send our compliments, not only from me,but from [Aliens director] James Cameron and the original screenwriter Walter Hill. We all say, 'Bravo, well done.' And, just one more thing, the alien might still be around, so when you're opening your locker, just do it very slowly."

Ridley Scott penned a letter posted by Deadline, that reads, "My hat comes off to all of you for your creativity, imagination, and determination to produce such an ambitious show. Limitations often produce the best results because imagination and determination can surpass any shortfalls and determine the way forward -- ALWAYS. Self-sufficiency is what this country was largely based upon with its immigrant population coming in to a New World and working TOGETHER."

The filmmaker went on to note that, not only was the experience creatively ambitious,but, with a budget far short of a Hollywood production, the play demonstrates that the future appears bright for all those who managed to pull it off.

"This is maybe the biggest lesson for ALL OF YOU, and your future plans -- stay with this determination, and this spirit in everything you do, and you will succeed -- let nothing put you off -- or set you back," the letter added. "Thanks for doing Alien, I felt very complimented. Scott Free will advance some financial help to fund an encore performance of Alien. How about your next TEAM production being Gladiator."

The film master's letter below, thanks to Deadline:

I think on the BROAD basis, i agree with the Franchise, the Xenomorph is ONLY a Part... and in terms of after the Franchise, with a Prequel i agree there should be something more than the Xenomorph... do something NEW.

Something like the Ultramorph! Aliens: Apocalypse - the Destroying Angels is masterpiece. This comic have a cool aliens and Mala'kak city. Plot - literally better than better than many films. And it have a dosed mythical themes in technology setting.

If you only watched the Movie and the Advent, then YES you could assume and it appears that this is Davids Objective....

However... when talking about the sequel Ridley Scott said it Would-Not be about the Xenomorph, it would be about AI and what KIND of a World David would Create/Build.

AND

If the Xenomorph was Created or Engineered it would also be a AI in terms of what RS was saying

Looks contradictory. But no, if it fits the idea of O'Bannon and Shusett about aliens as smart race. Good point.

FOX felt that having the Origins Answered and introducing the Xenomorphs is WHAT the Fans want... Hence RS and his "they want Aliens, i will give them Fricken Aliens" comment.

Yes, these words seem to be addressed to FOX, and not to fans. It doesn't matter - if they (FOX or Scott) listened to critics of Prometheus - why did they hear about aliens, but not about characters and strange behavior? Is it really harder to create a characters than alien?

For me it sounds like: "they want smart characters, i will not give them smart characters" LOL.

Back in early 2015 when i passed on information from the Source i had, i had mentioned that apparently the Engineers had Technology that could Tera-form Worlds and Affect the Climate and Weather and they hinted that they could use this Technology to HIDE Planets, well cause distortions that could mask a worlds Technology... so it was like Severe Storms could act as a Communication/Scanner Barrier.

So while such Technology helps to shape a World, it can also be used to Cloak it to a degree.

I think we kind of see Evidence of this with Planet 4.

In earlier drafts the World was Surrounded by a like Halo/Ring that was Technology that it was indicated would HIDE the Planet.

I don't think that a Hide Technology is a good explanation. I mean - HOW the Covenant crew could detect and scan the Planet 4? Shouldn't the Cloak technology work better in close proximity to the Planet 4? There is no point. And in my next topic I explain this and tell why Time-Travel can be possible as part of the plot of prequels.

seems RS had ideas where to take the Sequel, the Disappointing Box Office and Criticism may have made RS and his team have to go back to the Drawing Board and ask what went wrong and what would work next as far as MAKING Money.

In the first - "specific" behavior of the characters. They didn't see it after Prometheus - the main reason for criticism, not the absence of the Alien. And they give the characters of Covenant the same behavior.

Good point dk! ;)

Don't forget about the the lyrics to Country Roads- 

"Take me home to the place where I belong".

I don't think the song was there by accident. It seems to suggest something about origins.

@BigDave

It does appear that the Engineers had that capability when you consider what happened with the storm on LV-223, after the seal to/atmosphere of the ampule room was breached.

I was thinking more along the lines of the Covenant being thrown backwards in time, perhaps that could explain the more primitive nature of the Engineer population of Planet 4. Bit of an unsatisfactory stretch though!

Also David could have been lying or mistaken about how long he had been on the planet, he was pretty damaged before being patched up by Shaw & in need of decent maintenance.

The problem with that is how do you then work David & Shaw into the timeline, unless, by some convenient coincidence the same thing happened to their Juggernaut? Again, that is stretching things a bit too far to the point where the story gets messed up & not in a good way!

Well i would say IF he is working on any Project then we should know about it by the time Ridley Scotts TV Series Raised by Wolves and Merlin are Finished.

seems RS had ideas where to take the Sequel, the Disappointing Box Office and Criticism may have made RS and his team have to go back to the Drawing Board and ask what went wrong and what would work next as far as MAKING Money.

Once Disney Take over was going on, you CANT see FOX making commitment to the Project, until Take Over completed and with Disney... they would NOT want to rush into anything.

I would say Ridley Scotts Project was No Further than Blomkamps...  a Vision, Ideas, and Broad Plot Idea and Concepts/Ideas...  But then a case of getting the Green Light and Writers in to Flesh those Ideas into Drafts.

I would say Blomkamp had not got to far with the Writing Process, as he would have wanted to get the Pitch Done to FOX, i think with RS then added as Producer, they would have started to begin the Process of RS looking at Blomkamps ideas and changing things... before we would have got to ACTUAL Draft work being worked on and completed.  Who knows how FAR the Draft work had got... did they get a First Draft?  We do know that some Further Concept Work had been done and so the Ball seemed to be Rolling..

Meanwhile Prometheus 2 was having Problems, despite various Drafts, they had not had a Draft that maybe RS or FOX was happy with.

Then we got to a point, where RS and FOX decided to place Blomkamps Alien 5 on Hold and Concentrate on Completing Ridley Scotts Prequels.... well at least what become Alien Covenant first.

I think the Sequel (to AC) has been put on ice due to Backlash, Lackluster Box Office and Pending Disney Take Over.

I think IF there is a Project in the Works then surely we should find out within the Next 12-13 Months.

"Sorry BD but if you look at the core thing in the movies it was never about the Xeno, which your reply makes it sound like"

Respectfully i have to disagree... the Franchise was about the Xenomorph it was the THREAT that carried the Story, but this Story is NOTHING without the Human Characters who would be placed in Peril with being pitted against such a threat...

I kind of see what you mean, as a Xenomorph alone is NOT what the Franchise should be about, you also had it about Ripley Character... but then also about a Company who wished to obtain the Xenomorph and would go to any lengths and extreames to do so.  But for any Story to WORK there has to be Characters at the Center... 

So its like say Friday the 13th, while it was about JASON, it did not matter if he had a Hockey Mask or a Sack on his Head.. you could replace Jason with a Human Skin wearing, Chainsaw Wielding Nutcase (Texas Chainsaw Massacre Leather Face) as long as there is a THREAT thats all that counts and this THREAT will only work well depending on the Human Characters who are placed in Peril and HOW well they are Written and HOW much we can connect and Empathize for them.

With the ALIEN Franchise its a bit different...  take ALIENS.. if Alien 3  we had the Sulcao end up being ambushed by some Camerons Avatar looking Navi Arcturian's would that had gone down well?

I think on the BROAD basis, i agree with the Franchise, the Xenomorph is ONLY a Part... and in terms of after the Franchise, with a Prequel i agree there should be something more than the Xenomorph... do something NEW.

Some Fans HOWEVER.. expect Xenomorphs and Connections when i agree the Prequels did-not have to give us exactly the same Xenomorphs.... but now they are going for a Literal Prequel a movie that has started to show HOW/WHEN/WHY the Xenomorph came to be, and will END with showing HOW/WHEN/WHY those Eggs got on the Derelict, then its expected as a ALIEN prequel series that it now is, then the Xeno is expected...  

And trying to do something thats NOT about the Xenomorph, so trying to pull a Prometheus for a Alien Covenant Sequel would be a Distraction....

My  OPINION! i dont see why we had to go that route, i would rather had seen Prometheus expand to something NEW and maybe give us a few Xeno-like Monsters, but not give us or be about Traditional Xenomorphs.. the ENGINEERS and Who created them and WHAT else they created (aside from Xenomorphs) is where i would have liked to had seen the Prequels go, and Steer Away from ALIEN... but Alas... we cant all get what we want.  And i feel the direction of AC was a mistake!

Should the ALIEN Franchise be about the Xenomorph? prior to Prometheus i would say YES! but you have to change it a little...  The Prequels opened up the other Engineer Experiments and so could have allowed the Franchise to give more than just Xenomorphs!

Should the Franchise be about the Company and its persuit of the Xenomorph.... NOPE!  well kind of NO... if its as far as Company Wants Xenomorph... you cant keep repeating this... with the Prequels we could have Company wants Engineer Technology and Black Goo instead... but you DONT have to always have the Company Sends Humans to places where Xenomorphs are to Exploit/Obtain them... there are other ways Humans could Accidentally stumble on Xenomorphs or Engineers other Horrors without the Company Planning it.

Should the Franchise be about the Ripleys?  Simple NO and enough said... YES the First 4 movies but we dont need connections with EVERY other movie..

" I would guess that it would mainly be about David creating monsters"

If you only watched the Movie and the Advent, then YES you could assume and it appears that this is Davids Objective....

However... when talking about the sequel Ridley Scott said it Would-Not be about the Xenomorph, it would be about AI and what KIND of a World David would Create/Build.

"What I don’t like is that Scott seldom or never explains what he means about AI"

Again he has done but only if you look at his interviews, where he had said about AI and then said that the Replicants are AI....  so here he is referring to a CREATION that is Not Natural...  It is something Engineered and Artificially Created... which Does-Not mean its a Robot made from None Organic Material.

If the Xenomorph was Created or Engineered it would also be a AI in terms of what RS was saying, if we created a Hybrid Dinosaur from Engineering a Ostrich then again this is NOT Natural so its a Artificial Creation but its NOT a AI because its Not Intelligent...   if we Created a Hybrid Human/Ape that was Intelligent then this would be a AI unless its a case of Human Mates with Ape... if its done via Genome Mixing/Engineering then its a AI.

But i agree RS does appear Vague with Statements, so confusion often happens., sometimes you can Ponder if he is the one who is Confused lol

I agree that they need to Balance the Next Installment, it should not Focus on David but it should not Write/Kill him off.  Each Fan to their own, everyone has likes/dislikes.. You like Alien 3, and i know people who HATE! that movie because it Killed off Newt and Hicks lol. Some people dont like David or Alien Covenant because it Killed Dr Shaw off..

I am more concerned at what it did to our Engineers as THIS is what the Prequels should be about, but you would need to have Human or Humanoid Characters you can connect with.

With Prometheus a lot complained about the Characters and some Dumb Stuff!   But there was a fair bit of Backlash because the Prequel did not EXPLAIN the Origins of the Xenomorph or have enough clues and it did not have Xenomorphs or enough similar Monsters.

This is what FOX then felt was missing... and why they changed things...  but in doing any changes, it all would come down to Characters and Story and if its Good, Well Written and Executed.

FOX felt that having the Origins Answered and introducing the Xenomorphs is WHAT the Fans want... Hence RS and his "they want Aliens, i will give them Fricken Aliens" comment.

I think he wanted to do something else, hence some of his last comments where he said regarding Alien Covenant, that he was AHEAD of the Curve with Prometheus.

Franchises and Fanbase does cause Problems and you cant NEVER please Fans, you wont make a Movie that pleases everyone.

Even when Star Wars EP9 comes out, it likely WONT please every fan, each Fan will have likes/dislikes... and what ever they do with the ALIEN Franchise would be the same.

I have said it before, all they can do is TRY and rescue the Franchise, like they are trying with the New Star Wars... and for Alien Covenant to Alien... i think we need a After-Math like Movie!

Whatever David does for the next 5-8 years is NOT likely going to please Fans, some may like the ideas RS maybe had, some wont... i think you need to build off them but come back to AFTER David has Created what ever he does, and the Point when  incoming Humans or Engineers Arrive and things GO TO POT..

ALIEN  year 2122

Alien Covenants Ending 2105

The 17 years between is something that i feel we dont need to see apart from say 5 years before ALIEN

Alien Covenant was like a Sequel to Prometheus 2 where they By-Passed Prometheus 2 and so what we need to do is not a Alien Covenant 2.... but a Alien Covenant 3 or Alien Covenant 2.5 and By-Pass a lot.

Most Fans are going to want to know WHEN the Xenomorphs get to become those that END up on the Derelict... some may hope for a Explanation that shows Davids Xenomorphs are NOT on the Derelict.

Some Fans would want to see the Engineers Return!

I feel most are not interested in David apart from finding out IF he does end up being the Creator or Not of the Xenomorph, and then be done with him.

I dont think most Fans are like... oh i we need mainly Good Human Characters... they would want other stuff but expect that the movie would need Improved Human Characters to work.

For example....

David kills all the Crew/Humans sets a Signal and other Human Ship with Good Characters Arrive and they Land on Origae-6 and Discover..

*NOTHING.. the Covenant is Destroyed... but the Planet does have some Native 12 Foot Space Lions, who Hunt Humans down!

*David Lands but he and the Colonist are killed by Predators, and they wait for more Prey to Hunt!

*David builds about 20 Walters, kills Humans and waits for other Humans to turn up and have to Fight to Survive against Synthetics.

*The Covenant and Colonist Die... David Raises the Embryos as Normal Children they they KILL him and become Feral and the incoming Humans arrive and Face some Aggressive Humans..

*Covenant Crashes, Kills David and Black Goo infects some Humans who become Zombie Fifields, KILL rest of the Crew and we have like Mutant Humans, who then become the threat to the incoming Humans.

We need Human Characters in Peril... but we also need a THREAT that is Good, and Fits within the ALIEN Franchise...

As a ALIEN Prequel it would be expected this THREAT is very connected to the Xenomorph or leads to it eventually.

I believe Disney wants to recoup some of their money thru using the Alien universe.  Not making movies won't make back a lot of money.  They need to hire good writers and explore more of the universe.  I liked Prometheus and AC even though they could have been better but I'm hopeful that we get one more film to close the story arc and then Disney can cut loose on a new story line.  

@Lone

Indeed that is a good question, HOW did they miss this System/Planet?

Back in early 2015 when i passed on information from the Source i had, i had mentioned that apparently the Engineers had Technology that could Tera-form Worlds and Affect the Climate and Weather and they hinted that they could use this Technology to HIDE Planets, well cause distortions that could mask a worlds Technology... so it was like Severe Storms could act as a Communication/Scanner Barrier.

So while such Technology helps to shape a World, it can also be used to Cloak it to a degree.

I think we kind of see Evidence of this with Planet 4.

In earlier drafts the World was Surrounded by a like Halo/Ring that was Technology that it was indicated would HIDE the Planet.

I think when it comes down to the Neutrino Burst that Damaged the Ship, the Neutrinos would NOT do this but the Shockwave from a Event that would Produce the Neutrinos would so some ATOMIC Event had occurred within so many Light Years from the Covenant..  The Birth or Destruction of a Star or some Massive Energy Release by a Star or something that would have similar Atomic Energy

Could such a Event had knocked the Covenant through a Tear in Space and Produced a Alternative Time-Line?

Maybe... but i am not so sure such a Event would have affected David/Shaw too because we can assume they had been on Planet 4 for 9-10 years prior.

But as FAR as placing the Covenant in a Future timeline.. maybe... But i think we still run into the Problem of how would this effect Planet 4 too... as it was 7 weeks away from the Covenant, so if the EVENT had thrown the Covenant into the Future, we have to ask would its Radius Reach Planet 4 and throw that into the Future too?

So at that Moment David had been on Planet 4 for 10 years, the Covenant had left Earth for about 1 Year... but this Event then THRONE both Planet 4 and the Covenant like 10, 20, 50, 100, 200 or so years into the Future? 

Maybe that could work!

AHH Yes! It's possible!

Guys, I just thought of something....

Planet 4 never showed up on any scans until after the Neutrino burst. Is that a clue or even proof that the burst caused the Covenant to travel to another point in time & space?

Ricks: It appears to be a main sequence star, a lot like our own, but old...very old.

Daniels: How did we miss this we scanned the entire sector?

@Gavin & Chris

As you guys no doubt realise, in the past I've been guilty of jumping on any nugget of info & getting carried away. With hindsight I have learned to be a tad more cautious!

As you say Chris, Deadline may well be privy to select intel. Ridley really needs to finish the story, whether it be good, bad or indifferent. Then Jim Cameron, Neil Blomkamp, whoever, can continue the Alien Franchise. 

For now, I'll remain cautiously optimistic ;)  

Lone said "what's the difference between Ripley being in cryosleep for 57 years set against travelling forward in time 57 years?"

I am not a fan of time travel for this franchise but you make a good point here and could agree as long as time travel could only be forward. 

"Could ORIGAE 6 actually be a "Pre-Historic/Ancient" LV-223 in its prime developing civilization phase or even LV-426 during its  developing times of the past"

This has been speculated before, but i would say 100% No, by Virtue that Origae-6 is  about 8X Further from Earth than Planet 4 was and Planet 4 appeared to be within Close Proximity to the Zeta 2 System.  So i would speculate that Origae-6 would also be 7-8X Further away than LV-426.

@Chris

I think using the Neutrino Burst as a way to open up the Potential for Paradoxes/Multi-Verses and Time-Travel could WORK... its not something i would be a Fan of though!

But if we consider what a Neutrino Burst is, these types of Activity are NOT limited to a Super Nova... they can be detected from other Nuclear Activity that is happening in a STAR.  And so any other means to Produce the Energy on a Atomic Scale that a STAR has could produce Neutrino Waves too.

This could open up the Potential of a Energy Weapon/Technology that the Engineers or their Creators would use to Create STARS as some of Ridley Scotts comments seemed to be pointing to more than these Engineers just find Worlds that are Pre-Existing Rocks and then they attempt to Tera-form them.

@Leto

I think its a interesting idea, and i understand some Sci-Fi ideas like Paradoxes are Interesting, i am not a Fan of these being applied to the Alien Franchise, but if done in a interesting way, i would be open to it... and its a case of what would the Majority of Fans like.

I think when looking at my Topic, and Speculating what David would create, then i think indeed what if he Created some Evolved Humanoids that are NOT too far off our Engineers, not saying he created them...  but certainly seeing him Re-Create something similar... 

I think its interesting to see WHY he would do this, and what does he Teach those beings, about their Origins and Religion etc... does he opening tell them they were Human Embryos that he had Ascended to the Next Level of Evolution are are Superior to the Unworthy Race that Humans are?  Does he tell them about Humanity, does he paint them as Barbaric and a Threat... so does he have a Army of these Humanoids who are prepared to defend their world against Humans and Engineers, or are they brought up to be used for the Purpose of WAR against Humanity?

Or does he tell them NOTHING about Mankind, and Proclaim that he is their Creator and their is NO other Creator but HIM?   But for a Species who would Worship David and see him as their God/Leader, we then could ask things like.

What is the potential these beings see themselves as Superior to David and would refuse to accept him/serve him like he had with Mankind?

What happens when Humans or Engineers turn up and the Revelation that David has HELD their True Origins and his own from them?

These are ALL very interesting, but the Problem would be that they would be a bit of a Distraction from ALIEN, because Fans would want to get to the Bottom of the Xenomorph Origins, and WHEN/HOW the Eggs get on the Derelict, and would want to see the Engineers more than David and his World of Evolved Humans...

The expectation is there... and for this you cant blame any Fans because a ALIEN Prefix Prequel has set up to introduce the Xenomorph, and so it HAS to be introduced and i feel it WOULD be introduced... its case of would Fans want to have to have 2 hours before we get to see the Xenomorph Return?

So you have to have a Balancing Act to have such a Plot like this, but also have the Xenomorph Involved... and so any Movie Next would have to have the Xenomorph involved to some degree, and set up a more Heavily Involved Presence in the sequels.

If most Fans wont sit through a movie that has nothing to do with Xenomorphs, if this Disappoints, then its a Hard Push to commit to a continuation..   By Virtue of teasing a Direct Prequel route, you HAVE to have the Xenomorph play a role.

But as far as what you propose Leto... that David Creates the Engineers, in a way thats interesting Curve-ball, in another way it would maybe make the Creation of Engineers being about David, similar to how UN-ALIEN the creation of the Xenomorph was by David.

I would prefer David had Re-Created/Evolved his own Xenomorph, and David Re-Creates/Evolves his own Humanoid Super Humanoids....

Potentially say the Engineers Creators Return and use their Xenomorph and themselves vs Davids Xenomorph and Enhanced Children could be that WAR OF THE WORLDS that Ridley Scott hinted at.

Mankind are Powerless in this... but after these Races Destroy Each other.... Mankind Decide to Obtain the Weapons (Xenomorphs) for themselves could open up the whole Back Story to ALIEN and Special Order 937

But none the less Paradoxes and Ideas provided in this Topic are very imaginative and i applaud that.

I have not seen this yet... but its nice to see they made a Good Effort and Especially from a Generation was not around 30-40 years ago...

There is a interest in the Franchise, there always will be...

And while we can applaud the Effort, i think when we are talking about any Real Prospect of Exploring a Disney/Fox funded Project then the Budget is a Problem, its a Risk to commit a Large $100M or more Budget, and yet you are limited with a $50M or less Budget as far as Certain Special Effects.

But it will be interesting to see what those Soon to be released ALIEN Short movies will be like and what kinds of Budgets they have, but have to bare in mind these would be what? 10 Minute Shorts?

So making anything thats going to be 3-4 hours be it Two Movies or Split into 4-6 Episodes would depend on Budget as far as Quality we end up with.

But i think its still interesting to see some Fan-Made, Low Budget attempts.  And Appreciate them for what they are and consider the Budget Restraints.

I think the PREQUELS are a whole different Story... you are LIMITED to how you explore them...

A Prequel that Focuses on the Weyland-Yutani Company, would not be Interesting Enough on its own, there would be expected to be some ALIEN Connection as far as AT-LEAST the Xenomorph.

Special Order 937 would have been a avenue as the Company had some idea about the Xenomorph before the Nostromo Crew had been sent to LV-426.  The Question would be HOW and WHAT did they know and this could have evolved a prior Discovery/Mission to LV-426 and the Derelict and maybe Explain the ACID Hole, but leave the Derelict Crash as something Ancient and a Mystery.

They could have explored a Outpost connected to the Derelict like LV-223 where some clues could have been given regarding the Origins of the Xenomorph and Date of the Space Jockey/Derelict event and have this Movie/Franchise END with the Destruction of LV-223 but the company discover the location of LV-426 as a avenue to obtain the Specimen Elsewhere... 

Both Prequel ideas could have explained Special Order 937 and gave some insight to the Space Jockey Event and Origins of the Xenomorph while also being a ALIEN like Movie with Xenomorphs.

But the other ASPECT of ALIEN that was not Answered was WHO the Space Jockey was... and maybe WHY he had that Cargo... which is another Avenue to look at that has NEVER been covered in the Franchise, as we had seen Xenomorphs before and the only things that we Did-Not know was.

*Where do the Eggs come from?

*How does a Queen Come about?

*What Connection/Purpose does the Space Jockey have with them?

*How did Special Order 937 come about?

But then when we try to answer those things we have to BARE in Mind the Derelict was supposed to be there for Thousands of Years and so it would be only via Clues, Flash Backs and Information Left/Obtained from the Derelict that would give us a Answer to those Questions... UNLESS you are going to Set a Movie that is set Thousands of Years ago.. but how do HUMANS come into play?  OR if you have it that the Derelict Event happened much more Recently and after Humans Discovered some World the Derelict then leaves.

But another Aspect Never explored would be WHO the Space Jockey race was and their Purpose.

*Who was the Space Jockey, its Race?

*Why did they have that Cargo/Bio-Weapon?

*What Conflicts were they involved in?

*Where do they come from?

*Where are they Now?

And so again its a Question of HOW do you discover these Beings, do you have a Movie Set Thousands of Years ago?   Do the Humans come into Contact with their Species, and the Potential Plot Holes this Raises as far as NEVER having any Interactions with them at the Time of the ALIEN Franchise.

Or does a Prequel come across a Ancient Ship, or a where the Ship came from and make discoveries/answers via any Information/Clues this Race had left behind, or any Recordings on their Ships/Outposts?   And having it that only ONE or a Few of their Species is Alive but in Cryo-sleep like we had in Prometheus.

THIS would have been the way to go and explain the Origins, which is what the Prequels attempted but they did it in a too vague way....

Once you answer those Questions...  and Lesson the Mystery, its then a case of what NEXT for the Space Jockey as far as exploring them in Future... where would we discover more of them, and what implications would it be to run into this Race in Future?

This is where the Prequels introduced the Creators/Would Be Gods Plot... as a way to OPEN up the Franchise to expand in a lot of ways, rather than having Discover the Space Jockey was a unconnected ALIEN Race who had taken the Eggs to USE in some Ancient War that Mankind is NO part of...

Its then WHO was they at Conflict with and WHERE is this other Race etc....

So the Prometheus Plot was a way to introduce a Back Story about these would be Gods, and opened up a HUGE possibility of HOW many Worlds had they interacted with, HOW many other Races are their in the Galaxy etc.

The Question is would having the Space Jockey/Engineers being NEVER involved with Mankind, and just at Conflict with each other FAR FAR away or another Species had been a better way to go?   I guess its HOW do you expand upon the Space Jockey/Conflicts in Future Movies.

"I speculate that maybe there was more than ONE of these Emissaries sent down, and NOT every Culture/Continent had KILLED their Emissaries, and i feel this would explain why some of the Star Maps were from Cultures that had been around AFTER the 2000 years ago Death of Christ and Engineers Attempted Destruction of Earth."

Correct BigDave, map below.

Excellent topic and poster Decs.